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well as his twin brother luke who was injured in the shooting. we are thinking of cooper, luke and all of the survivors and victims of gun violence. thank you very much for watching pro . i'm pamela brown in the situation room. erin burnett is out front now. out front next, dune to the wire. the vote in arizona's key primary are being covered right now. primary where one election denier is casting doubt on the results despite being in the lead plus more fallout after january 6th text messages were erased from secret service phones. what action the agency is considering taking tonight and just in, cnn learning ivanka and donald trump jr. sat for depositions as part of new york's investigation into the trump organization. let's go out front. and good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, awaiting
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results standing by with a new batch of election results from the key state of arizona whereas this moment trump-backed election denier kari lake has the lead as primary for governor and 80% of the vote is in and we do expect a big batch of votes coming tonight so we are awaiting this, lake leads karen taylor robson, she wins if she wins and she wins if she loses. >> there were a lot of shenanigans going on. we knew the shenanigans were happening. >> and lake's not alone. at least five trump-backed election deniers won their primary races last night. i want to play with you what four of these winners, these are people who are moving ahead, advanced, voters on chosen them.
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this is what four of them said about the last election. for those media outlets that claim there's no fraud, you are willfully ignoring the evidence. >> if you look at the evidence there is obviously something wrong with the election, okay? trump was robbed with the election. >> do you believe donald trump should still be in office? >> i do, yes. he should have won the election, and i -- do you believe he won the election? >> i do. yes. too many shenanigans. >> so what these four people said and again, they have all just won their primaries and advanced to november. what they said is not just false, but dangerous. today on capitol hill we heard testimony from jocelyn benson about what she and other officials are still facing nearly two years after trump's election lies. >> right now we are facing an unprecedented wave of
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continuous, unrelenting harassment and threatses. >> there is an omnipresent threat that permeates our daily lives and those of my families. not long ago my son stepped on the driveway and said to me, don't worry mom. if the bad guys come again, i'll get them with this. he's 6 years old. in a moment i'll hear from a republican who stood up to trump's election lies and bill gates, the chair of maricopa's board of supervisors, the crucial county and the crucial state of arizona. first kyungla lau is live in arizona. how crucial could this next set of results be to knowing who won this primary? >> it could be extremely crucial. what we don't know is how many ballots will be released in this results. the results are scheduled to
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come out from maricopa county in the 10:00 p.m. eastern hour and depending on how big that is, it could be decisive. so what maricopa county says that they're going through is about 120,000 votes, mail-in votes dropped off on election day and they're in the process of signature verifying and they are also in the process of reviewing provisional ballots and it's from 150 to 160,000 total ballots that they have still to go through. so there's going to be some sort of result today. we just need to know how big that result is going to be despite all of these votes still being out there, kari lake who right now is leading the arizona republican gubernatorial race, that nomination, she says she's already won. she's held a news conference saying that she has won, that she's already declaring victory. that she is the nominee and to be fair, the wind is at her back. a lot of these last-minute votes, the in-person votes have broken for lake, despite the
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fact that she is leading just by a hair, she says that she still believes the 2020 election was stolen, that donald trump should be the president and take a listen to what she says the logic of why she thinks that she might be in the lead, erin, listen. >> we outvoted the fraud. we didn't listen to what the fake news had to say. the maga movement rose up and voted like their lives depended on it. >> and the trump-endorsed ticket has kari lake, if she happens to hold that lead at the very top, the secretary of state mark finchem who has been on the qanon circuit and also an elections denier and for attorney general and u.s. senate blake masters. erin, at least at the top of the ticket, it does appear if lake holds on this could be a clean sweep of trump-endorsed
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candidates in the state of arizona. erin? >> it is so crucial. such a crucial state. kyung, thank you very much. as we await that batch of ballots, i want to go to one of the republicans who resisted trump's efforts to overturn the election in arizona. bill gates, the chairman of maricopa's board of supervisors and also with me melissa griffin former white house communications director for then president trump. bill, let me start with you because we are waiting for this big batch of votes. this could be the decisive batch in calling this, could make the race over. your republican party's next nominee for governor could be an election denier that says donald trump won. she said there were shenanigans with this election that she's about to win. bill, what's at stake here? >> well, there's a lot at stake, and i would say it's the future of the arizona republican party, if not the future of this democracy here in the state of
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arizona. as you -- as you mentioned earlier, we have several of the candidates now who are going to be the nominees of the republican party here in arizona who are anti-democratic, small"d." they don't believe in democracy, and they don't believe in our election system. look, i talked to the lawyer who headed up the election day operations for the republican party. he said we had a great election. it ran very smoothly and yet kari lake said there was fraud, that they outvoted the fraud. they have a narrative that they're trying to push and it is very dangerous. >> very dangerous and very sinister, right? because if people don't believe in elections then, right? there goes the country. alyssa, kari lake has made this a point all of the way through, her campaign and even today. today she had plenty to say about rigged elections. here is kari lake from today alone. >> the republic is in jeopardy
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because of shoddy, shady elections and people know it. >> i think if you look at how last night and yesterday went down you would see there are very serious problems. i am not satisfied with how the election was run. >> there were a lot of shenanigans going on. so we knew the shenanigans were happening. >> so the current republican governor of arizona is doug ducey. he stood up to donald trump and refused to help him overturn the election. what happens if kari lake is governor of arizona is crucial, right? >> it is absolutely crucial, and having an election denying secretary of state is very crucial. it is to recruit secretaries of state who support him on these election lies so that if he is to run again in 2024 and not win, he actually could be successful in some of these efforts to overturn state results, but i would say this. i think last night's results are being framed as a victory for trump, and i guess that's
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correct in the way that many of his endorsees won. it's a win for election lies and it's a loss for democracy. i think that the maga monster of the election was stolen. you can't trust election results and it's grown far bigger than just trump himself. ac across the board i've seen what i would consider sane and serious. i think the election was stolen and this has permeated the party to such a dangerous degree and with kari lake, it looks like she'll pull it off. she was an obama supporter and now she's anti-trump when she was elected and now she's the voice of spreading election lies and i think some of these people are charlatans and the public is believing them. that's a problem. as much as 60% of republicans think the election was stolen. >> alyssa raised another important points about the other
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important race, the secretary of state. the secretary of state overseas elections, right? so a double whammy of importance. republican voters in arizona chose mark finchem who was part of the stop the steal movement and who said the arizona state legislature should be able to overturn the will of arizona voters in presidential electionses. so if finchem ends up as secretary of state in 2024, bill, what does this mean? >> oh, i'm very concerned about this. we need someone as our secretary of state who is focused on -- making sure that the elections run smoothly, but certainly not putting the finger on the scale. i have no question that mark finchem will put his finger on the scale. he's made that clear, in fact, shortly after the election in 2020 he said, you know what? we need to come up with a villain in this story, and she said let's make it the board of supervisors and that's exactly what you've seen through the
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audit and even today. minute by minute, we're being attacked for this election that we ran on twitter and elsewhere and there's sifrmly mply no bas it and they're attacking the foundations for democracy and we're saying the facts and were there a couple of hiccups, sure. there was a smoothly-run election and as i said before this election if kari lake or someone else has problems with this selection they need to let us know and they need to make us aware of it because issues are not happening that can affect the outcome one way or the other. >> alyssa, you raise it. they were open, and election deniers and it happened in multiple states. what did this tell you about your pert.
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it's ine givicly going in the wrong direction, and i hate to get political and the most important thing is undercutting the democracy and the basic institutions and trust in our elections. some of the candidates who were elected were nominated because they promoted the big lie and not very good candidates. blake masters will face off against mark kelly, an incredibly popular democrat who will have a much tougher race for as opposed to someone like doug ducey who was chased out of the race and probably would have gone into victory, and i would also note, one, i just want to mention my friend peter meijer came in a veteran and a successful businessman and one of the best young leaders lost his race for telling the truth and now he's the nominee there as an election denier who by the way, now they're saying is a lean democrat seat and he's such a candidate he doesn't even live in the district. what trump is saying and airing
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his grievances is raising the questions broadly. >> prospects all of this puts that in question. thank you very much, bill, alisa. >> next, we are learning tonight that the secret service is considering actions after those texts went missing on january 6th. we will tell you what those were and also what happened in kansas. that incredible vote to protect abortion rights in the ruby red state. democrats seizing on the surprising result. conspiracy theorist alex jones facing a brutal cross-examination forced to admit his lies about the sandy hook shooting. >> it is 100% real as i said yesterday, and as i said here yesterday. it's 100% real. if you have type 2 diabetes or high blood pressure you're a target for chronic kidney disease. you can already have it and not know it.
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["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish] new tonight, the secret service may temporarily disable text messaging on employee cell phones. the agency is under fire amid concerns it maybe erased messages relevant to the zhan jan 6th investigation. texting functions may be suspended as the agency is trying to figure on the what happened and how messages are retained, but this is all in the context of the justice department which is expanding its criminal investigation into january 6th. now we know issuing new
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subpoenas for key members of president trump's white house. we have both stories covered with our reporters tonight, but i want to begin first with whitney wild and her new reporting on the secret service. whitney, what more are you learning about potential changes in the agency and what implications for those may be for this crucial question of what happened to those text messages. >> at a minimum it's an internal acknowledge that leadership within the secret service understands that something like this cannot happen again. so they're trying to make these steps even while there are these oversight bodies investigating how this happened and still the secret service is trying to in whatever way they can trying to be proactive here and the secret service director sent an agency-wide memo letting employees know that it is considerly temporarily suspending the use of texting as the agency tries to figure out how to better retain those text messages. this is an internal acknowledgement that what happened again was basically a really big problem and they need
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to figure out how to try to fix all this and what's clear is there's this gap between generating these text messages and being able to retain it. the memo states that there were a list of things that they were trying to work through mainly the message of this memo that went out to employees is this is a temporary fix. something that we're considering as a temporary fix. further, the memo states that there were regulatory and security reasons for why the agency's text messages weren't backed up on a server in the first place because remember, erin, this was the inadvertent loss of data due to a data mieg ragsz. so what happened in that case is they left the responsibility to the individual employees and that was the main problem here. the memo also makes clear that they'll study how disabling text messages will impact operations and communications with other agencies. erin, finally, this is intended to serve as a road map for the next secret service director and we don't know who that is yet
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and that name has not been announced and all of this was so serious to secret service and to leadership that the current director chose to actually delay his retirement to help the agency navigate all of this. >> all right. whitney, thank you very much. the other story developing tonight, more signs that the investigation by the justice department is expanding and zeroing right in on the inner sanctum of trump's white house. sources are telling us that patrick philbin has been subpoenaed by the grand jury investigating january 6th. philbin worked under white house counsel pat cipollone who himself was just subpoenaed by the grand jury. both men were there, key witnesses for the trump's attempt to subvert the 2020 election. cara skinnel broke the story and what more can you tell about these subpoenas? the subpoenas to the former white house counsel pat sip loany and patrick philbin are seeking documents in their
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testimony before a federal grand jury. this is certainly another escalation of the department of justice investigations. they had previously called that we know of according to sources, mike pence and two of his top aides, mark short who is his chief of staff and greg jacob, his counsel and interestingly for both, these d ins have the question of executive privilege looming around it and as we've reported the justice department is preparing for a court fight on this, but certainly going to the highest ranking members of the trump administration, pat cipollone and patrick philbin. they're zeroing in on the actions within the house as cipollone testified before house committee he was in the room as there were efforts to come up with plans to subvert the election results and when trump and his associates were talking about replacing the top of the justice department, scipollone and philbin said they would resign if that happened. >> that is significant in terms of the doj. you also have new reporting
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about donald trump jr. and ivanka trump and this is specifically about the new york attorney general's investigation into the trump organization? >> >> erin, we have learned that ivanka trump sat for her deposition under oath before the attorney general's office today and that donald trump jr. had his deposition under oath last thursday. according to one source, donald trump jr. answered the questions that they asked him. he did not assert the fifth amendment and that is something that his brotheric trump had done when he was questioned under oath. one source says this was a concern about how it would appear if they refused to answer questions under oath. this has been a long-running investigation, the civil investigation by the new york attorney general into the trump organization's finances and into the accuracy of their financial statements and by answering these questions it does raise the stakes for them because there is still that parallel criminal investigation by the manhattan district attorney's office. we haven't seen much public activity and it had slowed down to some extent and they were not
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presenting evidence before the grand jury, but when i interviewed alvin bragg, the manhattan d.a. in april, that they would take a look at any testimony that was taken in the civil case. erin? >> cara, thank you. and let's go straight to elie honig. what does this tell you about the federal robe? >> there's been a shake-up in the investigation. for the first year and a half or so after january 6th, doj adopted this formalistic, bureaucratic approach. how many times did you hear merrick garland say we start at the ground level. it's something prosecutors say all of the time and it's not really true. you don't have to start at the ground level and you can sometimes start in the middle or near the top if the evidence permits it and the issue was why
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wouldn't they start near the top and why wouldn't they talk to people like pat cipollone and mark philbin and mark short a year ago. whatever the reason and whatever the explanation, they are doing that now and it's clear the focus has shifted from the capitol to inside the white house. >> elie, the other question, think, is the other development that cara was reporting on and that's in new york with ivanka trump, donald trump jr. in the civil case. what does that say to you, if she reports not taking the fifth? >> i think it's notable the distinction that cara drew between eric trump who did take the fifth and that's his right. you have the right to take the fifth if you think it might be used against you and donald trump who has not taken the fifth. you may ask was there some calculation made there. the testimony that all adult children have given here can be used against them in a criminal case and i'm sure they have competent counsel who made them
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aware of that and the investigation appears to have stalled out and there still is a very live, civil investigation which could result in a major lawsuit brought by the attorney general of new york letitia james. >> thank you very much, elie. >> president biden stepping up to protect women's rights in an abortion and a mother who lost her son in a sandy hook massacre confronts alex jones, the man who once accused her of being a crisis actor. >> do you think i'm an actress? >> no, i don't think -- no, you -- hear t attack, it shook. aspirin helps reduce the chance of anothther heart attack by 31%. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin r regimen. welcome to allstate, where you can bundle and save. isn't that right phil? i'm in the metaverse, bundling . bundle home and auto and sav ll a local agent or 1-888-allstate
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tonight, president biden signing a second executive order protecting abortion rights after the supreme court overturned roe v. wade and that coming just hours after voters had their say for the first time since that ruling in kansas. one of the most conservative states in the united states voting overwhelmingly to protect abortion rights. nearly 60% of voters there rejected an amendment that would have stripped abortion protections from the kansas constitution. today president biden celebrated that vote.
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>> i don't think the court has any notion, for that matter, or the republican party, for that matter to decide how -- how far it is an extreme agenda and how women will respond. last night in congress -- in kansas they found out. >> so kansas, it's a state where only 42% of voters voted forred by in the 2020 election and 56% vote of voted for trump. kansas voters have not lektsed a democratic senator since 1932, right? it's just incredible and the vote tally last night in kansas on abortion actually stands out because, well, maybe we should have expected this. it fits right with the most recent cnn poll which found that 63% of americans do not approve of the supreme court's decision to overturn roe v. wade.
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kansas voters, well, turns out they feel how voters everywhere feel. this november at least four states have measures similar to kansas' on their ballots, california, kentucky, montana and vermont. out front now is nancy northrop with reproductive rights who won a lawsuit and defied the constitutional right to abortion in kansas. the senate filed the dobbs case with the supreme court because it led to the court overturning roe v. wade. nancy, i appreciate your time. maybe we shouldn't have been surprised because polls have shown this. you're looking at a state, right, that overwhelmingly voted president trump and hasn't voted since 1932 and maybe you weren't expecting a vote this resounding and what was your reaction when you saw it? >> well, absolute elation was the reaction. it was so heartening to see that almost 60% vote to deny the
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taking away of the right to abortion in the kansas constitution, and just to take a step back, the win in 2019 that guaranteed by the supreme court in the kansas constitution, that was based on a close analysis of bans as' history, the language in its constitution, its protection for national rights and the supreme court of kansas says that includes bodily autonomy and the right to make decisions about your body and the right to self-determination and those are fundamental kansas values based in the kansas constitution and the kansans last night said that's right. we do not want our rights taken away. >> i mentioned that you're winning kansas in 2019 and the senate argued the dobbs abortion case in the supreme court which is at the heart of this because that's what led to the overturning of roe v. wade and the first in the country to speak has spoken and supported
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abortion rights so resoundingly. does this change in any way, nancy? does it help your legal strategy as you move forward here? >> well, i certainly thinks it low pressures that it gives the real energy behind both the other ballot initiatives that you talked about where again, voters will have an opportunity themselves to say they want their rights protected. i think it is a shot across the bow to state legislators that are taking away rights so rapidly in many states and it really puts the wind behind our sails. people were saying there's not a path to victory in kansas, but in the state of kansas, the organizers of that ballot opposition campaign that wanted to keep the constitutional right, they didn't listen to the naysayers. they said we'll go talk to people door to door and we are going to have our rights secured and it is such an overwhelming victory. >> so republicans say that, okay, fine, nancy, but this vote
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still doesn't matter when it comes to the bigger political picture. robert marshall from kansas today said while he's deeply, emotionally sorrowful, that's a quote, about how this vote turned out. he then went on to say this. >> i think voters come november we'll focus on the cost of gasoline and groceries and rent. that's all i hear about. >> so, nancy, do you think he's right? you see this vote today. you see it on slates and in a couple of crucial states, right, in november. will this really change much in the near-terms or is he right? >> i think what we saw from kansas yesterday is that voters don't see this as a partisan issue. voters see this as an issue of their fundamental rights and they really want them protected, you said it's what the cnn polling shows across the nation, and so i think this is what has
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happened with the supreme court has done has really awakened people across the country to the fact that yes, we'll still be fighting in court and we'll still be arguing legislations, but they need to take hold of their rights and if they can did that, then they'll be able to secure that in certain states. >> nancy, thank you. i appreciate your time. next, the case against alex jones now in the jury's hands. how much could the conspiracy theorist be forced to pay for lying about the sandy hook massacre, they warn that it's stupid and kriesz and it warns that the united states will now pay y for her visit. we hit the bike trails every weekend
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the jury just finishing deliberations for the day in the trial of conspiracy theorist alex jones. the jurt is expected to return tomorrow. they were tanked with deciding on the amount of money to award and damages for spreading lies about the killing of 20 children and six staff at handy hook elementary school in nowtown connecticut. alex finally admitting today that the sandy hook massacre is not a hoax. >> it is 100% real as i said yesterday and as i said here
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today. it is 100% real. >> jones' admission now coming after that the trial is, quote, rigged against him and telling his infowars jury is full of people that don't know what planet they're on. the parents of jesse lewis are seeking $150 million in damages. miguel marquez is out front. >> conspiracist alex jones facing reality, questioned by the lawyer representing parents of 6-year-old sandy hook victim jesse lewis. >> you and your company want the world to believe that this judge is rigging this court proceeding to make sure that a script, a literal script is being followed. that's what you want the world to believe, right? >> aren't i barred from talking about this? >> i'm asking you a question, mr. jones. >> the way court works is you
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answer a question until there's an objection. >> jones struggling to answer without being contradicted by his words or those being said by others on his behalf. just last friday robert barns filled in for jones on his info war show. >> the judge is rigging that this is literally a script. it's called a certain way for future audiences. >> jones' cross-examination follows withering testimony from scarlet lewis, jesse's mother. she faced down jones, the man who told and fanned lies of the mass murder at sandy hook never happened. her son jesse, never existed and his mother merely an actress. >> and then to have someone on top of that perpetuate a lie, a lie, that it was a hoax that it didn't happen. it was a false flag, this i'm an actress and you get on and you say, oh, sorry, but i know actresses when i see them. do you think i'm an actress?
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>> no, i don't think you're an actress. >> no, you can't talk right now. >> under three separate defamation lawsuits brought by the families of 10 victims of the sandy hook massacre. the jury heard this case determining how much jones must pay for his lies. >> sandy hook is a synthetic, completely fake, with actors in my view, manufactured. >> the parents' lawyer establishing jones made hundreds of millions of dollars over several years based on text messages from his phone, evidence jones didn't realize they had, catching him in another lie. >> 12 days ago your attorneys messed up and sent me an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every text message you've sent for the past two years and when informed, did not take any steps to identify it as privileged or protected in any
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way and as of two days ago it fell free and clear into my possession and that is how i know you lied to me when you said you didn't have text messages. >> i told you the truth. this is your perry mason moment. i gave them my phone. >> he searched the text messages on his phone for the term sandy hook and it came back with no hits. >> several different phones with this number that i did have. that's why you got it. >> no, mr. jones. that's not what i got. >> my lawyer sent it to you and i'm hiding it. okay. >> mr. jones, please just answer the question. >> jones' defense on his show he's only asking questions and the mainstream media is taking everything he says out of context. >> miguel, you know, it's riveting to watch that. the family of the victim here at the heart of this particular case is asking for $150 million.
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so i'm wondering from your reporting if they're awarding any of that what is the chance of jones actually paying money? >> that is a growing question because in a separate legal situation jones has declared bankruptcy, family is not only there in the texas courtroom and also in connecticut where they also won defamation suits against mr. jones, and they are concerned that he's using the bankruptcy court to hide tens of millions of there ares in profits so they cannot get if if those juries come back with big awards. erin? >> miguel, thank you. as we follow that again, that jury out tonight and will return tomorrow. this friday on cnn, don't miss investigative correspondent drew griffin's special on alex jones friday night at 11:00. and next tonight, china lashing out at the u.s. after house speaker nancy police's's trip to taiwan. we'll take you ukraine's border
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sending 27 warplanes into taiwan's air defense zone. all of it is part of an intimidation effort on taiwan and also to strongly protest the visit by the speaker nancy pelosi. before leaving taiwan today the speaker emphasized america's support for the democratically governed island. >> we'll not abandon our commitment to taiwan, and we are proud of our enduring friendship. now more than ever america's solidarity with taiwan is crucial. >> china's foreign ministry calling her visit stupid and crazy and added that before the u.s. provokes china quote, the result has always been self-hume ilw ilyagz and self-retribution. will is othere. why you are essentially now surrounded, we have these live drills as we speak sending a very clear message. >> and the message
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is, hey, taiwan, don't forget we have a defense budget and we have many more weapons than you and we could easily take you. it is clearly intimidation. and it is clearly a result of nancy pelosi being here at this time a couple of months before xi jinping's unprecedented third term of the party's congress. it wasn't supposed to happen now. it was supposed to happen in april. but pelosi got covid. despite people warning her, president biden, the defense department, the pentagon saying, hey, this may not be a great time, they went through with it. so, she had 20 very friendly and uplifting hours with the taiwanese leadership and they of course were thrilled to have somebody with a democratic career like pelosi's speaking to folks in their young smock si. 20 hours later, she's out and taiwan is surrounding opening.
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>> it's a crucial question. so, will, the foreign ministry says that pelosi's visit has severely -- i know it's really difficult to separate bluster and bluffing from a real change, right? and we may only know in hindsight. but from your extensive reporting there, how damaged is the relationship right now between the u.s. and china? >> i mean, it's hard to see it getting much worse except for the two sides going to -- you know, into a battle with each other. it's really -- at the moment, the united states looks at china as an adversary. but, you know, down the road, they're watching the chinese military continue to grow with the thought that maybe china might try to take taiwan, even taking into account that the united states might get involved. that's also called potentially world war iii here in asia, where there are a bunch of nuclear weapons floating around.
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so, the dynamics surrounding taiwan, it's what nancy pelosi said. this authoritarian versus democracy kind of clash that could be coming to a head. this island could potentially be the front line. and to try to defuse that situation, you need to have calm and mutual respect and maybe try to avoid making people angry over something that could have been rescheduled and might have been preventable. this is a trip that could have happened at another time and maybe not at such a sensitive time. and they could have still had it and we wouldn't have the ships surrounding taiwan right now reminding taiwan it could be invaded and taken over. >> it's important for people to realize what it's like where you are right now, surrounded by that, live fire drills, the massive might of the chinese military. that is, at the least, destabilizing. thank you very much, will ripley live from taipei tonight. and next, why ukrainians are accusing belarus of now being part of the attack.
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belarus. just last week, the ukrainian military says russia launched a rocket attack aimed at northern towns and villages in ukraine. rockets launched from belarusian soil flying right over small villages like this one. this video taken after another rocket attack a few months ago, these sights and sounds all too common here. this man recorded it one night on his phone. he says it is very difficult. first, you worry about your family, your relatives, your country. we decided we will defend, but you can't fight against artillery with machine guns. he showed us damage the strike caused after rockets hit his home. but he points out it's not just property damage. it's also many long-standing relationships between ukrainians and belarusians. belarus, seen as a key ally to russia, this ukrainian soldier patrols the border between the
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two countries. he was on duty the night in february when the war started. and he says armed drones were launched by russians at belarus. he says, before the war, there were friendly relations between ukraine and the republic of belarus. at the moment, we do not maintain any relations. he carefully showed us an area just a stone's throw from the border now mined. on the 28th, we saw missiles flying from that direction, he says. this bridge, that once connected the two countries now destroyed by the ukrainian military to prevent russia from entering ukraine this way again. it belarusians they once called friends. she says, we expected such an attack from putin. but we did not expect this from the belarusians. it's just betrayal. it's a stab in the back that no one expected.
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they are worse than russia. erin, as you just heard there, the feelings of betrayal are deep and run very deep in these border communities. many of these people remember when russian troops marched over the boarder in their villages. that is why the sense of betlal is likely to last long after the war is over. erin? >> jason, thanks so much. seeing all those belarusian houses after the russians had left. they did indeed come from belarus. thank you so much to jason. thank you so much to jason. "ac 360" starts now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com and good evening. tonight we have major new developments in the january 6th criminal investigation. the former administration's top white house attorney pat cipollone, who warned about dire consequences for the former president's scheme, is now facing the prospect of appearing