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let's hand it over to my good friend laura coats and cnn tonight. laura? >> nice seeing you, jim, 12 hours apart, 9 am, it is wonderful odds to see you. thank you so much, i am laura coats, and this is cnn tonight. no conspiracy theories here, just the hard truth. alex jones has to pay up. these families, of course can never ever be made whole for what they lost, but with compensatory damages, the jury and efforts to try. he now has the pay the parents of the sandy hook school victims more than 4 million dollars for the cruel and widespread and relentless lies that added to their heartache over a tenured period. now, of course, this falls way shorter than the hundred 50 million that they asked for in compensatory damages, saught by little jesse lewis's parents. a number of their attorney said that it came from a number of people
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that believe the false claims of a hoax, spewed by jones in his absolute basis argument that the newtown parents were actors. the number also factored into the emotional and mental anguish that the parents suffered, there i say continue to suffer from the day four years of harassment from jones and his followers. a seemingly last-ditch effort to try to save himself, including finally acknowledging what everyone else hopefully knew to be true, that the massacre was, quote, using his words, after ten years, 100 percent real. but the $4 million is actually not the end of the story, not in this courtroom in texas, because his legal battles are actually far from over. the compensatory damages are supposed to make you hole in some way, bring you back this where you are before this all happened, well punitive damages, they are meant to punish. tomorrow, that same jury will
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begin considering just how much to financially punish alex jones. the judge said no to his claim for a mistrial. this is after his lawyer dropped a truth bomb. saying he had two years worth of text messages from jones to his, as you saw total shock and surprise. jones lawyers apparently accidentally sent them to the plaintiffs attorneys, with no attempt to even claim privilege. as they say, but wait, there is more. it is not just this particular trial. once that punitive faces done, he faces two more trials, one more actually in texas and one in connecticut, where the attack shattered the families of the 26 students and teachers murdered at sandy hook. now, of course, the question is, will any of this stop the relentles s
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campaign of disinformation that made four years of mourning unimaginably worse? in a statement this evening, the lawyer for jussie luce's parents know that they are also do another one and a half million dollars in fines alone, for a total of 5. 6 million and counting, he says. to quote him, they are thrilled with the result and look forward to putting mr. joneses money to good use. mr. jones, on the other hand, or not sleep easy tonight, with punitive damages still to be decided and multiple additional defamation lawsuits pending. it is clear that mr. jones's time on the american stage is finally coming to an end. now the question is, is that true? and in a more broader discussion is well, about disinformation and if it is time to pay the piper, will that song stop and hold variety of ways? will it stop others? let's talk with our panel tonight. i have scott jennings, abby and david -- glad to see you all here.
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listen, first of all, it might surprise you, and i'm getting ready to tell you, there was a moment, apparently, where alex jones responded and called this a win for truth. i will play for you it in a little bit. this is where the spin is. what is your thoughts on this particular compensatory damages win? >> i am glad that the parents of the little boy are happy with this. if they're happy, i'm happy. i am glad that he can still be punished further. i'm glad that he will face other trials. this will go on and off for him. i hope it goes on for the rest of his life. he deserves it because he put people through hell. and they already get to hell. nobody can bring back what you have lost in some situation like this, but it can send a strong message that you cannot go out and terrorize our fellow citizens. i think that is, to me, exactly what he did. he lied about them, he terrorize them, so this is a win for sending a message that you
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can't go out and terrorize people. it is a win for common decency. >> let's hear his message. i want you to hear this. i teased for you, you think i am probably lying. i am telling you, the message he gave -- just so we are clear, i'm not playing all of it. however, i want you to hear how he is asking his supporters to help him. more money, here he is. >> all of this information, i apologize to the family and the jury, understood that. why did to this family's was wrong, but i didn't do it on purpose. >> abby, i hear you laughing, he did not do what's on purpose, tell that they were ten years? >> he is absolutely disgusting. i was asking earlier, if i am allowed to call him something else, but i will hold back for now. he is a horrible, horrible human being, who is just continuing, continuing to off
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of falsehoods, misinformation and the family's grief. it unfortunately is not unique anymore and united states of america to have people grifting on misinformation. unfortunately, we see that from the former president at the net states. that is what they do now. it is heartbreaking, and it is also dangerous to our country and to democracy. i hope this trial sends a very loud message that you can have your opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts and to terrorize people over it. >> i think the congresswoman is right, that jones is not the only one who does this. it was kind of trump like to be found out and yet double down on what you had already done in a way. he has wanted to sound apologetic in that video, but even before the video, laura,
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earlier this week, a few times he played this sort of everybody makes mistakes card. he said, oh, actually, now, i believe sandy hook was real. he said the media will not let me get past it. he said i did not mean to insult the jurors when the jurors had been insulted. because the plane of lawyer busted him yesterday with those next messages and with that -- i think if you are journal, you are not up to go back to the jury room and say that this was not accidental, this is not a one-off, this is not porous border, this was a deliberate attempt to weave a tail over many years at the expense of those families, the sandy hook families, jesse lewis's family. i would not guess how much the damages are, but jurors will feel entitled. >> i don't think this, just by your comments alone, is not being thought of in a vacuum. this is obviously as tragic as sandy hook is, we are talking about the backdrop
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of misinformation more broadly and a combination of frustrations towards that and accountability. we talk about the treaty of crafting, devers is actually used with the generous experience to describe the campaign that was used to try to get money off of election related lies. i think there is a broader conversation. are you convinced that that the idea sending a message -- do you think that the message translates more broadly, or do you think that this is so nuanced, they will go, no, no, this is just this case, and misinformation in other places, that is a separate issue? >> they are trying to apply the laws in more broadly, you will have trust in institutions. we have trust in institutions. criminal justice works here. >> it is a civil, case. >> our legal system works here. it took a long time, but it is working. so, to me, if you want to step out this kind of gifting, because that is what we will call it, medal at the
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institutions to their work. this one worked, and it seems like it will continue to work over the next several months or years. i think you can apply that more broadly. i think if you do something over the line, there are systems and institutions in place that will hold you accountable. to me, that is a critical issue. >> i found this curious. for some reason, this is not called a witch hunt. it was an institution working. something about that, right? so the weather process unfolding and accountability. everybody sick around, coming up, florida governor ron desantis bench is a state attorney over perceived woke agenda. the question now is, where is the line between prosecutorial discretion and politics? a suspended official will join me live next. he is certainly not backing down. we will be right back with that in
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is suspended tampa's top elected prosecutor. the governor says he removed the state attorney from office for, quote, neglect of duty and incompetence. that neglect appears to be a letter that warren signed along with 83 prosecutors nationwide. pledging not to prosecute anyone who seeks, provides or supports an abortion. >> i don't think the people of hillsboro county want to have an agenda that is basically a woke, where you are deciding that your view of social justice means certain law should not be enforced. >> i am joined now by the man elected twice by the people's number that governor, hillsboro county, andrew warren. good to see you, andrew. i am certain that you have quite a reaction to what happened today. i want to ask this question, though, because i think the people might not
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fully understand what's happened today. were you presented with a case, where you were told or had the opportunity to prosecute somebody, who was seeking, providing or in some way, helping to acquire and abortion, and he refused to prosecute? or was this a hypothetical that you were released on? >> you will have to ask the governor. i certainly wasn't presented with any case, and just this shows how flagrant this overreach is. this is a play in violation of the most fundamental principles in our democracy that the people get to elected leaders. it is how democracy works. even my eight year old understands that. >> you and i are but prosecutors. i certainly understand the idea of prosecutorial discretion. there are choices made all the time about whether to pursue cases, whether to not pursue cases. this is part of the job and part of why i see one would elect somebody to be a
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prosecutor as well. in that instance, based on that, why would this be a dereliction or neglect of duty for you to decide how to wield your discretion? >> it's not. that is the bottom line. it is not a dereliction of duty. in fact, it is not even talked about things i have done in the office. it is talking about things that i may do in the future for a lot that does not even exist yet. this is out of like 1984 orwellian thought police. i said that if a law was passed like this, then i would make sure that we use our resources to do with the people elected me to do, keep our neighborhood safe, promote justice and fairness. the governor is grasping at straws here. he is not caring about the people of hillsboro. he's carrying about his presidential ambitions. >> based on the caveat that you just gave, let me push back for a second. you did sign a letter that essentially said, look, i'm not
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going to prosecute a case like this without having a case before you, will help out having the specific -- you did say that if that law was passed, you then would not do something to prosecute. why would that be excusable, if a prosecutor's job was to enforce the laws as written? >> i'm glad that you asked that, it is a great question. because upon my hand on the bible and swore to uphold the u.s. and state constitutions. at the time, i saw that roe v. wade was the law of the land, under the u.s. constitution, and the florida constitution has an express right to privacy. the law that the governor is mad at me for saying i will not enforce, which, by the way, i said i look at at a case by case basis, is a law that isn't constitution that has already been held unconstitutional by the first quarter look at it. >> i want to play what governor desantis had to say. he touched on the very notion of the idea of not looking it at a case by case basis. here he is. >> we are going to make sure that our laws are enforced, and that no
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individual prosecutor puts himself above the law. yes, you can exercise discretion in an individual case, but that discussion has to be individualize in case specific. you cannot just say that you will not do certain offenses. >> so that's not what you are doing, you are saying. you are by signing that letter. -- he do still intend, should you be in a position to actually look at it case by case basis, is that right? >> yes, and i've said this on the beginning, where we are talking about the abortion law, that even though there is a right to privacy and even though that the loss was that the legislature passed is unconstitutional, we put those things aside for a moment, if it comes to me, we exercise our discussion under the new law, as we would under the old. there is a big difference between a tampa general hospital doctor providing
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abortion at 24 weeks versus a back alley abortion at 37 weeks. any good prosecutor who is following the law will look at the facts of the case and the law before making a charge decision. again, the governor is just upset that i am not kowtowing to his agenda. and one upholding the law here. on abortion, the law is clear that 15-week ban is unconstitutional, and i said i will not enforce it. >> i know that you have been suspended. what is your thought on the anticipation of possibly being reinstated by the floor of the senate. they don't actually come back into session until march. do you intend to go back to work tomorrow, nonetheless? >> i am going to continue doing what the hillsborough county since elected me to do, which is keep our neighborhood safe, and ruled by fairness and justice and rule of law. i donda for every day for the past five and a half years. i would not stop now. the reality is that the governor can sign some order in his pen or crown, and it does not change with the voters elected me to do, which is to serve this community to the best of my ability. >> i looked
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like it will be an interesting morning tomorrow in your office. andrew warren, thank you for being part of the show. thank you so much. >> thanks for having me. >> look, the context is as clear as the latest republican polling, by the way. governor desantis is the only republican besides donald trump with double digit support for the 2024 nomination. look at that, it is an inverse, 33, 44. look, i can do math everybody. i call to immerse. why is upon laughing? of course, i can do math. -- i get it,, listen -- governor desantis essentially had someone suspended and escorted out the building because he won't, eventually, look at a case in his mind, case by case, and doesn't intend to follow with the supreme court says he is supposed to follow or not follow. what is your thought? >> two takeaways, laura. number
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one, that governor desantis used the word woke in that speak, very intentionally. if there is a 2024 presidential primary, being tough on wokeness will be just as important as being tough on crime or china. i think a lot of things that governor desantis does going forward will have to be looked at through that prism of a potential presidential race. one more quick point, most of my life, republicans have said that the government that governs best is the government as close to the people. that would be the voters of the hillsborough county and his district attorney. if they don't like him and think he is to woke, they can pull him out in 2024. apparently now, the idea is that it should come from tallahassee or washington. >> the umbrella of wokeness is getting bigger and bigger. woke seems to be anything that is not what the governor wants, right? that is not actually the criteria for this, is it? >> scott jennings, how do you define walk? >> i will give you a macro view. there are republicans all over the country who are quite concerned about a growing number of liberal prosecutors who are
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more interested in there own ideological agendas, then they are prosecuting the law. he's not the only prosecutor that has said that i will not do certain kinds of prosecutions. desantis made an aggressive move here. everybody will freak out about it, but to give you a raw political analysis, this is his instinct that has put him up where we showed him on the polling. finding a way to provoke a reaction that gets him the enemies that you need in a potential republican primary the rise. he has done a time and again. he has done it over and over again. one of the reasons that he's sitting at the top of the non trump he is because he does have an instinct to perceive these opportunities and then to aggressively act on them, which is something that republican voters are looking for, as the potential candidates. >> i mean, but the overturning of roe, we knew that night we will see governors across the country
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and these red states, just tripping over themselves, trying to get further to the right of the next one, because they want headlines and i want to pick a name of themselves. but what we are talking about here to, i hope we don't get lost on this, he is upset that an attorney might not prosecute or criminalize a doctor or a woman seeking an abortion. that is what we are talking about here. that is where we are right now, indian and states of america. the state of florida, right? it is horrifying that we are even having this discussion, that we are talking about criminalizing abortion, but that is where we are at right now. he might win a republican primary, but he better be paying attention to what just happened thinking about this. >> you know, i used to be clear, the reason why we asked discussions, is a hypothetical, -- he kept going back to what? the florida supreme court said under a right to privacy, abortion qualifies. that is
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what he was rejecting. the good idea -- that is a point that was not raised in that particular press conference. everybody, stick around, back with some late breaking news from capitol hill. a key senator says they are ready now to help their party on major legislation. it's a moment many lawmakers have been waiting for, and we will talk about it next.
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we have breaking news right now from capitol hill and important is for democrats, as they try to get as much as their agenda through as they can, with the midterms hanging about their heads. manu raju is on the phone. manu, bring us up to speed, what is going on? >> a really significant development in a clear sign that joe biden could very well land a major legislative victory here in the days ahead. senator -- who has been the key holdout in the major economic package by joe manchin and chuck schumer being put forward for his health care loss on turkey, as well as new taxes, she said she would agree to move forward with this legislation after a deal she cut with chuck schumer, the senate majority leader. let me
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break it down. to get this bill through, you need all the democrats to be on board. sinema was one of the biggest holdup because of her concern over the tax provision. one of the tax in their was hedge funds on private equity. she has an agreement to remove that from this proposal. that is about 14 billion dollars on a plan that democrats estimate -- that she's also raised concerns about the issue about 50% minimum tax on major corporations. now, this will be confirmed for her because manufacturers in new york talk about how they were -- whether they would be able to conduct [inaudible] raise more revenue.
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she wants a significant change on that issue, as well. as a result, she now says she wants the deal to move ahead and to protect the manufacturing and boost clean energy from the steel. to make up, now that there are tens of billions of dollars part of the proposal, for the budget, democrats have agreed to impose attacks on companies that purchased stock buyback. an excise tax on stock buyback to make a petition for. the ultimate deal cut was doing two billion dollars. thinking is the back, laura, this deal
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would allow for medicare for the first time they negotiate prescriptions price, which has given hundreds of billions of dollars a day with queen an image-y and calm a change, as well as new electric vehicle tax cuts and affordable care act subsidies for the next two years. a minimum corporate tax on large corporations, by cinema. now that sinema supports the democrats agreements, they can move fired the saturday on another bill, this will happen all the day on saturday, sunday potentially. then, it is very likely that this bill will have a back and forth and -- when you pair back to presidents initial build back better bill, on party lines and move it into the house next week. now, this is all looking very good for
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democrats, but one big question still remaining is the senate parliamentarian about what provision can be allowed to be approved through a special process using to avoid a republican filibuster,, passing along strict party lines. and democrats could be a -- major legislative victory when which the public will vigorously oppose. laura? >> manu raju, thank you so much, i want to bring in scott jennings -- i want to read a statement we just got from senator sinema saying following this effort i look forward to senator warner to enact carried interest tax forms, protecting investments in americas economy and encouraging continued growth while closing the most egregious loopholes that some abuse to avoid paying taxes.
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one of the headlines varies the idea of a straight party vote. it's got cohesion among the democrats right now. it came down to an issue about the taxes and constituents. but she's no longer on the fence. she's moving forward now. this is far less than what president biden wanted for his overall economic agenda. but it is a heck of a win, if they're able to get a ton. it sounds like tonight they have moved forward enough to be able to do that. how is it going to play? >> first of all, actually passing this and having medicare negotiate with drug companies and bring down those prices is going to be a game-changer and life saver for americans all across this country. i kid you not, when i was campaigning in 18 and 2020, when i was out there it was always the number one thing folks with talk about. i held round tables and you had -- there's a farmer who actually talked about he was told he should divorce his wife if he wanted to be able to keep parents farm because she could not afford ems medication that
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she needed. i, mean this is where we are in the united states of america. when this passes i mean game-changer all around and just something that again, i am so grateful it's finally going to get done. >> glad you pointed out what's happening, outside of the beltway, because i'm from minnesota, near -- iowa, kentucky, where you from? he's from america. that's where you go. but we often think about the politics within the beltway here in washington d. c. as opposed to how this translates. how will this translate in your neck of the woods? >> couple things. first of, all no games will change until 2026, because the prescription drug provisions don't kick in until the end. it's a political matter. -- i think the biggest problem democrats have with passing this, we call it a win, but they've named a piece of legislation the inflation reduction act. this congressional budget office, the joint committee on taxation have said this will have at best and negligible impact on inflation. if
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inflation is the number one issue in the country and according to the polling it is you vote on a bill today to say reduce inflation and in two months and three months are going to the polls, and inflation has not come down, you're going to own that and i really do think they have a branding issue on this. i don't why they change the name of, it's so that joe manchin could go out and claim to get something. that's not going to change what's happening to voters themselves so the prescription drug stuff does not happen for years, the climate stuff is that in the future somewhere, the main issue is inflation and it does nothing to spike the title. >> you really think the voters think themselves the nickname is more important in the meat on the bone? i mean, really? >> if you tell people we passed a bill called the inflation production act and inflation doesn't go down or it goes up in the short term according to one analysis, they might notice, because they're already noticing it. it's the number one issue in the country. >> scott is right. it's a re-branding exercise by we renaming the bill. it's really the quadruple the, that baby build back better, the glass half empty way to
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look at this is democrats didn't get nearly what they started out wanting a year ago or six months ago. the the glass half full weight to look at this for democrats is that they learned a lesson from all the sort of heartburn and not getting their most moderate senators, senator manchin and senator sinema on board coming into this year, they got that skinny gun control legislation, because they knew it was all they could get. they got chips past, they got the burn pits legislation. they've learned now, we brand, get what you can get with 50 votes plus the vice presidents tie breaker, and move on. it's not what the base wants. but it's better for democrats and four the administration and with then what they were dealing with last year, which was everybody looking and saying this is a stall out. what are you doing? >> i want to hear with bernie sanders says. i want to hear you say to. he's been critical of this. he's given several speeches, very critical of this bill. i'm assuming -- he's going to vote for it. taking out the carried interest piece, which you're always
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going to argue, and people will argue, which is a giveaway to the hedge funds. what's bernie sanders going to? >> they said party line vote though. >> i've been critical of this because of what you just said. slim down, if he doesn't go far enough now you are taking at the piece that -- that he would probably like the most. >> senator sanders now that he's the senate budget committee chair is part of democratic leadership. he's not a backbencher. he's not throwing socialist firecrackers from the cheap seats. if he doesn't go along with it, then what is he doing in that committee chair? >> order the cheap seats? i don't want to go to you abby. but i'm still on the edge of the heartburn part. because i do have that. where were you saying? >> i think this is really going to be on, what do democrats do with this now? how do we actually get this in front of people? because at the end of the day folks are hearing things in many different ways. iowa in particular 74% of iowa
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voters are on facebook. and are we organizing people there? are we getting the information in front of the people who need to hear it? because you can pass good legislation all day long, and frankly i passed a lot of it's in 19 and then 2020 and yet it was always that hurdle of how do you get it in front of people. that's going to be the test coming up in november. this is a really good bill. is it everything? no. but it's a really good bill and democrats have to go tell people. >> might i suggest tiktok? it's a great way to get people. i don't know how to work it, but i'm just saying, i hear that's the thing everyone's doing. thank you everyone. coming up, cnn learns former president trump's legal team is talking to the doj about their january 6th probe. i wonder where those conversations are actually going. a new warning from liz cheney of the january 6th committee about what happened if the doj decides not to prosecute trump. what's she is telling cnn ahead.
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gambling corporations that wrote prop 27. it doesn't tell you 90% of the profits go to the out of state corporations. a tiny share goes to the homeless, and even less to tribes. and a big loophole says, costs to promote betting reduce money for the tribes, so they get less. hidden agendas. fine print. loopholes. prop 27. they didn't write it for the tribes or the homeless. they wrote it for themselves. new tonight cnn exclusive former president trump's lead team is in direct talk with the department of justice officials who are investigating, of course, january 6th, going to source more with the matter. they're telling cnn that trump's defense lawyers warned him indictments are possible. though the former president
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does in fact remain skeptical. the doj, meanwhile, is preparing for a court battle to force white house officials to testify about trump's conversations and actions around the attack. so, what is going to happen? let's talk about it with scott, jennings elliott williams and miles taylor. glad to have all of you here today. we all have the blazers on. you are welcome, america. -- it's a night of blazers. we are hearing piecemeal about talks that are happening and doj's get this information here. talks here and there. i'm wondering collectively, is this moving the needle -- and in which direction? what do you think? >> well, look i will tell you who it is moving the needle for. people who worked for donald trump. i talked to a lot of people who left the administration, some who have spoken out against him, some who haven't. including lawyers that worked for donald trump. but by and large, they think he is going to be indicted. not all of them. some of them tell me they don't think he will be indicted. but most of the people i talked
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to have shifted. it was not the case a year ago. most of them thought, no, he's teflon don. he won't get indicted. that's a big shift to me. that is own people think he's gonna get indicted. but forget x trumpers, people who work for him. who cares what i have to say? a federal judge in california said those four words, more likely than not, that he committed a crime. i think that's probably the most damning thing we have seen so far in terms of assessments of his criminality. >> what do you think, elliott? >> the fact that now they reportedly talking to the justice department right now, that's not really anything that remarkable. even countries, before they go to war, sent envoys to negotiate the terms of battle. that might be happening here and it may end in prosecution and may not. the most important thing, is look -- >> well, if for his next, that's pretty significant. >> or is next. the fact that you're ambassador -- [inaudible] i was talking to the foreign minister, absolutely. so, does it move the needle? the only person to whom that matters is the attorney general making determinations in the
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u.s. attorney's office. and i think that the congressman is on to something that what matters is the rule of law. and if the facts and evidence are there. yes, we'll move forward with the prosecution. it wasn't -- it's that caveat at the end, where she says, if the facts and the laws supported prosecution, we should all agree with that. >> we should agree with that. but people have eaten eating the cake like alice in wonderland and gone through rabbit holes to different worlds here. i will turn to you, after the alison wonderland reference all enough, i don't know where it is about to, you bring out the literary genius emmy, scott. i'm wondering what you make of the idea of, look, we hear and heard a lot through the mueller years. i go back to the mueller years because people had a patience issue, shall we say. and i feel that oftentimes it's conflating benoit with what's happening now. you see the patients or the impatience carrying over. sometimes democrats say, this is it, this is it, this is it. republicans say, it's still ain't it, it's still updated,
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still ain't it. how does this converge in a way that might work? >> i think you are on to something there. because during the trump years, there was a whole bunch of people that had it in their mind that mueller was gonna kick open the white house to our, wearing a trenchcoat, federer, and slapped the cuffs on donald trump. that's never a realistic outcome. obviously, did not happen. those people still exist. and they still want that outcome. i think elliott said it best. if the facts and the law warrant this, then the process has to be allowed to happen, except for one thing, there is a political question here about whether or not -- his administration, can, will, and ike the person he defeated, -- who may well be a candidate that is not a small issue here. so, there will be a lot of people in america who may not think donald trump did anything right or good on gender six. but don't think it's right for donald trump to -- the political question has to
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weigh on -- >> because the thought is he's trying to silence a political political >> that is how it is seen by millions of americans. you may disagree with that, we may not think it's right, but that is not something you can ignore, i think when you are dealing with it. we are in uncharted waters. >> i think you are right. there is a political reality to indicting the former president at united states. look at the mountain of evidence, we have seen the number of people prosecuted around him, at least in connection with january six and so on. it is a fair point that the justice department has to think about what's political fall might be. to your point about the investigation fatigue, i do think that you are on to something here because it is the first impeachment that i think people have -- the public has a hard time getting their heads around -- if i would ask everybody, how do you spend the first impeachment, well, there
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was ukraine a phone call. it is hard for people to understand, right? >> it is quite pro quo. i get your point, the idea to spend too many years on the very issue. i would be the last word. i am wondering about the idea and think about the fatigue of it. there is a political question, that is true. there is political consequences not doing it, as well. >> there absolutely is. that's where i had to agree and disagree it's got. the first case, there are few people in the planet that dislike donald point to me, i'll put that out there. i think he's generally one of the most awful people that i have ever met in my life. i would also be one of the first to say that does not make me want him to be prosecuted. i said that for years. we should not desired that an ex president be prosecuted. scott's right, this would result in crisis, no matter what. prosecuted, if he is, it will be a crisis in this country. to your point, if he is not, it is also a crisis, if the facts, as liz cheney said, show that he's guilty of a crime, because that suggests that he is above the law, and the president is above the law, that is not the signal that we want to send in our public. >> now that we know that he's being investigated by the doj,
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if he is not indicted, he will say that is exoneration. if he is indicted -- >> these lawyers are in conversations with the doj. we have had not the definitive decision by merrick garland. your point is well taken. just as we saw alex don't say, hey, a 4 million dollar verdict was a win for me in the truth, a failure to indict would create a similar talking point, as well. thank you everyone, it will not end today. we will keep getting more information. we did talk about sandy hook a little bit ago. they tore down not school when they put the new one. but in florida, they left a big piece of marjory stone douglas high school exactly as is that the date of that tragic mass shooting. we will show you why shooting. we will show you why they did that
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