>> a continuing horrible situation in ukraine. david mckenzie in kyiv for us. to our viewers, thank you for watching. i am wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. breaking news, the wall street journal reporting an informant tipped off the investigators about more classified documents at mar-a- lago. trump deposed, the former president under oath facing 12 state attorneys for 4 hours but trump pleading the fifth, something he said you only do a few are guilty. a maze with more than 100 rooms and areas off-limits to family. an expert on the property walks us through. it is "outfront." what led the

fbi to search mar-a-lago. the "wall street journal" that an informant familiar with the documents that trump had told investigators that there were more of them , more classified documents. this informant told investigators this after the national archives had retrieved the 15 boxes earlier this summer. enter the informant, a significant development. justice department officials as cnn reported, had doubts that trump was being truthful. this comes is the head of the fbi was silent when pressed on trump's baseless accusations of fbi agents planting evidence. christopher wray dodged the question. >> as i'm sure you can appreciate, that is not something that i can talk about

so i refer you to the department. >> ray was trump's hand-picked director. within the justice department, a major debate on whether they should speak out to the public about the search on trump's home. cnn is learning that some justice department officials believe that they should release a public statement. it has been more than 48 hours since agents entered the home and the questions are only growing. ordinarily they would give answers but this isn't an ordinary situation. trump and his followers are filling the void with absurdity. the former president writing on monday without notification, an army of agents broke into mar-a- lago. a surprise attack? broken? an army? the reality is that we have learned that is welcome lately foolish. it does happen to be bogus. the department of justice went out of it's way to avoid making

the search a spectacle. people briefed on the matter saying that agents appeared at 10 a.m., coming at 6:30 a.m. to catch people in their underwear. all of these development are coming as trump's legal troubles continue to mount. trump entered the new york attorney general's office which is investigating his organization's finances. he was having a deposition taken. we are told that the questioning time was four hours. four hours is a long time when he took the fifth on everything. we are going to have more on his deposition. pamela brown is outfront live in washington. pamela, what more are you learning about the fbi possibly getting help from the inside in terms of, guess what, they didn't give you all of the information? >> what is interesting is that this investigation has been going on for more than a year.

thanks heated up after that june visit from the fbi. the wall street journal is reporting that someone familiar with the documents told investigators that there may be more classified information in mar-a-lago even after the archives took away those 15 documents of boxes of documents. the fbi spoke to a witness and we don't know who this witness is, if it was a trump representative. if it was someone that the archives had inside of the big picture. we don't know but we do know according to the wall street journal that cnn has not confirmed that the fbi was talking to someone who led them to eventually execute the search warrant. you have the pack the fact that they were suspicious that trump's

representatives were not being fully forthcoming with what was left there at mar-a-lago and thought that there was documents that still belongs in the government hands. it is helping us understand what led to the search that is putting pressure on the doj to speak out. there is this active discussion. some believe that they should put out a public statement, address this. it is not typical doj protocol to do that but these are extraordinary circumstances. so far, merrick garland has held the line. he wants to stick to doj policy and not talk about an ongoing investigation. we will have to see what happens. >> pamela brown, thank you. i want to go to stephanie grisham. she resigned after the insurrection on january 6th. also with me, dave ehrenberg, the state attorney general.

stephanie, as this news is breaking here, in these past few minutes, that the "wall street journal" that there was an informant who told investigators, trump is not giving you everything. he is not giving you everything that you have asked for. you suggested when this news was first breaking, we were talking. you said that someone inside may have helped. why was that your immediate thought? now that it is being reported by "the wall street journal" what is your reaction? >> he has a small circle around him and i know how mar-a-lago is laid out. it would have to be someone very close to him to not only know what was brought but where it was being stored. knowing how paranoid the president was, i cannot imagine what things are like now. he has a very very small circle

around him. i don't even think that the staff of mar-a-lago would be involved. that is where i came from on monday night when i was talking to you about it. >> you are talking about what a small circle it is now. it was never large. harry, what do you read into that? assuming that this reporting will bear out, somebody in a very small circle turned and sold him out. >> that's right. i think that stephanie surmised it. one thing you can be sure of even if you did note the content of the affidavit was that it was bulletproof. what that meant is that it gave the magistrate very good reason, probable cause plus to know that there was going to be classified information down there. this could be bad for the national interest. they needed some extra thing that they had found out since

june. this would have come from an confidential informant. it is hard to know where else it might have come from. >> dave, does this surprise you? you know a bit being from florida, knowing the law enforcement players involved. >> this has to be a gut punch to trump who demands complete loyalty. that loyalty is a one-way street. i suspect an informant because the doj could have tried to get these documents through other means like subpoena. they didn't do so. that means they didn't trust trump to comply with the subpoena. they thought it was urgent, they sent in investigators to go grab them themselves. if you're going to get a judge to sign off on a search warrant, you need to specify not just the documents you want but the location of the documents. you get someone from the inside

to do it. the fact that this is going to be the most scrutinized search warrant in the history of our country shows you that it is bulletproof but also that the material sees must be more than love letters. it must be serious documents that implicate national security. >> is that how you see it? when we get down to some things we don't know, but we know exist which is when they showed up with information, they took things and trump would have a list of what they took. we might know some of that information. maybe it was not the love letter. it may be very specific and that may be information known. printed information, right? >> you know people are trying already to unseal the affidavit and you say there is a debate at doj. imagine this confidential informant.

trump was ready to hang mike pence, he would be ready to draw and quarter this guy. it has to be important to keep it confidential and keep the ongoing investigation confidential. he knows what it is, or his lawyers know what it is because they have been playing around with doj and the archive since june and now there are things that are missing. some of them are singular copies and those of course when they are gone, they are gone. it is not clear that the document list that they left them with is that itemized and specific. even if it isn't, they will know. >> when the former president says, the doj needs to speak at mcconnell and others are saying, perhaps trump could just tell them. he could tell his republican comrades what was taken, what it was about.

>> if that is to meet, yes. they won't. that is damning. >> negotiations have been going on and on. when they move, they appear to move very quickly. what does that say to you? >> as your previous guest said, the confidential informant was somebody that knows something. i'm speculating here but i think that this person said, maybe something is about to be moved or destroyed, we need to get in here. i think the person is so close in the circle that whatever judge would have signed off on it, that is why they would have signed off on it because they trust this person. i think the person feels that the walls are closing in on trump. he is under investigation, i

cannot even keep track. it just occurred to me while we were talking, with all of the rhetoric happening, i just would urge right now donald trump or his staff or his supporters or republican leadership, instead of whining about being victims, perhaps i can put out some statement saying there is no room for violence right now. that is really important when you see some of the news of the rhetoric coming out. maybe we learn from january 6th. >> what we have heard from the former president is that he is saying -- using the word planting, hopefully not planting information right when they came in. that is what is filling the void. he is talking about an attack, an army. that is what he is saying happened to him. it runs counter to what we understand happened which is showing up at 10:00 in the morning, not 6:30 in the

morning. not wearing fbi logo jackets. very different from what trump is saying. dave, what more are you able to tell us? >> it is telling that the fbi -- that he said that the fbi planted evidence. his own lawyers were present at this. his lawyers are not doing their jobs if they are allowing the fbi to plant evidence right in front of them. the fact is that this was a very orderly search of the property. it was not a raid. there were plane closed fbi agents who walked around escorted by secret service and they collected documents. it is in donald trump to call it a raid or a siege because he was to be a martyr. he has sucked oxygen out of the room. who is ron desantis? trump gets what he wants and he

gets to be rested and ready with a pocket full of grievances. >> thank you all very much, i appreciate your time as we get that latest headline. next, trump takes the fifth, refusing to answer questions during a deposition that lasted four hours. what went on inside of the room? breaking new details next. we will take you inside of trumps mar-a-lago to show you what agents may have seen. new details about a plot to assassinate to high profile former trump officials and the man behind the alleged plan said to be on the run tonight.

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new details on what happened inside of the room where donald trump took the fifth. the former president refused to answer questions in a deposition. the probe into the trump organization's finances. i want to show you a video of trump. this is him leaving trump tower. he took the fifth even as two of his children, don jr. and of anke did not take the fifth.

trump took the fifth and it is worth reminding what trump thinks of people that do that. >> the mob takes the fifth. why you taking the fifth amendment? when you have your staff taking the fifth amendment, taking the fifth so they are not prosecuted. when you had the man who set up the illegal server setting up the fifth, it is disgraceful. have you seen what is going on in front of congress? fifth amendment, fifth amendment, horrible. horrible. >> what else can you tell us what happened during the four hours of this deposition with the former president? >> reporter: this deposition lasted four hours excluding breaks and i'm told that the new york attorney general attended half of it and she kicked off the deposition by making a general statement that

is usually given before there is testimony. i spoke with one of trump's attorneys that he said that the former president very badly wanted to testify but upon his advice he was not going to and invoked the fifth. that is when the former president made a statement invoking the fifth amendment saying that it was a witchhunt, referencing the content mar-a- lago. he would not answer any questions. he told me that the questions began, there was one of the state attorneys that was flanked by 10 others. he was the one solely asking trump questions. for each and every one of those questions, donald trump responded the same answer over and over again. this continued for several hours until the attorney general left around lunch time. despite the barbs they have thrown at each other, trump shook hands with james.

the room was fairly tense but it had turned cordial and professional. when trump left, he shook the hands of all of the state attorney generals that were there for the deposition. we believe he is heading to mar- a-lago. this is a high-stakes case. the former president was advised that he should answer these questions because of his potential run for the presidency. he heeded his advice and that it might hurt him in a civil case if the new york attorney general does. it could greatly benefit him if there is a criminal investigation. anything he said today, which is nothing, cannot be used against him. >> interesting what that may imply in terms of where he thinks it is going in the criminal investigation. thank you so much, doing all of that reporting.

let's go to a member of the january 6th select committee. i want to ask you about trump's deposition. we did just get some breaking developments. there was an informant who tipped off investigators that there may have been more classified documents at mar-a- lago. when you hear that and word of an informant, how significant could it be? >> well, the committee is not a criminal prosecuting body. where learning about this just the same way you are from the news and thank you for breaking the news. clearly just watching, it looks like this is a serious matter come at apparently the allegation would be that the former president stole things from the white house, some of which perhaps reclassified and you don't get a warrant executed

, something this high profile unless you dotted every eye and crossed every t. i am watching, i am interested. meanwhile the committee is doing it's work to uncover elements of the plot leading up to the sixth of january. >> i want to ask you about how these things may end up dovetailing. i just played donald trump, you heard him. he said that taking the fifth is disgraceful. it is something that he did. does that signal anything to you? >> well, obviously he said that he was following his lawyers advice. certainly in a criminal prosecution, one is admonished, the jury is admonished not to make anything or draw a conclusion about taking the fifth. when it comes to other matters,

civil litigation, or even legislative matters, people do draw conclusions from that. if he was afraid that he had done something that was incriminate him, that is a big deal. >> it is civil, not criminal. now i want to ask you the point about dovetailing possibly at what we are seeing. what we just saw and what you are working on. last night, i spoke to ty cobb, the former white house lawyer. he told me very clearly that he does not think that the mar-a- lago is ultimately about classified documents. here is why. >> i think it is about the underlying big lie and january 6th. that is the big enchilada. i think it would be truly

bizarre to bring a public records act charge against a former president as the first time in history of indicting a former president. >> do you think he is right? this is about the big enchilada? >> i have no idea but i think that the two investigations could potentially overlap depending on what these documents are. we remember from watergate that it is the cover-up that gets you, not just the misconduct. the committee is very concerned about some of the disappearing texts in the defense department , the disappearing texts in the secret service, a lack of being forthcoming with information until we issued a subpoena to the secret service and the unwillingness of a variety people to come in and tell the

committee the truth, the cover- up. if this was material related, obviously there would be overlap. we don't know that. i know that people are speculating, the most useful thing would be to get a list of what was recovered. the former president has that list and i do think that it would be a public service to list it. >> as you point out, he could because he has that list. one final question, scott perry had his cell phone seized by the fbi and that was one day after the mar-a-lago search. your committee has shown that he was a significant player in the efforts to overturn the election. he is trying to link the seizure of his phone to the mar- a-lago search. do you think that is possible? >> it strikes me as unlikely. we don't know.

the department of justice doesn't check in for the committee. we have ample evidence that representative perry was involved in this plot. he refused to talk to the committee but we do have evidence from other sources about his deep involvement in this plot. i don't know if that was the origin of the warrant for his phone. it seems hard to imagine that his personal phone would be connected with classified documents at mar-a-lago. we will find out in due course . i would encourage representative perry, and now the department of justice has his cell phone, come talk to the committee, tell us what you know. we welcome you any day. >> thanks so much, i appreciate your time. we are going to take you

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the wall street journal reporting an informant told investigators there were more classified documents at trump's mar-a-lago after the national archives had retrieved 15 boxes. an informant said 15 boxes but they held stuff back. this comes amid growing questions on what investigators found and why trump wanted to keep whatever these documents were from the government. we know it included trump's personal quarters, his offices, and a basement storage locker that had been padlocks.

>> mar-a-lago is a nearly 100- year-old maze of more than 100 you rooms and the search could have been impossible. the co-author of a book about trump and his florida home thought so. >> my thought was how are they going to find anything in mar-a- lago because there are so many nooks and cranny ? >> some boxes were found in a basement area and she recognize another focal point, just above the ballroom on the second floor, the former presidents personal suite. >> around that same location is where his office would have been. those are private, they are accessible only to the family and also the staff that keep it clean. >> reporter: trump spent

hundreds of days of his presidency at his properties, mar-a-lago above all others. there he played golf, ordered a missile strike on syria, and entertained the presidents of china, the prime minister of japan. >> many world leaders request to mar-a-lago . >> reporter: political allies were welcomed, so were members of the private club who could enjoy the warm florida sun for a cool $200,000 fee along with the pool and proximity to the leader of the free world. "the new york times" called it a kind of washington steakhouse on steroids where guests enjoy a level of access that could elude the best lobbies. >> it was a place where you wanted to do business with him. it was a place that you close deals because that is where he was comfortable. >> reporter: trump called all the shots but that he lost the

presidency. officials at the national archives said they collected 15 boxes of documents from mar-a- lago, some marked as classified information. some containing papers which had been torn up by the former president. now the feds have snatched another batch from trump's grasp. exactly what it holds, we don't know. suffice to say, agents that only cracked into a safe, they cracked into his safe space. >> tom foreman, thank you very much. i want to go to dan eberhart because he has been to mar-a- lago. you hear tom foreman going through mar-a-lago like a maze. the reporter walking writing about the resort. they took most of the day but it is a lot in a short amount

of time. what was your take away from when you were there? >> not thinking anything about the documents or whatever but in my meeting we talked about the economy, the market, and we talked about energy policy. as far as the space. i've been to mar-a-lago half a dozen times may be. it is a 62,000 square foot house , essentially. it has hallways, nooks and crannies. it would be very difficult to search it exhaustively. >> it is obviously significant depending on what these documents are and how somebody tried to hide them. "the wall street journal" is reporting that an informant let them know that there might be more at mar-a-lago. 15 boxes were set back from mar- a-lago. the informant says, guess what, he held stuff back. if this informant happens to be in trump's inner circle, if

that is the case it would be hugely significant. how big is his inner circle right now? >> i think his inner circle is maybe 25 people or something and it was probably 150 people when he was in office. there are a lot of people coming in and out of mar-a- lago. i have seen it myself, i know people that a been there for 4 or five hours. there is an awful lot of traffic of people moving in and out of mar-a-lago on a given day. >> the context that you give is significant. we don't know where this informant is, whether it was in trump's inner circle, the archives are elsewhere. that context is important. you believe this is a pivotal moment but it could change the playing field and 2024. how so? >> my initial reaction was, this is blood in the water. this is the thing that will

smash the trump ice cube and get rid of this cloak of invisibility and lets people in. what seems to have happened is that a lot of the trump supporters have tripled to down and trump is stepping on it as proof that the deep state is out to get him. they will be proven wrong. that seems to be what happened initially. >> i understand that people in trump's orbit that you have been speaking to have said, now there's a big push for him to announce another presidential run. he has taken the oxygen out of the room. he is on center stage. do you think an announcement is imminent? >> i don't think an announcement is imminent but this gives him more of a reason to announce in his mind. the best thing would be to do it after the midterms. if i am trump, he might be thinking to step on the story, let this suck all of the oxygen

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pandemic shutdowns in asia, we could face additional headwinds in the months ahead. >> he's being cautious, but obviously there is a glimmer of hope. outfront now, james carville, the former lead strategist of the 1992 clinton presidential campaign. james, always appreciate talking to you. let's start with this. prices are still way too high. they're still a problem. however, not going to go up. you got to plateau before you can come down. so there's this little window of possible opportunity. you look at things like gas prices, average price for a gallon is $4.01. terrible, but it was $4.68 a month ago. it has dropped for 57 days running. so these are significant things, james. if people start to feel some relief in these coming weeks, is that enough to turn around biden and the democrats' midterm prospects? >> well, first of all, i it would certainly help a lot. but i'm not sure the democratic midterm prospects is grim as some people think. look at last night in minnesota

where in the first congressional district, a democrat really overperformed, the partisan nature of the district. look what happened in kansas, the special state senate election in nebraska. so i think that we are overplaying right now just how much trouble the democrats are in come november. now, i think it's close. i don't think we're in any kind of commanding position, but i think it's better than most people think it is. and it would certainly help a lot if gas prices kept coming down because it's something that people deal with and see every day, and how high inflation is, but you can't get lower until you start lowering it. we got that, and the market seems to be pretty encouraged by it. that's about what i know on that. >> well, it's important, you know, as you're seeing this, that perhaps it's not the sort of walk in the park that many republicans had envisioned and frankly a lot of democrats had accepted. >> right. >> biden has been enjoying a string of wins. he had bad news for months and then he had a lot of wins

whether it was the abortion vote in kansas or these prices coming down, or his modified build back better passing. trump, though, is looming over everything. this mar-a-lago raid a big part of it, dominating the conversation after that raid at mar-a-lago, which has taken attention away from biden. question for you, james. can biden and democrats use this to their advantage? >> well, first of all, trump is a scared, fat, old man. you know, he could tell us what's in that search warrant. there's nothing to prevent that. he could have testified before the new york attorney general. he did not do that. president biden doesn't have any say-so of when the justice department moves. but this is just the beginning. i mean i see all this talk about trump being a lock for the nomination in 2024. the only thing that might be a lock on him is a jail door. i mean, this is a very, very serious thing that the justice department has undertaken. like i say, if he thinks it's

unjust, well, why don't he just make that search warrant public, of which he totally can do. >> he absolutely could. you talk about this being very serious. of course it is, but the justice department is sort of looming for biden too. there could be some headaches too because of their investigation into his son, hunter's business practices. we understand it's at a critical place, and investigators are weighing whether to bring charges on hunter biden. look, all of this is happening as we are, what, 90 or 91 days away from the midterms. how do you see the hunter biden piece of this playing out? is it a problem for biden? >> well, i don't know -- i know what i read, and i listen to a lot of right-wing radio and tv. it's kind of part of my job. it's all hunter biden all the time. i have no idea. and the other thing is i don't think -- whatever trouble that hunter biden is in, i don't know

how much of that is going to stick to joe biden honestly. i mean, you know, i remember back president bush 41's son got in some kind of trouble. i forget the exact circumstances. i don't know how much that really mattered. and so i don't know. i mean that's the real answer. i know what i read in the paper. i know what i hear from people. and apparently it's a very serious thing. but other than that, i have no knowledge of it. >> well, i respect when a person has an opinion and is firm with it, and i respect when they say "i don't know." maybe we need more of that from people. james, thanks. i do appreciate you. >> thank you, erin. i know it was a good night in minnesota last night. thank you. next, the justice department accusing an iranian of trying to orchestrate the assassination of trump's former national security adviser, john bolton. tonight, bolton responds. really? even if my old phone looks like this?

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finally tonight, a plot to kill. the department of justice alleging an iranian operative tried to hire an assassin to kill two top members of the trump administration. former secretary of state mike pompeo and former national security adviser john bolton. according to the fbi, schramm per safy tried to get someone to kill bolton for $300,000, and a source tells cnn he wanted to hire someone for $1 million to kill pompeo. the alleged plot was likely in retaliation for the 2020 air strike that killed qassem soleimani, the commander of the revolutionary guard corps.

a warning that other americans may be at risk. >> it tells you what the regime is. it tells you about its character. it wouldn't surprise me. i think there are a substantial number of people who are vulnerable to these iranian efforts, and unfortunately i'm afraid we may learn of more. >> the suspect has not yet been arrested. he is currently wanted by the fbi. thanks so much for joining us. ac 360 starts now. good evening. tonight new reporting justice department officials pushing the department to do the one thing it tries never to do and caused disaster the last time it did, namely going public about an active investigation of a political figure close to an election, in this case, a former president, who ironically benefited the last time the department strayed from that policy back in 2016 with its very public reopening of the fbi's hillary clinton email investigation. now, this latest development, which we'll bring you details on