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tonight major new developments in the january six criminal investigation. the former administration's top white house attorney, pat cipollone, who allegedly warned about dire consequences for key aspects of the former presidents election scheme, he is now facing the prospect of appearing before a federal grand jury. he's not the only one. also potential fallout from those missing secret service text messages, on or around january 6th, late word that the agency might temporarily disable texting on employee phones while it fixes gaps in how it retains these messages. first, though, that could be a far-reaching, what could be far reaching repercussions from primary elections from five states last night, and deeper kansas a ballot to strip abortion rights lost by a wide margin. hailing it as a bellwether for november. >> in a decisive vote, in a decisive victory, voters made clear that politicians should

not interfere with the fundamental rights of women. the voters of kansas sent a powerful signal that this fall the american people will vote to preserve and protect the right and refused to let them be ripped away by politicians. >> tonight we will look closer at whether that is likely to be the case, based in part on who turned out in kansas and what polling reveals about how potent abortion could be as a voting issue in the wake of the supreme court overturning roe v. wade. another big takeaway, the presidents cloud in the whole 2020 election retry still has on the republican party. peter meijer won another ten republicans who voted to impeaching lost to election denier named john gibbs. democrats spent hundreds of thousands of dollars boosting gives us ties to the former president in order to make him their opponent in the fall. mister gibbs is hardly the only election july are in the ballot last. night arizona republicans nominated all slate. truly in keeping with the man for orlando said on election

night, kari lake, candidate for governor, declared victory in a race that has yet to poll even now. >> there is no path to victory for my opponent, and we won this race. [applause] >> she leads now. she has not won yet. however election deniers have won the republican nod for u.s. senate seat, attorney general and secretary of state arizona's top election official. as for conservative republicans state house speaker rusty bowers who refused overturn 2020 election rivals all's, he lost his bid to supporter of the former president. cnn political director david chalian, barbara birkenstock, strategist david urban, campaign adviser the former president. david chalian, what's the result in kansas tell you? >> well, it tells me that all the polling we saw nationally,

anderson, after roe v. wade was overturned, that bore out to be true in this first electoral test. it is widely unpopular, what's the supreme court did. it motivated people to turn out for record numbers in an august primary. more than 1900 thousand people voted in this kansas contacts, mirroring the 28 teen gubernatorial election had in kansas in november that. year why does not tell us, is that abortion is going to replace the economy or inflation is the number one driving issue in november, which it is likely to be. but this is a proof point. it is a proof point for democrats that the overturning of row can be a mobilizing factor for their supporters. it is also a proof point for why you hear mitch mcconnell and other national republicans urging the republican

candidates to focus elsewhere. talk about the economy, inflation, don't talk about abortion. >> the margin victory for abortion rights supporters in kansas actually exceeds the margin of victory the former president head in 2020, a very red state to begin with. what does that tell you? >> i think it tells you that extreme republicans or extreme positions are not winners. we know donald trump, when he was in office, he never won the popular vote, he lost the house, he lost the senate, and he lost those two georgia seats. he is continuing, i think, to lose. he's going to lose seats for congress this year, and he is going to lose governor seats. i think when you look at some of the election deniers that lost, that won the races last night, the winning primaries, people like he bumped off peter meijer in michigan, and now that seat is ranked a lean

democrat seat. something about the democrats help donald trump with that. i think we risk losing not only did we lose in peter meijer a great congressman, an independent veteran, someone who is independent minded, we now have an election denier who, i certainly hope will lose. we don't need to have him in congress. but really both democrats and republicans deserve to lose. then when you look at arizona, that whole ticket, that whole republican ticket, deserves to lose. i know david urban has pennsylvania. that ticket is a disaster. whether it's mastriano or oz, i'm a republican, but my republican family in pennsylvania does not want to vote on that ticket. >> david urban, let me ask, even kansas -- >> barbara, we need, him barbara. >> democrats didn't get the win in kansas on abortion rights on their own. they obviously had to head help from republicans who voted to keep abortion protections. david urban, how much of a reality check do you think this

might be for some of the gop? >> anderson, i think it's a wake up call. as you pointed out, in 14 of these counties in kansas, when which went overwhelmingly for trump by 20 points. they supported this, excuse, me they voted down this ban of abortion by 14 points. that's a 34-point swing. if you're thinking about it you're voting for trump and you're voting against abortion and so you could be very trumpy. and just v not for a complete ban on abortions. i would be careful not to extrapolate too much, because this is a bipolar issue. it's either yes or no. if you are looking at candidates across the united states, whether it's for governor, senator, they're voting for personality and a myriad of issues as well. not just are they going to be pro-choice or pro-life, mcconnell and others are correct in urging people to speak about things that are at the top of the list. but you did a poll just recently, and it showed all

issues that democrats care about. abortion is not even on top of that. so inflation, the economy, lots of issues to talk about. people are concerned about this fall the reinke higher than abortion, and i think that republicans would be smart focus on. those >> david chalian as chalian, we mentioned election deniers what does that in say about arizona would that say about former president's grip on the republican party. where the republican party goes in the safety of elections in arizona moving forward. >> you know, it says that a place like arizona, donald trump's grip on the republican party, the republican primary electorate, it's still pretty strong. you have an entire slate of election deniers, waiting for that result in the gubernatorial contest to see if carrie lake does emerge victorious there. but you potentially have a full slate of election is the desires in a key battleground state, one of whom the secretary of state nominee, if he ends up being secretary of state, he's going to have

oversight over the way elections are conducted in this critical battleground state, and he is a total disregard for the truth when it comes to the 2020 election. that -- presents a real problem to the democracy overall. >> congresswoman comstock, how concerned are you about the next governor and the secretary of state near zone? >> well, i don't think it will be kari lake i think shall lose. but republicans need to wake up because they should have been, people like mike pence and republicans who went in and supported her opponent, just a few weeks ago, they should've been in there a long time ago and in appeasing donald trump and his conspiracy theories, this has gone on way too long. you know, trying to tiptoe around it we can't be playing never old chamberlain's two donald trump's conspiracies in trying to humor him. we've got to deal with this cancer that is donald trump on the party, and we've got to cut it out.

he is just killing the party, and i think unfortunately, we're having a situation like we had with the christine o'donnell's and with the todd akins in with the richard moore docks, which unfortunately, republicans are going to have to lose one of the races in pennsylvania, like in arizona, and we're gonna have these bad candidates and until they hit the wall and lose these races, they're not gonna wake up. and there already are a lot of republicans who are supporting democrats because of these disastrous candidates that donald trump is forcing down their throats, people are just sitting back and saying, og, well we've got a humor the guy. stop you bring him he stealing the party. >> david urban, with the successful election deniers in arizona, we're still have some results to come in, do you think there's going to be more republican candidates running on the lie that the 2020 election was stolen in the midterms and in the next presidential cycle? >> listen, an election integrity issues are a concern for everybody. in terms --

>> that's not. >> barbara, let me answer. >> barbara, you haven't heard but i had to say, just relax for a second, okay? you know, whether it's on the right, why are people voting for these people right? that's a concern. if people on the right and left don't believe that there's, listen, i'm just saying barbara, that people of clearly believe in the republican party, they believe there's a problem with election integrity, and they're voting for people that you might not support, but they believe wholeheartedly that they're in the right. to the extent that those people on both sides in the political spectrum don't trust the election process, it's a real problem. it's a real problem that this country needs to address. and barbara, i'm not supporting it, i just sit just saying we need to figure out and be able to talk to those people and get them back to the center, get them back to reality. >> we have to stop lying to them. >> barbara, listen, so for many years i've been on this network,

for the first couple years of the trump administration where the democrats pushed forward a russia collusion that somehow in the 2016 campaign the republican party didn't win, you have abrams never conceding. so it's not just the republican party it's not just people on the right. >> it's not the same. donald trump was last week in washington saying he won the election, republicans were there clapping. a whole group of them. >> david urban, -- >> barbara, i'm not clapping, and i need you folks in pennsylvania to vote for mehmet oz. so police have them turn out. >> to david, barbara comstock as well, appreciate it. and tonight, senator elizabeth warren makes the kansas abortion vote, and what she thinks it signals for democratic chances holding congress in november, we talked over live ahead. and next, why the secret service which is already facing tough legitimate questions about missing text messages from on and around january 6th,

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investigation as well. cnn has learned that the man who was [inaudible] trying to do what was, right former white house counsel pat cipollone has been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury. sources also tells cnn that the deputy white house counsel, patrick philbin, has also been subpoenaed. both men have already testified before the house select committee. to talk about it all with cnn chief legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, a former federal prosecutor. -- would pat cipollone say more to a federal prosecutor then he went to the january 6th committee? >> he would have to be fourth. you because he obviously made a certain set of requirements that he would talk about certain things but now the others to the january 6th committee. >> right. >> but the federal prosecutors will want to know more, especially about his conversations with trump. because, after, all remember, donald trump is someone who doesn't text, who doesn't use email. so, the only way to determine his intent -- which is obviously a central issue in this criminal investigation -- is through the testimony of people who were speaking to him. and no one was talking to him about more important subjects

than cipollone. >> i know we have endlessly talk about executive privileges, some of them phony, some of them not. how does that get adjudicated? who decides? >> it will go through the courts. and it is not just executive privilege, here. it's also attorney-client privilege. because even though he is a government lawyer, the courts has held that there are certain aspects of attorney-client privilege that attach when it's a government, when it's a government lawyer. so, it's actually a serious, complicated legal issue about what he can testify about. there is also the issue of a crime fraud exception which would allow him to testify. but that is gonna have to go to the courts. january 6th committee, obviously, was really running out of, time because they are going to be done by election day. justice department is a little bit longer. but this could take months. >> what does it say about where the federal government is on, it within the federal department justice is on this? it seems like they have been calling -- or at least more publicly getting people. >> yeah, this is a really big deal. the change in the justice

department investigation. remember, there was criticism for months and months that the justice department was simply prosecuting the people who are trespassing in the capital. hundreds of people. but essentially, all low-level people. now it is 100% clear that this is an investigation inside the oval office, of donald trump. whether that leads to indictments -- [inaudible] >> today have enough personnel for this? i know garland says that this is the biggest negative department of justice has ever done. >> it's really just an amazing demand of the justice department services. they have brought prosecutors in from around the country. remember, you are talking about almost 1000 cases -- >> right. >> just at the capital alone, bringing people and love the grand jury, when there is a pandemic where people cannot sit next to each other. >> right. >> it's very challenging. the justice department, i think it's safe to, say has done an amazing job with the capitol rioters. let's see what they can do with the oval office. >> the secret service text message thing, now the secret

service says they may disable text messaging on employees phones. i don't know. two sources familiar with the matter are saying that. does it make any sense to you -- i mean, this is all under the umbrella of the homeland security department. did the homeland security department -- wouldn't know the voice of text messages from january 6th messages from january 6th, i find terrifying. >> the key question on this whole text message investigation is incompetence or malevolence? >> right. >> the secret service is trying to make the case, please, please, we are incompetent. we cannot even allow our agents to text message in 2022 because we don't know how our system works. i mean, that's a pretty appalling thought. but it is not an example of people intentionally trying to destroy evidence. someone outside dhs and secret service has to do this investigation, because they're clearly not capable of. it >> -- appreciated,. more on a --

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we're now in a red state like canisters and voted for a democratic senate candidate since 1964 could have pro-choice advocates a big win,

and a big turnout efforts for the midterm elections, do that we turn to the one and only senior data reporter that we have, harry intimate. how big a surprise was this? >> it was huge, it was huge. i very rarely get shocked by results but if you look at the polling going back to 2012, we said okay what percentage of kansans believe that abortion should be mostly or always legal what did you see? you saw about 51% were mostly always legal, right? compare that to the vote that came in last night, that basically said we want the constitutional right to abortion inside kansas. it's north of 58% right now. there's a huge gap between the two of those. you know, we always say 2016 had a massive polling era and trump was able to win. the pulling error last night in the state of kansas was significantly wider than what we saw in 2016. >> when you glean from voter turnout there? >> democrats were very -- look, republicans and democrats relative to 2018 right, in the state of kansas, saw their turnout go up. but in the democrat critic

gubernatorial primary, the sikh turnout turned significantly higher compared to republicans where the turnout wasn't nearly as high, right? so basically, we were looking at i believe a 76% or so turnout increase compared to 2018. on the republican side, it was just 46%. what's so interesting to me though, anderson, is it all the other states, all those other primaries. republican turnout wasn't up, not nearly as much as in kansas, but the democrat turnout had been down. so something very clearly changed, and democrats are really enthusiastic come out of both. >> does it portend anything about abortion in other conservative states? >> the line that i keep saying is, if abortion foes can't win in kansas, where can they win? and we can see that by the state rankings are people who believe that abortion should be legal. there are only 17 states that are more antiabortion according to an average of polls than the state of kansas. 33 states that are more pro-abortion rights than the state of kansas. and given the ballot measure went down to defeat the pro-abortion side by nearly 20

points, the question have to ask this, is we have to put this ballot measure on the other states, i think outside of a few states in the deep red south, abortion activists would win. >> what about abortion debate nationally, does this affect it? >> i think it does affect it. more than that, to me, the whole thing is we've been seeing in the generic congressional ballot since before there is a lead of the supreme court decision, to overturn roe v. wade, that republicans had an advantage. they are an advantage about a three point on the congressional ballot. what has happened since then, now that generic ballot averages tied. it's very clear that something is going on because traditionally, anderson, as a student of history, normally the generic ballot kind of drift toward where the president's approval rating is. and that south of 40%. something has changed in the my opinion what has changed is voters are seeing a question right now and seeing it is one of their top issues, i believe according to the polling, more people believe that abortion is a top issue for them than at any point in the past 40 years, and that i think is why we've been seeing the movement of the generic congressional ballot,

and we saw the player in kansas right. >> appreciate, it. >> joined now by democratic senator of massachusetts, senator warren, thanks for being with us. you grew up in neighboring oklahoma which is a district abortion ban, people from oklahoma, texas missouri, they traveled to kansas for abortion services. what is the outcome in kansas say about where this issue is headed in the midterms and beyond? >> i think this is about where we've been for a long time. the polls have shown across this country, that americans want to preserve access to abortion. they support roe. and it's sometimes by small majorities, sometimes by big majorities, but that's where america is. the supreme court supported by republicans in congress, supported by republicans and state legislatures, has become so extremist that voters are saying no, we've gotta shut these guys down. and now, the threat on abortion, it's no longer theoretical.

it's now real. we're not talking about something that could happen. we're talking about something that is happening. people truly across this nation feel threatened by what's happening. so i think that's gonna have a powerful influence. roe v. wade will be on the ballot in november. >> president biden signed, as you know, an executive order today safeguarding abortion access. he said, ultimately, congress must codify the protections of roe as federal law. with the filibuster in place, democrats don't have the votes in the senate to do that. where does that leave you? >> where it leads us is we need two, just count it. we need two more senators, democratic senators, who are willing to get rid of the filibuster, who are willing to turn roe into law all across this nation. and i just want to say pennsylvania, john fetterman? i'm looking at you. wisconsin, and all it binds? i'm looking at you. there are two places where the

difference between the democratic candidate and the republican candidate couldn't be clearer. this whole notion of contrast between the parties, roe has just made that as extreme as the republicans have become. the republicans are now the party that say at the state level, at the national level, if we give them power, they're gonna ban abortions for everyone. the democrats are saying that's not the american we want to be, we're not gonna create second class citizens, and we sure as heck are not gonna say the government is better at making a medical decision for someone who's upright and then the person who is, herself, pregnant. >> michigan congressman peter meyer lost his primary. he's one of the ten -- last year. democratic campaign leadership invested hundreds of thousands in propping up his right-wing opponent. is that an idea you like?

>> no. look, i just think that is extraordinarily dangerous. we should have understood in 2016 but having someone who seems outrageous and extremist is not an advance for our country, and actually, that person could end up winning. donald trump. but for me, this is a question of, we don't have to do this. the republicans are making it clear who they are. they don't need us to help them. they're the ones that they are saying, no on abortion, they're the ones who are saying they're gonna vote against any effort to deal with the climate crisis that's bearing down upon us. they're gonna vote against any effort to reduce the cost of prescription drugs for seniors. they're just opposed to this. they're gonna vote against negotiation of drug prices. they're gonna vote against any effort to say that these billion dollar plus corporations should get away

with paying zero in taxes. this is truly an election where it's not muddled about who stands on what side. the republicans have gone so far in a direction that is all about extremism, while the democrats are still just trying to make this country work, and work for everybody. i think that distinction is what we're gonna be voting on in november. frankly, i feel good about the democrats chances. >> obviously, republicans are painting democrats as extremists. but i know your focused on the major health care bill endorsed by senator manchin. you're waiting to see whether the other tough to convince democrats, kristen sinema, is gonna land on this. -- tax on corporations is one of the things she's questioning. according to his vice, he wants to get rid of the provision bill that closes the loophole which is a loophole that benefits certain wealthy americans, specifically investment managers. have you conveyed a message to

senator sinema? do you know where she stands right now? what are your thoughts on this but? >> look, i'm not gonna talk about private conversations. you knew i wouldn't. >> i had to ask. >> but, exactly, but let me just make clear what we're talking about here. we're talking about a special tax break for rich people. we're talking about how folks who live in a little tiny very high tax bracket are able to pay taxes on their incomes at a lower rate than, you know, the guy who runs the local restaurant, the guy who's the local computer programmer. americans understand that's just not right. what i really love about the direction we're going in with this bill, which i hope will get through in the next day or two, is that it really is a ground breaker in terms of saying, the rich people don't call all the shots.

on how we write tax laws. look, the republicans back in 2017, what was there one bigger completion? they cut taxes to the tune of a couple hundred trillion for rich people and giant corporations. this bill is the inverse of that. we're gonna skinny up that loophole and not have so much money going to rich people. it also says these giant corporations, amazon for example, that make billions in profits, and then turn around and pay zero or very little in taxes, we're not gonna do that anymore. we're gonna just level the playing field a little bit, and think what that means every small business that doesn't get away with paying zero in taxes. with every employee who doesn't get away with paying zero and taxes. and for every american size, i just want to see that the

government works not just for the richest but actually works for everybody >> you think you can get? that >> will take a big step in that direction. i think so. it's a good bill. that's why we -- i should be clear, we won't get a single republican vote. because it says giant corporations are gonna have to pay a little more in taxes. it says we're gonna cut drug costs for seniors, and it says we're actually gonna reduced carbon emissions by about 40%. in the republican view on that is no, no, no. senator elizabeth warren. >> democrats, we're gonna get this done. >> i appreciate your time. thanks so much, appreciate it. coming up, attorneys in a texas courtroom exposed text from conspiracy spreader alex jones that say he might've lied. that say he might've lied. plus an extra boost of support for your immunity, brain, and hair, skin & nails. new one a day multi+. your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer.

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>> in an austin texas courtroom today, a brutal cross examination of infowars host and conspiracy spider alex jones who is back on the stand in the penalty phase of a defamation cause for calling the sandy hook shooting a hoax. he was the lone witness for the defense. a reminder, this week, the -- lewis, among the 20 students

and six adults killed in the attack testified about the -- that jones inflicted on them. >> jesse's parents are asking them to award $150 million in damages. this is one of several defamation cases against jones firms and if families. today, the parents attorneys grilled jones before the jury got the case. cnn's drew griffin joins us with the latest. >> at the heart of the trial, it's obviously what jones had said about sandy hook and what he now claims he believes. what did he testify to about today. >> well, he tried to apologize. he said he does now believe, as he has since this case was filed, pretty much, that the shooting did happen. but he never can quite finish the sentence without adding a little conspiracy or a lie twist. in this particular case, he said, well i know this was real, i also know that the fbi covered to top. there were some fbi conspiracy. they knew about this in advance. he has been admonished by the judge should just stick to answering the question and

remind him. this is not your show, mr. jones. this is a court, you have to tell the truth. he just can't seem to do it, even on the witness stand. >> and i understand -- key moments centered around jones text messages. >> so yeah, so, part of the reason we are here is because jones never fully cooperated with the discovery in this case. and he in fact said that he didn't have any text messages related to sandy hook, which set up this moment for mark mark bankston, the attorney of jesse lewis, who lay this bombshell on the court. >> the attorneys messed up and sent me an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone, with every text message you've sent for the past two years, and when informed, did not take any steps to identify it i as privileged or protected in any way. as of two days ago, it's all clear into my possession. that is how i know you lied to me that you didn't have text messages about sandy hook. did you know that? >> see, i told you the truth.

this is your perry mason moment. >> perry mason moment. he was caught in yet another lie. there was no explanation for that. and it was certainly was mind-blowing. they don't know exactly what the tests are yet, anderson, but it was an eye-opener. >> drew, i want to bring in elizabeth williamson of the new york times, in the courtroom phase she is a book author of a book i've read, that's wonderful, i've read it, sandy hook: an american tragedy in the battle for truth. can you talk about what it was like in the courtroom today? >> well, i think probably the most notable thing, and this has been sort of true since the beginning of the trial, that has been going on for nearly two weeks, is how uncomfortable jones was. as the judge pointed out, this is not his show, he makes assertions that are not backed up by facts. and he tends to opinion eight an answer to every question. so the judge, repeatedly silenced him and he was sweating, like sweat running into his eyes, going into --

this was just not a familiar environment for him. and mark bankston mark bankston, the family's lawyer, really underscore that by presenting him with several examples of incentive-ism which he -- lied under oath. >> yes, outside the courtroom his show continues. but of his stick for the show is to say that this is a show trial, but there's a script that the jury and the judge are following. he even has connected the judge to pedophilia in a bizarre way. that moment, awkwardly, was brought up while jones was on the witness stand today, and seated right to his left was the very judge that he was talking about on one of his shows. take a listen at this. >> you say, mr. jones, that you are taking the court proceedings seriously. we are approaching them in good faith. but the truth of the matter is, you've been broadcasting, repeatedly, a picture of our

judge on fire. >> now. >> the person on the left of this image is our judge, correct? >> yes. >> the person on the right is another judge you don't like, right? >> yes, correct. >> i wasn't in the courtroom, but i heard the judge was chuckling about this. but you can see, that must of been a very awkward moment for jones to have his own graphic up there on the screen showing the judges face covered in flames. >> elizabeth, the jury was also able, i understand, to ask jones questions today. one of the questions read by the judge, i want to play this for our viewers. >> are you aware that this jury consists of 16 intelligent, fair minded citizens who are not being influenced and anyway? >> miss, i don't think that you are operatives. i don't think that you are part of a false flag. i don't think that you are and people. i think you could people, and i just am very very critical

about the whole process that i've been through so far, we have given, i believe, everything over, and then i'm always told we didn't, even though we're seeing. so that's why i'm really concerned. a lot is been misrepresented. what do you think prompted that question, elizabeth? >> so, anderson, if the judge was struggling in the courtroom, the jurors definitely weren't. because mark banks, and the lawyer for the families, presented evidence from his show where he was maligning the jurors saying that they were blue-collar people who don't know what planet they are on. that they were deliberately chosen by his political enemies in order to rig the jury. so imagine them sitting there, a couple of feet away, seeing this broadcast on his show. that's why they asked those questions. i appreciate you both for coming, thank you. >> thanks anderson, catch the

special report knowledge jones, megaphone for conspiracy, friday night at 11 pm. next, a county sheriff who despite all evidence accuses -- why he is not alone amongst law enforcement, when we come back.

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election deniers who couldn't get elected this fall is looking to members of law enforcement who might be called on to do their bidding this coming election. cnn's sara sidner discovered some of those officers already acting on their own, conducting their own investigations, despite all evidence on the 2020 vote. >> outside of kansas city, in the states largest county, the chief law enforcement officer has joined ranks with people who refused to let the 2020 election lie die. how many voted in the 2020 election? put your hands down. how many of you think your vote counted? see, this is exactly why i'm doing what i am doing. >> that is sheriff culminated joe sunny, kansas. last month in a conference in las vegas, still questioning the validity of the 2020 election results.

even though donald trump won his state by 15 points. >> repeat after me, -- >> nearly two year old certified vote with joe biden, when you beat donald trump by 74 electoral votes, more than 7 million popular votes. >> a lot of stuff going around about what happened in this election. quite frankly, i don't know. but i am looking. and what we are looking at is a whole lot of reasonable suspicion. we are starting to develop some probable cause. >> this, as he is assigned sheer deficits to investigate the 2020 election fraud. >> it is a long drawn out investigation. frankly, they have got a lot more to do. >> it's frustrating. >> that is the top election official in kansas during the 2020 election. secretary of state doug schwab, a republican. >> did you find any major voter fraud? >> not in our state. we do postelection audits, we warned a few states that they

would be audited before the canvassers -- appropriate data. >> had there been any people who have filed reports of voter fraud with the secretary of state's office? >> yeah, we have had about 12, but they were so nebulous. >> you have 12, about a dozen? >> yes. complaints concerning potential voter fraud's. >> yes. >> sent to your office? >> to our office. >> we tried multiple times to ask him to explain why he is spending taxpayer dollars looking into an election that is already been audited and certified. he declined. his spokesperson offered this. you know, we are still investigating that. it's on dirt investigation, we are not going to make any more comments on it. >> turns out, schaffer hayden is one of several elected sheriff's who say they are looking into mass fraud in the 2020 presidential election. something that has been widely debunked by secretaries of

states across the country, and dozens of courts. but their ideas are applauded even encouraged by an organization they are all members of. the organization? the constitutional sheriff and peace officers association, run by a former arizona sheriff, richard mac. >> our biggest concern now, at the csu a, is election fraud. >> that was your mask, the conference he puts on in vegas. he has formed a whole do paying organization around the idea of constitutional sheriffs, who he says should not enforce laws they deem unconstitutional. even if passed by legislatures. >> do you think that the 2020 election was fraudulent? >> no one knows that. no one knows that. people came out, like, william barr, they said, well, there could've been some fraud. but it would not have changed the election. he is a liar. >> secretary -- >> he is a liar! >> secretary of state from across this country have said,

we do know that there was not enough fraud to change anything. >> there could've been, there is lying! >> his view on the attack of the capital? >> i said, anyone that broke into the capital deserves to be arrested. but what the fbi has done and the way they have been going after people, and people are still sitting in prison without charges, without charles, what they have done, oh my gosh. it proves that the fbi will do anything they are told. there are a bunch of nuremberg officers. >> you just compared the federal bureau of investigation officers -- >> yes. >> the rank and file -- >> yes. >> to nazis? >> they just do what they are told. >> it is real disturbing to hear someone who is in law enforcement compare the fbi with the slaughter of people, people who slaughtered 6 million jews and many other people. >> okay, do you see how that could create, i mean, a really bad taste in peoples mouth's? hearing a former sheriff -- >> no, no, no. you are taking that way too

far. because this is what -- >> the nuremberg, he just compared that to the nuremberg -- >> i mean, but this -- >> you made the comparison! >> all right, fair enough, but let me tell you why. the nuremberg trial brought up one particular point. you can't hold me responsible, because i was just following orders. >> he says constitutional sheriffs won't, and therefore sees an essential role to them in the electoral process. >> i will tell you one thing, there is overwhelming evidence that cannot be dismissed. all we are asking for is for sheriffs to conduct honest and fair investigations to determine if there is fraud. >> now, former sheriff max contention that alleged january 6th rioters are in jail and have been sitting there on charged is patently false. there have been hundreds of

charges, some people have decided to plead guilty. others not guilty. some are awaiting trial. there have also been many investigations into the 2020 election vote. including in's own home state of arizona, there were official elections, and there was also a partisan look into this 2020 election. both of them found, one of them done by the alleged cyber men's, or the so called cyber ninjas in the county. they all found the same thing. that joe biden won the 2020 election. sheriff, moscow, not buying it. anderson? >> i can't believe this person was a law forsman officer. yeah, well. >> teaching other and law enforcement officers. >> great. sir sidner, thanks so, much will be about. how it feels to know you have a wealth plan

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