our top story tonight. u.s. killing up osama bin laden second in command. president biden announcing that the al-qaeda leader, ayman worry, was killed in a drone strike in afghanistan's capital. >> one week ago. after being advised of the conditions were optimal i gave. the final approval to go get him. and the mission was a success. none of his family members were hurt. there are no civilian casualties. i am sharing this news to the american people now after confirming the mission is a total success through the painstaking work of our counterterrorism community and key allies and partners. >> the updating us most wanted terrorist tonight with the word, deceased. want to bring on cnn national security correspondent, alex marquardt.

also military analyst retired -- general mark hertling. and philip mudd. good evening gentlemen. appreciate you joining us. let's start with alex. what are you learning tonight about this mission and how it went down? >> well don, this was a remarkable and complex mission. we've got a lot of the details from a senior administration official who spoke to reporters shortly before president biden spoke with the nation. now this was months in the making. it was back in april when president biden's first briefed on the fact that the war was believed to be, not just in afghanistan, but in the afghan capital of kabul. in that city. living there he was told that members, his wife, his daughter, his grandchildren. now the intelligence community believes that he never left the house. that it was only as family members who went out. that is wife and daughter use what this administration called a terrorism trade craft to make sure that they weren't tracked or detect it. now they failed on that front

because patterns were detected. in fact, zuri went on to be seen on the balcony of the safe house. now a party present biden, we are told, is to make sure that if a strike was to take place. that no one else would get hurt. so as confidence grew in may and june about the whereabouts of zawahiri. you kept asking questions, we are told, to make sure that there is very little collateral damage. that no one else was hit. on july 1st president biden held a situation room meeting with his top national security advisers. in fact, the bottom of this house said president biden could inspected. three weeks later, on july 25th, when president biden was recovering from covid. he convened a final meeting with his top advisors at which point he gave the greenlight for the strike. to make sure that it was a very precise strike that only took out a laurie. and so, on saturday night eastern time, sunday morning.

kabul. time and undermanned area vehicle. a drone. fired two hellfire missiles at that building where is amari was listening. he was on the balcony at that time. he was killed and no one else, we are told by the administration was hurt. it is a remarkably precise strike against the most wanted terrorist in the world, don. >> let's talk about some of that intelligence. what kind of intelligence would president biden have needed to ultimately give this operation the greenlight? >> we needed don lemon special on this. let me talk about different categories of intelligence. the first is, human intelligence. that is -- remember the bin laden right. if he had career or someone within the organization who can identify where your target, in this case so lori lives. so you might have on the ground intelligence, including in a place like kabul, you've got overhead intelligence. once you identify a potential target, again, remember the bin laden compared. you can use a drone.

it is not just about hellfire missiles. a drone has visual on the target to say, what is the pattern of life there, are there for example women and children on that balcony? you could also use technical intelligence. are you getting transmissions from that building? are you getting, for example, cell phone calls? so it is a kaleidoscope, don. this combination on the ground, in the air, an interception communications. that allows you over weeks and months to say, not only is that target we want, but can we confirm that if we hit that target we are pretty sure we won't take down civilians in the strike. >> general hertling. how much more difficult is this kind of operation. without any troops or military facilities on the ground or available in afghanistan? >> don clinical back to august of last year. when we were departing afghanistan. and talk about how so many people said we could not conduct over the horizon types of attacks.

and there are many of us that said that the military and intelligence community is much better than that. don't underrate their capabilities. and, yes, it is tougher. because you don't have the so-called reconnaissance on the target. you don't have the so-called eyes on the target? but still there is a capability. to just target signals intelligence. human intelligence from other areas other than just u.s. forces on the ground. there are, you, know basically spies that would say. hey, describes where $25 million and have about to understand. we will certainly to provide information on him to get some of that money. but you also have satellite imagery and there are all sorts of various intelligence capabilities that will allow you to target somebody. i gotta give kudos to the intelligence community, to the cia, to have or conducted the

strike. we will probably know and never know the exact method in which they employ their capabilities. this is a pretty good strike. and this individual who is the head of al-qaeda worldwide. he is basically the ceo of how the al-qaeda network. it is gonna disrupt their capabilities, certainly. they're gonna be people who are replacing him, you know, whenever we conducted a strike. when i ordered a strike in iraq. there is always someone to step up behind the individual that we destroyed and they will gradually step in the place. but then they are going to be the targets of the next rounds of strikes. that is what happened tonight. >> alex, how to talk about the senior administration official who was saying that senior taliban leaders were well aware that all zawahiri was in kabul. more than 20 years after 9/11. is afghanistan once again becoming a safe haven for terrorist? >> it is almost impossible to

believe that the top al-qaeda leader. a guy is well-known his heiman azari is going to be living in kabul without permission from the taliban so the biden administration believes that senior taliban leaders, in particular those from the haqqani network, were not only aware that's how our was living there but they were supporting him and in fact in the wake of the strike establishing a perimeter around the building that kept people away. and actually move the family. this is, according to the u.s., a violation of the doha agreement. which is an agreement that struck between the u.s. and the taliban that they would not provide safe harbor for terrorist. no one believed that they were going to really try to root out al-qaeda. there certainly is a growing presence and a growing strength among two main terrorist groups in afghanistan. isis k, which is an offshoot of isis of course. and al-qaeda. isis-k, they are the sworn enemies of the taliban. so taliban has their own

interest in going after them. al-qaeda, as we know, certainly as close ties with the taliban. so while these groups are growing in strength in afghanistan, because they do have a bit of a foothold there, don. the good news is they haven't gone to a level yet where it is believed that they can carry out significant strikes beyond afghanistan. >> going to play this for you this is the president's comments on that we'll talk. >> now, justice has been delivered. and this terrace theater is no more. people around the world no longer need to fare the vicious and determined killer. the united states continues to demonstrate our resolve and our capacity to defend the american people against owes that seek to do us harm. >> no longer needs a fair. is that how you see, or should the u.s. be concerned about potential retaliation from al-qaeda? or al-qaeda sympathizers. >> i would not be think it is much more retaliation as what alex was talking. about the fact that the worry

said i can live in relative comfort in a rich area of kabul. what does that tell you, don? let me tell you what it tells me. that al-qaeda people are saying we have not only sympathizers but supporters within the taliban movement. that now owns afghanistan. when i would be thinking, in the government, in an area that we would call safe haven back in the counterterrorism community. that is an area where i kind of an isis k feel relatively safe operating. where will be year two, three, or four years. to close to pieces of? this when you gotta worry that leadership in al-qaeda, over the course of years, not weeks or months will say we want to resuscitate we had 20 years ago. before 9/11. but the congress is the big story today. the congress is not the al-qaeda story. the congress is that the american intelligence community can look at a city where we have very little presence and say we can take this guy out with a precision weapon and without significant jeopardy to civilian lives. incredible intelligence dawned.

that is incredible. >> if i can add to that. if you don't mind me adding to that. what phil just said is critically important. come first leads to complacency. what do you have seen him do in kabul and in the area between pakistan and afghanistan. you see that traveling of individuals, the connection with the taliban government, but in addition you saw several other senior leaders that are residing in afghanistan and the american people don't know these names. but you've got guys like, muhammad, osama magnitude, a chief gary, syringe haqqani. it was a member of the taliban parliament. so you've got a bunch of individuals who think they can view this kind of activity and remember, i go back again, august of last year. when everybody said there is no way we can conduct over the horizon and tax. we just conducted an over the

horizon attack on the leader of al-qaeda. so there is continued intelligence in this and there is continued strikes. we've got people waking up, like film, it re-single day. saying how do we attack these guys? how do we kill them so that they don't provide a danger to the united states? that is critically important. >> thank you all, i appreciate it, we got much more to being used tonight. president joe biden announces the united states has killed al-qaeda leader, ayman al-zawahiri. what does that mean for al-qaeda? fareed zakaria weighs in next. in three seconds, pam will decide... i'm moving closer to the grandkids! wait. i got to sell the house! don't wait, just sell directly to opendoor. easy as pie. piece of cake. whichever. when life's doors open, we'll handle the house.

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strike killed al-qaeda leader, ayman al-zawahiri, let's talk more about that tonight. we've got some major stories. cnn's freed the carriers here, host a freezer carriage bs. fareed, thank you, appreciate you joining us this evening, this is a major strike. it was successful in killing of zawahiri. what does this mean for al-qaeda? >> well the symbolic blow is shattering. the worry was in some ways more the architect of al-qaeda even then bin laden. so worry was the original islamic jihadi militant. he was a radicalized when he was 15 years old. he goes to jail as part of the assassination of sadat. the president of egypt when he made peace with the israelis. he has been the mastermind behind all of this. in some ways you could argue that al-qaeda was a marriage or a fusion between a deep shan bryant and saudi money. so murray was the egyptian bryant's. but laden was the saudi money. and so in some sense he is the

original, the founder the symbol. for many of the card race probably even more so than bin laden. symbolically, a huge huge setback. the truth is, al-qaeda is in bad shape anyway, it is a shadow of what it used to be. and so i think that i'm not sure exactly how much effect will have operationally. because it is already a pretty reichstag operation. but without question, the single biggest blow you could give to al-qaeda, would be to decapitate zawahiri. >> last year, fareed, when you mark the tenth anniversary of the killing of osama bin laden. he said the islamic terrorism is a threat. it used to be. what do you think of this right after this? >> we'll have been saying for a while, don, that what we need to look at is the most important question is. are the inspiring people? are they getting new recruits? are they able to win people over to their cause? and in country after country,

which are finding is, the answer is no. it is almost as though they had this -- the sense of desperation in futility and hope in a lot of islamic countries. they look to al-qaeda some kind of radical way out but very quickly the throng who are off. they were less used our band of thugs when they got to power. whether was isis or al-qaeda. they were horrible, nobody wanted to live in those countries, so they've now established a track record of missouri and brutality, of oppression. so they're still getting people. young men look for adventure and this becomes a kind of, daredevil thing to do. but it is really not what it was ten years, 15 years ago. by every measure you can look at. the radicalization of these societies has gone down a lot. and the power of al-qaeda and even isis is much lower.

there's still is some of this and places like syria where you have these no man lines or bad lines. places that have no government and so you have thugs who takeover and these thugs often have an islamic flavor? but i think we should begin to think to ourselves. this is a chapter in american national security strategy that is coming to a close. did we overreact? to rebuild a massive security apparatus between the homeland security operations outfits. the huge increases in intelligence and defense spending? we invaded two countries. i think could be useful for us to ask ourselves whether we need to recalibrate. and you think about the greatest number of terrorist attacks to the sites have come from extreme white ring groups, not from islamic jihad a terrorist. >> homegrown terrorists.

domestic terrorism. >> president barack obama reacted to the strike tonight saying it is proof that it is possible to root out terrorism without being at war in afghanistan. can u.s. continue to be a leader in fighting terrorism with this kind of strategy and without boots on the ground? >> absolutely. but this proves, in some ways, is that the core competency of the united states is not really in occupying countries. we're not very good at that. it is just -- i actually think it is just fundamentally not in the dna of a country like united states. what is our core, competency something like this. which involves technology, framing, high degrees of confidence, disciplined. but you're not trying to rule over the country. you're not trying to be in another land where people -- when you provoke nationalism and resistance. that is not a game we can play

well. this game week -- i would set when somebody said would i was advocate taking is this over the top counterterrorism tragedy. they said you're playing whack-a-mole strategy with a terrorist. and i said, you know it, yes. but whack-a-mole is no fun for the more. here getting smacked all the time. and assaults we can keep going. we can easily keep this going. it's a fraction of the cost. this just means that terrace leaders everywhere at all times have to be aware. and i think you're guess on the previous segment exactly right. the technology has now gotten good enough that you can do this kind of thing with minimal civilian casualty. with maximum accuracy. it is looking like a bad world for the bad guys out there. it's becoming much easier to hunt them down, to find them, and to do something with pinpoint accuracy to take them out. i'm >> fareed zakaria, thank

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things are looking worse and worse for the secret service. pop out that mcgrath demanded the inspector general step aside from the investigation into missing secret service text. the new calls coming after seeing and reports revealing that investigators knew for more than a year than tex had been erased. join me now to discuss cnn political analyst alex burns,

the coauthor of this will not pass. trump biden, the battle for america's future. and kim whaley, a visiting professor at the. american university and even the author of an upcoming book, how to think like a lawyer. so good to have both of you on. good evening kim. these lawmakers are demanding transcribed interviews for key staffers at the inspector general about the drop efforts to recover these text messages. how do these relate to the broader investigation.

i like the head. centered ignorant. . earlier i asked if the ig was acting in bad faith. listen to this. >> it is a. choice, faith or incompetence. the bottom line is that when this kind of critical information is not transferred from one administration to the other that is a routine. and he treated it as such. >> so the timing of these text. it makes some crucial --

and it was never found. imagine that kind of the secret service as much as anything. and let me see these text messages. >> [inaudible] he was sort of i think being diplomatic. and saying weather was bad faith or incompetence, the outcome is unacceptable. the question whether is bad faith and competence, potentially really important here. if it was bad faith, if it was a matter of trying to cover up a cover-up. that obviously has a potential legal implications. it is very very relevant to the investigation. that congress is doing now. and to potential investigation the protests department might be doing. don, the other thing that might be pointing out here is that there is something a little bit tricky here for the mainly democrats on capitol hill who are trying to get accountability from secret service. to whatever extent that investigation becomes driven entirely by the house of representatives and the senate.

while democrats may only control those chambers for a couple more months. after that point, there's a real question mark over who's gonna finish the job and get the answers. >> and the last hour i spoke, kim, with retired d.c. police sergeant. mark robinson. who told me about what he heard over the events in the presidential suv on january 6th. >> we've heard it several times. well i was on the motorcade. i think, during the speech. shortly thereafter. yet i finished a speech. the present is getting into the motorcade and he was upset. and he adamantly wanted to go to the capitol. and even when we departed from the ellipse, it was repeated again that the president. it was a heated argument in the limo. it definitely go to the capitol. so when we arrived at the white house the motorcade was placed on standby. kim look this is coming to light. it put a spotlight on the secret service. so, beyond these pivotal techs, how important is it going to be

for investigators to get to the bottom of what happened on the speech at the ellipse. well the medical data reportedly demonstrates that ten of 24 secret service agents engaged in text messages on that day. so when it comes to the potential criminal implications, that is doj, not so much what the committee is doing, congress which cannot prosecute. but when it comes to what doj might, to having text messages, with and around the president security detail, with that could give rise to information relating to donald trump's state of mind, that is the centerpiece of any potential criminal charge. and, of course we also know that mike pence refused to get into his car and leave the capitol in that moment as well. so, those text exchanges with the secret service, all of that they are fears for their lives.

all of that that we are hearing sort of been a very tiny amount out of the january six committee. these are critical pieces of realtime information that doesn't lie, it doesn't die unless it's removed or, you know even fraudulently or an confidently. and that's really a loss for the american people. >> alice, what do you think what's happening with the committee now that they're getting so much more information? do you expect more interviews to happen and revelations before they officially come back again in september? >> oh, i think every indication, don, from the committee that we've had from conversations i've had with people close to the committee is that, yes, we should expect a whole lot more of a whole lot more. if they set out with that first set of hearings, to really move the needle in terms of public awareness of the fruits of their investigation and public opinion about the nature of what happened on january six, you know, mission accomplished. but what we saw, especially

towards the end of that secrecy hearing, the revelations that they were bringing forward where themselves giving rise to additional revelations. and, i think it would take a really stark shift in the whole strategy of this committee, if suddenly they were to stop conducting interviews, and stop looking at the context of those interviews. i think that's going to be very, very productive so far. >> a whole lot more of a whole lot more. very well put, alex burns, thank you so, much kim, appreciated. nba hall of famer and civil rights activists, bill russell passed away. his friend, is here with me, next.

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this weekend, we lost a legend on and off the court. nba hall of famer and civil rights icon, bill russell, passing at 88 years old yesterday in the tribute to while they're supporting the nba commissioner and silver running in part, bill stood for something bigger than sports. michael jordan calling him a pioneer. former president, barack obama writing today, we've lost a giant as tall as bill russell stood. his legacy rises far higher. joining me now, someone who is a major legacy as well, i call in a living legend. i'm not sure if he would agree with. up and be a hall of famer, build a bar, he met russell

when he was just 14 years. old he was lucky enough to call him a mentor and friend. karine, thank you so much for coming, in really, to honor your friend. thank you so much. >> no problem, don, nice to see you. >> how is everything? >> good to see you as well. i wish we're talking at better circumstances. he was an inspiration to so many people. what was it that made him a role model for you when you were growing up in harlem? >> well, for me he became a role model when i realized that some of the things that scared me and bothered me about racial in america were things that he addressed. and, he gave me a way to speak about it that had all the elements of trying to make something better rather than just being angry. and he really helped me define that in my life and make sources that were better suited

getting positive change rather than just expressing your anger. he was the exact person whose example should be followed in that area. >> yes, he was active in the civil rights movement, obviously, attending the 1963 march on washington led by dr. king. he spoke out against segregation and boston public schools. and you said, he inspired you as an activist, right? not just so that you felt that there was a place for you in the league and society. but, he spoke to you as an activist. tell me about that. >> well, being an activist means that you use your position of public prominence to try to effect change. to call attention to things that aren't right. and, to try to help make those things right again. so, you know, the whole idea of

athletes earning a lot of money and accolades, that's a wonderful thing. but, what are you going to do with that? >> i mean, living wall is wonderful. but, not everybody gets the opportunity. how do we affect change in a positive way that opens the door for other people to have opportunities? that's what we should be thinking about and that's what other athletes and other prominent people who have made it, they need to keep the door open for other people to follow. >> you know, kareem, the word accolades, that's a good word because we think about all these accolades are coming in. now you know, he went through it. he faced racism in boston, the city he played for. he wrote about this piece in the new york times addressing the racism that her family, during his time as a player. she wrote that her family, one weekend, discovered that their

home have been broken into, that it was inch ambled and the n-word was graffitied on the wall, fathers trophy smashed. now, police discovered that the bird -- had desiccated in the bed. so, he endured racist abuse from fans. yet this was all going on while he was a superstar on the court. explain that. i, mean the dichotomy is unbelievable. >> i can explain it. but the vandalism that bill experienced was just an expression of the anger of people who felt that he should not be given the opportunity to be as successful as he was as an athlete. they resented his success. , and they wanted to show him that he had a place in society

that they did not respect. and they were going to put him in his place. but bill was bigger than that. and bill just kept his chin up and kept moving forward. the celtics kept winning championships and bill show the world what class was all about. >> yes, he did it with class. you're reading my mind, as you are talking about that. as you said he did it without. this is a piece that you wrote in subsection, your piece, and it's called, the bill russell i knew from 60 years, here's what you say, you said, what's especially struck home was his refusal to become stereotypical angry black man that many tried to force him to be. instead, he chose to focus on finding a path to change and social justice grew specific action and programs. how did he inspire you to be a better man? >> well, he inspired me to be a better man by handling situations like you just

described. without giving into all of the anger and rage that he must have felt. he handled that in a way that really shamed the people who had tried to tell him to find the door and leave the celtics. he kept winning. the celtics kept winning. and they kept doing it with a number of black athletes. i remember, i was in high school when the celtics started an all back -- . that was the first time that happened. they required -- from the knicks. and the best team in the country was an all-black team. that was something for a whole lot of hoops tears for myself to aim for and tried to

emulate. and he continued to set examples like that for athletes and do it with so much class and focus. he never made any of us, i'm speaking for myself, he never made any of us feel ashamed or not feel proud. he amplified it. he was a banner holder for pride, for black athletes. >> we are so grateful to have you speak on the show but also just to have you do what you do and contributing so much to society and the culture. so thank you for that, thank you for helping us to honor your friend. >> well, thank you. it's really neat that the nation can share this moment in a positive way. we've lost a giant but he

leaves a giant example for us all. and, we will benefit from many years to come. >> we'll be right back. [acoustic soul music throughout] [acoustic soul music throughout] [acoustic soul music throughout]

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tensions in between the u.s. and china, possibly nancy pelosi suspected visit to taiwan during her trip to asia, this. week i want to bring in, now cnn's selina wang in beijing. also here with me, max on the columnist of the washington post. good evening to. you selina, speaker pelosi's visit to taiwan would be the first by house speaker in 25 years. sam certainly isn't happy about

it. whatever official saying? >> well, don, officials here are furious. they are threatening serious consequences. they say that this visit would be a direct challenge to china sovereignty, china's military is also saying that it won't,, quote sit idly by if she goes. pelosi is in the line of succession to the presidency. and, for beijing's perspective, this is essentially them supporting independents, which is a clear line for beijing. , not the kind of rhetoric we're hearing from china, we have for this language before when it comes to taiwan. but, this time around, the timing is sensitive. it is provocative. we are just months away from a key political beating when she jinping is expected to see an unprecedented third term. he cannot afford to look weak at this moment. and, we are already seeing the show of military force and propaganda videos with the message to prepare for more. there have also been several recent military drills, including, just a speck weekend, around the island which is china's closest point to taiwan. now, don, to your earlier point

there was a house bigger who visited 25 years ago. but china today is extremely different. it is more powerful and virtually, every regard, economically, militarily, this is a china that does not take insults or humiliation lightly. and at the, route it's china's most powerful leader. >> and, max, how could this expected visit by the house speaker, nancy pelosi, and they're strained relationship between the u.s. and china? >> well, clearly it's unfortunate that things are working out this way. i'm kind of exasperated with everybody involved. i think it was a mistake for president biden. to publicly say that the u.s. military didn't think that speaker pelosi should go. that turned this visit into a diplomatic hot potato. and it led to this massive chinese rhetorical response threatening action of the various kinds if pelosi makes the. chip, and if she was going to go the way to do, it it would've been for her just to

show up in taiwan unannounced in the way that u.s. leaders show up or perhaps of stern up in the past in places like afghanistan and iraq. so, you know we don't think we need ten at this moment when our focus needs to be the crisis with russia and the russia ukraine war. and we're trying to prevent china from supplying and supporting russian war and this certainly is not helpful. but, at the same time, we cannot let china dictate who gets to visit taiwan. this is simply bullying behavior trying to prevent a show of support for a battle asian democracy. so, we can't give into china here. so, it's a very unfortunate situation in the way it's been handled. and it seems like very little good is going to come of it. >> to one of the points that max is making, selina, the u.s. is saying that it won't take the bait or engage. the fact this taiwan is a huge flash point. are there concerns that this

could escalate into something more serious? well don most people don't think that china is going to make any direct hostile action. but, the concern here is that with all of the military hardware in the area that this increases the risk for miscalculation, an accident that could spiral into real conflict. because on one hand, yes, she jinping needs to look strong. but you also need stability, leading into the party congress. especially giving all of the challenges at home with the economic devastation from zero covid. so, really, the question is how does china make a move? that proves that it's not a paper tiger. that they're angry, safe's face. but also stopped short of resulting into any risky standoffs. so, when i've been speaking to experts, they say that this could include climb more warplanes on airspace. which china already regularly. does it could also include things like economic and diplomatic backlash as well. it is, however, impossible to overstate just how central this time one issue is to the dna of

the communist party, to its legitimacy. but, with that being said, when china does make a move, the viewpoint here is that it's not going to make a move depending on when a u.s. official visits. they're going to choose a timing that they feel is right. >> max, i have a short time. laughter is the anything that the u.s. can do to de-escalate things with china at this point? >> well, i think that president biden is already trying to do that behind the phone call which she jinping. and you know sending clear signals that we are not trying to support taiwanese which is not initiated by the biden administration. but, at the same time we also, have you know an aircraft carrier and to assault ships in the region airtime want to make clear. that we will not tolerate hostile actions from china, so i think that that's the right stance to wake. but even if this is a crisis that nobody would've chosen to provoke at this present time. >> thank you max, thank you selina, i appreciate it. and thank you everyone for

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