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failed the country. >> live from cnn center, this is "cnn newsroom." we now know why fbi agents searched former u.s. president donald trump's mar-a-lago home and we're learning details about some of the items they took. according to a warrant unsealed friday, agents were looking for evidence of possible crimes including potential violations of the espionage act related to the gathering, loss or destruction of u.s. defense information. property receipts also unsealed on friday reveals that fbi agents recovered 11 sets of classified documents including several marked top secret. they also seized several photo binders, information about the president of france and a document about pardoning roger stone, a staunch trump ally convicted of lying to congress. we explain what the unsealed

documents tell us about the ongoing investigation. >> reporter: on friday a federal court in florida released seven pages of documents that represent that unprecedented search and seizure that took place, the home of former president trump in south florida. so what we learned from these records is that there were 33 different boxes or items carried out of mar-a-lago that become evidence in this ongoing criminal probe into the handling of federal records. that includes a leather bound box of documents with various classified top secret specialized compartmented information. so that's a label in the classification system, the highest type of secrecy level that you can have in the federal government, tssci. there also are secret documents, top secret documents, confidential documents all taken out of mar- a-lago by the fbi when they conducted that search.

we also know from these documents that were released that there are three different criminal statutes being investigated here, that investigators believe there would be evidence of these crimes that they would find if they conducted this search, if and when they conducted the search. that includes the espionage act, the mishandling of records pertaining to the national defense. so the type of forms, documents, papers that could be very harmful to the united states if they got into the wrong hands. also there is the obstruction of federal investigation, obstruction of justice that is being investigated, a very serious felony. there is also a criminal statute over records, maintenance of records, the concealment of records that prohibits removing them or hurting them in some way, destroying them. all of this is being investigated. no one at this point has been charged in this and the documents did not identify who was even under investigation here, but there is a clear statement being made by this search by these documents of the search warrant that it's

showing that there was a search for presidential records and also national defense secrets being conducted at mar-a-lago on monday. that search was fruitful. at the end of the day we did get a statement from donald trump saying that all they had to do was ask. all the feds needed to do was ask for this and we would have returned it to them, but that clearly has not been the case given that in the history of this investigation so far we know that the national archives was asking for the return of these. they had been subpoenaed and then finally it prompted the search that took place on monday. >> joining me now is civil rights attorney and cnn legal analyst joining us from massachusetts. thanks so much for being here with us. starting big picture, what do you make of the unsealed search warrant? what surprised you the most here? >> well, what surprised i think all of us is the level of

detail that the justice department provided to this judge that ultimately signed off on this search warrant. we know that donald trump and many republicans are complaining and suggesting that somehow this is a politically motivated action and that this is some kind of nefarious act against the former president, but what's clear from what we have been told by the department of justice is that there were grounds, there was sufficient evidence, so sufficient that a federal judge signed off on a search warrant of this former president's private residence. we know this is unprecedented in u.s. history, but the acts that donald trump engaged in in terms of taking secret, confidential, highly sensitive documents from the white house, very serious allegations against him and very serious

actions that required this level of intervention from the fbi and the department of justice. >> yeah. i mean in that list of potential crimes some come under the espionage act, but that doesn't necessarily mean spying as it sort of sounds to the layperson, i guess. it's pretty broad. take us through that. >> yes. you're right, kim. when we hear the word espionage, automatically i think people think it relates to spying on the u.s. government, but that act covers things broader than just spying. it covering things such as the removal of sensitive documents that could land in the hands of a foreign adversary, someone or some governmental entity that is adverse to the united states and we don't know exactly what is in the documents that donald trump removed from the white house, but we know those documents are highly sensitive, many of them documents only meant to be reviewed inside the

white house, document that were never meant to be removed from the inner sanctum of the white house and the fact that these documents have been taken to a private residence could potentially end up again in the hands of a foreign adversary warranted the level of intervention that we've seen with respect to this search warrant. >> yeah. but, you know, former president trump has claimed that he declassified all the documents which doesn't necessarily matter in terms of breaking the rules of taking them home, but how valid is this, you know, so- called declassification magic wand as a defense? >> yeah. what we hear donald trump claiming, as you said, kim, is he as president at the time had authority to declassify these document, but the three laws, the potential laws that were broken by donald trump by

removal of these documents, the fact that he may in his opinion declassify these documents doesn't justify the removal, still creates the possible for criminal actions on his part. again, these documents highly sensitive documents, document that if landed in the hands of a foreign adversary could be adverse to the united states and this judge knew full well that donald trump had the authority as president to declassify some documents, but still went forward in signing off on this search warrant. so it's not going to be a defense that he has the power as the sitting president to declassify documents. these are very serious -- possibly donald trump is facing very serious charges. we don't know if there will be an indictment of the president for the removal of the documents, but i think one thing that's important to note,

kim, is this didn't happen in a vacuum. there have been multiple, multiple actions on the part of the department of justice, on the part of the fbi to communicate with donald trump's legal team to try to negotiate with his legal team for the return of these documents. we know a subpoena was issued to donald trump in an effort to get documents returned and we know that some document were returned to the united states government, but not all of the documents. so the fact that donald trump refused to return these sensitive documents again suggests that he may be again not certain, but definitely the potential is is there that he could be facing some very serious charges. >> we'll keep watching this fast developing story. thank you so much for being here with us, really appreciate it. >> thanks, kim. >> among the 11 sets of classified documents taken from trump's home one was labeled with the highest classification, top secret sci

for sensitive compartmented information. former u.s. defense secretary william cohen spoke to cnn about why these types of documents should never have been at mar-a-lago. here he is. >> there's no plausible reason for a former president to have this kind of information in his presence or in that of his home. anyone involved in intelligence matters knows how serious this is. going back to my own experience at the defense department, the defense department spends almost $800 billion a year. with that money we recruit, we train and equip the men and women of our military to be the finest fighting force on earth. they give up their limbs and lives for us. we should never do anything that compromises their security in any fashion. that's the reason for the top

level, top secret sci compartmentization. >> fbi director christopher wray is warning bureau agents and employees to be vigilant and alert due to an unprecedented wave of violence against the agency. sources tell cnn the two agents who signed the warrant and federal judge who authorized it are among those seeing threats. wray said the bureau is adjusting its security posture and called on the public to immediately report anything suspicious. we're learning more about the suspect who attempted to breach an fbi field office in cincinnati ohio. >> reporter: new details tonight about the armed suspect who was shot and killed after allegedly trying to get into the fbi's cincinnati field office including how the recent fbi search at donald trump's mar-a-lago estate may have inspired him. the ohio state highway patrol identifying the suspect as 42- year-old ricky shiffer of

columbus, a former u.s. navy fire control technician who a source tells cnn brought a high powered rifle to the fbi office. we've learned minutes after the attempted breach a post was made by an account bearing shiffer's name on the donald trump founded site truth social. at 9:29 a.m. the user posted, "well, i thought i had a way through bulletproof glass and i didn't. if you don't hear from me, it is true. i tried attacking the fbi and it will mean either i was taken off the internet, the fbi got me or they sent the regular cops while," the post abruptly ends presumably as the chase ensued. the account saw an uptick in posts following the search in mar-a-lago. on august 8th the user write, "evil already won. now we need to fight a civil war to take back the country." on august 9th, the day after the mar-a-lago search, the user encouraged people to go to palm beach and if fbi agents broke

up the group, "kill them." investigators have not yet confirmed if that account belonged to shiffer, but a law enforcement source tells an image on the account matched a government id photo of him. >> donald trump has an amazing amount of influence over people who harbor these sort of beliefs when he baselessly floats out an allegation as he did on monday about the fbi possibly planting evidence in his residence, which we all know there's been absolutely zero proof produced for that. >> reporter: after shiffer took off from the field office troopers located him, exchanged fire and surrounded him. >> law enforcement officers attempted to negotiate with the suspects. >> reporter: he was killed at the scene. two sources tell cnn shiffer was previously known to the fbi in connection to january 6th and because of his link to associates within the proud boys. >> it was troubling officers to see what happened in cincinnati

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author salman rushdie remains hospitalized after he was attacked at a book event in new york state friday morning. witnesses say a man rushed the stage stabbing him at least one in the neck and abdomen. that suspect is now in custody. rushdie's agent told "the new york times" that he's on a ventilator with damage to his liver and the nerves in his arm and he will likely lose an eye. >> reporter: famed author salman rushdie was scheduled to speak at a lecture series at

the chautauqua institution when witnesses say a man jumped onto the stage just as the event was getting underway and began punching and stabbing rushdie. one witness tells cnn she counted roughly seven to ten stabbing motions before fleeing for her own safety. rushdie suffered stab wounds to the income and abdomen according to new york state police and was airlifted to an area hospital. >> it's a state police officer who stood up and saved his life, protected him as well as the moderator who was attacked as well. >> reporter: the suspect was quickly taken into custody. new york state police identified him as 24-year-old hadim matar. >> there was a lot of screaming and crying and everything, people rushing from the audience up on the stage. >> reporter: the 75-year-old author was born in mumbai and later moved to the uk. rushdie is accustomed to living

under threat. his controversial fourth novel "the satanic verses" published in 1988 sparked public demonstrations all over the world. some muslims considered the book sacrilegious. in 1989 the late iranian leader ayatollah khomeini enlisted a fatwa, a religious decree, calling on rushdie's death. the iranian government announced it will no longer enforce the fatwa. rushdie wrote a memoir about that era of his life called joseph antoine, the name he used while in heeding. he has hiding. >> the best thing i can do to fight this is to show in the way a child shows a bully in the playground i ain't scared of you and the best thing i can do is go on being the best writer i can be and to lead as

open a professional and personal life as i can and that's just a way of saying that there may be this danger and it's a terrible thing and an ugly thing and we need to fight it and we need to defeat it, but we don't have to hide under the bed. >> reporter: the fbi is now part of this investigation helping authorities learn more about the suspect, the motivation and whether or not this was part of some bigger plot to kill salman rushdie. of course, investigators still trying to go through a lot of information they're gathering including a backpack. they were waiting for a search warrant to go through that and also electronics and phones. authorities have a lot more to work through and we have yet to learn a lot more. in ukraine, a stern warning about the situation at the zaporizhzhia power plant. the facility is now at risk of violating radiation safety and fire safety standards. the company is blaming recent

shelling of the plant which russia and ukraine are pinning on each other. in the east russian troops gained some ground in one area after attacking the city from multiple directions. the ukrainian defenses held in other areas. 31 miles to the west the sea of kramatorsk came under fire damaging 20 residential buildings. five people were killed across the donetsk region including kramatorsk friday. 35 others were reportedly wounded. in kyiv president zelenskyy is making a case against letting russian citizens travel to europe. he says they shouldn't be allowed to use the so-called shengen visas that allow travelers through most european countries. >> first of all, it should be guaranteed that russian murderers and accomplices of state terror cannot use visas. secondly the idea of europe itself cannot get destroyed. our common european values cannot get destroyed meaning that we cannot turn europe into

a supermarket where it doesn't matter who is coming. what matters is only that the purchases are paid for. >> the shelling of the zaporizhzhia nuclear plant sounded the alarm about a potential nuclear incident. the u.n. secretary general called the attacks suicidal while the top u.n. nuclear watchdog warned the risk of a disaster is very real. cnn's david mckenzie looks into what could go wrong if the attacks continue. >> i've been speaking to experts. they say the biggest worry isn't necessarily a missile or rocket hitting the plant itself. they are surrounded in concrete. the bigger issue is if there is in the need upterm a shutdown of power and backup of power to that site to stop the cooling of the fuel rods from which

could then lead to a meltdown or possibly a leakage of some kind. the last few days certainly have been very alarming. there's been yesterday at least ten rocket strikes or munition strikes against the general area of the site according to ukrainians. russia continues to blame the ukrainian side for this and there doesn't seem to be any movement in solution that stops this zone and its workers there from being put at risk. one other thing people are asking for is to have blue helmets, a peace keeping force of some kind, placed inside that site. i think in the short term that's highly unlikely. never say never, but at the u.n. security council you had diplomats of both ukraine and russia yet again blaming each other for what is happening which indicates that maybe we're a long way off of some kind of settlement. let's listen to ukraine's ambassador first. >> dear colleagues, none of us can stop the wind if it carries

radiation, but together we are capable of stopping a terrorist state. >> the russian ambassador continues to say that ukraine is at fault and using language very similar to the ukrainian side just pointed in the other direction. >> we repeatedly warned our western colleagues that if they didn't talk some sense into the kyiv regime, it would take the most monstrous and irrational steps. >> the big issue here is the two side are very far apart on those statements, both sides flinging mud at the other. the bigger problem now is not necessarily who is doing the shelling but that the site is right there on the front lines unsecured and as an expert told me, everything with nuclear power is long term. you can't just turn off the lights and leave the site. you need ongoing cooling and safety of those spent fuel rods even.

that requires a long term solution that might be difficult given this war that shows no sign of being resolved one way or the other. >> at least 11 people including two children were killed in a mass shooting in montenegro friday according to state media. local police say the suspect first attacked a family living in his home as tenants, then went outside and shot other residents of the neighborhood. the witness said the shooter indiscriminately shot people walking through the street. the attacker is a 34-year-old man. he was shot dead by a civilian. a vigil in mexico for ten miners trapped more than a week now, relatives are growing impatient. some say they aren't being kept informed about any progress in the rescue efforts. authorities say there were three descents made friday and announced divers would enter the flooded part of the mine, but water levels were still too

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materials from donald trump's lord home on monday. according to the property receipt, agents found 11 sets of classified documents including some labeled top secret. why they were at mar-a-lago remains a mystery. the warrant unsealed friday revealed the search was executed based on potential violations of the espionage act and possible obstruction of justice. after monday's search of mar-a- lago many of donald trump's supporters and congress were howling for the u.s. justice department to unseal the search warrant, but now that it has while there's been little reaction from them on capitol hill. we have more from cnn's melanie zanona. >> reporter: we are hearing a slightly more muted response from house republicans, at least compared to their tone earlier when they were threatening investigations into the department of justice and attacking the fbi, but republicans on the house intelligence committee held a press conference on friday where they heaped praise on law

enforcement. they called on attorney general merrick garland to release more information and they acknowledge there are at least some scenarios in which they thought it would be problematic if trump was hanging onto highly classified documents. >> look at the premise of most of your questions. was it nuclear? was it -- heck, maybe it was aliens. that's the point. we don't know. we're asking them to tell us. >> there are a number of things that they could show us and i don't want to speculate what those would be that would obviously rise to the level of maybe you didn't have any options, but i'd be very, very, very surprised that's what those are considering the breadth of what they could have done besides this. >> reporter: house leader mccarthy called on more information to be released but dodged questions on if he thought any scenarios could be justified to conduct that search on mar-a-lago.

we should point out republicans are still standing by trump. they are still vowing to pursue oversight and investigations into the department of justice if they win back the majority, but it is clear they are starting to calibrate their response after "the washington post" report donald trump might be in possession of highly sensitive documents. >> david laughlin led the u.s. justice department's counterintelligence section until 2018. he oversaw investigations into both hillary clinton's and former cia director david petraeus' handling of classified records. here's what he had to say about the seizure of top secret documents from trump's residence. >> in some respects it's not that surprising given this president's consistent flagrant disregard for the protection of classified information and disregard for the intelligence community throughout his presidency, his careless,

reckless disclosure of sensitive classified information and this could be another version of that flagrant disregard and contempt. having said that, it is nonetheless shocking to me having overseen prosecutors of multiple defendants under provisions of the espionage act to see that same statute leveled as a foundation for a search warrant executed on the home of a former president of the united states. >> meanwhile there are new concerns over the safety of fbi agents. as cnn's brian todd explains, the mar-a-lago search appears to have amplified hostility in some quarters towards law enforcement officials. >> reporter: multiple law enforcement sources tell cnn they're closely monitoring violent rhetoric and threats that have spiked in online forums and other platforms since the fbi's raid on former president donald trump's mar-a- lago compound monday. shortly after the raid in an online forum dedicated to

trump, the phrase lock and load was one of the top comments posted. another post said attorney general merrick garland "needs to be assassinated, simple as that." one user posted, "kill all feds." >> we have never seen anything like this. as soon as the news broke about the fbi search of mar-a-lago, we saw angry cries from radical supporters of president trump, from a range of right wing extremists. >> reporter: one post that cnn found called for violence against fbi agents. former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe is now worried about agents' safety. >> potentially each one of those people as they go through community, knock on people's doors, show up at businesses, talk to sources of information and witnesses and victims of all sorts could potentially be a target. >> reporter: democratic congressman eric swalwell, a frequent target of the far right, posted on his twitter account a recording of a threat against him and his family

which he says came in after the mar-a-lago raid. >> cut his [ bleep ] head off. swallow the worthless piece of [ bleep ]. cut his wife's head off. cut his kids' head off. >> reporter: but other members of congress, hard line republicans, have contributed to the violent rhetoric since the raid on trump's florida home. >> we've seen paul gosar, elected member of congress, suggest we need to "destroy the fbi." >> reporter: the extremist online postings after the mar-a- lago raid were found by cnn correspondent donie o'sullivan who tracks extremists online and said this about that online forum supporting trump where some of those threats popped up. >> that website is where many people were talking about plans for january 6th in advance of the attack on the capitol, people discussing how to attack police officers. >> reporter: in fact, one reply to the lock and load threat came from an account run

by capitol insurrectionist tyler slaker according to the group advance democracy. the reply said, "are we not in a cold civil war at this point?" his lawyer did not respond to the request for comment. the anti-defamation league worries about what comes next. >> it could be the lone wolf who now feels compelled to commit an act of violence against the law enforcement official or against some other person. it could be an organized group. >> reporter: a congressional security official told cnn shortly after the news of the mar-a-lago raid broke, the u.s. capitol police began discussions about monitoring and planning for possible violent rhetoric. that official saying they have particular concern about violence being directed against members of congress and federal law enforcement. the capitol police would not comment on security plans. brian todd, cnn, washington. coming up i'll speak with the director of the center for the study of hate and extremism on how the mar-a-lago search could fuel violence. that's ahead in the next hour of cnn newsroom. u.s. house has given

democrats and president biden something they so desperately wanted, passage of the inflation reduction act, a $750 billion climate, energy and healthcare package and to also cut inflation. cnn's jessica dean has details what's inside the sweeping new bill. >> reporter: democrats and president biden scoring a big win as we saw their massive package passing out of the house headed to president biden's desk for significant tore. signature. it was very clear from the beginning this had full democratic support in the house and passed along party lines like in the senate. they are using a budget process that requires them only to have democratic support so they can pass this out of congress with just their democratic majorities and that's exactly what happened. a reminder what's in this, three different planks, the

climate plank, the largest investment in climate we've ever seen come out of congress, some $369 billion in climate initiatives. there's also healthcare provisions in there. they're extending the affordable care act subsidies by three years. they're capping out of pocket medicare expenses at $2,000. it's allowing medicare for the very first time to negotiate the price of certain drug prices. additionally, there are tax provisions in there, namely among them, a corporate minimum tax of 15% that's going to be for the country's largest businesses. they will pay that 15% minimum tax, but again, lawmakers now headed out on august recess. they're going back to their districts, back to their states. those running for reelection it was very important for democrats to be able to talk about this when they went home and say it passed and discuss what had been put in there. for their part, republicans continue to criticize this legislation saying it will only add to inflation, not bring it down, that it will actually

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the u.s. centers for disease control saying this week that they're easing up on many covid- 19 restrictions. it's really a sign omicron is much more mild than previous variants, so not as many precautions are necessary. also most of the country, the vast majority of the country, has some immunity to covid-19 through previous infection or through vaccine or for some people both. let's take a look at what the cdc is doing. the cdc is saying no more six feet social distancing recommendations, all those little stickers can be scraped off the floor. also they say no more screening in most circumstances. the screening, for example, that schoolchildren have been doing. also no more quarantining after you've been exposed to someone with covid-19. they have been telling people to quarantine. they've eased up on that a bit, but this says no more quarantining, but there are some measures that the cdc is keeping. they're still recommending indoor mask usage for most of the united states. also they're telling people if

you're actually infected with covid-19, you do still need to isolate. the cdc's new guidelines are much more tailored to specific groups. for example, they tell people who are immune compromised that they should talk to their doctor about a drug called evusheld. they say if you're at high risk for getting very sick from covid-19, you should be wearing a mask in a much larger part of the country than is recommended for the general population, so different directions for people people. >> the doctor is the president and ceo of premier usa and a consultant in the u.s. for covid-19 testing and joins us from kailua, hawaii. thank you so much for joining us, doctor. you heard the cdc saying covid is here to stay, in a different place, time for different rules. they won't focus on slowing transmission but focus on preventing severe illness. do you agree with the new

approach and new guidelines? >> no. this is in my mind almost strike three for the cdc because they keep -- you know, at a time when we are asking them from a public health perspective to do the right thing, they go back and they do something that's almost a political move again and this is not a public health decision. one of the things we were looking for is an honest answer to the people that hey, we screwed up. five days doesn't work. five days if you were positive and go back around others, 50% will still be positive. we were hoping they were going to push it out seven days, but found out that wasn't the case. kim, this is now as infectious as measles. we're right at the verge of this being the most infectious disease as we go into ba.5 being so contagious and we're doing away with the six feet

guideline for social distancing. we're taking it away from schools which is going to turn schools into super spreader events. so there are some things we could have done a lot better. >> okay, but let me push back here. the good news is the death rates have fallen consistently over the last 2 1/2 years. they're getting closer and closer to the numbers that we see with the annual flu, though it should be said the covid death rate is still twice that as the flu normally is, but it has been going down, partially because of vaccination and treatment, but also because it seems as though this current virus isn't causing infections deep in the lungs like the previous strains which again bolstered the argument we should be treating this more like the flu. you don't agree? >> no. i don't think we're at that stage yet because right now if you look at the ba.5, i think what we're seeing up to 500 deaths a day still occurring in the united states. that's still fairly significant. are we at the days of delta? no.

have we come a long way? absolutely, but, kim, we're still in a pandemic and we still know that we will have another surge likely occurring through this fall. so you are correct that death rates are going down, but with ba.5 we saw the over 70s start ticking back up and that combines with the fact that we have just what, 60% of those individuals have the boosters that are necessary. we thought we'd be standing on a rooftop pushing for the next vaccine coming out in october and talking about getting your boosters because the united states is what, 60th in the world when it comes to the overall vaccinations and boosters? but again, i will say you are correct. death rate is going down, but we're still in a pandemic. >> yeah. the problem is, though, people have kind of moved on. so i guess is it not fair to say that it's very hard to enforce rules that people to a

large extent may not believe in anymore? >> i totally agree and that's what has been happening every time they come out with a guideline that kind of has more of a political overtone versus a public health overtone, which is it's hard to go backward, right? and that's what our concern about this is right now. essentially this guideline is we're done. cdc is kind of saying it's off to the local departments of health. it's really now they're saying it's up to the individual people. is there anything wrong with that? no, but what we wanted is more science guidance to really give the people a true understanding and also a caveat because what about germany? they made it crystal clear that this fall they're saying there's a good chance you could go back to mandates. i think it's really, really going to be hard in our country to have any type of local

health department or state health department create any type of mandate. so that's the concern is there was no caveat to say we're still watching. >> yeah. then i guess the other worries are we're seeing upticks in other countries, japan, for instance. we're seeing other variants emerging like one in india. is that right? >> absolutely. i mean you probably saw that india has reinstated in new delhi a broad mask mandate because they're seeing a significant uptick from a variant that is one that we have our eye on right now and we know southern hemisphere winters have been where we're seeing the variants that then come up and turn into our winter covid variant that caused a lot more infection. so again, more concern about science, more concern about the facts and evidence and caution. you know, a perfect example is

when is it good wearing a mask? they keep caveating wear a good mask. i'm out there in the streets, in the offices, even seeing patients and i think everybody would agree with me, one, you don't see any masks. number two, when you do, it's usually not a well fitting mask. so that's one of the caveats they put in all these guidelines. there's no definition even of what that is. >> yeah. listen, as you say, the burden is shifting more to the individuals. hopefully people are watching this, listening to your words and taking their advice from what you're saying. thanks so much for being here with us, really appreciate it. >> thank you, kim. tragedy strikes hollywood, we'll have an update on award winning actress ann heche's condition when we come back. and looking to buy life insurance on a a fixed budget, remember the three ps. what are the thrhree ps? the three ps of life ininsurance

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the emmy award winning actress ann heche is still on life support, although according to the law in california, she's now considered legally dead. her family says she is brain dead, but doctors are still working to determine if she has a match for organ donations. her family called heche a bright light, a kind and most joyful soul, a loving mother

and loyal friend and hollywood co-stars remembering her as a lovely woman. the actress was badly burned a week ago when she slammed her car into a house in los angeles setting off a fire. the accident is still under investigation. the all-star shortstop of the san diego padres is out for the rest of the baseball season after he tested positive for a banned substance. fernando tatis jr. was suspended 80 games after testing positive for the performance enhancing steroid a clostebol. el nino as he's called apologized to his team. in a statement he said he took the drug inadvertently to treat ring worm but failed to check if it was legal. he was out all season from a wrist injury and was on the verge of returning when the suspension was announced. that wraps this hour of cnn newsroom. i'm kim brunhuber. we'll be back in a short minute with more news. please do stay with us.

. hello and welcome to all of you watching us here in the united states, canada, and all around the world. i'm kim brunhuber. ahead on "cnn newsroom," possible violations of tess pa naj act and violations of obstruction, just one of the reasons why the fbi searched trump's home in florida. and where blame is being laid elsewhere. plus -- >> the motion is adopted. >> -- a historic win for the