good evening, after days of increasingly violent rhetoric against the fbi, right wing social media and elsewhere, in the wake of the api search of the former presidents mention and attempts to discredit the bureau by republican lawmakers from several cable channels, we have seen the first deadly consequences. and armed men killed in a shootout after trying to beach the fbi cincinnati office, somebody whose name is on the social media account spelling out in vivid detail the war he apparently was launching. cnn's brynn gingras is reporting on the deeply troubling story with the latest. brynn, what happened and what are you learning about the suspect? >> anderson, we learned from

multiple sources that the suspect is ricky shiffer, 42 years old. investigators are trying to figure out what connection he had with right extremist groups. what happened earlier today is that the cincinnati field office of the fbi, ricky shiffer walked in there, armed with an ar-15 style rifle and a nail gun and tried to breach the office. an alarm was sounded, he was pursued by law enforcement not just on the federal side but local and state as well. there was a stand off for several hours in the rural area of ohio, which ended when law enforcement tried to have non lethal ways to bring him in and negotiate with him, but then he was killed in this standoff, when none of that was working. like you said we have come across a user on donald trump 's's truth social, bearing the name of ricky schiffer. we do have one source time my

josh cost campbell that there is a government i. d. matching this a picture. in at least one post, he actually talks about this. these are talks about what happened at the fbi field office today. i want to read word for word what the post said. it says, well, i thought i had a way to bulletproof glass, and i did not. if you don't hear for me, it is true, i tried attacking the fbi. it will mean that i was either taken off the internet, the fbi got me, or they sent the regular cops wild. is sort of ends there. this post was about 15 minutes after we learned that this person breach the fbi office, so it is possible that this person on the account was not able to finish that the. if you look deeper into the social media account, which is fairly new, there are not too many post on there. there is a ton of violent rhetoric against the fbi. this person said that they were in washington on january 6, and there are several posts from

the user talking about how they believe the election of donald trump in 2020 was stolen. >> did the users postings become more violent after they searched mar-a-lago? >> yes, they did. they were posted hours at that news broke about the search of the fbi raid a mar-a-lago. ill read that to you. he said, people, this is it. i hope a call to arms comes from somebody better qualified, but if not, this is your call to arms for me. this person encourages people to go get guns, go to pawnshops, to take up arms with federal authorities. the rhetoric it's more violent, saying the next day, go to mar-a-lago, if you face any fbi agents, kill them, is what the post said. it is obviously extremely disturbing rhetoric coming from this user account. we know, as you just mentioned, the fbi has been on alert after the search on monday. right now, this investigation, it is unclear the motive of schiff are going into this field office today. that is being investigated, but maybe we will learn something

since there were hours of negotiations happening between federal agents and ricky shiffer before the standoff and it this afternoon. >> brynn gingras, appreciate it, thank you. more now on attorney general merrick garland's decision today to call the former president's bluff on the warrant for the search. >> the department filed the motion to make public the warrant and receipt, in light of the former presidents confirmation on the search, surrounding circumstances and a substantial public interest in this better. the former president has both documents and could himself make them public anytime, something his supporters have been calling on the justice department to do. now it is up to him. the federal judge handing this in florida has given justice until tomorrow at 3pm to meet with the former president, tell the court if he objects to the unsealing. whatever happens could happen on quickly. the attorney general's all this emotion without revealing a single detail about the

investigation, something the justice department almost never has. there is that. there is also new reporting tonight on the search itself, where protests precipitated it and how sensitive some of the documents in question were. cnn's evan perez joins us with that. can you walk us through the attorney general's decision, which is rare, to speak up publicly and then to ask the court to unseal the search warrant --? >> it is rare, anderson. let me tell you, a monday, merck garland was unknown on the idea of making a statement at all about the search. obviously, the former president went public with that statement, describing it as a siege. the former president has had the ground to himself. he had the ability to fashion the narrative about exactly what happened during the fbi search on monday. what we have seen in the in suing few days is some of the things that brynn gingras was talking about, threats against fbi agents.

we have seen attacks against their credibility, attacks saying that the fbi may have planted some evidence. that is what really helped inform what the attorney general did today. he stood before us and said, essentially, the former president has already spoken publicly about this and, essentially, made it okay for the justice department to go to court in a very unusual step, by the way, to say that we can release these two documents. the documents we will get will probably not tell us a lot of the underlying information about this investigation, but it will tell us if you think about what the fbi took during that search, as well as possibly, what crimes they are investigating. that is very important information for us to learn, anderson. >> is it clear tonight why the government felt it needed a search warrant? the former president's legal team, they try to pin himself as cooperating with the department of justice all along.

i know you have new details. >> right, anderson. look, what you can see, even from the comments on the attorney general today, you get a sense that they don't believe that there was that level of cooperation. we know that they issued a subpoena to the trump team back in june, and then they had a meeting to discuss getting these records from mar-a-lago back in june, the fbi leaves with some documents, highly classified documents from that meeting. we know that they reached out later on, they asked for an additional lock to be put on the room, for some of the documents were being stored, and we also know that they served a second subpoena to ask for surveillance tapes. that leads us to the search to happen on monday. we get a sense anderson from all the interaction that the escalation that people saw on monday really began much earlier.

it beganwell before the june meeting there. they clearly believe the less intrusive means we're not working, and let the monday. the attorney general, real quickly i will mention, in a statement said, he said where possible it is -- to receive licenses to meets as an alternative to research internally scope and search undertaken. that is simply the fact that we tried as a means or listen to some means and we have to take the step on monday. >> evan perez, appreciate it. more now on the former president and the decision he now has to make, perhaps as soon as tomorrow, cnn's kaitlan collins joins us with that. what is the reaction from trump's legal team? >> his orbit was caught guard -- it was remarkable in and of itself, as evan leitao. they were a bit caught off guard, so navigating in the hours after attorney general garland came out on how to proceed and what they will do. that involved them contacting outside attorneys. of course, the former president has been represented by a slew of attorneys, lately. he has been focused on one who

was present when the search happened on monday. -- defending the president and consulting with him on how to proceed going forth here. what i am told is that they have not made a decision on how to proceed. of course, they had the deadline by 3 pm tomorrow. it does appear that they are leaning towards the idea of challenging this, of objecting to the idea of unsealing the search warrant, as the justice department laid out today, though to be clear they, have not made a decision it. that remains to be seen, where they will go from here. certainly, this is something that they were not expecting for the attorney general to come out to do, as really, anderson, for the last four days, it has been trump and his allies driving the narrative about the search until, of course, the justice department came out today to talk about it. >> kaitlan, stay with us, because we have new reporting tonight in the washington post, and i headline reads, fbi searched trump homes to look for nuclear documents. this crossing right now, i want to bring it daniel goldman, a former senior veteran counsel and a former president's first impeachment hearing, he's not

running for congress in new york city tempt district. also joining us is the federal judge, nancy kirner, currently senior lecturer at harvard law school. when we spoke earlier this week, you said something of this magnitude would've been set off by the attorney general himself. we learned today that you're certainly right. what do you make of his decision to seem to make public the warrant and the receipt of the items taken? >> i thought it was a brilliant move. one of the things he said, which is that we don't usually comment about cases, and that makes perfect sense, but we only comment through our filings. at the moment he was saying that, they were filing a motion to unseal the documents. it was really brilliant. he was not going off the script public documents are obviously something about which she can comment, and so at that moment, he had created, in one sense, a justification to speak publicly about this. i thought it was absolutely brilliant to do this. trump is in a interesting

position. on the one hand, if he opposes the unsealing of this, which he has a right to do, and if the judge nonetheless releases it, which who knows what the judge will do, he will try to set up an argument later down the line that there was undo, if you ever got charged, that there was undue publicity. he will be very hard for donald trump to make the argument, since he was the source of the publicity. but i thought it was a brilliant move on the part of merrick garland. >> daniel, the washington post as i mentioned, reporting tonight that classified documents related to nuclear weapons were among the items that fbi agents sought in a search of donald trump's residence in florida on monday, according to people familiar with the investigation. what is your reaction to that and to all that we have seen today? >> i think what has been coming out, and what the attorney general did today reveals a couple of things. first of all, if you believe

all of the reporting, it is clear that donald trump did not satisfactorily comply with a grand jury subpoena to turn over all the documents that he had that he should not have had that were classified. that is what they had to do the search warrant. i said on tuesday right after this happened that it is very likely that there is a witness who can pinpoint exactly what remained there, and there is reporting that that is the case. now, garland is coming out and saying, hey, if you will bash us, and if you will test things around, then show us the receipts. donald trump won't do that, so he is going to the court. i am very interested to see what the statutes are listed on the search warrant, because it can range from anything, and now that we have this information about nuclear information, it could range from nuclear information, it could range from evidence potentially that he has been sharing classified information

to other people. there is a wide range of things, and i do think that the statutes will give us indication of what this investigation is all about. he is in a pickle right now, because if he does not oppose, then we will find out. if it does oppose, then he is clearly hiding something. >> kaitlan, if the washington post reporting is accurate, and they're looking for new documents, to anyone who talk to in trump orbit have any explanation for why the former president of the u.s. would be holding on to, whether it is nuclear document or any classified documents in a closet or basement at mar-a-lago? is there an explanation for this? >> not so far that we heard. i think the confusion that some of his own allies have is why, when there was clearly an fervent effort by the national archives to get a hold of the

documents that he had taken with him to mar-a-lago, they sent 15 boxes but not everything? that was what investigators suspected. that is part of the reason they went down there on june 3rd him with his attorneys and look at the room where these documents were being held. clearly, they were concerned about the security of the documents, because i was told that five days later, they got an email from these investigators saying, you need to further secure the room. they did not specifically tell him to put about block on the door, but that is what they did. that is why there has been such a concern about this and about what it was that he took with them, not just simply that it was a momentous or document, but that it is something that could compromise national security-related information. >> this is a person who dawned on hillary clinton's server, like it was an all you can eat buffet. this is what he ran on, and then the idea that he would then hoard classified documents, i am eager to hear any

explanation from anybody in trump orbit about this. >> it is not just trump, it is also several republicans that you are hearing from who are calling on the attorney general to release the warrant have been very quiet today, since he came out and said, we ar e trying to release, unseal the warrant and make it publicly known. a lot of those republicans are the same ones who also were heavily critical of hillary clinton for how she handled her private emails. so i think this is a situation where it could be complicated, because what we heard so far from allies of the former president is that the he will say that he already declassified everything. as the president, he has the power to declassify things. when things are the classified, they say declassified on them. there is a process, of a complicated here. it's not the president saying, i hear that by declassify this. there is an actual process. judge gardner, cnn's reporting mentions that the 15 boxes retrieved in january by the national archives, contains some materials that were part

of special access programs, classifications that include protocols that severely limited who would have access to the information, according to a source familiar with the archives discovered in the boxes. what legal impact could that have? does the level of classification matter? >> i think the fact of classification matters. my understanding is that the documents that are classified are clear on their face. and also, you asked the why question, and we want to ask the why question, because it doesn't make sense. the why question is actually irrelevant. with respect to classification, the fact of unauthorized possession, when we think of david petraeus sharing that with his biographer, or sandy berger taking documents from the national archives. the why doesn't matter, it is the fact of it. and that is all you need. who knows why he would have done it but it's an edge

unimaginable that he wouldn't, including the high level of classification justifies this even more. people are making this appear as though it's a technical violation. this is not a technical violation, this is a violation for which there is a whole administrative apparatus to make sure that classified information doesn't get out so the protocol makes a difference, and as to your last question is not like it's a magic wand. he walked out the door and says everything is declassified. obviously that makes -- it >> i'm sorry to interrupt you. if you could just stand by. i want to bring in josh, who wrote a article. what can you bring us about the documents related to nuclear weapons, that your colleagues reported being taken -- . >> they were working with subpoenas, they're working cooperatively, and at some point they decide to come over.

because they were concerned about the documents in nuclear programs. and multiple sources escalated their desire, they believe the documents were there to get there immediately. it's one thing that our sources of explain to, us why such a step was taken on monday. >> is there any, reason according to your sources, -- that a former president would have these documents in their possession, and not have turned them over in the initial cash of documents that were turned over? >> not that i'm aware, of anderson. the former president often takes things with them, if they return back in time. that is happened with others in the past. the scope of what president trump took and 12 more boxes out the other day. and the content of what he took really made this a totally different kind of experience. >> and you have any more information on the level of

classification of these documents? >> we know that a lot of the things that were found there were a top secret. the highest level of classification you could find. he had the documents marked with that. and some of the documents they had taken back where several pages of classified inventory, as my colleague reported. so there were extensive documents that the federal government felt were classified, and some of them were even marked top secret. >> josh, i appreciate the reporting from your colleagues, thanks so much. let's go back to the panel here. daniel, a little bit more information there from the josh. what sort of timeline do you think the department of justice is on now, not just related to the subpoena, but does this give it any window into their investigations? >> i do you think that is showing that this investigation, related to the classified

documents, is significantly escalating, and is moving quite quickly and my guess is that this is a last resort we've had indication that they've interviewed a number of witnesses. but the question that josh raises, and you raise earlier but the nuclear documents, are particularly important when you consider the fact, this is been going on for seven months. he has known that there's been an interest in these documents for seven months. he received a subpoena for them. the question is really important to ask, what is he doing, and why is he continuing to obstruct this investigation, to hold on to these documents? it's one thing if you are informed that you have documents that need to be turned over and you say okay, i'll turn them over. it's entirely a different thing when you're being asked, over and over, and compelled to do it. and you don't. and it begs the question, what are you doing with those documents? because it's not simply just to

put them in a picture frame on a wall. there's got to be some other reason why donald trump is hiding documents, especially scary if they are related to nuclear programs at the highest level of classification. there are higher levels than top secret, i was on the intelligence committee as you know. there are secured compartmental in formation, which as judge garner mentioned, is super duper top sleekest, of which very few have access to. >> and caitlin, i ask you if there's any explanation as to why it have caused b y

documents. -- but have you heard it here explanation as to why they would not have turned over all of the documents initially? >> no, that's been a big question that even some of his own allies with, why not turn them over if it's so clear to you how desperately the national archives are trying to get a hold of these, if they were traded to the justice department, which is why we're in the situation we're in now with garland coming out to talk about this. and instead, for the last several days, the president's attorneys have been framing this as, we were cooperating all along, we were kind of shocked by the idea that the search happened on monday, and totally caught off guard and but they left out is that there was this other step. as reported on monday, these investigators did go down to mar-a-lago to see this. that a very clear interest in. these documents. . i think that's why it's raised. the question of what could potentially be in there. and i, think on monday, you heard a lot of republicans very critical of the search. and i think now, if it does come out and it's been confirmed that these are

documents related to the national security of the united states, or nuclear weapons programs for other nations, that is going to potentially quite them some because obviously that is not something that could just be hanging out of the former presidents residence in florida, where obviously is not under the kind of lucky that it typically would be. >> kaitlan collins, nancy, golan -- former attorney generals take about the current attorney general is doing, we'll talk to alberta gonzalez, and of what he thinks of the surge, the former president's response, and the attempted attack on the fbi. and later, with the january 6th committee's been up, to most importantly with the cooperation for the former presidents cabinet. it's true. everyone gets a free new samsung galaxy z flip4 with a galaxy trade-in. any year. any condition. really? even if my old phone looks like this? (gasps) dude - why? huh - how could you? it's okay people. i've trained for this.

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general's right decision to not just speak publicly about the search of mar-a-lago but also to move to unseal the warrants and the items that were seized >> you know, watching the press conference by the attorney general, we i was surprised by the unsealing. the rest of the comments were very consistent with what i might have expected, in terms of simply confirming that he authorized the search so that the american people don't come to the conclusion that we have a rogue agency here, at the department of justice. and so i think that he also confirmed the fact that but this was done as a sort of last resort, and it typically you ask for the information, and try to get the information through a subpoena. he confirmed that they would go through less intrusive means. >> in terms of the move to unseal, do you think it's right move? there are those who would say that this is calling the former

presidents bluff. they say, we should release the info that was taken, and they seem to be reticent to do that. >> i think why not? obviously, it was an extraordinary circumstance, that led to that decision given the fact that the former president is out there talking about the seizure, so it's no surprise that he's under some kind of investigation. and given that, obviously, there's tremendous public interest, it's understandable that he would pursue this course of action. and educate the american public, generally, about the way the department works, i think given the -- >> the gunman, who tried to breach an fbi field office in ohio, posted on the former president's social media platform saying, and attempt to sort storm net b. e. i. office, and encourage others online to

prepare for revolutionary type war. obviously, the fbi would be under the purview of the attorney general. what's your reaction to that, not only the rhetoric that preceded it, but also the action itself? would do worry about what it portends? >> no question about it. this is why the kind of rhetoric that has followed the disclosure of the seizure, in my judgment, is so dangerous, because we have people out there that we've seen as a result of the january 6th riots, on capitol hill, who will respond with violence, and at the encouragement of the former president. so, to the extent that he's making a public statements, and calling into question the integrity of the fbi, the integrity of the search. to suggest that the fbi may have planted evidence, that's the kind of rhetoric that will incite anger, distrust. and as a result, that people will engage in violence.

those who are big supporters of the president. so yes, i'm very worried about the fact that we may see additional violence as a result of the action taken, this previous monday. it wasn't for senator lindsey graham on the judiciary committee on another network on fox, as the host was talking about the fbi saying that we know they planted evidence, we know they lie. lindsey graham was nodding along with it and saying, yes, as the host was going on. but would your message be to fellow republicans about the moment that we are in and the rhetoric? >> i think it is extremely dangerous. i really do. but it's back to lindsey graham, he is on the judiciary committee. if there is this misconduct going on and the department of justice, they have override it already over the department of justice. that override authority is

important to ensure that there is not this conduct does not occur. so, if in fact he has any indication or suggestion that this is occurring, why aren't they doing something about it? the reason is because they don't have any evidence or any indication that that is going on. in particular, coming from a member of congress do not immediately reject that kind of rhetoric is very disappointing. that is unfortunate in the world we live in today, the politics have become so poisonous, it's okay to have significant disagreements over issues, but we need to be civil and honest about these disagreements. >> judge, conceptual time. thank you. >> thank you. >> coming up, we'll have more on the buccaneers ohio attack also cnn's drew griffin speaking with a republican state representative after he called on the state to end ties

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congressional candidate, and then he set up a teeny. cnn senior correspondent investigative reporter john griffin spoke with him about proposals. >> the threats are out in the open. >> i will make sure these parents pay the price. >> and online. >> garland it's basis unaided, or this is war. the fbi so concerned, director chris wray sent out a memo to the agency reviewed by cnn. it is let me also assure you that your safety and security are my primary concern right now. security division is working across the agency, as we continue to stay vigilant and adjust our security posture accordingly. >> violence against law enforcement is not the answer, no matter what anybody is upset about or who they are upset with. in florida, ultra maga or republican, florida state representative, and then he said patini, is trying to take right wing outrage one step

further. >> if it was up to me, i would totally define the fbi. >> i'm anthony 17 -- >> he's running for congress in florida's seventh district and has been making the rounds on far-right media after writing a tweet saying sever all ties with doj immediately and any fbi agent conducting law enforcement functions outside the purview of our state -- >> should be arrested upon site, common sense. >> because? >> because what they are doing is unlawful. it is time to protect the rights of lorain under the tenth amendment and push back against a lawless federal government. >> right now, today, in federal -- florida, fbi agents adjacent down big roberts, organized criminals, cybercrimes, helping local law enforcement, you don't think there is anybody to? that >> the logical argument, the fbi at this point is totally useless. we need to defund it and -- >> you had no idea with the value of the fbi's. >> yes, i do. >> is the former president above the law no matter what?

>> the fbi is not above the law. i am saying, if they filed a law, which they did, should not be allowed, the former president is above the law? >> he is a political target, he is being harassed by a lawless, rogue agency. they spied on him, they have no respect for him, they hate the conservatives, they hate the republicans. >> wouldn't it be prudent to wait and see with the facts are before we have such a 20 statement? >> we have enough facts. >> in fact, he does not have the facts behind the fridge weren't. former president trump does but yet as refused to release them. meanwhile, fbi agents across the country are not being forced to watch their backs for doing their jobs. >> drew griffin joins us now. there are some culture right maga folks who are cynical and no what he said. i can't tell if he knows what he's saying is absurd or does he actually believe it?

>> that is a question i always ask myself when i meet these people, and i'm the ultra maga members of commerce, they raise money off the stuff, they get on tv because of the stuff, they go on various podcast because of the stuff, and you are never quite sure if they are just pandering to the emotions of a public that will vote for him and shout money to them, or if they truly do believe it. this guy, i can tell. >> it is not at the facts as you point out. drew griffin, appreciate it. attorney general merrick garland today addressed the attacks against the fbi and justice department, thank you not stand by silently. >> every day, they approached the american people from violent crime, terrorism and other threats to their safety while safeguarding our civil rights. they do so at great personal sacrifice and risk to themselves. >> some of the most violent and outrageous threats have been directed at the judge who signed off on the search warrant.

when social media commented under the picture of the judge, quote, i see a rope around his neck. my next guest knows how dangerous attacks against public officials can be. her son was killed, her husband shot in 2020, after an attacker came to her home. she said the attacker was a lawyer seeking revenge after being angered of the pace of a lawsuit filed in her court. join me now is used to judge, as there is alice. appreciate you being with us. given what you have been to, what is the reaction of the reporting out of ohio tonight of the armed men who tried to reportedly storm an fbi building, as well as the threats being made against the judge the signed off on the search against mar-a-lago? >> it's just reinforcement. it is reinforcement that we need to pass the daniel judicial privacy act. we need to start protecting members of the judiciary. the threats against the judiciary, mr. cooper, they are rising in intensity and volume.

it is not getting better since my only child was killed just two years ago angela. . this is a moment for all of us to take a breath, for all of us to say facts matter, words matter. what we say to one another, what we are doing to one another and what we are doing to this country. we are ripping this country apart, and we are ripping this country apart because we are unwilling to remember that we are one country, one democracy and our justice system falls under one constitution. we are doing some serious damage to one another. i say to the american people and political leaders, let's get back to running this country. let's get back to protecting judges. this is fundamentally the system that this country was

founded on, and i am set. >> you hear that candidate talk to our drew griffin. do you think the public fully grasp what happens to a democracy and the rule of law when judges and public servants and fbi officers become targets for violence? >> i think we need to look at other countries and look at how other democracies were toppled. they want after the judiciary force. they want after and used insidious lies and to talk about judges as ours and as these, we are not ours, we are not these, we are americans. we take an oath and every day, we do our job. sometimes, our job requires us to make unpopular decisions. those unpopular decisions can be appealed. those unpopular decisions, unfortunately, we had to follow

the law. i can tell you, mister cooper, the day i raised my hand and put my hand on a bible and took an oath, i no longer became anything other than the judge that has to follow the law objectively, the judge that has to apply the law, the facts to the law. i can tell you with the american people don't understand is that the system in which these cases are assigned around him. this judge in florida was on duty. that is why he got the case. we don't get cases and look at a roster and pick the judge because that looks like the good judge that will follow the way we want. let's go back to basics. let's go back to logic. >> judge esther salas, i appreciate time tonight, thank you so much. coming up, the latest on the general six committee investigation, and which former cabinet officials are now cooperating or soon could be?

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even though the search of mar-a-lago has dominated the headlines, there are significant new developments in

the january six investigation, for most among them, but we are learning about which former cabinet and other top officials recently testified before the committee or are negotiating to. joining me now is sara murray. what are you hearing about these former high-ranking trump officials? >> my colleagues and i are learning from sources that elaine chao, the former transportation secretary and the wife of senator mitch mcconnell, has already been interviewed by the january six select committee. she's one of a number of high-level former trump officials who are in talks or have already been agreed to interviewed. we also learned a betsy devos, former secretary of education, is in talks. and -- o'brien, trump's former national security adviser is said to be interviewed by the committee virtually tomorrow. we know especially with these cabinet officials, the committee has been very focused on discussions about the 25th amendment. chao and devos both had conversations about the 25th amendment, the possibility of removing trump from office in the wake of january six. both of those women resigned on january 7th. >> obviously, chao and the

devos denied cabinet officials to engage with the committee. do you know who the others are, and what the committee wants enough for them? >> it is very stunning the amount of information they already have been able to get out of a cabinet officials. we know that pompeo, the former secretary of state, he appeared before the committee this week, treasury secretary steve mnuchin has appeared before the committee, jeffrey rosen, former acting attorney general, even eugene scalia, former labor secretary appeared before the committee and said he encouraged donald trump to concede after the result of the 2020 election were clear. i think what they are trying to get to is this sincere misgivings that were in the highest levels of the trump administration around january six and, of course, any more they can learn about how serious these conversations were in trying to remove trump from office season that 25th amendment, anderson? >> sarah murray, appreciate it. just before broadcast, spoke about the investigation of congresswoman zoloft green, a member of the general six committee and house judiciary committee. congresswoman zoloft erin, thanks for joining us. how significant, in your view,

is the fact that the committee has heard directly from former secretary chao, former national security of brian reportedly scheduled an interview, and we may hear from former secretary devos? >> you know, under our rules, we cannot discuss the testimony, but i think we are talking up loosens, and i think there are probably more significant matters that we are looking at. we want to be thorough and complete in our investigation. >> can you say if it is clear to you how close the trump cabinet came to invoking the 25th amendment? >> i really can't. as you know, the amendment was not invoked. one of the things that we are looking at, as the committee is various statutes, and the 25th amendment has a provision for setting up a committee, which has never been enacted. that is something that we may look at, whether we will come up for a recommendation, too early to say.

obviously, the amendment was not invoked, and, there has been public reporting that i won't go into this testimony, but reporters and alike that it was discussed that ultimately did not happen. >> you are also on the house judiciary committee, as i mentioned. i wonder what your reaction is to attorney general mark garland statement today and his move to unseal the warrant an inventory list for the search a mar-a-lago? >> i thought it was very smart. actually, the department kept the fact of the execution of the warmth secret. it was the former president himself who announced it. therefore, they don't need to protect that information. he released it. here is the concern. it is tremendous public interest in this, as you know, but there is also some rhetoric among some of my colleagues that i think is dangerous.

for example, paul gosar said that the fbi raid on trump's home tells us one thing. failure is not an option, we must destroy the fbi, we must save america. there was an individual who was present on january six, who tried to shoot up the fbi office in ohio today. so, there are unhinged people taking their lead from over the top runner that has no information. i don't know what was in that warmth. none of my colleagues to other. i think getting the information out, so everybody can know what the facts are, would help calm tensions, it would reduce violence, it's in the public interest. >> it does seem stunning, the number of your colleagues in the house and senate who, even if they are not directly saying

incredibly, potentially danger statements, they are sitting on programs, listen to other people saying it, and nodding and smiling along like the other night on fox. how concerned are you? you think the danger of political violence is escalating? >> i do very much so. we have already seen the incident in ohio, some of these right-wing online platforms people are talking about, violence just as they did before january six. now, i think we need to proceed carefully and not assume the worst, but i do think ratcheting down the over the top rhetoric, finding out what are the facts and then proceeding from there would be very helpful for the country. i don't understand how some of my colleagues can pop off with things that they don't know anything about, anymore than i do. any more than you do. let's find out with the truth. this >> congressman woman,

appreciate time, thank you. >> you bet. >> we will have more ahead on a man trying to storm a fbi office in ohio, after making threats parts against the borough and look at the search of the form presidents mention. we will have more and i had. it's all right there in the census. see where a few details can lead with the 1950 census on ancestry.

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we're ending tonight where we began, begin with the ohio tack on the fbi because this is a developing story that we will fall on the days ahead. here is the latest, the men not that who tried to breach the cincinnati office, was armed with an ar-15 style rifle and now gun, has been identified as ricky shiffer. he was killed after a long standoff with police. the fbi is not investigating his social media presidents and whether he had ties to any right-wing extremist groups. a federal law enforcement source tells cnn that authorities are looking into whether the suspects had tied into any group that also participated in the january 6th attack on the capitol, or if he himself took part. there is a true social account bearing his name, referring to his attempt to storm and fbi office and encouraging others to prepare for a revolutionary type war. authorities are not yet confirmed the account belongs to shiffer, but a lot enforcement sources tell