lities. thanks for watching everyone. i'll be back tomorrow night and john lemon, don lemon tonight starts with don lemon. hey, don lemon. are you don lemon? >> i am, but you know. >> i'm going to find out your middle name one day. >> when i called to him on the phone he said, hey, don lemon. imitation is the best form of -- >> well, hold on. sorry. hi, don lemon. how are you? hello. how are you? >> see you tomorrow night. have a good evening? >> bye-bye. >> this is don lemon tonight and we are getting more and more revelations from the january 6th investigation. new tonight,

this is a cnn exclusive. the former president's lawyer is now in direct talks with the justice department for the first time, talks about his attempts to use executive privilege -- from testifying about their conversations with him while he was president. and we know that pat cipollone and his deputy, patrick filament has both been subpoenaed this week. this may be all about preventing witnesses like don from testifying about everything that they know and you've got to wonder why the former president is so determined to keep under wraps, when is it? there is more. sources telling cnn that trump's own attorneys are warning him that there could be indictments on the horizon. he is apparently skeptical, and whether they really believe he'll face criminal charges. a lot more to come about who the former president still talking to, even though some of his own advisers are warning him not to

talk to those people. he is doing it anyway. in the face of all of that there is this warning, and it's harmless training today, the vice chair of the committee sitting down exclusively with our very own casey hunt, and warning that if there is evidence against him, and the doj doesn't prosecute the former president, that would call into question whether we are a nation of laws. in part two of that interview tonight, cheney says that she is willing to lose her seat in congress if that's what it takes to defend the constitution. if defending the constitution against the threat that he poses, means losing a house seat that's a sacrifice that i'm willing to make. i don't intend to lose, but some things are more important than any individual office or political campaign. >> amen to that, liz cheney. some things are more important. she is right. things like the constitution, things like our free and fair elections. things like our democracy. liz cheney

says she's willing to pay a price to protect all that. we better hope that she is not the only one. then this story, i mean it's unbelievable. if you haven't been paying attention to this, you should. with the latest on alex jones, now forced to pay a price for his disgusting lies about sandy hook and the 20 children and six adults murdered there. but it's legal trouble, far from over. now the january 6th committee as a january six connection. the january six committee wants to look at those tests as lawyers accidentally reveal to the prosecution. we are going to tell you why. let's get now to our exclusive reporting, cnn's kara scannell here and harry lippman, former deputy assistant journal and former assistant special watergate prosecutor, happy to have all of you. let's start with the reporting. kara, your part of the team who broke the cnn exclusive. when are you learning about conversations

between trump's legal team and the department of justice? >> sources tell our team that these conversations are taking place now between the justice department's top prosecutor with leading the investigation into january 6th and into the efforts to interfere with the election. they're having those conversations with lawyers and the former president, and these talks are revolving around the issue of executive privilege and whether the former president trump can shield certain communications that he had while he was president with some of his associates. this is a significant step, and it shows how this investigation is really accelerated and how it's focusing very squarely on the white house, since they want to know about conversations from those witnesses that you mentioned. conversations they had directly with the president and with the former president had said to them. >> you know, nick, we talked >> you know, nick, we talked about this, about whether if about this, about whether if you are questioning any what's happened on january 6th, that the former president would come up naturally. there's some skepticism about

whether they're focusing on it. do you think that this exclusive reporting that kara has, that just puts it all into perspective? that that is wrong? that they are indeed focusing on the white house and the former president? >> oh, i think this absolutely shows that donald trump is a subject of this investigation. the fact that his lawyers are meeting with the department of justice lawyers now is very typical. the idea that they are going to talk to the department of justice into believing that privilege applies here, i think, is a pure fantasy. the supreme court decided that issue in 1974, in the u.s. phoenix in, with respect to watergate tapes. executive privilege does not apply to conversations relating to trying to perpetrate a coup or to basically stop a peaceful transfer of power. what's really going on is what is the typical dance we see between

the prosecutor and the defense lawyers. the defense lawyers are getting in there and trying to find out where the government is coming from and trying to learn something about where they're directed, with what their case looks like. and it's very typical. a good criminal defence lawyer is going to spend a lot of time in the u. s. attorney's office in the district of columbia, trying to find out as much as he can and also to be prepared to try and defend his client on various issues. that come up. >> harry, just in the past few, weeks prosecutors have subpoenaed top former trump white house officials. now we are learning trump's lawyers in the doj are talking. what does this tell you about the criminal investigation? >> yeah, so i think it is those subpoenas that prompted this showdown that made trump's lawyer say, oh, if we don't get in now and try to persuade them otherwise, all these

confidential communications that we want to argue are protected by privilege are going to come out. and what tells us is there looking dead in the crosshairs of trump's very conversations. and we know what one side was saying there, you are breaking the law. so, what's trump said, in return, it's going to be a worry very proactive. -- they at least try to kibitz and offer something. the question is, what are trump's lawyers try to offer? the law is clear, as nick says, and there is d.c. circuit law in addition. i think all they can really say is, look, if you guys don't strike some kind of deal with us, trump is going to try to draw this out as long as he can. cipollone might, but trump canyon evolved, intervene, try to extend it as long as possible, make every appeal. that is the only thing i think they can be offering in return

for some kind of favorable treatment on the executive privilege issue. >> i want you to drill down on something. he said they are targeting or looking directly at his conversations. why are you saying that? >> that's exactly what cipollone and philbin have to offer. they're in the inter intersect i'm. it's almost like the current equivalent of the white house tapes from nick's case. they are there, they heard everything and they can be forced to reveal everything. there was no privilege to them and that's what nick is saying, so you will hear, what did trump say when he was told this was patently illegal and we know we went forward? that's gonna be very strong evidence, both of his knowledge and his guilty intent. >> caraher, response to that and how is the former president reacting? >> i think carries right, the issue here is they want to get to the conversation that they've had with the former president and what his answers are, and that is so critical to this investigation

in order to prove intent, which is an element of the crimes that we need. what we are hearing from sources is that the former president has had briefings with his attorneys. that they have said that they think it's possible there could be indictments in this investigation, not necessarily against him, but they've talked to him about different ways that he could prepare his defence. what we've heard from the sources is that trump has been grilling the attorneys about whether he could really face any charges, and he's been skeptical of this idea that he could. his attorneys have also advised him not to talk, to cut off all communications with some firmer former and current aides because of their potential exposure in both the house committees investigation and the criminal investigation, and one of those aides that they've told him to cut off communications with, this is former chief of staff mark meadows, and our sources tell yes that he is not abiding or heeding those warnings. is still continuing to talk to meadows although one source says that these interactions are not quite with a used to be. >> nick, the former

attorney general eric holder is responding. this is what he said today about the doj investigation. watch this. >> my guess is that by the end of this process you will see indictments involving high level people in the white house. he will see indictments against people outside white house who were advising them with regard to the attempt to steal the election. i think ultimately you'll probably going to see the president, former president of the united states indicted as well. >> wow. what do you think, nick? >> i agree. i think that's where it's headed. what you are not seeing is a whole other aspect of this investigation that's been playing out since early this year between january and march where the department of justice indicted all the top people in the proud boys and the oath keepers. and out of those indictments for seditious conspiracy, they've come up with five cooperating witnesses. these are people who very likely were

communicating with roger stone, who was donald trump's eyes and ears on the scene at the capitol prior to the insurrection. we don't know what they've said. we don't know with the department knows. but it looks as though the department of justice is clamping down from two sides here. the bottom from the top. and at some point, they're going to have to make a decision as to the weak link is, and i think that is mark meadows. when he was first approached by the january 6th committee, he folded like an accordion, gave them a bunch of emails until donald trump started complaining and he suddenly backed off. but when the rubber hits the road, mark meadows is going to wind up having to take a deal, plead and cooperate, so that is where i think this is ultimately going to go, because remember, cassidy hutchinson testified that mark meadows was communicating with roger stone on january 5th. so, he knows a

lot, and was with donald trump throughout those days leading up to the insurrection and afterwards. i think that is where the weak link is ultimately going to be. >> kara, perry, nick, thank you all. i appreciate it. next, helping us get started on this very important knows. next alex jones learns the price that he will have to pay for his despicable lies about the 26 and seven year old kids and adults talked shot to death at sandy hook. but is it enough?

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that's how much right wing conspiracy theorist alex jones will have to pay the parents of the sandy hook shooting victim for the harm that he caused with his lies for the school shooting that killed 20 children and six adults. jones claimed in his testimony only amsterdam that a jury award of just $2 million would destroy him financially. drew griffin is here with the details following the story. juror, great reporting. we've got martin shear with us as well. thank you both for joining us. drew, alex jones posted a video tonight saying he admitted that he was wrong. that he didn't spread these conspiracies, quote, on purpose. i mean, give me a break. he also asked people to spend his money on websites to buy teacher -- t-shirts. >> and in the same video went on to say this is a major victory for the truth as well as saying that the whole

trial was some kind of a democratic party plot against him. don, he just cannot help it. and i do wonder if that 2 million dollar statement did affect the jury. they thought maybe this was a large amount. it is a big amount. $4 million, but the plaintiffs in this case, the plant -- the parents of six-year-old jesse lewis were asking for 150 million in return, neil heslin got 110, 000, plus 2 million for his part and his mother sandra, excuse me, scarlet, got another 2 million. a penalty phase ago, it is a punitive one. that is tomorrow. it could be a lot more. we will just have to see. but again, this is a payment and he did have to apologize in court. this is a win for these parents, and that's what they wanted. they wanted face to face alex jones to be forced to tell the truth and in this

trial he had to tell the truth, and he was also many times caught in a lie. >> 150 millions as what they wanted. they got 4 million. what do you think of the jury's decision? >> i was surprised, don, that the award by the jury was so much less than with the plaintiffs had asked for, but the plaintiffs lawyer expressed he is happy with the award. he says look, this is not everything we wanted, but this does send a message that although you have a right to free speech, you don't have a right to spread lies and vicious lies like the ones that alex jones engaged in. as drew said, there's going to be a punitive damage phase of this lawsuit that will actually start tomorrow. that is where these jurors will have another opportunity to send a message. punitive damages are all about punishment and deterrence. this phase will allow the jurors to award yet another sum of money, and this time, it is to punish alex jones for his heinous conduct, and to send a message

to others that may engage in such conduct, that if you do so, you too, may face the kinds of financial consequences that he is facing. >> is there anybody out there saying that the punitive phase is going to be a witch hunt, and you know, on and on? >> saying all that. saying that his lawyer can't put up with the fed, saying blah blah blah. saying everything that alex jones does say. what was interesting is he didn't say anything important today. he did not show up. i thought that was very interesting. >> did his lawyers ask for a mistrial, because they accidentally sent these phone records to the other side? let me play that moment. >> 12 days ago, your attorneys messed up an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every text message you've sent for the past two years as of two days ago, it fell free and clear in my possession, and that is how i know you lied to me when you said you did not get text messages. did you know that? >> i told you the truth. this is your parent mason moment. >> why did the judge

say about that? >> well, the alex jones attorney asked for a mistrial, you are correct, because they felt that those records should not have been alone because of their mistake, because of inadvertently sending it to the plaintiffs attorney. i don't know if you could follow all that, but it was just a mess. the judge actually asked, are you serious about a mistrial? a vast for so many mistrials in this case. is that yes. the judge -- the judge said the night. that was tossed out pretty quick. >> so you think tomorrow may actually be a bigger day as far as the damages? punitive damages? >> i do think so, don, but we should note that in the state of texas there are limitations on punitive damages like, some states have caps on damages. some states it's two times the amount of compensatory damages, others this for. i believe texas is two times kept state. although i suspect there will be additional damage is done,

but i suspect there will be additional damages awarded nothing near where we have not learned through those leaked documents, might be the financial worth of alex jones. allegations like $63 million taken out of his company. $9 million in cryptocurrency that was taken by him as well. his net worth as much more substantial than when he has purported to be. >> and drew, there is more of these coming? >> two more trials, basically that he's already lost. he's lost by default. it's just going to be the penalty phase, which is what we saw here. he's gotta go. he's got the bankruptcy court that he's facing. he has lots of trouble ahead. >> thank you both. i appreciate it. tomorrow, in a new cnn special report, make sure you join our very own drew griffin as he talks with people who know alex jones. the megaphone for conspiracy begins at 11. we have this just in to cnn. it results in arizona's republican primary for governor, there it is and you see it up

on the screen cnn projects carrie lake will win the gubernatorial primary. lakers an election denier. she was backed by the former president while her opponent, karen taylor robson had been supported by former vice president, mike pence. we will continue to update you. carrie like winning the arizona primary. the governor republican primary. a cnn exclusive, the sacrifice liz cheney says she is willing to make for democracy. the vice chair of the january six committee sits down with cnn and that is next. tonight, a

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switch to xfinity mobile today. tonight cnn exclusive. liz cheney, republican vice chair the january six committee saying down with our very own casey hunt for a wide ranging interview. she says that the doj doesn't prosecute the former president for his role in the insurrection at the

capitol, the facts and the evidence are there. that that could call into question whether we are a nation of laws. she said a whole lot more about her reelection bid and wet her work on the committee could cost her. here is part two of casey's interview. >> we are here in wyoming where you are facing a really tough primary. and in no small part because of the relief taken on in the january 6th hearings. do you expect to lose on august 16th? >> no, i don't expect to lose. i'm working hard to earn every single vote and ultimately, i really believe that the people of wyoming, fundamentally understand how important fidelity to the constitution is. understanding how important it is that we fight for those fundamental principles on which everything else is based. >> but certainly, what does that say about that belief? >> i think that we are in a situation where the former president trump has betrayed

the patriotism of millions and millions of people across the country, and many people here and wyoming. he has lied to them and it is a really dangerous situation. what i know to do is to tell the truth, and to make sure that people understand the truth about what happened and why it matters so much. >> why do voters here believe donald trump? >> i think that it's the same thing that you see for tens of millions of people across the country. it's just consistent lying about lying about what happened about the election. playing on peoples patriotism. and he is so dangerous that my view that at the end of the day, if defending the constitution against the threat that he poses means losing a house seat, and that is a sacrifice that i'm willing to make. i don't intend to lose, but some things

are more important and any individual office or political campaign. >> so, the period, august 17th to november of 2024, when it is very possible donald trump could be the nominee, the republican nominee for president of the united states, which is liz cheney doing every day during that period? >> look, i'm focused right now on august 16th and on my primary race here. >> the surely of thought about it? >> i am very focused on my primary race, but again, my work on the january 6th committee and the work we've been able to do, i think, to help make sure people understand the truth about what happened, that is work that certainly will continue. i intend to continue to be very involved and engaged no matter what happens in these issues that are so fundamental to i

believe the survival about the public. >> you've said repeatedly and interviews that you will make a decision about whether you are going to run for president in 2024 down the line, which makes sense, but the former president, donald trump, there is reporting that he could announce it in a matter of weeks that he's running for president before the midterm elections. how dangerous is it? how dangerous would it be to have former president trump out there as the only boys campaigning for the republican nomination? would he need someone to stand up -- >> look, i think he cannot be our nominee and they certainly cannot ever be elected president again. and i think that -- i know, that there are many, many republicans who feel that way. all across the country. and whatever is necessary to make sure that he is not the nominee, and certainly that he is not elected, there are many of us who are going to fight to do everything necessary, because the prospect of him, we know what he will do and we

know what he is willing and capable of and he did it and so we can never let that happen again. there is any one other couple because of trump? >> i think so. i think it will while republicans to tell the truth. it will require republicans to stand up and say, no more. we are not going to do this anymore, we are not going to embrace this lie, we're not going to embrace this very dangerous man. and i home hopeful that he will see more republicans do that. but certainly, i intend to be a big part of making sure that we protect a nation from the threat that he poses. >> what goes through your mind when you see election deniers get elected to important posts that could influence our next election? like that arizona secretary of state, for example? >> i don't think anybody should vote for any election denier, and i think that we have to do everything we can to make sure that people who say that they

will support donald trump no matter what the electoral count actually is next time, people who have bought into the big lie, that is tech sick to our democratic system. and i don't think anybody should support these people. how do we stop it if these people get elected? >> i think we have to make sure they don't. i think we have to make sure that we come together and form alliances across party lines to make sure that the people we are electing are not going to unravel the republic. and i think that will be a particular issue in 2022 and certainly it will be again in 2024. >> speaking at that, democrats spent a whole bunch of money trying to unseat congressman peter meijer of michigan who voted to impeach the former president. what do you think of that effort? >> i think it was terrible. i think that peter meijer was one of ten of us who stood up and voted to impeach president trump, based on facts and evidence. i think that all of us, again, across party lines, have got to make sure

that we are supporting people who believe fundamentally in our democratic system. i think that it is inexplicable and wrong for the democrats to be funding election deniers, particularly against one of the ten republicans who so bravely stood up and do the right thing. >> considering your past political career, your family, do you find it to be strange bed fellows we working with democrats where you have, on the committee, across party lines? you've encouraged democrats here in wyoming to vote for you. >> i think there are different things. i think certainly when you look at what is happening the select committee, you look at what's happening in congress, it is weird. i did not anticipate, certainly, that any of the things that have happened since january 6th would happen. i think it has been a the important experience. and i think it has been really

important, both and mostly because of the work we have been able to do together for the country, and i think it has been an important experience working together, and we talk about the fact that on our committee, we don't have people politically grandstanding or trying to score cheap shots. we are very focused on the substance, and we have vastly different views of many of the issues the country is facing, but we are allies in terms of the fundamental. constitutional issues. here in wyoming, we have same-day registration. it is the right of people to register whatever party they want to register as. and my message is one for all wyoming-ites. i represent every single person in the state. and i believe that there are thousands and thousands of people across our state who fundamentally understand why it is so important to have

somebody who is going to abide by the rule of law. >> that might be democrats who would vote for cheney? >> yeah. >> pretty remarkable. he said in your reagan library speech, many running the world and it's not going all that well. do you think voters here in the u.s. are ready for a woman to run things? >> sure, look, i think that one of the things that has been very moving for me over the course of the last year and a half -- the reaction of women. and not just the women who have testified, although we have seen the incredible bravery of people like cassidy hutchinson and sarah matthews and ruby freeman and shea moss, and caroline edwards. it takes real bravery to stand up and tell the truth, as those women have. and i think that's been really important. >> based on that, do you think your father dick cheney would want liz cheney to run for president for 2024? >> jim is a

big list cheney supporter. >> it's encouraging you to one? >> i talked him every day about many things. and certainly, his concern -- look, like i am right now, he is really focused on this moment and what is happening. both of us have this real sadness, frankly about what's happening to our party. and a real despair about how could it be that so many republicans would refuse to stand up and tell the truth? it is a scary moment for the nation. >> just like the record reflect that you did not say that the cheney is not telling you to run for president in 2024. liz cheney, thank you very much. we really pre-show time. >> thank you. >> such a good interview. she is so good on this, so resolute, and it is fascinating to watch. cnn chief international affairs casey if he cupp and alice stewart are here. there is a lot to get to after the break.

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he just parts to have casey hunts exclusive interview with liz cheney. casey is here with me along with s.e. cupp and alice stewart. would a fantastic interview, casey. -- >> [inaudible] >> we were talking, and she's doing, it saying she was resolute. and she is right on. and she is confident. and she is telling the truth and she is resolute. and as i said, she is lonely. >> she is -- >> fuse lonely, and the one thing that you have to give her here, and this is something that so many republicans in washington house just not have the guts to do, she is staring defeat in the face. and she is not changing her tune. she is not afraid of going

right at donald trump. even some republicans who we know or trump opponents, who privately say a lot of nasty things about, it went to distance themselves from him in public are not willing to go as far as she is. and extended beyond the interview, i went to a small campaign event with her -- and that's what you talking about with voters there. sometimes you will get politicians saying one thing in a national audience and another thing with the voters you're talking to. not with bush cheney. >> this is what happens when you tell the truth now? it >> seems to be what happens in the republican party. one of the things i think you heard her say there, and this is a challenge i think for democrats as well, is that if the democracy question and making sure that we ensure we have peaceful transfers of power in the future is going to require people who fundamentally disagree on issues, democrats and republicans, actually getting on the same page, actually protecting this. she is very critical of

democrats are going after peter meijer, the republican congressman, basically saying, it's -- >> as she should, as she should have been. >> this is the kind of republican you too has the kelly guys want more of. it really is -- frustrations here. understandably, stop telling me you want more people like meyer and kinzinger and cheney. and then democrats throwing up blood money into their campaigns. if i'm a democratic donor i am appalled that you used my money to do that. but it might not work out. >> alice, you heard what liz cheney was talking about. can her fidelity to the constitution. can republican stand up to the constitution and donald trump at the same time? >> we have to. we have to do so. and hats off to casey for a great interview. and it was really great to see her acknowledge, she is willing to lose her house seat, for what is best for this country.

>> you can stand up for the constitution and donald trump at the same time? >> rational republicans are doing just that. we saw mike pence do so on january 6th. rational republicans realize that we have to really make sure that we get back to what is important, fidelity to the constitution, re-implementing the confidence of american american people in the integrity of our election process, certifying the election results, peaceful transfer of power, people recognize that that is extremely important. and their conversations behind the scenes that that's where we need to put our focus. i'm also encouraged to hear and see that lose cheney, whether or not she wins on august 16th, unfortunately, it looks as though it might not go her way. what she has done for herself, she has created a platform, she has a voice, and she will continue in her effort to do what she sees as the most important thing we can do for this country, and as to make sure that donald trump never set foot in the oval office again because it is important, because we have seen what he

has done and the danger it can cause. look, as for what this means moving forward, and republicans choosing the constitution or trump moving forward, we know the numbers. he lost the popular vote in 2016. he lost it in 2020. i don't know and what world that he was the nominee, more republicans would vote for him after what we saw on january 6th. that's not going to happen. republicans are going to look at what we need to do, what is best for the constitution and for the country. that doesn't mean supporting donald trump. >> i can see it in your face. you want to respond. especially since you said, restoring the confidence in our electoral process. because that confidence has been shaken by the big lie. by a person who has been touting the big lie, and a party leaders, many of them, who were standing behind the big lie are not saying anything about. it almira? >> still, i'm not confident that republicans would not vote for donald trump in 2024. i think a testament about it is the fact that no one else has

gotten in yet. 2024 is right around the corner. and donald trump is really the only one openly saying, i think i'm going to do it. so -- >> casey, kasie, -- the chain is released a new ad feature your father. >> yes, she did. [laughs] >> watch this, watch this. >> he tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after voters had rejected him. he is a coward. a real man would not lie to supporters. he lost his election and he lost big. i know it, he knows it and, deep down i think most republicans know. >> okay you don't get more conservative than dick cheney. dick cheney is calling him a coward. how do you think trump is going to react to that? how will voters react? >> i'm interested to see if that ad gets further under donald trump's skin than liz cheney has. liz cheney is an expert at getting under donald trump

skin. i would imagine -- we will have to see what he ultimately responds with. -- i think the ad could play well and wyoming. it's a reminder the chinese have a long history in wyoming. but the reality is, the party their has turned away from both cheney's. they have turned away from the message that dick cheney is delivering in that at. if anything, i -- the campaign event i attended, i found more than one democrat. wyoming is unique in that they have same devastation. if you're a democrat in miami want to walk for -- change resolute -- if you go ahead and vote for her. but a lot of those, especially some of the older democrats who wray may remember some of the bush years, i'm not so sure that that helps. [laughs] >> not a lot of nostalgia for dick cheney. >> i guess not. but here's the thing that we discussed. i have one more for you. but let me just say, when liz cheney agreed or was happy, i should say, i want applauded

with the supreme court did, overturning roe v. wade, democrats and liberals who supported were like, oh, liz, it's going so well. you can't expect liz cheney to be democrat. she's a conservative republican who happens to be standing up for democracy in the constitution. you must except. you may not like where he stands on these issues. >> i -- >> must except her as a conservative republican. that's who she is. >> i also want to remind democrats of this. yes, she's a radical -- she's to the right of me. this -- misconception of whenever the republican breaks with trump that they are somehow moderating to the middle. and i have to remind them, she's breaking with trump because he's not conservative enough. >> exactly! >> yes. he doesn't care about the policy or the principles. -- breaking with himself [inaudible] >> he's acting in -- part of her conservatism is in intensive patriotism and duty to the country. that's something honestly, that

defined her father's political career. >> her dad is saying he's not telling her not to run. >> i thought that was so interesting. this was me as a reporter trying to move the ball a bit on the 2024 question. because i think there is a very good chance that she runs for president in 2024. when i asked her if dick cheney was in her ear the other day, saying, -- she did not say that he was not telling her to run. >> i would actually love to sit down with liz cheney to talk with her about the democracy, what is at stake here and what happened. >> she thinks everything is at stake. >> i think, to the point that you were talking about, you look at her voting record, it is very in synchronization with trump's policies and republican policies. this has nothing to do with her breaking from the republican party. this is, as kasie pointed out in her interview, this is all about trump's actions and the danger he poses to the presidency and to this country. and it specifically with regard to what he has done to the confidence that americans have

in our election process. and whether or not she wins her house seat back, clearly, she is committed to making sure that fidelity to the constitution is restored across the country. >> liz cheney is the type of republican that should be on the air, at news organizations, that we should be inviting to speak, because she is not lying about what's happening. she's not telling you it's not raining outside, clearly, when there's a thunderstorm. >> that's true, but you have to let her -- >> of course! because that's policy, that's what -- >> you can't take one without the other. but it's not about platform-ing liars and bigots and that's not what she and adam kinzinger -- those are the types of people who democrats, quite frankly, should be accepting as republicans, right? not necessarily agree with their policy. >> right. >> and these organizations should be allowed to come on to -- >> plenty of, us i mean, voted for joe biden. i don't want to disagree with

him a lot of supply also know that he doesn't want to break the democracy. >> amen. >> the way that she puts this is, we cannot have those conversations, we cannot have those disagreements if we cannot fix democracy. >> if we don't have democracy -- >> -- it's all moot. >> none of it matters. so, thank you, i know we have gone on longer -- this was great, thank you for joining tonight, all of you, ladies, this was great. i'm out. >> thank you, don. we have more of kasie exclusive interview at the top of the air, including what she says about the justice department possibly prosecuting trump. plus, will she, won't she? a holdout in the democratic party saying, late tonight, that she is a yes on a key bill.

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