endorsed a candidate, but it has not been neutral in this race. >> appreciate that. thanks. the news continues. i want to hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." >> thanks, anderson. nice to see you. i'm laura coates and this is "cnn tonight" on a huge breaking news night. the u.s. has now killed the world's top terror target more than 20 years after 9/11. the hunt for bin laden's number two is now over. al qaeda leader ayeman al zawahiri was killed in kabul. president biden addressed the nation with details earlier this evening. >> justice has been delivered, and this terrorist leader is no more. after carefully considering the clear and convincing evidence of his location, i authorized the precision strike that would remove him from the battlefield once and for all. one week ago, after being advised that the conditions were optimal, i gave the final approval to go get him.

>> biden described al zawahiri as a terrorist who, quote, carved a trail, unquote of violence against u.s. citizens, reminding he was the mastermind of the attack of the uss cole. the fbi just updated its terrorist status for al zawahiri with the word "deceased." al zawahiri was killed in a precise strike on the balcony of a safe house with two hell fire missiles according to a u.s. official. no american personnel were on the ground in kabul at the time of the strike. no civilian casualties either according to the president. the death of al zawahiri comes 11 years after u.s. forces masterfully took out osama bin laden, who was hiding in pakistan at the time. here's what president biden says about just how long this strike

took. >> we make it clear again tonight that no matter how long it takes, no matter where you hide, if you are a threat to our people, the united states the find you and take you out. >> joining me now to discuss this huge news is richard clark. new yorker staff writer, dexter fill kins who won a pulitzer prize for his reporting on afghanistan when he was working for the "new york times." gentlemen, nice to see both of you today. let me begin with you, if i can, dexter. i mean, it's pretty unbelievable to think about where we are today 11 years later at the very least and nearly 20 years since 9/11 to now have the death of this top terrorist leader. you've written about this. you've studied the area. you've written about afghanistan in particular.

tell me why this is so significant. >> well, a man al zawahiri was still an inspiration to the group. i want to say what struck me about this strike was he was killed -- you called it a safe house. in a neighborhood in kabul called share pole. it's probably the nicest neighborhood in kabul. big grandiose houses. it's where all the drug dealers live. and he was in a house that was apparently owned by aides to the taliban interior minister and a first class terrorist himself. so, there we have it. i mean, the taliban, when the united states agreed to pull out, the taliban agreed not to harbor terrorists in their midst. and here we are. they have the most wanted man in the world who was living in a

very nice house. i mean, i worked for the "new york times." the house where he was was just a few blocks away. so, he's right, you know, their honored guest. so, i think so much for the peace agreement. >> richard, i want to go to you. the idea that hiding in plain sight, essentially, the idea of him being in kabul in particular. tell me the significance of now having killed this number two man of osama bin laden. >> it took us almost 25 ayears to do it. he first appeared on a hit list authorized by an american president in 1999, and we're just getting him now. so, it's good that this current counterterrorism team was able to do this. but it's remarkable it took the great super power almost a quarter of a century to do this. >> what do you make of the reason? why do you think it took so long to do that? was it lack of intelligence? was it a political reason?

what is the reason? >> well, at different periods of time, different reasons. i think during the george w. bush administration, it was not the priority. but the significance of this hit is, as dexter said, it's evidence that the taliban regime that is now running afghanistan is corroborating with al qaeda. the number of al qaeda fighters in afghanistan has doubled in the last year according to a recent u.n. report. so, it's clear that al qaeda was trying to make a come back, still trying to make a come back, and that they were doing so with the support of the interior minister haqqani, who is a known terrorist himself. so, for all of the pledges that we've had from the taliban that they wouldn't be like their old selves, well that all turns out to be horse pucky. and they are backing a terrorist

organization, and we can expect tem had to continue to. >> well, on that point, i see you chuckling, dexter. i know it's because you obviously agree. but you think about it, the american people watching and thinking about the why now and the idea of these pledges and these agreements really being it seems like a fool's errand at this point, or disingenuous at the least, what does this say about surt of americans right now? >> if you go back to the agreement that was signed by the taliban, negotiated by the united states, negotiations begun by the trump administration, completed by the biden administration. i spent a lot of time with the taliban when they were negotiating the agreement. i don't know how many people outside of the trump and the biden administration actually believed the promises of the taliban at that time, that they would not harbor terrorists. but i certainly didn't. and it was absolutely apparent to me that they were simply biding time and saying whatever

they needed to say because they knew the united states wanted to leave. so, that's kind of -- that's kind of the place where we find us now. the united states was able to conduct a drone strike today. but we don't have any people on the ground or any kind of intelligence assets on the ground. >> is that promising in the sense? i mean, is it promising in the sense that president biden said that he was going to pull out? obviously there was a lot of controversy surrounding that. the idea no civilians, he says, have been harmed. there's no military presence or boots on the ground, and yet they were able to accomplish that. is that validating, in a way, what president biden sought to do, or is this an indication far more concerning? >> well, it's validating for now. but let's see. let's see. i mean, it's hard to -- i mean, richard knows this far better than i do. it's hard to run an intelligence network if you don't have anyone on the ground. >> richard, when you think about that notion, you have spoken about this issue, been very

outspoken about it and the concerns even before 9/11, i might add. i wonder, when you look at this, is this essentially the idea of another person will be able to rise up in the ranks? there may have been the elimination of this one person, but as you both are describing, the idea of these agreements that were not really truly agreemented going to be abided by, the idea of it happening in kabul in particular, are you concerned about the idea of somebody else being able to just step into the role right now? >> i'm more concerned about the hundreds if not thousands of al quaeda terrorists scattered around in small camps throughout afghanistan. it's one thing to find the leader. you can usually do that with a lot of effort. and you can usually be able to take them out at some point. how do you take out 1,200, 24 hunter rhyss who are scattered around in small groups, whose names we don't know because we don't have people there on the

ground. we should have kept a small counter terrorist force in afghanistan, and we didn't. some of us said if we pulled out there would be a recrew december ens of the terrorist groups. that's happened. and it's also, by the way, happening in syria, where isis detainee -- and there are tens of thousands -- are still organized. they're in camps. they're under guard. but they're still there too. so, the story here on counterterrorism is it's not 1990s news. it's not over. it's never over. you cannot take your eye off the ball. and if you don't continue to do what the biden administration did over the weekend, they will come for us. >> continue to do in terms of identifying other known terrorists and taking them out as well? you're saying there's an existing list that must be marched through? >> we have to do everything we

can, including taking out leadership. that's not all we can do. we have to have a robust program. and it can't just be a program of violence. it has to be a program of counterterrorism ideology as well. ideology is the way you win this in the long run, and this is a long game. >> thank you both so much. the killing of zawahiri a big victory for president biden, frankly at a time of political turmoil. so, what could this mean not only for him but also his party 99 days ahead of the midterms? politics always finds a way back into the conversation. we'll be right back. ♪ my name is austin james. as a musician living wiwith diabetes, fingersticks can be a real challenge. that's why i use the freestyle libre 2 system. with a painless, one-second sca i know my glucose mbers without fingersticks.

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while we're still learning details about the u.s. military strike that killed the most wanted terrorist in the world, we know these type of strikes can actually help a president's popularity. as odd as that sounds to even say and think about. polling in 2011, for example saw a majority of americans gave donald trump credit for the death of al baghdadi. and obama saw a six point pump after the death of osama bin laden. we'll see what the death of al zawahiri does for biden's numbers. between falling gas prices, a bipartisan win to boost production of semiconductors, and now an apparent deal in the senate to fight climate change and lower drug prices. i'm joined now by cnn political commentator and political anchor errol lewis, and jonah goldberg.

you're all commentators. you know everything you talk about today. i have to ask, first of all there's kind of an ick factor when i say the idea of how will this boost approval ratings. i mean, we're talking about -- it's still a loss of life, albeit one which is a terrorist. but we do gauge and judge this in this way, do we not, the idea of what will this do because he's the commander in chief. will this give him a rally around the flag sort of moment? what do you think? >> the rally around the president phenomenon is real. it exists in polling. one might say too soon. but here we are. and i think that's sort of the world we live in these days. i suspect that it will be hard to disaggregate from all the other -- this is the best week, ten days of the biden presidency arguably just in terms of the wins he's wracked up. it would be hard to disentangle this from all these other

things. there are a lot of legitimate questions still to be asked about why was the head of al quaeda welcomed to live in downtown kabul, for example. >> we called it a safe house. one of our guests said, no, no to, no -- it wasn't in the oblivion. you're talking about the heart of an area. it feels too soon and yet this is how politics works, right? the idea of poller coaster, number one, also the commander in chief factor. but there is still that moment of, is that how we ought to be judging things? >> laura, to your point, the moral side of things, we should not aspire to live in a society where we celebrate or give a president a bump in the polls for the loss of any life. and i do think that there's -- it's worth thinking about that for a moment. and at the same time, one of the moments where president biden's presidency started to go south was the pull out of afghanistan. >> that's true. >> and the worry that people had was that this was going to make

americans less safe, considering the past 20 years. whether or not that's founded on basis, who knows? but this does feel like he's going back and trying to correct that. the other part of this is that it does come on a week, maybe two weeks of momentum. whether it's the inflation reduction act or it's the fact that, you know, we're seeing some pick up in terms of where we think things are going to go in midterms. so, building on that momentum valely important. >> the squeamishness i think is appropriate. but warriors make war. this is the business. >> sure. >> this is what you have to do as commander in chief. president eisenhower helped save the world from western democracy and was elevated to the presidency as a result. i thought it was really telling during his address that the president talked not just about 9/11 but talked about the uss cole, talked about the attacks on the em bassy in kenya and tanzania. this is a long time project of

the united states to defend our borders, to defend our people, to take the war to those who had attacked us. and i think we should be grateful that it did happen. politics aside. >> but i must say -- i mean, i have to say -- maybe it's just me. but i'm a little concerned that this happened now, not because i don't think the president did wrong or anything, but the idea of -- did you feel that we were unsafe enough to have -- osama bin laden was that overarching looming threat. when you hear about somebody being taken out in this matter, my immediate concern goes to were we in danger national security wise, number one? are we in danger again, given the fact of the pullout of afghanistan, given the fact of other domestic issues -- shall we say domestic and foreign terrorists. you've seen that play out. does that concern you? will that hit home for people

talking about national security? >> personally i think zawahiri had to go. this is the guy going back to the cole, he has a lot of american blood on his hands. politically people can second guess it. they question convenient timing and all of that. that's one of the reasons you have to ask questions. did we know he was there for a long time and he picked this time or not? i give him the benefit of the doubt. i think they had the opportunity. he took it. >> i don't question his timing -- i mean, i don't question the idea of it was calculated politically. i guess, my point is, does this now raise concerns that americans now have about national security more broadly as opposed to the ideas of it was the economy overarchingly, it's obviously the pandemic, things with jobs and other creations. the fact this has now happened, does this now make people say, hold on, were we not safe in the first place? >> the worry i have on this is the war on terror has been a drum any president can go back

to and beat any time things get tough. and i hate to see this president, who closed the door on the war on terror, go back and beat the war on terror drum. it does create this psychology, is the president keeping me safe? and the only person you can turn to is the president? i worry we're impugning that psychology of the war on terror. and the down side of that psychology is it has created, it's transmuted -- we saw john bolton talking about the coup d'etat he helped to plan. >> that was a bizarre moment. i was like, wait, we're going to overlook that? let's go back for a second, jake. go ahead. >> but the fact is we had an attempted coup d'etat here in the united states. so, i worry about what the long term consequences of continuing to go back to this war on terror psychology that you are not safe, you have to be worried, that there is something lurking right there -- >> again, if you want to unite a

country, the sad thing is, the us versus thems, that seems to work. >> something we do need to know is a lot more details. why was he hanging out in downtown kabul? what did the taliban do? did they provide intelligence maybe quietly? did they not know about this? what does this mean diplomatically? there are a lot of really important questions here. for the president to, number one, take action, they have this intelligence. imagine what a scandal it would be if they knew where he was and failed to take action. that would take us back to the uss cole. >> they had a model home. they've known for some time. you mean outside the preparatory period, right? >> sure. i think they need to be transparent and level with the american people about what is going on in afghanistan now. you're raising exactly right to question. is there some growing threat out there? did our withdrawal sort of open the door to some real problems? or do we have maybe a quiet understanding what the taliban

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so, what if i told you that there was a time when you could stand up for what you believe in no matter the personal or professional consequences and not become a political pariah. and still be thought of as a team player and still win in the end? i mean win repeatedly. you'd say, you vaguely saw that somewhere in a movie at one

point in time. only it was real. and the man who did it was larger than life. at 610 bill russell was a man who played basketball, but a man, a human being first. not more worried about playing games or winning or not losing his fan base than doing what was right. but as much as 11 champions -- 11 mind you -- with the boston celtics and the historic marker of being the first black head coach of i think any major team, before he was inducted into the hall of fame, bill russell was a man who defended muhammad ali's refusal to be drafted. he would go on to march on washington for jobs and freedom. he would sit in the very first

row watching dr. martin luther king's "i have a dream" speech. he refused to sit back and take racism. >> i told ray we were leaving. i said, it's important to me that everybody everywhere knows that the black players society, they stand up for themselves. >> he knew the power of sports to shine a spotlight even in the areas where some wanted tus to look away. and he would spend his life standing up for those he saw as doing the right thing. his his stardom did not shield him from criticism, but his fight for equality on earth would earn him the presidential medal of freedom. and in another arena, not honor, possibility of dignified treatment of black women in a world where no man had known

before. nischelle nickels, one of the first black women cast as a main character on television, depicted not as a ter istereoty. before we even get to her work recruiting women of color into the space program, it's an impact that may have been cut short if not for a chance encounter with somebody, well, who bill russell also knew. >> the organizer came over and said, ms. nichols, how are you and da, da, da. he said, listen, there's someone here who said he is your biggest fan, and he's looking cheruby, you know. and he's desperate to meet you. dr. martin luther king, my leader is walking toward me, not ten feet away, with a beautiful smile on his face. i said, well, i'm leaving "star

trek." he said, you cannot. he said, for the first time on television, we will be seen as we should be seen every day, as intelligent, quality, beautiful, people who can sing, dance, and who can go into space. >> wonder why i'm a treky, people? but she herself would find herself in controversy when she was a part of that kiss, that first interracial kiss on television. even science fiction would not shield her from criticism there, nor captain kirk. but she used her platform to illustrate what could be and did so on unapologetically. now, maybe one of the reasons this feels so foreign to us now is because of how we think about politics these days. where are those on the national stage willing to do what is right, even in the face of

political backlash? yes, there are some. but are we past the point where we can see past the team they played for to acknowledge one simple truth, that right is right and wrong is wrong? is there any world here or beyond where we can expect this to happen? i mean, look at what's in the news, when it all becomes about one side against the other. where are the heroes that can make us see past our political spectrum? maybe we are those people. i've heard names recently like mike pence and liz cheney and cassidy hutchinson thrown out as our modern-day heroes. and i wonder if you think that they are. after all, the right attacks them as traitors, while the left insists on a purity that may no longer be reasonable. how dare you compliment or dare to compartmentalize. it's either all bad or all good. millions of people watched ms.

nichols fly through fictional space under the banner of star fleet. russell wore the green and white of the boston celtics. but their heroism was not defined by the uniforms they wore. as we mark their passing, i'm wondering, can we see past the red or the blue or the r or the d and see any modern hero who is simply can say, right is right? much more in a moment. thoughts around the table on russell. and by the way, who is the russell of today, when "cnn tonight" continues. by the way, i'm obviously uhura. so, that's obviously settled. thank you. we'll be right back. the unknown is not empty. it's a storm that crashes, and consumes, replacing thought with worry.

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player. obviously i'm 5'3". i'm a little bit jaded. i'm jealous of a 6'10" person. wha who is the notion of a bill russell who is unapologetically standing up and not getting creamed for that, not vilified and made into a pariah. do we have that person any longer? >> i'm going to say in their time they didn't have twitter. unfortunately what feeds these algorithms is the ability to create all or nothing and then dissect this into camps around all or nothing. >> the us versus thems. >> the us versus thems. and you can find yourselves on both sides. the other piece of that is a lot of these folks, especially in politics, even at that time, never achieved hero status until well after their time. it's hard because what makes them heroes is they stood up against criticism. there was criticism in their time even with nischelle

nichols. i want to lift up two folks, serena williams. what doesn't get talked about is her work on maternal mortality, particularly black maternal mortality. and it came after her own experience not being diagnosed with what could have been a lethal pulmonary em bo list when she was delivering. she's done so much work as an advocate to take on this issue. and another is jose andres, someone who made his work as a restaurateur. but realized he had the opportunity to feed the world. and he's been doing that. so, we have those people. i think to ask for them to be in our politics in this particular moment of polarization is tough. and i do hope that 30 years from now, we can look back at this moment and say here were the folks who really stood up. here were the heros in our politics. >> it's a great thought. how often do we hear the phrase, history will judge us. how will history view you?

i often wonder whether that have any persuasive value to people, especially in politics. the idea -- it means you have to have shame, right? i'm going to be so embarrassed and scared that i might be judged badly today, that i'm not going to do today what i want to do. but i don't think that shame is that motivated, galvanizing factor for people they think about as how can i become that next great hero. >> well, shame is the stick. but you have to keep in mind that the carrot that bill russell would never have imagined, these multi-year, $100 million contracts, where the players who might even consider stepping out on a limb on any issue, whether it's something like, you know, maternal mortality or trying to champion the cause or god forbid get involved in something that might be controversial and cost them, cause them some problems. to turn down $100 million, $200 million, to turn down these multi-year contracts. some of these are kids that

didn't finish or never really went to college, it becomes a different kind of equation. and it's terrible to say it. but one wonders, you know, if you put it out there, would bill russell have been the same? first of all, magnificent player in a way that's just not even -- even michael jordan never won eight championships in a row. they dominated, you know, all of sports really for an entire decade. unheard of. almost inconceivable at noint. but, you know, my sense is that that is what's keeping so many really talented cultural figures, especially in sports, from taking the chance. there's just a lot more at stake. >> i think your point was a good one. there's a little bit of the sort of nostalgia problem here. and we have this gauzey memory of these people. bill russell paid a price for what he did. arthur ashe, lots of people. it's a sign of their success that we think back on these are

cultural, mt. rushmore-type figures. and it's difficult to know in the moment who those kinds of people are in part because -- i think the twitter point or the social media point is a good one. the incentive structure we have today, it values being performative over integrity. it values -- it rewards people for how many -- negative attention is better than no attention. you saw that in the white house for four years. we see that in all sorts of other places. and if you can get a big following and if you can get the right people to hate you, that helps you. and so people pick fights in an era of negative polarization to attract allies to their side. ted cruz does this, aoc does this, lots of politicians do this. i think one of the problems we have is it's difficult to ask politicians to be heroes when the incentive structure says we want them to be celebrities and perform. >> also the idea of a hero. let's be real here. we're calling people heroes who follow the law -- right? it's like that chris rock

episode or the skit he's talking about, i'm a good father. i take care of my kids. you're supposed to do that. what do you mean? you didn't have the backing and the law to try to undermine the election. you weren't supposed to overturn it. you were called to testify in front of congress. you were supposed to do that. you showed up. these were these moments -- congresswoman liz cheney. listen to what the wyoming voters had to say about her. this is somebody, what did she do to gain this hero title, was the idea of the election was fair. she's a very -- a voter who voted in line with trump policies more often than not. hear what the voter had to say about it, though. >> look at how she's done trump. she's supposed to be supporting him. she's a republican for crying out loud. >> i find her work on the january 6th committee just repulsive. she has been an embarrassment. it's a witch hunt. >> you know, the only response to, she's a republican, is she's an american. and in america, we have a democracy that one has to uphold because, well, all of them took

an oath to it. to the point about sports though for a second, right, you talked about putting those multimillion dollars on the line. that's exactly what colin kaepernick did when he decided to take a knee. and he lost his opportunity to continue to play football. he was black balled from the nfl. and he took a stand on the issue that the world came around on after the murder of george floyd. so, i would argue he is a hero. he's been vilified on the right. and the reality of it is that i think 30 years from now, i think history will smile kindly on him and what he did and what he stood for. but he's not necessarily getting the praise in this moment and he put it on the line. ali had the opportunity to come back. that's not the case for kaepernick. at least it doesn't look like. heroism isn't something you do and go back home and wake up the next morning. >> the kaepernick example is perfect because it gives people a taste of what it was like to

be muhammad ali or martin luther king. >> or the olympians on the podium who held up their fists. >> that's right. >> they were not revered in time. they often speak about how badly they were treated in those moments. but you're onto something, the idea of how history judges and where the here and now comes into play. i will note, though, one of the most memorable instagram posts that i've seen was of bill russell. and he was kneeling with the presidential medal of freedom around his neck, praising the athlete that dared to take a knee like the kaepernicks, like the milwaukee bucs as well. stay with us, everyone. we'll be right back. ahead, we'll unpack that video apology to actor will smith to chris rock. i said chris rock's name and now we're going to talk about it -- after that stunning slap at the oscars. we'll take it around the table for our own analysis next. th tht just by having a clean driving record for three yearars. get a whole lot of something with farmemers policy perks.

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he has of course 23 of them in different lawsuits while repeatedly denying any of the allegations. the nfl conducted its own investigation and an independent officer gave watson a six-game suspension. six-game suspension. both watson and the nfl players association said it will not appeal the ruling, but the nfl commissioner has the final say. the nfl had originally asked for a full season suspension, so what, just what, will roger goodell do now. back with me errol lewis, abdul al saeed, and jonah goldberg. i feel like there's not a lot of consistency in the disciplinary actions of the nfl. am i wrong. >> you are right to tell you the truth. if you look through the document, what they did is go through, as a court might do.

>> non-violent, they called it. >> that is the opposite of leadership. that is the opposite of progress. that is the definition of the status quo. let's here's what we'll do one more time >> light is it seem different? >> because this abhorrent behavior will not stop unless you really punish it. and so the idea of maybe a season or imposing an actual serious financial fine. it is just hard to do when you have a quarter of a billion dollar deal. >> which they gave him after the allegations were already out? the allegations were out. >> structure in a way that he made a whole bunch of money matter what. >> it won't change until it changes. and they've got to make some changes. i think everyone watching this knows that the nfl, which is impacts up the ball to public pressure, we'll wait to hear from the fans, the advertisers,

the sponsors, the players, and everybody else. so anybody who has an opinion about this they made it clear that they're not going to change anything. >> just weigh in. we just talked about colin kaepernick. they took a knee in protest of violence against black people. and then shaun watson, he sexually violated -- allegedly sexually violated 26 women. and he's going to sit for six games. and the thing about it is that the nfl doesn't have a answer to. you're gonna get a strongly worded comment from fidel. they make their money because people like shaun watson -- it isn't every incentive that they have to go on there. so they have just been handed the situation. they're going to be very very angry about it. and then shaun watson's gonna play. >> there's a part of those two. when we think about this. the idea that these aren't criminal prosecutions. and i'm a prosecutor and i

think about the due process. i hear a lot of commentary people make about the court of public opinion. the me too movement. the idea of cancel culture. all of this plays into one conversation around, why shouldn't they take everything away from him, and settle in the courtroom? a court of law. >> there are things that you can do that would violate the law that would cause you to lose your job at cnn. >> there's a long list. >> even some of those things you can lose your jobs. not all them, but institutions have a obligation to protect the long-term integrity, and the name, and the reputation of their institution. and we have a sort of tragedy of the way we think about these kind of things. i do think it's worth not letting the players union off the hook, this feels like very much hey winking, nodding, and if it will get a little bit

more grief from the players union. but the players union was and on this. for critics of police unions, it is the same sort of principle here. police unions, i understand have to protect cops regardless of what the accusations are. sometimes those defenses are less defensible than others. and this is one of those cases. >> you often appreciate the fact of the victims here are some of the most disempowered people near society. predominantly women of color. so the shaun watson has got $250 million. he can pay every single and 1 million dollars. and then he still got to keep 200 and $4 million. . and the end they all go away. this is not getting a proven in the court of law because it is no incentive to have that happen. so given the fact that all of us, the nfl exist because all of us tune in to watch it, i think you're right. our, we have to raise our voices and decide. we are not going to watch this and have to sit there and realize that all of this money that was taken unspent on behalf of someone who systematically abused women of

color. >> you know who we have sat watched? the oscars. we know about hollywood, and their money, and how makes work around. i tell you, we're gonna go real quick here i want to kind of light round of thoughts are. when you thought the apology from will smith did you go, that's a ticket? or you like, what about march 2022 why now? >> why this video that nobody asked for? >> how do you feel about it? >> my impression was, he's an actor, until he's wrestling allowed the idea that, how could have done something wrong when i know that i'm not a bad person? let's asked that question will be differently. why would somebody do that? because they are a bad person. >> -- >> amen without gloves. you are gonna do it.

amen. >> i looked up to was smith and younger. he showed us is certainly being and to see him cutting to try and wrestle with this way that is -- it's frustrating. we'll see if others agree. nobody asked me. errol louis, abdul syed, thank you very much. we'll be right back. is the planning effect. this is how it feels to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. this is what it's like to have a comprehensive wealth plan with tax-smart investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn. and set aside more for things like healthcare, or whatever comes down the road. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity.

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