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republicans, yet again. no, donald trump is not on the ballot, that is true, but he is casting a big shadow, as he continues to endorse some, and it's not always clear, i might add, who he is endorsing, but more of that in just a moment. the timing is going to be interesting here. it is not just post january six, it is post the first series of january six hearings. whether they see it impacted voters and which way it did. it has not seemed to impact the platforms of candidates in several swing states, some continue to echo the baseless fraud claims. there is a whole slate of them running for top positions like governor, attorney general, secretary of state and senate, you know, consequential officeholders who may be over running elections. also being closely watched, the senate race in missouri. trump has endorsed a erik, okay, but which eric did you mean to endorse, sir?

rivals eric greitens and eric schmitt, they both claim that trump met them. trump has yet to clarify it, even now on election night. it seems to be causing a lot of chaos and confusion and to a already tumultuous race. meanwhile, you have a trio of republicans who voted to impeach trump over the insurrection, and their seats? they hang in the balance tonight. let's get the latest from cnn chief national correspondent and anchor of inside politics, john king is at the magic wall. look, john, polls have already closed in missouri. what can you tell us about the race there? >> one of the erics, laura, is leading in the senate republican primary. that would be the state attorney general eric schmitt, with only 40% of the vote count it. eric schmitt, one of the erics, is leading with 40% of the vote. congresswoman vicky hartzler in second with 27%. eric greitens, the former

governor who resigned in disgrace amid scandal is in third with 17. 2%. again, a long way to go in the vote count. you seen a lot of yellow, that is congresswoman hartzler. she's a republican congresswoman. this is where her district is. some of these counties are out of her district, in the south and east. but the chunk of them right here, that is a congressional district. she is running strong at home, if you will. it is a long way to go, as we come to votes. the fact that we are talking at this recent significant. this is a republican held seat. roy blunt is retiring. republicans should hold it in a november. barber. democrats think it is possible if you have a cast to keep an eye on this one. we will keep counting votes. >> who knew that the numeric was the new share, john king? we have a one name now. but the new thing, it's a new fad, i'm setting it up here. you have three congressional republicans that voted to impeach trump. and they are facing primary challenges tonight. how are they looking in that? >> let's go to the state of michigan, we have some votes. two in washington state, we don't get those results to later. we come right in here, grand rapids, michigan area right here. results are early, only 5% in.

but peter meijer is the incumbent. he's one of ten house republicans who voted to impeach donald trump. trump is about exacted vengeance ana. trump's endorsed john gives, is kyler, who has simply 63% of the vote in the moment. again, this is only 5% of the vote. so we have a long way to count. but as you watch this district will, and republicans around the country watching this tonight, to see, even after the january 6th hearings, even after all this damning testimony from donald trump's own aides and allies, that knew it was a lie, the republicans still want to punish those who wanted to impeach him. >> john king, stay close, glad that you hear. here to help us, pat -- put into perspective a former democratic congresswoman abby finkenauer, cnn analysis ron brownstein and former special adviser to george bush, scott jennings. we've got i wanna, california, kentucky, this is the focus group in a nutshell. people pay to have these moments here. let's talk about these moments here. first of all, i wonder, what

does it say, that trump still cast this very large shadow? his endorsement really that impactful? i wonder sometimes you for giving him too much credit, we talk about it. i know the eric thing is funny, but is it oversized? >> i think it's most impactful in multi candidate primary. if you look where he has the biggest amount of movement in canada seize, take ohio, for example, where j.d. vance was his third place, and he came in light, deliver the nomination in ohio to j.d. vance. in missouri, he is indoors one eric, or the other, or maybe both. up and we think it's likely he will win. we have a lot of votes to count, we don't want to speculate over counting it. he will obviously want to claim credit for this. same in arizona, a multi candidate field. he came in for blake masters. he does cast a big shadow. it is most helpful in bigger primaries, we have lots of candidates, and people try to because a lot of these candidates, as rondo's, you have run, in these big primaries -- >> and you've won.

give you credit, you've won. >> an important primaries, lot of candidates saying the same things. same issues, same talking points. so when somebody comes in that people trust, or think they trust, and says this is my person, it could make a big difference. >> i'm a very serious question for you, ron. i want to know which eric do you think he was endorsing? i have full screen here. i think these are the different people who could possibly could be. and i'm wondering which of these people do you think. is it eric holder? is it eric carter? it could be anyone of them, clapton is up there? eric church? we are doing them all? >> he hedged his bets. >> i couldn't help. it >> to scott's point, i think looking at trump's personal win loss record is the wrong metric. because it's not only like his top on the shoulder, it's the fact that he reconfigured the republican coalition over these past six years in a direction that makes it more likely for trump to style candidates to win. the party is more dependent on the kind of voters who respond to a trump appeal, culturally

conservative, non urban, non-college, older, evangelical voters and the kind of white collar, culturally moderate voters have been shifting way for the party. the entire baseline -- it is not only who trump endorses, it is who in our system. there are very few candidates anywhere in the country that are running and saying that the party has to move away from him. i know scott and i have argued about this before. but the entire baseline has moved in a trump direction. the implications are not only in the primaries but in the general elections, as well. >> that's exactly right. what i am thinking about is less his impact on these particular candidates and more so just his impact on the republican party and what it says now about the republican party that these are who your people are. regardless of which eric we are talking about in missouri, they are both pretty terrible. they both believe that the election was stolen. they believe in conspiracies

and allies and they peddle them for their own personal gain. that is who the republican party sadly is now. >> on that point, i want to play what kari lake had to say about the idea of pushing the baseless claims, it is a page out of what trump said, more than a year ago now, about the idea that if i should do this, here's what happened. >> the only way they can win is if they load up the voter rolls with dead people, people who have moved, and imaginary friends. >> when you heard that, of course, it is a bit of déjà vu. the real issue for me, as well, abby, this is your point about who the republicans are, i do wonder if that will backfire for democrat voters or for republican voters in the long run because, there was a time not too many years ago, when it was i need you to have a platform, and i will go towards the platform. as opposed to i'm going towards

not voting for somebody in particular. and i wonder of the focus is consistently on, look these are the publicans who they are, as opposed to democrats, you want to talk about the economy, you want to talk about issues that matter to people, is that a real concern? >> look, democrats, you can have policy differences in a platform, but we are talking about, when we talk about the republican party platform, they are literally changing it like in states in arizona where if you don't essentially believe that trump won the election, you are not a republican anymore. there is a very big difference there and, again, it is really horrifying to watch this continue to happen. it will be on democrats, do we educate voters enough to talk about how extreme this is and where these folks have gone, because it is not attached to reality anymore. that is a terrifying thing. we already have people in elected office who believe in these conspiracies, who are not attached to reality, and are we going to have more people like that electing? what does that mean for the future of our democracy, if they are? >> i want to ask you, scott, about reality, but you told me

that you have a pet pig now. i'm not really, i don't know how tell we are to reality at this moment in time, but it is real. i give you our, time it is a cute story, but seriously. when i think about reality, i mean, if you, right? >> well, i mean, my rebuttal to that is, republicans would argue that democrats aren't tended to reality on the economy. they are passing a bill right now and congress -- >> come on, there is a difference here. >> we are going to reduce inflation that does not reduce inflation. we have tax increases now identifying as tax cuts. they are not tethered to reality -- >> no -- >> and issues mattered the most people. >> we are talking about democracy here. we talk about facts here, not policy differences. just cold hearted facts about an election. >> you're not terribly familiar with my views on this. there's a big difference, by the way, between eric schmitt and eric greitens. this election is about -- >> hold on, i want to hear all of you. it is important that the audience does as well.

what is the reality in the polls? >> by most objective measures, this should be a very rough election for democrats. the first midterm is always tough. 9% inflation has not been the case for 40 years. the president's approval rating is 40%. there are a lot of headwinds for democrats. i will say, as a declared of statement, if democrats avoid the worst in november, it will be because of what we are seeing tonight, which is that republicans have the potential to nominate too many candidates, who simply are not good fits, cannot compete and, particularly, in the white collar suburbs which have been moving away from the party in 2018 in 2019. the potential to have a slate in arizona and in michigan that is going to be relatively easy to portray as extreme. and they may get through anyway. the underlying current is such that some of these candidates

who are out of the mainstream are probably going to win. but republicans are making it much tougher on themselves than it might have been by nominating some of these candidates who i think are gonna be very hard cells in places like maricopa county, oakland county, michigan, the suburbs of philadelphia. that is a consistent pattern and it is late to trump's influence in the party. >> let me ask you, how does abortion rank of these conversations? >> very much -- >> is it galvanizing people around it? >> it's a federal issue at this point. >> but in these states it is not settled. and it's also an issue what's been happening at the national -- know, if democrats avoid the worst in november, it will primarily be, i think, principally because the republicans continue to lose ground and white collar suburbs and abortion is a big part of that. it's helping democrats recap. there are a lot of central right, right column voters who voted for biden in 2020 because they didn't like trump, have been disillusion with biden's performance, are open to republicans, and are now moving back because of the confluence

of issues like abortions, guns, january 6th, and the nature of some of these candidates. >> now to the hispanic voters in texas and havana. because you have a whole another block of the electorate that went for the democrats fusion 16, 18, 20 moving to the republican party. you're right, we do have a realignment, but doesn't all benefit -- >> no, you're right. >> i'm glad you validated him before he went back to california. that was a tender moment. do you feel that? that was nice. that was a nice moment. ron brownstein, thank you. everyone, scott, abby, stick with us, we'll be right back. there are brand new developments tonight on missing text messages sent on or around january six. go figure. but not from secret service members. no, no, why were phones wiped of key pentagon officials. yes, it's true. a cnn first is next.

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the trail of the looted january

six techs, well, they now stretch all the way to the pentagon. cnn was first to report on court documents a phone from several key trump aides, where apparently wiped at the end of the administration. now we know specifically that secretary of defense chris miller, former chief of staff kash patel and former secretary of the army ryan mccarthy, were among the officials whose phones were wiped. all are considered key witnesses to january six. d. o. d. is just the latest department unable to suddenly find text messages from that day. we have text from multiple secret service agents were also deleted. homeland security, also cannot seem to find texts from the acting secretary and his top deputy. that is in addition to a seven hour gap in the white house call logs. same for the white house diary on general six. then there are the reports of

documents being burned by the white house chief of staff. flushed documents found clogging the white house pull it or turn up, so they had to be taped back together, preferably, not after being in the toilet, because i feel bad for the person doing that. you know, boxes of classified documents were also sent to mar-a-lago, instead of where they are supposed to be sent, the national archives. i'm joined now by a digital forensic investigator, gary kessler, who i am glad to speak with her now. gary, i am glad that you are here because while people are wondering where these messages have gone, oh they're gone, they have gone proof into the ether, i'm wondering if there is a way to get it back? are these really gone, or are they gone for now? when he d'elia text message, they don't really go away fully,

right? >> well, it depends on how efficiently the wiping was done, if, in fact, wiping is the quick term. on a cell phone, as you just observed with the question, if all you do is delete a message, then the message is somewhere still on the phone. even if it is nice accessible to the user of the text message app, for example, there are still fragments and snippets of the message, again, probably somewhere on the phone, although they can be difficult to find unless you have the right tools. on the other hand, if they truly wiped the phone, the most effective way to do that is, of course, and your phones or iphones or the last few years. the operating systems are automatically encrypted, and there is a decryption keys in the system area of the memory of the phone. so the most effective way to wipe user data is to go to the system area and delete the encryption key, and then it doesn't matter what's in these

area, it will never be reachable. >> what you described would have to be an intentional act. is that a common thing to have done? is it more likely in the works when you have done is that people are doing it on their phones, thinking that they can't actually see it? is it difficult to go in and do the wiping, as we are talking about? you know if that is normally what is done with a change in administration? >> i cannot speak at all to what the administration might do. in the work that i have done, when you usually have somebody who is not terribly sophisticated, and they are just leading messages and very frequently, we can get them back, other from the phone, or we can get them back from say, itunes backup or club backup or something like that, if in fact, i want to reissue a phone, and that has been one of the comments that has been made,

and you would possibly want to wipe the phone so that no remnants of the old user continue on with a new user. so, yes, it is a delivered act and purposeful, it is not necessarily a nefarious action. that is an important distinction. we have no indication that this is the very. the idea of how one more to do this, i think is fascinating because, just the idea of the leading it, versus wiping, it's going to be the key inquiry going forward. gary kessler, thank you for your expertise. >> thank you. >> i want to turn now to miles taylor and the chief of staff at homeland security during the trump administration, also elliott williams who served both the doj and the dhs. miles, elliott, he made a good moment there. the idea of, look, just because you delete it, does not mean it is nefarious for ripping it. it could be part of the course of things, however, this sort of notion of all these coincidences, i mean, at some point, if it walks like a duck and a top like a duck, i mean quack quack. where are we right now? >> we all know this, if italy a

text message, it is a sketch behavior. that, right away, is a red flag. what i just heard him speaking, was stood out to me was the retirement wiping, utah fleshing things than the toilet. one thing is clear, the trump administration, there was not a good preservation of records. it is clear procedures were not followed, and this is a problem. however, i will caveat this by saying that when i saw the news about the d. o. d. today, i said i think it was about less of a criminal conspiracy and more a culture of incompetence. you have senior officials to turn in their phones, the kind of just wipe them, they put him away. the presidential records provisions has not kept up with the 21st century. i'm actually more interested not in the text messages at the scene officials but in the depositions. what were these people doing? we need to start interviewing them again those records. also, as i won't ask for the personal phones? i know a lot of people and government use the personal funds for this. elliott, i'd be interested in

your take on whether they're asking for their personal phones. >> an official record, if you're not getting government business on a personal phone. it is not just incompetence, this idea -- we will both have seen it from the department of homeland security. a lot of people think they are saving america from tyranny and other ruin. the idea that investigators from congress and the justice department can go booking around emails or text messages, it is just offensive to them. of course, we will do we are things. the problem is, for it to be a crime, there has to be an f estimation. there's got to be a subpoena or something like that. as of january six on that day, investigation, camilla mastications have not been open yet. so, you will have a hard time right now, basement information we have charging any of the folks with obstruction of justice. >> that is true, and i know

that, but the same token, there is something odd about a moment -- essentially frozen, almost like a mosquito in amber, i'm watching journalistic park. the idea of thinking about the, and those of the day is that you don't think to preserve. i want to play for you with the attorney general merrick garland thought about this. he was asked whether he was concerned but the missing text messages. here is what he had to say. >> i would be concerned about a missing text, that's not the thing -- >> i don't talk popular cases. we are doing our own investigations. we will pursue all facts, as far as we need to pursue them, and we will pursue them with all the tools we have. >> one of those tools, of course, is the inspector general. at this point, i am not always focused on your only mgm is colonel prosecution. sometimes, it is the criminal investigation, to find out what happend of things. how you feel about the ig overlooking this right now? >> heads need to roll, let's be clear. even if people are not charged crimes, individuals have been fired or resigned for far less than this. it was 2012, the head of the general service administration, gsa, resigned, because they use government funds to hire a

clown, literally. this is far more nefarious unbearable. >> miles is afraid of clowns -- >> i am thoughtful. >> let's not make it about miles. the part about glands, they make me happy, but i am a little frightened of them to. needless to say, you can lose your job for that, you ought to lose your job or overseeing the possible destruction of evidence. >> i have a key into something that elaine said something earlier, again, because if on your personal device, you sent official communication, then that official communication should be preserved. >> does that mean? >> for years and years and years, the emails, where were the knocking her for the emails, because they were on prime email apps. i had heard no one talk about this yet. i know some of these government officials were conducting official business via text messages because -- >> let me send this word document to more personally muscle i can worry about it are home. that becomes government record. >> does that mean your tire form becomes record that can be obtained validly by the government, or does not mean the rocket itself?

this is text partakes that will go through, the project page, and is everything's gonna already, how do begin? >> great question. there is widespread practice in the administration to use encrypted message apps to communicate. people were using that. i am not saying for sure that we know senior officials learn generous six were doing that, all i am saying is that, if people were really worried about private emails being used for official business, text messages which we are looking at now, absolutely were between senior officials. that should be something that is probed in this instance. >> go ahead. >> it might be lawful, but it is awful, literally. to use a cute little catchphrase, it is conduct that even if you are not charged for a crime for, even if you don't lose a job port, our government should not be engaged, full stop. >> awful unlawful, unabomber slipper.

>> we covered clowns, we are running now, this is a beautiful tuesday. it's tuesday, right? it's election night in america, of course, it is tuesday. miles, elliott, stick with us as well. up ahead, one of the country's most popular music festivals has just been canceled. music midtown in allana called off this year in a decision likely lead to cameras. we will take on the controversy with the president of the atlantic city council next.

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romance, future, and jack white, those are just a few of the headline performances that tens of thousands of music fans had hope to see at next month's iconic music midtown festival in atlanta. organizers, however, abruptly called the event off just yesterday, citing circumstances beyond their control. no more details were offered, but sources say that georgia's gun laws are to blame. there is one law in particular that allows firearms to be permitted in public spaces, and that includes parks, i might at, which gun advocates say conflicts with the festival's weapons ban. joining me now is doug shipman, the president of the atlanta city council. doug, thank you for being here this evening. for people learning about this for the first time, it is quite the intersection between what the gun laws are doing and saying and the impact, possibly on entertainment, on the

economy. what's the issue here? that the festival, a private entity, wanted to ban weapons, and the georgia law said, nope, bring your weapons, you are entitled to do so in a public space, is that it? >> we have had consistent laws that have been opening up the access to guns, the ability to carry guns in various places. there was the 2019 georgia supreme court ruling that basically said on proper property and long term least public property, you can have weapon restrictions. but on public property, you could not. in this case, the music festival does not have a long term lease, it is there for a couple of days to have the event. there was concern that there would be legal jeopardy because of the restrictions against any restrictions on public spaces. >> and they can't contract away that requirement or the ability to bring it in? they can say it is part of a entertainers rider look, there can be weapons, that's enough to trump this? >> so, i came out of the entertainment industry before

or is elected into office. there are often riders for artists. there are insurance issues related to security plans. those things did not have any impact on the state law. this state law has been right in in a way that limits local officials from being able to make more restrictive laws. in essence, the state has said, we will make a law, and you cannot change it on the local level. there is one other issue here. more recently, this year, we also have a permitless carry law in the past in georgia. the proliferation of those who can can carry without a license or training has expanded. also, the fact that you could not have a restriction on weapons also in a situation where we know that there are more guns that people are carrying around naturally led to a lot of questions about liability. >> it is hard to think about this in a vacuum, right? we know what happened with the horrible tragic las vegas shootings that took place. there was a music festival going on, concerts happening. there is a concern that one would think of. but it's also the economic

notion. the cancellation, it means a $50 million loss, they believe, to the atlantic economy, according to some reports about this. they were supposed to take place next month. it featured 30 plus artists. it was going to host local food venues. what is the impact of this economically, and does this forbode harsher conditions going forward? in the sense that this might make people say, let's not go to allana. even the north carolina governor tweeted out in response to what is going on. he tweeted out a reaction to this very notion saying, come on up to north carolina, we are ready to welcome you to one of our amazing outdoor spaces to help you host a fun and safe festival. when you see this, and what it could mean for the economy and for businesses or entertainment going elsewhere, what is your reaction? >> it is a major concern. there was a study done for years ago that you cited, $20 million in direct spending, $30 million in direct economic impact. this festival hosted 50,000 people a day for two days.

we know that people come nationally for it. it is a major festival that has been going on for 25 years. but it is not the only one. we have a festival called shakey knees, which happens in another part. we have another one called sweet water 420 fest, which happens in another park. this may not be the only festival that can no longer happen in a public space. they might be able to find a private space, but we don't have a large outdoor private space that really makes sense like some other cities. it may have to move out of the city. these economic ramifications are significant in big dollars, but they are also, as you pointed out, very significant on small businesses. a lot of locally owned food trucks, small businesses, folks connected to our music industry, which is a very vital part of what we do and will be impacted. i would say one more thing, the tweet that you pointed out, we know that we are always in competition with other cities, like austin and miami, nashville for music and economic development, more broadly. i do have a concern that people

are not even going to bring new things that could be coming here because of what they are seeing. i think the economic ramifications could be quite expensive and could be much larger than just the music festival cancellation. >> but will it shape policy? i am wondering if you are hearing from your constituents and voters reacting more broadly to this. has there been some backlash in result from this? >> this festival is really focused on young people, but it's also one that a lot of us have attended over the years, who have been in atlanta. it is one of those memory maker type moments. i have been hearing from folks were quite upset. we do have an election here for state legislators, governors, other constitutional offices. i am hopeful that no matter who is elected next january, when our state legislator comes back in session, there will really be looking at the implications of the policy, whether it was intended or unintended consequence. clearly, there are economic implications. there are ways. we know we have gone restrictions in airports, stadiums, other private venues. we certainly could have it

carved out for ticketed events, for large events, for music festivals. i hope that we will look at those policies because this is going to damage the atlanta economy going forward, no question about it. >> i wonder if it will be the blueprint for other states, who have similar conflicts for entertainers, to think about that and where they choose to go and spend our money. and, of course, the overarching concern of safety at the core. doug shipman, thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> look, it's now tomorrow in taiwan. we will take you live to the other side of the world for the very latest on the storm over how speaker nancy pelosi's historic visit. china is still threatening retaliation. an update on the fighting tensions will be next. on. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. the unknown is not empty.

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just minutes ago, house speaker nancy pelosi gave a historic address before taiwan's parliament. she's now meeting with taiwan's president. in making this trip, pelosi defied hesitation from the white house and also threats of retaliation from china. in her address, pelosi spoke of

america's friendship with taiwan and she pledged more cooperation. here with me now with more is cnn senior international correspondent, will ripley, who's always on the story. tell us what you know. >> like everybody else, we are watching very closely to see how nancy pelosi, the speaker at the house, second in line to the u.s. presidency is perceived here in taiwan. so far, it has been a warm welcome, even though the taiwanese government was pretty much radio silence before her plane landed. once it did, taipei one-on-one lit up with a walker message. as you said, she's meeting with the president. she has also had a chance earlier to meet with members of taiwan's parliament, where she gave a speech and talked about the reasons why she is here. really, it was in stark contrast to what we are seeing from mainland china, with these military exercises happening off the shore. >> we come in friendship to taiwan. we come in peace for the region, and our share of the veterans

affairs committee, representing our veterans, understanding the value of peace and the voids of conflict. >> pelosi made it very clear that the reason why she is here is to show solidarity with the island of taiwan, which has been under increasingly amount of intimidation but military, diplomatically and economically from mainland china, laura. >> there have been a lot of conversation on the trip, as you know well. there is the piece you wrote in the washington post, as well, talking about why she was there. you mentioned a flight, and we see images of her landing. speaking of that flight, there is new reporting that cnn has about that flight to taiwan. what did you learn? >> yeah, that is a fight that i have taken myself. normally, if you are flying the normal direct route, it is only about four and a half hours. it is at least under a five hour flight for sure.

that is how long it would normally take, but speaker pelosi's foot took more than seven hours, according to cnn reporting. the reason for that is because they're trying to avoid, potentially, -- i don't know if we have the map handy or not, but the six locations around the island of taiwan, where there are military drills that are taken place since the overnight hours here, shortly after speaker pelosi arrived. these military drills, some of them so close to the shore, that it is possible that people living along the course can actually hear them. certainly, if anybody were going to head closer to these girls, find a large amount of activity, which is very provocative, certainly, especially because some of these drills, the courts that were released by the liberation army, might have been going into taiwan airspace. we don't know if that has happened. you don't know if that will be publicized by the taiwan military or defense department, if it does happen. because, they certainly don't want to dial up the tension here. they actually have been uncharitably quiet when talking about these latest provocations, even though, usually, they tell

us, two times a day, how many planes have flown into taiwan's self-declared air defense identification zone. i think the strategy for the taiwan side is to keep everything as low key as possible, even while they try to show nancy pelosi around and i hope that the experience that she has, she will take back to washington and help shape american policy, if and when the time comes, that china does make a military move on taiwan. >> they may be uncharacteristically quiet, but you know who is not, that speaker pelosi. i hope she addresses the idea of why there was a diversion, if there is a broader issue at stake. will ripley, thank you so much. we will be right back. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish] discover is accepted at 99% of places in the u.s. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish]

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disabled cerebral palsy didn't. according to the cdc, they have increased muscle tone, which means their muscles are stiff, and as a result, their movements can be awkward. a rep from beyoncé says that they are updating the song. they say the word, quote, not used intentionally in a harmful way, will be replaced. abby, elliott, and scott are back now with me. the person most excited to have puppy on say scott jennings, and not revelation of sorts. i bring this up because, look, it can be and cuttable times, talk about the things that people react to that had this a reaction that can lead to what we know as the so-called cancel culture of things. lizzo just changed a lyric as well. it is not unheard of for people to be enlightened the use of the term to be offensive and no longer use it, but i think you put it best, elliott, the idea that, look, you get permission, you realize it's offensive, and what you do with dan's offensive.

>> look, i agree, language evolves over time. i will give you the floor for a moment. >> you had a smirk. >> i want to hear you defended the thought police. >> let me use a better example for you. the state song of kentucky, my old kentucky home, for 130 years had the word darkies in it, until, overtime, people realized that this is not language that we in a civil society ought to be using, and they changed it. i think there ought to be room for people to recognize that, you know what, i have grown my whole life using the word spaz, but maybe that is not language we ought to be using. not to take anything away from any of us to purge the word spaz from our vocabulary. could still use most of the english language. my question is, how are you affected by it. >> i think we are all effective when people who are creative artists, beyoncé one of the most renowned artist in a culture, one of the most of the

most talented people alive today, when they have to go around policing their artistic expression because they may, might possibly offend a handful of people. i am not denigrating these people that have this disease. i am not at all, but it is obvious that she was not intending to hurt, harm or offend anyone, and i am just saying, when you start bending over for the speech police on one small issue, the floodgates are open. how are you going to have artist expressing themselves if they are constantly calibrating against these people who are sort of professional being offended by everything? >> abby, which i thought? >> i hate calling at the speech police here. what we are talking about our disability advocates. when you look at where the term comes from, spastic cerebral palsy, there are a lot of folks who don't understand that or even know where that comes from. now that you do, and you are hearing from these advocates, we should listen, right? we should have respect for that. heck, there are so many things

you look back and think, oh man, that didn't age well. even still like gilmore girls, right? the first season of that, you have rory using the r-word. very nonchalantly, and i watch that now and go, oh my goodness, this should not be happening, but it did, because once you learn what that word meant and why it was offensive, you took it out of our vocabulary. i think, again, kudos to the disability community, who continues to actually lift this up and explain what it is, because i think right now, we are on cnn talking about spastic cerebral palsy, when a lot of folks did not realize what it was. >> i think this is where the american left is failing because they are speaking a language, and they are thinking about things in a way that most people in america don't even recognize. this idea that we are going around and nitpick -- they're trying to cancel beyoncé, for goodness sake,

this is where the left is falling short in connecting with people. >> first of all, the beehive is not going to cancel beyoncé. you hear the buzzing right now. >> i want to get back to the evolution of language, right? explain to me how -- >> are you offended by this? >> it does not matter whether i am offended by this, that is not the point. >> there is a constituency that could be offended by virtually everything, so how -- eventually, is the goal, to have nothing? >> i'm not going to zing you by making this about kentucky, my home state. literally, you have a state song -- >> you are comparing that to this? >> i am because over time, language evolves. think about all the terms, the r-word, that all of us probably used in childhood that we now know is abhorrent and should ever used. you just don't know it. >> who is gonna be in charge convinced the list that you're not allowed to say? >> we are having the conversation. it is about educating though. we are having the conversation right now.

it is also about having grace, right? when folks aren't aware, and the fact this, lizzo changed her lyrics, beyoncé changed her lyrics, i understand, it was really frustrating to see this happen six weeks after lizzo was told what happened and why it was wrong, and then you have beyoncé doing it. i understand that frustration, but she changed it, and she apologized. i think it sets the tone for the rest of the music industry to pay attention. >> scott's christmas card this year is also the album of renaissance. [laughs] >> i am from kentucky. >> elliott williams, scott jennings, thank you for the conversation, and important to have. we'll be right back.

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