we're ending tonight where we began, begin with the ohio tack on the fbi because this is a developing story that we will fall on the days ahead. here is the latest, the men not that who tried to breach the cincinnati office, was armed with an ar-15 style rifle and now gun, has been identified as ricky shiffer. he was killed after a long standoff with police. the fbi is not investigating his social media presidents and whether he had ties to any right-wing extremist groups. a federal law enforcement source tells cnn that authorities are looking into whether the suspects had tied into any group that also participated in the january 6th attack on the capitol, or if he himself took part. there is a true social account bearing his name, referring to his attempt to storm and fbi office and encouraging others to prepare for a revolutionary type war. authorities are not yet confirmed the account belongs to shiffer, but a lot enforcement sources tell us a

photo on the account matches a photo i. d.. the fbi declined to comment, citing ongoing investigation. you can always listen to our podcast, go to cnn. com slash podcasts or any of the major platforms. just search for anderson cooper to 60. news continues right now, let's send it over the summer santa and cnn tonight. >> it is a good podcast, i do listen, thank you anderson. i am sara sidner, and this is cnn tonight, and we begin with breaking news this thursday. and astonishingly report this evening by the washington post. the newspaper citing people familiar with the search of the president mar-a-lago home, a report that classified documents related to the nuclear weapons were among the items fbi agents when they went to donald trump's property on monday. the post says experts and classified information -- underscores the deep uncertain of government officials about the types of officials who thought they could be located

there. most sources did not offer additional details but we're type of emission agents were seeking, whether it involved weapons involving the united states or some other nation. nor did they say if any documents were uncovered as part of the search. cnn is reaching out to damage up and representatives for comment, but this adds a whole new level today that was already extraordinary, as the attorney general the united states announced the doj had asked the judge to unseal the mar-a-lago search warrant and property receipt, both of which donald trump did receive. i want to bring in cnn national security analyst, julia cain, who served at the apartment of homeland security under president obama. welcome to the show, julia. >> thanks for having me. >> juliet, let's talk this, there are so many questions right now, and this is a bombshell. if the post reporting is correct that this is something to do with documents relating to nuclear weapons, but if it

is not something like code, which i would be expired but now, what could they possibly going after. what could he have any possession that this is the sensitive? >> that is a good question. the post reporters to some of the best national security report is out there, and they have strong sourcing, so we should assume and have confidence that some of the materials, some, we don't know what percentage, we're trying to be obtained by the fbi. that, we know. the other thing we know is that the decision responsible at doj for the search, the legal division, is a division within the national security division at the og, called the counter intelligence and export control division. why, that sounds waukee and not revel and, it is actually quite relevant. expert control is about the position of materials related to national security, whether

you will saw them, whether you are keeping them, whether you are going to toss them out the window, it does not matter. it has to do with the position of national security papers or whatever else, it may be. we know those two facts. there is lots of speculation now. i can put that into perspective. the other is the range of possibilities at the stage. i don't want people to get all process right now because we don't know what it isn't it. here is the range of possibilities, that donald trump was in possession of information related to an enemy. and i am not going to get into the lied to donald trump rotunda because we don't know yet, and he is not -- >> only he knows about. it >> he is a careless person, you never took a stop to see. if you are the enemy, and you are worried that donald trump has -- what will he do with it? that could incite a national security problem that the biden administration has to do it.

the second possibility is that it is a nuclear information, not coating, but information but weapons or where they are stored or other capabilities of an ally. that too is a problem because the allies will not be untrustworthy about what they share with us. once again, it is a problem for the biden administration, if this is true. the third and potentially worst-case scenario is that this is information about the united states arsenal and, once again, showing trump's dereliction of duty, his inability to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic. if there is more information about where they are stored, their capabilities, what is working and what's not. he's next president. you certainly know that there are challenges in the nuclear arsenal, and whether he wanted to retain him because he just likes it, or was going to do something with it, we don't know.

my expert opinion, that is the range of possibilities so people can understand that we are still not there yet, but none of it is good, i will say that. that range is also terrifying to some degree, listening to you discuss what this could be. again, we need to make clear, we don't know exactly what it is, and we don't know whether or not the fbi was able to obtain those records, but we are hearing this reporting. as you said, the washington post has a lot of inside information from sources and have not been wrong once. julia, please stick around, us bring in former assistant attorney general, tom the pre and former fbi counter espionage chief, peter strzok. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us. peter, i want to go to you right now, the question i have is if this was a regular person, and i put that lightly, i guess, but not a former president,

someone not in a high position in our society, how will they be treated if they took something that was sensitive enough for the fbi to go in and take it from their homes? >> that is a good question, because there are a number of former high-ranking officials where i was present on search warrants that were executed of recovered classified information, and they did not get the benefit of the negotiation of the department justice. you see this in the return of the material. look, attorney general eric grande made clear during his speech that they did approach this case differently, simply because it was the president. i think that is appropriate, we have never had a president subject to a search warrant for and our nation's history, and whatever the practice in the past the department of justice when it comes to things like recovering classified information, i think attorney mark garland laid out a clear case that there was a measured approach, they attempted to use the least intrusive means and disagree between the lines,

only after they were unable to gain to recover the information that they thought was there. perhaps they had it and additional tips that there is more information that had not been turnover. only after they tried businesses depths to take a two very significant step of getting a search warrant on the foreign president. given the washington post article, it should put the bet any amount of concern for anybody across the park political spectrum about whether this is a serious matter. as juliette said, the nuclear secrets, whether it is our nation or others, are among the most hearted and classified of any service in the government. it is entirely appropriate, if this is material recovered, it is entirely appropriate my opinion that they had to go to a search warrant to recover that information. >> down to pre-, i have to ask you, you just heard from peter, he was talking about potentially a tip, and there is reporting that somebody tipped off the fbi and doj that there

were more documents and set the documents that were left and handed over by trump or's attorneys. if that is the case, then how guarded is this really sensitive information, if somebody knew what they had that wasn't the president. >> it does not exactly appear that it was for talks over there. lastly, the world anything with one is random individuals pointing to sensitive nuclear information. i think the post reporting dispose part of the mystery that is throwing around the series events since monday. it explains why the justice department felt such a sense of urgency. i think there are fair questions raised why they executed a search warrant against the former president, -- this helps explain it. this nuclear formation, if that is what they were going, for that explains why they could not go the ordinary traditional route of negotiation. where they cannot afford to wait for another subpoena, and why they had to make the

extraordinary decision to send law enforcement and to the president's house to seize the material and information. >> juliet, can you give us a sense of what this is going to be like? peter, i will also ask you this, for those that weren't in contempt or auto hoops, didn't go to a judge, and even before then, we heard from former president trump and those around him that we have a great return ship, we have a great relationship, i don't know why he did this. what does this tell us about why did this. it sounds like there were some lying going on. >> oh yeah, absolutely, and one of this we just don't know if this was a carelessness. i think this was more intentional at this stage only because donald trump to give up materials. you think about records. we know that. we know of the boxes were confiscated, so why were these materials, which, once again, we don't know which percentage other missiles involved

sympathies near secrets, and we don't know if there is one country that is particularly interested in. we know he has a strange relationship with north korea, north korean nuclear issue is a big one, obviously for our national security. we simply do not know at this stage, but he clearly was willing to give up some materials and not these. from an investigatory perspective, even a counter espionage one, if our spy, is why were you willing to give up the senate and not. that is where the motivation will go. i just want to say one thing also. for three days, we had to hear a political apparatus, and i am only saying this because it is related to the story at the day they defend donald trump and challenge the fbi. that likely resulted in some violence today. so, everyone needs to take a deep breath because if you are supporting donald trump or confront the fbi under the bus,

just me, this is not getting better. this story is not getting better for donald trump. it is only getting worse. we don't know what it looks like, but if this story, as i believe, because of the reporters has any foundation, there will be no justification, whether it was the nuclear materials, an enemy or risky scenario, of us. >> juliet, look at the some of that and some of what we have been hearing or the past 72 hours. it is is disturbing and tack on the fbi. peter, i do want to ask you about the rank and file here and those attacks and what you think that has done after they have gone in on this extremely sensitive mission that they had to have known was going to have blowback at some point. you think they were expecting this, and were you happy with what ag garland said about those attacks against the rainfall? >> i think the fbi, the

department of justice and rest of the executive branch spent four years in the trump administration. they are familiar with the attacks that he began when he was running for president, talking about the corrupt fbi investigation of how we couldn't, and that criticism remained unabated, firing official after official. i certainly think while agents and investigators were prepared for it, it is never welcomed. people go in and put their head down, they look at the jump in front of them and they tried to protect and defend the american people and constitution every day. but that voices in the background. the thing that changed now, we have a gunmen attack the fbi office in cincinnati. after the execution of the search warrant, you have senators talking about the fbi maybe planting evidence. you have all these pro trump supporters saying things essentially like, this is war, this is the beginning of a civil war. they encourage violence. it is not just the vocal rhetoric, we know how people physically attacking fbi

offices, i think is a direct result and control a lot to the media response of trump supporters, admittedly following the search. we absolutely have the dow down the rhetoric. i think as an fbi employee, investigating, it is one thing to be targeted and harassed by the right-wing media or the foreign president, it is one thing entirely to having look over your shoulder and look for our vehicles as your driving into work every day. that is something we absolutely -- marks a very troubling emerging trend. >> peter, we are going to get to all of that in a bit, what you are just talking about. julie it, kind, thank you for your expertise. tom and peter, please stick around, our coverage of the stunning new reporting on the search at mar-a-lago, including a reported search for nuclear weapons documents continues in just a bit. when i will talk to former director of national intelligence, james clapper.

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news and new details of the fbi searching for classified documents related to nuclear weapons that president trump's mar-a-lago resort. this report comes from sources who spoke with the washington post. they did not say whether these potential documents were recovered. obviously, this news possesses major questions about national security. so, i want to bring in national security expert, former director of national intelligence, james clapper. clapper, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> in hearing this latest news, i think there are a lot of jaws that drop, certainly, in my sphere. what is your biggest concern after hearing this reporting from the post? this may have been about trying to take back documents that have to do with nuclear weapons that were inside the former presidents residence. >> sarah, when this story first

broke about the search at mar-a-lago, and i was asked what would be the range of classified formation that is conceivably stored there? i speculated that, nuclear weapons related to information would top the range of holy. i doubted it because i thought donald trump would protect those kind of secrets. well, apparently that is not the case. having said that, we don't know, as juliette said in the last segment, exactly what we are talking about here, whether this is foreign -- information on foreign nuclear weapons or the worst-case, as she said, our own systems. potentially, this is dangerous.

if, for example, there are deficiencies, maintenance issues, logistic issues, training issues, both of our minutemen grand base of the intercontinental ballistic force or a submarine launched missile force. that is very dangerous to the national security, just to have that material laying around. the mind runs wild here. for me, what on earth was the motivation for prolonging this kind of data from the white house into a completely unsecured area like mar-a-lago? that, again, the imagination can run wild here as to what the motivation might have been. >> we did hear in the last couple of days and on the show from a couple of wet white house spokespeople who came out and said, look, we were there and saw carelessness when it

came to donald trump dealing with some of the documents. they weren't sure if they were confidential or highly classified documents, but there was a carelessness by which she dealt with it. whether it is carelessness, whether it is trying to hold on to something as a souvenir, if you will or whether it is more nefarious, does it matter if it was found inside of his home as to why he had it? does that matter legally? >> it really doesn't. whatever the motivation was, you will find yourself almost hoping that this was carelessness, and that there was not some more nefarious motivation here. was there for example, and i am really going out on a limb, some prospects for some kind of sweetheart deal with putin? again, the mind races as to what the motivation is, but your point is well taken. it does not really matter. the fact that it is that

sensitive classified information is outside authorized areas and being stored loosely at mar-a-lago. , without a lot of oversight or insight into who is in and out of that residence. >> can you give me a sense of. when there are documents like this, and just use with the post is reporting that these might be related to nuclear weapons, or does that look like in normal times? how are those things stored and kept and safeguard it in a normal setting? >> these are among the most tightly protected, tightly guarded and tightly retained classified information that we have. our nuclear capability is at

the very root of our deterrance posture. this is would protect this country from other nuclear powers attacking us. so, obviously, any revelations about our nuclear capability or our deficiencies in our nuclear capability is a very sensitive and very dangerous to our national security. highly protected, even within a military channel, where it is relied on. this is, again, potentially, we don't know the specifics, but potentially, this is really concerning. >> i tell you, mr. clapper, that i had chills down my spine when you mentioned the potential for the various activity. it may not be an telecoms part, there are clearly someone else reportedly must have known or seen something, because there was a tipster, according to reporting, this is really serious stuff, to see the release. i thank you for coming on the show to give us some insight into all of this. >> thanks, sarah.

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transparency, that's where donald trump and his allies have clambered four. and now, the attorney general today offering the former president exactly where he asked for. >> the department filed a motion to make public the mourned and receipt in light of the former presidents public confirmation of the search, the surrounding circumstances and the substantial public interest in this matter. first, i personally approve the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter. the department does not take such decisions lightly. where possible, it is standard practice to see less intrusive means as an alternative to a search and to narrowly scope any surge that is undertaken. >> a judge says the justice department had until 3 pm eastern tomorrow to inform the court if trump's lawyers will

will support the unsealing or object to it. former assistant attorney general tommy dupree and peter strzok are both back with me. and thank you for sticking around. >> thank you. >> i'm curious from you, peter, about what just happened today. the washington post reporting is a jaw-dropping. but so was this press conference. have you ever seen something like this? from the ag on this case? >> i certainly seen it -- never on the case about a former president, that's for sure. we are in uncharted territory. whether it's the search and mar-a-lago, whether it's the decision that the ag should or should not say something. whether there's an ultimate decision about whether or not to charge the former president with a crime, none of this has happened before in our nation's history. i have not seen anything like this, because i don't think any of us have seen something like. this i think the attorney general has done an extraordinary job today. here is a man who is clear who

has entered the job seeking to return normalcy to the department of justice. seeking to reestablish passed norms and for him to say anything is extraordinary, but to say it and the way that he did and laying out the reasons why he was doing and not doing certain things, explaining the presumption of innocence, explaining why he was not going to give some detail, but at the same time, offering and saying that they were moving to unseal the warrant and some of the attachments. clearly, i think transmitted information to the american people that they wanted to hear. at the same time, with the ball and trump's court. the department wants it. okay, mr. former president, you claim you want it out there? it's your move. what you're going to do? it's an extraordinary job. job well done. finally, his support and words of support to the men and women of the fbi and the department of justice is that absolutely certainly very welcomed within the halls of the fbi and doj. >> mr. dupree, do you think in

this case, without saying it explicitly, that garland called trump's bluff? it seems like a game is being played here. we know that donald trump's attorneys were given both a search warrant and the receipt that was left behind telling you what has been taken out. so they could release it themselves but at the same time we want more transparency. >> right, i was always one of the more puzzling aspects of this whole episode. on one hand, the president and his supporters were beating the drums saying transparency, transparency, transparency and you've got us put the spotlight on prosecute quickened overreach. you have the silk wasn't possession of the ski documents. the itemized receipt of the items at mar-a-lago. yet, they themselves, even though they could put those documents out and the public elected not to. i think with the attorney general did today was a bit of a jiu-jitsu move. it was very careful and saying the president himself has

called attention to the search and that's why i feel comfortable speaking about. it would happened today? i agree with peter. absolutely extraordinary. it's virtually carved into the hall of the justice department 's facade that thou shall not discuss ongoing investigations. for the attorney general to get up and address the nuances and the search warrant absolutely extraordinary. it's the right move. i wish we could've done it sooner and again, like peter, i very much appreciated that you stuck up and put in a good word for the men and women of the fbi who i think in many cases there integrity has been unfairly based sicily attacked. >> peter, why do you think he garland took the 60 ordinary move? is it because he knows which isn't that search warrant and he knows how serious it is or for some other reason? >> i think there is primarily -- whether or not there is compelling public interest. you mentioned that standard. whether there's the department guidelines in this idea that there are extraordinary cases of public interest that

dictates a certain way to think about whether or not you should speak to something. i think he was certainly aware that given the significance of this event. again, we are also stunt for the past 34 days that sometimes we just step back and say, the fbi searched the residents of the former president still shocks, and so based on that, and i think appropriately, my guess is he decided it was appropriate to say something, particularly in light of -- i mean there are senators. united states senators claiming or suggesting that the fbi agents were perhaps planting evidence. people should know better. responsible people who said the quote the tone of discourse and the american public discourse. they were wildly irresponsible. the attorney general saw an important need to do it, but did so in a way that was very tailored to the guidelines that the doj has to follow. again, providing enough information to say we would like to make this public.

we are doing this because the presidents attorney already mentioned this. again, i think it was a very delicately navigated course that he did and did very well. >> tom i want to ask you about the fine print points because i looked at the language, as to opening up a search warrant. and it says, in many different places, if trump approves, if trump and his attorney approves, and it's said over and over again, so right now the only thing stopping this from coming out, i'm assuming, and from the judge from opening up the search warrant to the public, is if donald trump and his lawyers say don't do it. is that correct? >> that's my -- it seems to me it would be somewhat extraordinary of both the justice department and the trump lawyers all said unseal this document and for some reason the judge declined to do it. i know this judge. have already been in front of this judge. i think he's a thoughtful guy.

i think it would take this job very seriously. if all parties are saying transparency is important. let's put this on the public record. it's beyond me when interest the judge get identify and i would require keeping it under seal. again, very interesting to see with the trump team does. i think a position that that if they were somehow to assert secrecy and say we must remain under seal, number, one i think it will contradict a lot of what they've been saying the last few days. number two, the judges might disregarded anyways and at least the information -- released the information regardless. >> we have about 15, 16, 17 hours until 3 pm eastern. when the judge will make this decision. we will see then whether or not this is going to be released. there are a lot of people who would like to put eyes on that. tom dupree, peter, thank you so much. please stay with me. coming up, scary moments for fbi agents today and police and cincinnati. what we are learning about the man who tried to breach an fbi

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disturbing new need hills in the case of an armed man who tried to storm an fbi office in

cincinnati, ohio with an ar-15 style rifle and engage in a shootout with authorities. tonight, sources tell cnn the suspect is identified as 42 -year-old ricky schiff or. he was killed in the standoff just hours ago after authorities say he raised a gun at police officers. authorities are looking at sheriff's potential ties with right-wing extremist. cnn discovered social media accounts bearing shivers name, and photo, including one on donald trump's truth social platform. these are posted about today's attempted fbi ambush. well, it says in quotes, i thought i had a way through bulletproof class and i didn't. if you don't hear for me, it is true. i tried attacking the fbi, and it will mean either i was taken off the internet, the fbi got me or they sent regular cops. the posting seems to have ended midsentence. that's not on, after the fbi

search mar-a-lago, where the user posted several violent messages toward the agency, including, quote, this is ear call to arms from me. get whatever you need to be ready for combat. when tyranny becomes law, rebellion becomes duty. and he posted, killed them in response to the possibility of fbi breaking a pro-trump demonstrations in palm beach home of mar-a-lago. authorities are also looking into whether schiff or was at the capitol on january 6th. fbi veteran peter strzok is back with us now. when you hear these words and you've also heard the words tyranny from elected officials and republican elected officials to be clear. you've heard the words dictatorial and you heard the words defund the fbi. when you hear these things coming and you hear the words of this person who tried to, according to police, break-in

to the fbi with a weapon, which is your response to witnesses and wet this may be a result of? >> it's chilling. i think for a lot of politicians, right-wing personalities, this is performance art. they get up there and say things that they know are going to help them with fundraising that are going to show off their base and support. but their target audience within that, there is a small percentage who takes it very seriously and who believes in this crazy conspiracy theories. we have access to weapons and are willing to do it at the the start of a civil war. a call to violence, a call to war. the trouble is that because they're out there, used to be a crazy conspiracy theory -- now with the pro filler shun of social media -- it's not the twitter or facebook, but things like pictured up wind, donald dot wind and some of more the french sites. groups of people can talk to each other and encourage dialogue, and even if one tenth

or 1% decides they need to take arms, that is still potentially a huge number of people. the task for lawn forsman to try to monitor that in a legal way in accordance to the first amendment to prevent harm to see it before it happens is extraordinarily difficult. i'm really concerned that there seems to be a disconnect between people on the ground that are engaging in violence and an unwillingness for politicians and others to understand the fires -- >> i don't see how they don't understand it, since we just, a couple of years ago, watched something that happened at the capitol. the january 6th attack. we saw it there. we saw the lead up to that. it was online and it turned out that it turned into something real, physical and violent. i do want to ask you if you've been hearing from any -- at the fbi. anybody in the doj who is looking at all of that has been said by elected officials and by what is going on online, and then this, with their feeling

at this point in time? >> i think people are concerned first and foremost because it's the fbi's job to prevent domestic terrorism to prevent the sort of violence. there are a lot of people working very hard to try to get ahead of acts of violence like that. again, at the same time, by all accounts, and we don't know much of this point and the investigation is still very, very early. in many cases individuals radicalize on their own. they may not be part of some big group that the fbi can detect the conspiracy ahead of time. at the same time you're seeing this violence directed to the fbi. we have this judge who's signed the warrant down in florida who's being threatened because people found out who the judge was. they publicize his name, his family, his address. we are entering a period where people are now taking it to law enforcement. taking it to the department of justice. taking it to the judges. not angry rhetoric, but physical violence. threats of death, and trying in

fact to engage in that. on the one hand, there's an extraordinary effort to try to get ahead of this crime. at the same time in bc becoming increasingly at a real personal cost. >> peter strzok. thank you. from cincinnati to washington. the question tonight, where does this rhetoric and? can more violence by americans against americans be curved? our legal and political experts to join me with answers to these questions next.

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it's been hours since the fbi certain donald trump's florida home and support nurse had one rezoning sentiment this mint civil war. a war against the tyranny of what they call a weaponized justice department, not just calling to defend the fbi, but to see its total disintegration and for quote, -- the agents involved in the mar-a-lago search. it may not come as a surprise to some today, an armed man with possible ties january 6th try to break into an fbi office and was killed by local police. joining me now is cnn legal analyst paul callan, former secret agent jonathan -- and doug hyde.

i'm coming for you first, doug. we have heard from elected officials at the republican party saying on minor of things using the word tyranny, dictatorial, defund the fbi. should they stop? saying these things? when they know that the fbi was just doing their job? >> one, they never should've started. let's start there. a lot of people were trying to urge restraint within the party and unfortunately maybe one of them were not getting very far and it's not just defund the fbi, which politically is a bad message for republicans. it's destroy the fbi, which is would politics are set. marjorie taylor greene that defund the fbi and before that she tweeted a picture of an upside down american flag. that's a signal, according to the flag, it's the flag code of distress under extreme danger to life or property. in other words, it's not a tweet or a message, but a call to arms. there will be more violence and members of congress who have seen their capital police

killed, who have seen their other colleagues, whether it's steve scalise or gabby giffords shot at and maimed, we're going to see this happen again and they're going to have to answer for it eventually. >> can i ask you, as a former secret service agent, paul, what's that moment must have been like as they are there, sorry, jonathan, as they are there to sort of protect the former president, and yet, i have to listen to the fbi, i'm assuming. what was that moment like? >> very smartly, cooler heads prevail. a coordination was in advance of the raid, in advance of the search and seizure of mar-a-lago. communications between the fbi and secret service did occur. the reason why is because you want to deconflict any issues. you do not want a bunch of fbi agents showing up, having conflict, because what does it do? it causes chaos at the entrance to mar-a-lago. the intent was not to draw a

lot of attention to this. they wanted to come in. we saw -- we read from reporting that the secret service felicitated their entry into the facility. they got them where they needed to go. -- was verified by the secret service. everyone knows their roles and responsibilities. what's important here, sarah, it's to understand for the viewers to understand, secrets agents are criminal investigators. every single day they swear oath, criminal complaints, warrants of search and seizures, they know what's at stake they help their law enforcement brethren go in and do their job. this was not -- the agents that showed up there did not have political motivations. they were doing with their charge to do every single day. >> paul callan, you are our legal analyst. so many legals are facing donald trump and his businesses as well.

when you look at what happened at mar-a-lago, does it appear to you from what you've seen so far, you heard merrick garland say, hey, we're going to let the public see the search warrant. we know donald trump releases attorneys have a copy of that. are all the eyes and -- eyes dotted east crossed? >> it's really impossible to know that at this point in time, because we have not seen the warrant supporting documentation. another, what's an fbi agent had to sign off on with the evidence was, creating probable cause. what we have seen, and i think this is extremely unfortunate, are these incendiary accusations made by the former president and other people, that for instance, the fbi planted evidence. i've heard people say, well, it's horrible that that's what they did. wait a minute. the fbi go in on this raid with a bunch of other fbi agents with secret surgeon service agents around. it would be virtually impossible for them to plant evidence. maybe that has happened at some point in american history, but

it certainly did not happen with respect to this particular raid. i think we've all got to take a deep breath and step back and see what the facts are. maybe in the and this was an unjustifiable weren't, and it wasn't a raid on mar-a-lago. but you know something? maybe, just maybe, there was good reason for it and good cause for it, and we don't have enough facts yet to have an opinion on that. nothing happens that a vacuum. we know this with politics. >> when you look at this, and you see the washington post reporting now that there may have been something to do with nuclear weapons, this documentation, what would you like to say to the republican party about how they've handled this? because they're fundraising off of this. i'm getting the emails. >> any movie or tv show that you see or book you read, when you make a deal with the devil there's a price to pay. ultimately, this is what republicans are learning constantly and re-learning. donald trump does not give points. he only takes them away one at

a time. that's why every republican, or almost every republican is not questioning the doj and did they do the right thing? was there transparency? some are asking that. those are reasonable questions. they're taking one or two steps further all in adherence to not principles of black or blue or law and order or rule of law. but to back one man and make them happy so they don't lose points today or tomorrow. >> it's because they're afraid to lose their powers? positions? >> and voters. >> voters, right? gentlemen, thank you. paul callan, jonathan, doug hyde. i appreciate all of your expertise. i know this is been a wild ride. we will be right back.

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thank you so much for hanging with me. laura coats is sitting in for don lemon tonight, and that begins right now. >> hey, sarah. nice to see you. hey, girl. hey, hey, hey girl. this is don lemon tonight, i'm laura coats sitting in front on women. we are beginning with a major development, which may explain partially the fbi's urgency and getting back classified documents with