sides of seeing them after the 2016 election here, playing -- fire far left. you saw them targeting a liberation group in st. louis and florida. also according to the indictment. they say the russians were promoting a california succession movement. a group that is promoted for california to lead the united states. it's all very much typical of the russian playbook. but as you can see there has real impact, real effect in the united states. >> and to be clear, homeland security, fbi, everyone is warning that the russians still do want to get involved in the system in the united states. daniel sullivan, thank you so much for your reporting. terrific,. great analysis. a lot going on especially with the breaking news at the mar-a-lago, the fbi conducting a search operation there. the news continues, so let's hand it over to serve sidner. i'm sorry sign. this is cnn tonight out of a big news night. the former president, donald trump's, our live go home in

florida has been search by the fbi. trump confirmed that himself tonight. three sources tell or sara murray and kristen holmes it was related to the handling of presidential documents including classified documents, those documents may have been brought to mar-a-lago when donald trump left the white house. house. in order to get a search warrant, prosecutors have to establish probable cause. at that a crime was committed. so, this is a very big deal. make no mistake about. it former president trump, has already blasted the move claiming as he often does, political persecution and a witch hunt. in a statement released tonight he says quote, these are dark times for our nation, as our beautiful home mar-a-lago in palm beach, florida, is under siege. rated in occupied by a large group of fbi. agents nothing like this has ever happened to a president of united states before. after working at cooperating with the relevant government agencies, this unannounced raid on my home, was not necessary or appropriate, such an assault can only take place in broke in

third world countries. the even broke into my safe. cnn has learned, donald trump won in the close in on his house, he was at trump tower here in new york city. i'm joined now by cnn political analyst maggie haberman, senior political correspondent for the new york times. the author of the upcoming book, confidence man, the making of donald trump in the breaking of america. which goes on sale in october. also with us former white house communications director, alyssa farah griffin, and former federal prosecutor chamois. the president says, this has never happened to -- of course it hasn't we've never had a president in this position before. i mean, we can say that right shannon. can we talk about, this search and how much, how far up the chain the fbi had to have gone to get this search warrant, the presidents calling it a raid, unfair, but the fbi has to go through a

process to be able to do this, correct? >> that's right. there needs to be probable cause. for the search warrant, it's got to go before a judge, no judge has to agree with the evidence that they set forth. and for something like this, as sensitive as you can possibly imagine. that the justice department, that's gotta go to the highest levels, garlands to know about. it he needs to give -- and certainly the head of the fbi saying seems to jewish. and they need to know about it. >> can you give us a sense of what you think this might be all about. i know it's an educated guess, from what we know, from what we've heard in the past and from some of the reporting that maggie here has done herself. what might this be all about? >> well, it sounds like from the reporting it's about the records, in the sense this is what low hanging fruit for the justice department. it's very easy to go look and see what other records there are. that's torn out of the prima facial violation. it's not super illegal, or difficult in terms of understanding. that they need don't need to run it through ages of -- analysis and it's kind of low hanging fruit. it's a little bit in line with

garland's approach, methodical. this is something that's a no-brainer, let's go see what we find there. >> okay, apparently there's been from reporting 15 boxes that have been taken out. maggie, let's talk to you you've been doing a lot of reporting on this. the documents being torn up, flush down the toilet that people left back, it's not funny, but ultimately the former president is here in new york, the fbi is there at his house. why do you think it was done this way, do you think it was calculated, and how dangerous may it be, if he would have known that all of this is going on beforehand? >> it's hard to speak to danger. we don't really know we're talking about. we will be held on to documents, that should've been returned to narrow. we don't know if there is additional information or seeking, we don't know a lot about anything about the underlying surest warrant or material. there's a lot of unknowns, a lot of people who are speculating on both sides of this issue. those who are against donald trump and his supporters, about what this means and there's a ton that we

don't know yet. what we do know, at least a portion of this if not all does relate to these boxes, these boxes were supposed to have been returned. the fact that this happened this way, indicate stuff was not entirely returned. the fact that it took place when trump wasn't there, is of note. the first thing i thought about, we know that he has been up here for the summer, and his club in bedminster. he's actually expected to be disposed by the new york attorney general in the coming days. i think that's been occupying his time as well. didn't mean he wasn't there to potentially interfere or were they worried about that. i think it avoided the question of the fbi having to go in and maybe be stopped by the secret service. or anybody else that was around a sitting president, that wouldn't be there if he was not there. so, beyond that there is a whole lot we don't know tonight. it would be good if everybody would just wait until they now. i know that's not how anybody does things these days. but there's a time that we don't know yet. we do know this is unprecedented. there is a remarkable situation, it's

former president that is not something that is done lightly, what is gonna be a search warrant executed this way. there's no way that merrick garland is doing this lightly. it's hard to imagine that he would not know about it i also want to know, fbi director was appointed by donald trump. >> he's a trump appointee. you talked about everybody is speculating. alyssa, you've been looking at the folks on the conservative side who are supportive of donald trump, how are they taking, this what are they saying because trump's already started the rhetoric that he's been saying a long time it's a witch ad, et cetera, except for what do you say? >> to be honest, the rhetoric from the right is already heated and inflammatory. and from elected officials saying. how unprecedented this as marco rubio put out a very strongly worded statement. which i was surprised by. i want to say one thing, one that isn't an speculations base, -- where to. let the personal office, the

save, to me says somebody pointed to. it is leads me to believe that somebody is cooperating, who has knowledge of donald trump's recent operations within mar-a-lago. who the is i cannot tell you that's not speculation because these documents that were supposed to be archived, many of them were classified, this is been reported previously, this isn't a small crime as a former tss sihai security clearance holder, something that's topsecret consider to be pose a grave national security list if it's in the wrong hands. mar-a-lago, as was previously reported as been a target of spies, espionage you cannot just take highly classified documents, and keep them in your personal office. that's a very serious offense. you don't even, and the final thing i would say, maybe donald trump's had the kind of things he would want to preserve, i couldn't even begin to speculate what kind of classified documents that could pose a serious risk to the u.s. if they got out. >> maggie, only talked about the potential that they're, there is nothing there, 15 boxes as you set someone may have pointed to where this was. what they think may have been there. we know from your reporting, some things have been destroyed. how do we know a bunch of stuff hasn't been destroyed? >> that's what that all comes

down to basically, everybody keeps saying around trump, why is everybody assuming the. worse there assuming the worst in large part because of things like the shredding of documents, and in some cases the flashing of paper. -- handwritten notes on it. and so forth. we don't know what the says, but there's a reason to assume, again, facing the fact of the genocide of an a search warrant, there was something significant there. it depends on -- is it something that his supporters would recognize as major. i don't know. i do know that his folks, i shouldn't say his folks but some of his folks certainly not all, and certainly him, have a long-standing habit of conflating legal problems with pr problems. at the moment, they're treating this like it's a pr problem, but it's a legal -- his folks but some of his folks certainly not all, and certainly him, have a long-standing habit of conflating legal problems with pr problems. at the moment, they're treating this like it's a pr problem, but it's a legal

problem, it may not be a consequential legal problem, we don't know what that looks like. i have no idea where this is going to result. we've seen investigations of people around trump, we've seen investigations of people around trump -- convictions. i don't know whether this is gonna be anything, obviously, an indictment of a former president should that be where this is leading will not be done lightly. but whether it's going to be something that his supporters see, as quote unquote sufficient. i think is the question. i'm already hearing from people around trump, to alyssa's point, if this is quote unquote nothing and to define nothing if this is nothing it's gonna rip the country apart. it may be headed in that direction, regardless. i think the argument from the doj would be we need to follow the law. >> it's either legal problem or a pr problem, depending on how you won apart post---former federal prosecutor sitting here. with us. as a legal problem, how big a problem with this because maggie's reporting, things were shredded and flush down the toilet. how big of a problem could this be for donald trump, will kind of charges mighty face if they

find something? >> well, in addition to the mishandling of the classified information. there could be destruction of government property as well. so, the thing that really strikes me about this is just how simple it could be to prove. that's why referred to low hanging fruit. if they find some of the boxes, that's the end of the story. i think that's the real distinction here, between the probes that are going on. i think it's sort of an open and shut case depending on what they find. of course, we're focusing on physical documents, trump doesn't seem big on using the internet necessarily or emails. obviously, there could be divisional reference to that. the fact that they are in their, in his residence, looking at his belongings. that's frankly, and norma sly, intrusive and it gives them the opportunity to find all sorts of things. there's something called the plain view doctrine, if you're there legitimately, anything else you see you're able to look at -- >> can i just stop and take a breath real quick. a former presidents home has been searched by a number of fbi agents. when you look at this

in the view of 30,000 feet, and history, maggie, i'll start with you how big of a moment is this, it's a moment we're all -- searched by a number of fbi agents. when you look at this in the view of 30,000 feet, and history, maggie, i'll start with you how big of a moment is this, it's a moment we're all going to remember? >> yes. we're all going to remember being together for this night. this is a night where you're gonna remember where you were. even if this doesn't end up ultimately leading to where trump critics and political opponents, i don't mean in the white house, of democrats. some democrats hope it would go. it's still a remarkable moment. we have seen six years of norm shattering, ongoing investigations of a sitting president, that he made more extensive by the fact that he kept trying to get his arms around the mueller. investigation we saw not one

but two impeachments. then we have had the january six investigation, and yet, none of that led to this point until now. i do wonder and we have not raise this yet, we've talked about sort of the confines of this investigation, i do wonder would we be sitting this will there be a bonus to go forward the same way again knowing what they're looking for. how january six not happened, i think you're gonna hear a lot of people asking that question. we know there's already two sitting grand juries, and actually i think there's a third investigation into the documents. >> real quick, i'd say to the point that maggie made, i hope that doj went about this meticulously. that there is of the -- if not it will tear the country apart. you're seeing it in the rhetoric already that's coming out for my fellow republicans. and i'm really hoping that this was done for incredible reason. and it goes

somewhere. >> alyssa, maggie, we're gonna be back we have so much more to talk about. much more to come on with the fbi search a mar-a-lago could mean for former president donald trump. the question everybody's mind, what might all of this mean for him. particularly, when it comes to potential criminal exposure, we'll be right now for more analysis coming up next. new astepro allergy. no allergy spray is faster. with the speed of astepro, almost nothing can slow you down. because astepro starts working in 30 minutes, while other allergy sprays take hours. and astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free allergy spray. now without a prescription. astepro and go.

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we are following the latest on the fbi search and former president trump's mar-a-lago reserve. his current president. just part of an investigation into the handling of presidential documents including classified documents. he's already branding himself the victim of a witch hunt by the political establishment. we have great gas here tonight, -- are all here are, still with me. i want to go back to something you said, just before the break, both of you. this is gonna tear the country apart. if there is no -- what do you mean by tear the

country apart, do you mean the president's gonna launch and try to get his supporters to launch some massive what? >> i think's statement already was inflammatory. you know saying that this is something that's never happened before, weaponization of our institutions, elected republicans are echoing that i haven't really seen any come out yet with the kind of let this play out and see what's going on, putting some degree of faith in our institutions of the department of justice. one thing i will note is this, a narrative you're gonna hear from the right, is the fact that hillary clinton mishandled classified information. something that by the way i criticize when she did it, her home wasn't rated. you're gonna start to see this narrative pick up of how it's completely different treatment for him, he loves to be the victim. it's something he does very effectively. i would know, away into extremist right-wing networks that this is war. they put out a statement saying that i think we need to be very

careful in the next few days, as this plays out and how we're talking about it. i would implore republican leaders to as well. >> maggie, what do you think this means when you talk about the fact that you're hearing, this is war. i know we're all seeing, it's on social media, it's coming out of some of these far-right publications. it's gonna be all over the place tomorrow, but does that mean? >> i think all we need to do is look back at january six, right, there's such concern about rhetoric that gets used in politics around specific moments. and specifically by former president trump. the main point of the january six committee, house select committee, investigating what took place has made is that donald trump rallied people. that -- according to them, knowing that they were carrying weapons are things that can be used as weapons. and sent them on a march up to the capitol. now, his folks always point of the fact that he used the world peaceful in a speech before that.

that's fine, but a lot of these folks may be very clear in what they said to journalist and others afterwards, to doj in some places. they felt like they were being sent there by donald trump. he is the power, he's been honing this for six years, seven years. to motivate his followers, his supporters, to do things. it's like he says, it's unlike any political movement we've ever seen this country. it's probably not completely true historically, because of that it's not a power that he tends to reflect on. he -- defend me, defend me is always donald trump's argument whether it's the people working directly towards him or the people that love him. i go back in memory every time, to what happened after the access hollywood tape in 2016, when he came downstairs from trump tower and immersed himself in the crowd. and that is sort of his playbook, that can have serious consequences. so, rather than waiting to see. i was thinking actually, you're talking about hillary clinton,

and her home wasn't rated. but she was investigated for over a year. her server, was subpoenaed. >> she testified to congress. >> yes she testified. presidential campaign was impacted by a. i think the idea that, this just happened and what shrugged off is not historically accurate. but it it is how these people will frame it. >> i do want to ask you, shyann, what the criminal exposure might be if indeed it's found of the former president destroyed documents which would be government property. or had kept documents, that he should not have instead of return them? >> all that matters is -- we often talk about is this a felony, misdemeanor, converting government property for yang hughes could be a ten-year felony. before the internet pulls up and says, ten your felony, you need to keep in mind what is the context of the digital -- going to show. he has prior criminal record. when you go into the sentencing

god lines are not necessarily looking at life without parole. will manage our expectations. critically, any conviction of a former president, is enormously significant. particularly for this man, he's had so many allegations, so many people close to him, michael cohen saying all these things thus far nothing's happened, this could be the breaking down, filing if you have probable cause first time we're seeing probable cause in front of a judge for the search warrants. and there is a charge, this conviction that's the break in the dam following. >> isn't the thing he can't rum? >> i don't think he will run if he's indicted. we will see the presidential if it hasn't already but i do want to make one point, a lot of the reason that we didn't see indictments, potentially. or other aspects of the investigation in the previous instances is because he was the sitting president, he's not a sitting president now. the doc, justice department legal opinions if you can't

indict a sitting president. he's not a president anymore. i think that you've seen him struggle with that, struggle with being out of office, what that looks like. he does not have that protection, a lot of people around him, a lot of people close to him are very blunt in open. but they believe part of the reason that he was running for president and there are many that he will run if he does run he loses the attention if he does around he uses the building -- if he doesn't run but he also gains potential shield against prosecution. people shouldn't underestimate that as a motivating factor. >> political, which is already happening -- >> or get elected and not get charged. >> alyssa, you're around you've been around all the people that were around him. are you hearing from them, are you hearing anything fro m them,

are you seeing what they're saying, and what are they saying about this? >> my worlds have been disconnected from that. but what i am seeing, is a standard party line from the folks still folks to close to the former president. this is a witch hunt. [interpreter] [interpreter] -- -- the best answer here, is to actually act, follow the law, and charge for crimes. >> all right, maggie haberman, thank you i know that you're behind. so, you need to go. that's difficult. alyssa and sean you're gonna stick around with me. donald trump has complained about being persecuted at cpac this weekend. that was before the charges. he raised the prospect of running again and siezed america's culture wars. how does that all read now, after this major development, the fbi searching his home mar-a-lago. we'll be back.

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right now i want whatever chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins. she's getting new information on the search at mar-a-lago. caitlin, what are you hearing? >> we are learning more about

would have been in the league of -- executed at the former president primary residence in florida. it was a meeting that happened in early june, when a handful of investigators went to palm beach florida. they met with several of the attorneys while they're. we are told that during this meeting that the former president stopped by and greeted these investigators who are meeting with 2 of his attorneys at mar-a-lago. we are told he did not stay or answer questions according to sources telling me that and my colleague, but then after he left, the 2 attorneys that were meeting with these investigators at mar-a-lago, they took him to the basement room at mar-a-lago, the property, there and show them where the boxes of documents that were taken from trump's -- were being stored. we are told it is investigators looked around the room and they left. i'm told by a person who attended that meeting that 5 days later, trump's attorneys got a letter from one of those investigators asking them to further secure the documents and have room where these documents were being stored. i'm told it was locked and they asked him to further enhance

the security essentially and that led trump's aides to then put a padlock on the door where these documents were being stored and that really just gives insight into the fact that there have been discussions between investigators and the former presidents attorney in the lead up to the search warrant being executed. of course, june 8th, that was 2 months ago today. what happened in those 8 weeks that led this from going from investigators visiting mar-a-lago to the search warrants being executed? that is still a gap that remains to be filled. it remains to be seen. it sheds light into what's happening in the lead up to this, and it appears to be part of which trump was referencing in his statement today, confirming that the rate had happened where he talked about how he had been cooperating with these officials about this. there's a lot of big questions coming out of this development tonight, but it does shed light on a meeting, around meeting that investigators had with trump attorneys that marlar go 2 months ago. >> can i just quickly ask you

to clarify, trump's own attorneys show these investigators where they were some documents, and then the asked them to secure those documents, padlock the door however they wanted to secure them. that's the sequence of things? >> i don't think that they specifically said you need to put a padlock on the door, but i was told days later after those investigators had left mar-a-lago, they sent a letter to trump's attorneys asking them to further enhance the security for these documents regarding these documents. of course, part of this major investigation is whether or not it includes classified information, potentially, and so you can understand why they would want them to be secured. that is obviously a number one priority and white things like the president -- exists.

but it shows there were conversations between the 2 sides about what was happening. with documents are being stored. with documents there were exactly, remains to be seen. trump did stop behind this meeting that his attorneys were having with investigators. we are told -- he was at the property at the time of this visit happening in june in mar-a-lago. >> can you clarify if the white house knew that this was happening today? there was going to be an fbi search of the former presidents home? >> it's a major development, and there are big questions about who at the white house was where this, if anyone was aware, we are told that most officials were not aware of this, that they found out, when everyone else found, out when trump confirmed that yes, this raid had happened. major questions for whether or not brighten himself knew. we don't have reporting on that front specifically. we have also reached out to the justice department to comment on this and they have not done so yet. clearly, this is an active offense vested nation.

it has been a major question as well. >> kaitlan collins, thank you for bringing us the latest update on this huge news. we are again joined by former federal prosecutor -- are back with me as well as john avalon, also joining us. happy to have you here. you have the best insight. we all have great insight into what's happening. this is really interesting. as we just heard, donald trump himself saw these investigators coming and talking to attorneys, and call me crazy, is it odd that the attorneys showed the investigators wear these documents, i guess, or? >> not necessarily. at that point they're trying to make things seem like everything is okay and you don't have to be concerned about this and making sure -- the talk about leaving the fox in charge of the chicken coop. those assurances, we're going to padlock the door?

it's questionable. that's 2nd guessing. 2020 hindsight. something happened between that meeting and the search warrant to take away and trust of confidence that the investigators and dj half that they were going to get that cooperation. it is fine that trump could talk about cooperation. some things happen where there is no longer confidence that those records are safe. that's why search warrants happen. >> [inaudible] you think what may have happened is that somebody said there is stuff in there -- >> it seems very clear that somebody pointed the finger. this is just way too specific, knowing his private residence. he has multiple residences. they tried his office. and hearing kaitlan's reporting, which is different than what we even you an hour ago, this to be sounds like these are highly classified national security documents. i wouldn't be surprised if they were head of state exchanges of some sort. maybe something he kept as something as kind of a momentum. but i could have national

security repercussions. the idea of securing it, when you are protecting those documents. they do have to be in a lock setting, in a sort of preservation, leaving them on site is very odd, but if there was a legal back and forth perhaps of his attorney exclaiming of the former president maybe he had some sort of -- >> he said they broke into the safe. i don't know if that's exactly where they were -- >> that to me, i can't imagine the department of justice and the fbi would be this worried about something if there was -- >> john, you have great insight. into presidential history. what do you think is going on here? >> remember first of all, presidents don't own their records. they belong to the american people. when we found out about this, that the president had taken boxes of information and things that perhaps -- maybe he just sat sentimental -- maybe they had national security implications. wet i'm struck by is that when he was busted for taking those documents, is that they weren't in the process of being shipped or sailed back to the federal government where they belonged. historians can study them. the fact that they still were in his possession i find

curious. there's the question of, what was in the safe? white's -- presidential records act is a serious thing. destroying things is particularly serious. there's statutes that go with that. people have been treated for a misdemeanor, others in jail. but to after president, an ex president in this way, will once again in uncharted territory. there is nothing remotely like this in american history. the idea that this is in effect a misdemeanor that the fbi decided to raid his primary residence, i find that unlikely. again, given what we know now, which is the caveat -- >> we are at the beginning of this. this is a highly unusual -- president said it himself. it is highly unusual. this is also a highly unusual time in american history. with a highly unusual actions by a president. i want to talk to you about extremism. you've covered a lot of this. as we both have. can you give me a sense of know

that this is out there, and the right is responding to the establishment that is responding to it. and supporting donald trump at this point. alyssa has looked at that as well. which might the reaction be by groups like the oath keepers, the proud boys, the 3 percenters? >> you and i both have studied and interviewed the 3 percenters, the militia groups, the village anti groups. they played a role in january 6. i think you will see many of them say that this is the tyrannical federal government we were warning about. i think you will see some groups and politicians fundraising of this with some degree of knock outrage. but it will become a rallying cry. that's why we both need to take a deep breath, but need to recognize also that hope that the deal adjacent credibly buttoned up before taking this kind of an action. this is not a first choice or a 2nd choice. this must be something that

involves serious national security implications. time will tell. but you do not raid a former president's home in this way if you could have gotten these documents in any other way or if they were effectively momentous. but the far right and radical groups, this will become the new call to the ramparts. it further rashes as -- you and i discuss the select. it was underappreciated last week that the fbi director said the political violence and threats are now a daily occurrence for america. that is dangerous. that is not normal. there's more fuel on that fire. >> anybody in the political position of power or anybody online who speaks out. they're getting those threats. alyssa ferrer griffin, john avlon, thank you, will. coming up, another important story. ahmaud arbery's mother speaks to me after another emotionally charged day since her son's murder at the hands of the racists. the man responsible for the murder were sentenced federally today. she will tell us about the extraordinary choice she has made. that is coming up next.

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justice for ahmaud arbery -- federal judge added a lot more prison time for the three convicted murderers. father and son gregory and travis mcmichael or both given

additional life sentences, while their accomplice william roddie bryan, was sentenced to 35 years in prison. already sentenced in state court. the additional punishment comes after a jury found that the three white men were motivated by racism, when they chased and shot the 25-year-old black man. who was simply jogging through their neighborhood. joining me now, is wanda crip jones, ahmaud arbery's mother, and lee merritt, the attorney for the arbery family. wanda and lee, thank you for taking the time to meet on such an emotional day. >> thank you for having us. >> we're getting this sentence, two and a half years after your son was killed. when you're in the court, can you give me a sense, wanda, of what it's like to be in another courtroom and this time being

able to listen to these men and speak your mind? >> today was a great day. i would say waited on this day for actually the last two and a half years. we finally got to the finish mark for the federal case. i was very, very eager to find out what each defendant had to say. and for an apology. personally, i didn't get one from travis, but i was able to get one from william and greg mcmichael. >> i want to give our viewers a sense of what gregory mcmichael did say to you. and we're gonna pull that up right now. i he apologize to you and here is what he said the loss that we've herbed, beyond description there's no words for it. i'm sure the words, my words mean little to you but i would assure you, i never wanted any of this to happen. to you. as he, he goes on to say there wasn't any malice in my heart, my son's hard that day. he apologized, travis did not.

did you accept his apology, if you did why? >> i accepted the apology. i accepted it, but i did not forgive him for what he did. i'm thinking, he sat in jail for the last two and a half years, and he's made a very bad decision. and he wanted to say he was sorry so i did except it but i haven't forgave him. >> can you give me a sense, take me into the courtroom with you. you've been i was there and state court at the emotions couldn't have been higher there, with some of the words used against your son. by both the men and the the defense attorney. take me into federal court, we

cannot have cameras, give me a sense of what it was like for you, as a mother whose son was murdered? >> wow, when we entered the courtroom it's limited to two sections. on the left, the defendants family. on the right, supporters of ahmaud arbery. and wanda sitting right behind the prosecution table. she's been in close contact with the department of justice since february, when these men were for a sentence. , first convicted. and she's prepared impacts statement she was looking forward to sharing with the court. having an opportunity to both address the court and the man responsible for the murder. >> lee merrick, you're the attorney for the family. you've been through with several families. and i'm curious to your reaction, and to wanda's reaction to the mcmichaels request, to remain in federal custody saying that it isn't safe for them there, asking the

judge to keep them in federal clot custody because state custody is too dangerous? what's your response, and can you ask squander what her is if she can't hear me? >> sure thing. we anticipated that these men would seek to be transferred to federal custody, while federal custody isn't a walk in the park, we understand that in a lot of instances federal presence is -- have a greater access to safety and benefits -- >> i think they made an appropriate argument. their attorneys mean appropriate argument. it's the department of justice itself is saying a group of attorneys where they're prosecuting, trying to send them to state prison. they were suing, currently suing the state of georgia because of the conditions of their prison. but these men, are no different than all the other offenders

who have been convicted in the state of georgia. it's critically important, if the georgia state prisons are in such a state, that inmates can't be kept safe, then that's true for all inmates. i imagine, knows people or convicted of serious crimes like murder, experience a bit of fear and the state prison, with the idea that that can be revisited on them. wanda, i don't know if you're still connected but she was wondering what was your response to their request to be transient to federal custody? >> my opinion, ahmaud -- wasn't given a chance today was he he was killed. ahmaud wasn't given a chance to run the next block and be able to return home. ahmaud wasn't given any kind of a chance. one -- he was denied that i'm very thankful that the doj didn't -- defendants in federal prison. >> wanda cooper-jones, i just want to say to you, our hearts are broken for you, were so

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