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the former fbi deputy director and cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig, a former federal prosecutor. good to have both of you want. good evening, thanks so much. >> andrew, when you think about rudy giuliani being told our prosecutors that he is a target of this 2020 presidential investigation. the largest reminder that there are multiple criminal probes going on at once in trump world? >> it is interesting coming now, don, because we've been so distracted over the last week with the fbi search and the results of what was found at mar-a-lago we start to forget that there are these other significant possibly more significant investigations that continue to rumble on. in today's news for giuliani is just the latest in the series. have really ominous signs for him. this is an indication that he is clearly being considered for an indictment. i think we'll have a huge impact on how he testifies or which questions, if any, he actually answers in front of that grand jury. >> as you would surmise. he is responding.
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but watch and i'll get you there. >> when you start turning around lawyers with the defendants that are defending the clients. we start to live in a fascist state. >> that is not much of a defense? ? >> he served as trump's attorney during the election. do you expect that he's going to vote the fifth amendment? or a sequel to argue attorney-client privilege as so many have done? >> i think is going to invoke any privilege he can pick up. realistically, has been told he's a target, he should. it'll be foolhardy to go in there and answer questions. i think he will try attorney-client privilege, which is, i think dubious. because it does not apply to conversations that are in furtherance of a crime. i think he will take the fifth he has to. look, it is his right to do so, and is he said there are investigations swirling around. there came this moment late last week where we are so deep in mar-a-lago discussion, which remains important, but at one point on thursday night he said there's january six also. let's not forget how long ago
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doesn't seem like we were doing the january 6th hearings. it seems like a lifetime ago, that stuff is not gone away. that will come back in georgia, that will come back with doj, that will come back with congress. >> this is not. let's talk about the justice department and the probable cause, right. you are saying about this affidavit secret. they say, they're trying to keep the affidavits secret i should say. this was the response. it is a disclosure of this juncture of the affidavit supporting probable cause would, by contrast, causing if you get an irreparable damage to this ongoing criminal investigation. so, bottom line, they are not done. what's stands out in this response to you that they keep saying we don't want this in public? >> this, as he was considering, merck robin was city us opposite theo j. considering whether or not to push for the unsealing of the warrant and of course the property receipt. this is exactly the slippery slope he did not want to end up on. now here he is, on it, trying to argue it as strong as he can
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to stop the math this have unsealing documents associated with the search warrant. at the end of the day, he's absolutely right. the details in that warrant could have a deleterious effect on the sources that could be identified for having cooperated with investigators. it could expose facts that would undermine the integrity of the investigation going forward. that is what they're most concerned about. >> he is exactly right. this is merrick garland trying to hold the line. the darkness that he tried to until last week, those were a total of six weeks, those are documents you total over to the defendant anyway. they're out there in the world. this affidavit is a whole different ball game. it is against everything we were taught as prosecutor an investigator that you would never want out there. first and foremost, to protect investigation. >> i think the thing they were saying, at least in trump world, to unseal was what was already in the former president and his attorneys possession. right? >> yes. this is different. donald trump does not have this
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document, the only prosecutors in the judges have them. >> when it comes to responding to the mar-a-lago search. trump's allies, they're flooding the zone with all kinds of excuses and complete nonsense. accused me of planting evidence. we have heard allies say again that a standing order to declassify documents that he took to the residents. or any of these theatrical interpenetrated are investigation or are they all about the doj meeting. that is sticking to the facts here? >> he's flooded his own with a variety of defenses because the number them are working. that's what it comes down to. i think at the end of the day, elaine our talk about this before the show, i don't think the declassification argument is going to work. first, because of the charges that they're obviously considering and the execution of the search warrant. none of them require classified documents to support them. that sort of takes it off the table right there. and there is, at this point, not a single piece of evidence that indicates he actually took these steps to declassify the document that he now claims he did. if he had such evidence, there
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is no reason he would have already provided to the department to cut this thing off at the pass. he clearly didn't do that. >> the defenses make no sense, but i agree, if there's gonna be a charge prosecutors bear the burden of proving, beyond a reasonable doubt. you have to prove knowledge, essentially that trump knew those boxes where there and had some sense of what was in the. and intent. intend to do whatever the specific law prohibits. whether it's compromise national security, or keep documents out of the hands of investigators and the obstruction charge, so that is an affirmative obligation that falls on prosecutors. you have to do more than just his defenses make no sense. you have to make your case. we have a professor who knows all about these things. that worked in the bush administration. on declassifying documents. exactly how you do it. we are going to get a one with him. on what this actually means in a bit. if there are other lies being told. including by the fourth president. thank you, gently appreciated. i want to bring in our representative mike quigley in
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illinois democrat who is a member of the house intelligence committee. thanks representatives for joining us we appreciate it. so first the doj want to keep affidavit secret. they are saying that their investigation is ongoing. and they say the investigation implements highly classified materials. does that contradict trump's claim that he had a standing order to declassify anything that he took home with him? >> no. look. first of all. one of the reasons i'm most concerned about this information getting out. we've got people shooting at fbi buildings. if witnesses have some sense that would be in this kind of peril, either existing witnesses, or future with this is. this investigation is in big trouble. i think the president is throwing out everything he possibly can. you and i have talked. i've been part of, as the intelligence committee, two investigations that led to the impeachment of a president. i don't want anything that can impair with it this time.
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presidents have never been held accountable for his actions. this has to be that time. >> they've been many presidents before have all complied. of all follow the rules. of all follow protocol. why is this president different? why is he blaming everyone else for his mistake. why is he saying that people are after him? because of -- because he made a mistake. he took the documents. he did something wrong. the documents are wrong. the department of justice want them back, the national archives want them back, they should be in a sealed environment. so what gives her? >> it is standard operating procedures for this president. look, he's never been held accountable. this is the presidential records act. i would say to those giving the president the benefit of the doubt. those who would always defend him. you are always putting members of the intelligence community
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at risk. sources and methods. and lows that help them keep us safe. who in their right mind, knowing that the president could do this, would want to help the united states with vital and very sensitive information if they thought that some president would willy-nilly keep it at mar-a-lago? maybe the greatest sieve of potential intelligence in on screen foreign visitors there on a routine basis. and all this guarded by, what's, a padlock in the whims of a former president? that is extraordinarily scary right now. >> then there is this bipartisan request. the top democrat and top republican on the senate intelligence committee, senator warner and marco rubio,, requesting more information on what documents were taken from mar-a-lago. so others want a damage assessment. you sit on the house intelligence committee. should members of congress be briefed on any of this? >> there is a reason that not
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every member of congress is on the intelligence committee. first, they're pretty small, but second it is a higher standard. they are protecting information. what is the magic language that could be exceptionally grave them itch to their national security. the other members who want certain classified information have to come to this committee and have a vote. they don't always approve it. so, look, it is obvious that you shouldn't trust every member to give the political nature of this. to not reveal highly sensitive information. i think we're going to get briefed. i think will be in the details. i think you might be as to the threat risk of what was involved in that material and what risked their was to united states as a result. we will see. i think it should be bipartisan. i do believe it should be bicameral. but i'm very wary of certain members who would abuse it and
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exploited and reveal it and put peoples lives at risk. >> you keep talk about putting peoples lives at risk because you've drawn a parallel between the president and investigating violence against congress on january six, to what we are seeing now with the attacks on the fbi. can you speak more on that? >> you know i was in the room where it happened. and i suppose i could take it personally knowing that i watched on that morning the president six thousands of people on our democracy, on our capitol police, and on members of congress. and when i heard was them saying lynch pence. maybe they came with it beat of number two, three, four, and succession and aerial violent coup. the president incited a violent insurrection. he is doing this sort of thing again. he is the most dangerous man in the united states. this is a very dangerous kind.
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only this president could somehow be an ex president and create this kind of risk and this kind of constitutional turmoil. >> thank you representative quickly, i appreciate your time, be well. >> thank you. >> with the doj saying tonight about the mar-a-lago search might be giving us clues. the excuses from trump rodgers keep rolling in. >> there is always an evolving explanation. the evolving explanation is always a lie. it points to the fact that donald trump do what he was doing.
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>> the justice department tonight opposing the release of the affidavit that led to the
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mar-a-lago search, arguing that making it public would cause irreparable harm to the criminal investigation, saying in their statement and i quote, disclosure of the government affidavit at this stage would also likely quell future cooperation from witnesses whose assistance might be saw as this investigation progresses, as well as another high investigations. joining me now to discuss, cnn legal analyst and former federal prosecutor elliott williams. and professor william -- director of the center for study for force and diplomacy at temple university and a former assistant deputy director of national intelligence under george w. bush. so glad to have both of you on, good evening. ali, you first. we know from the search warrant that authorities are looking into possible criminal handling of documents, obstruction of justice, violations of the espionage act. does today's doj statement give us more clues elliott? >> no. i do not think so. because the affidavit, you
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really would not ever want to make that public, for a big reason. there's public safety for potential witnesses, for fbi agents and officers for judges. anyone else along the line. they are identified in naming the affidavit and their safety gets jeopardized number one. number two, you run the risk of jeopardizing the evidence that you are gathering. as people become aware of what is being investigated, there becomes a risk that maybe somebody throws something away or flashes evidence in the toilet bowl as we have seen already. so for all of those reasons, it's probably a good idea to keep the affidavit under wraps for now. and they gave us a bit of a roadmap last week of what they were looking at, that doesn't really change right now. >> professor, let us talk about the espionage act, it doesn't necessarily imply spine, but how serious is it that is mentioned in the warrant? >> it's quite serious. it indicates that there's at
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least a suspicion that the president has, is in possession of highly classified, top secret documents that could endanger the security of the united states. so the fact that would be used in this case has opposed to just indicating that it's violating for example the presidential records act, in of itself is illegal. but doesn't surmise to the same level. that is of course quite serious. >> professor, i would like to turn out to these claims and excuses coming out of trump world. his legal team saying that he had a standing order to declassify anything brought to mar-a-lago. all of these other excuses that he is making, what is your response to these? >> the standing order one, on its face, quite frankly is
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ridiculous. these are not his documents. he is not entitled under any circumstances to take these documents to mar-a-lago. so, to have a standing order to declassify them essentially telling whomever is going to transport them that he is ordering them to break the law. and not to say that he could not have said that, it's doubtful, but in any event, he could not have offered, have issued that type of standing order, because he could not take the documents legally to mar-a-lago. >> can you please explain exactly how a presidents the classification of power is supposed to work? >> first of all, it's unusual. the president only declassified documents in exceptional circumstances. generally, that is done at the
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agency level. and it is done through the collaboration of all of those agencies who have what is known as equity in a document. in other words, they have an interest. in exceptional circumstances, the president does have the authority. but, the president is not -- something is, as i've said, this is not written down in code. but the president would of course consult those documents, those agencies, whether it be the military or the cia or in the case of nuclear weapons, the department of energy. , what are the security issues at stake here in the document. would not just wave a wand and say, i'm going to declassify it. once it is done, it is marked. and of course, those agencies are informed. it's a very formal process. a rigorous process.
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which is only natural or logical that it would be. so, to have this type of standing order let's say, saying i'm going to declassify this without informing the agencies that are directly affected by the declassification, again is on its face a ridiculous type of clay. >> ludicrous. so the bottom line is, he was not to transport or take these documents, he was not to be in possession of these documents at mar-a-lago, end of story, full stop. >> that is correct. and as a footnote, if they were there, there's our protocol for transporting the documents, for housing the documents once they are there, who could see them. there is a whole laundry list
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of security measures that are in place, actually to prevent exactly this kind of thing from possibly happening. >> elliott, on sunday, trump claimed the fbi took sanford material protected by executive privilege in the search. but have not seen the sitting president gets to weigh in on executive privilege? >> yes, look. to echo some of the points have been made here don, there is a process around all of this, number one, for asserting executive privilege over documents. that would bring in the sitting president. number two, four claiming attorney-client privilege. and presidents have powers, we should be clear that presidents can declassified documents, presidents do possess executive and attorney client privilege depending on the circumstances. there are certain things presidents do that none of us can, like issue pardons for nominate people. but we build processes around this to avoid this specific
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problem from happening. we tried in american history, having tyrants or kids that were unchecked in their power, it did not work well. we tried to create government to put checks and rain in presidents. this is almost like a perfect test case of what happens when the president abuses of power that he actually does have, but is applying in an incorrect in inaccurate way. >> professor thank you very much, elliott thank you as well, according to law. this is what i was talking about the top of the show, talking about our critical democracy theory, giving people a one-on-one on where this goes and what is important here, so thank you for helping out. let's talk about monkeypox. monkeypox cases are on the rise. should we have been better prepared? especially after going through covid. i will ask a white house official handling the monkeypox response next. demands a lotion t this pure.
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>> i think it shows that the virus really has been characterized by a lot of twists and turns. i think this is not a monkeypox outbreak like any that has been seen before. in the world and so i think that we are seeing is really a lot of work to catch up from the perspective of making sure that we are on top of testing, on top of vaccines and also on top of treatment. so i think that it has been a lot of pivots. so i think that we expect a monkeypox outbreak to do one thing and then when we learned that it was doing something else, we had to pivot. then we had some real limits and challenges in terms of what we had accessible for vaccines. that has really turned around, with a lot of work and lots of domains including getting more vaccines produced, but also extending the vaccine that we have, by making one go five doses. >> listen, in your words, where you are saying that you had not seen a monkeypox outbreak like this in the world ever. so the question is, why didn't
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we act sooner than. having to pivot, because the first cases were reported in the u.s., that was way back in may, ahead of the response last month doctor. >> i've been engaged in the response before the first case, when i was at the cdc working on this response. working in my division of prevention, i was able to engage early on. what i mean by the monkeypox outbreak is a lot different than what one expects is, that really the thought was that you start a monkeypox outbreak and new focus on vaccinating people, peoples contacts. when it became clear that was not feasible, because not everybody knew who their contacts were, we had to pivot. and really switch our strategy. to think about really extending how we use vaccines in a different way. so then as that unfolded and cases increase, we had to pivot again. really identify ways to increase vaccine access. when there were real limits on production and so i think that
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it has been a story about a very unprecedented outbreak. and challenges with a lot of changes and so i think we are at a point right now where the epidemiology is telling us the population that is being affected. so gary, bisexual men who have sex with other men. being that we have to use vaccines that addresses notley contacts and broadway, but i think that from the perspective of testing, we've seen a really significant increase in access to testing. so i think that we really moved urgently. and i think the sort of new level of coordination that we are bringing here, myself and bob fenton, is really designed to accelerate and make the response of fish. and >> listen, i have a lot to get here. and i happen to be a game in myself, there is a lot of frustration with the administration and the role. people are upset, it's hard for people to get appointments to get the vaccine. you have to go on. it's not available, you make an
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appointment and then it's not there. i was lucky enough to get my vaccine today after my doctor really was pursuing in helping me to pursue it. not everybody is as lucky. they've been a lot of problems with the rollout inaccessibility. why, how are you planning to make things smoother? >> first, thank you for getting vaccinated, that's amazing it's great and really shows that it's important. >> talking about is really important to folks, so that they know vaccination is an important part of a multi domain strategy to prevent monkeypox. and so i think, really again, a lot of effort has gone to increasing vaccine access. access is really the key issue that we've had in the rollout. so i think not having enough supply to match the demand. and i think that things have changed. with the new emergency use authorization for the vaccine that came out of the fda. it allows us to use one vial for five doses. which means access is going to
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become a lot easier and so i think that it's fair to be frustrated. because it was so hard to actually get appointments. and i think that we are actually in a different phase of this outbreak where vaccine accessibility is going to become a lot more -- >> doctor, i've got to ask you, manufactures had skepticism about the doses. not sure about that, why are you sure that this is the right way to administer this when the actual manufacturers say, i don't know if i'd be doing. >> the fda reviews the data thoroughly and i think that when you think about the manufacturers comments, they focused on safety. what's interesting is that there is an experience happening in germany many years ago, over 7000 people were given the vaccine in that study. it was very safe. and in terms of effectiveness, we know that the vaccine does create immune responses and people, even if they have weakened immune systems when given through the subcutaneous route. the newer study that we've
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looked at, that actually demonstrated that the entered thermal route, the route where you give the vaccine in between layers of skin is equivalent to subcutaneous. so given those levels of data, i think that we are confident that this intervention will allow us to extend the vaccines, get more doses, more vaccines in peoples arms. and that it's not going to actually sacrifice any effectiveness, nor safety. >> so the vaccine eligibility is essentially still limited to men who have sex with men as you said earlier. two or more partners in the last two weeks. does the cdc plan on expanding eligibility anytime soon? >> right now, given the really intense focus of monkeypox among gay bisexual men who have sex with other men. we reported recently at the cdc that about 99% of cases in the u.s. had been among gay bisexual men who have sex with other men. the public health strategy that is appropriate is certainly to focus vaccination on the community that is overrepresented. in the outbreak. and i think that we look very
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closely at epidemiology. and at this point, given with the epidemiology is telling us. it's right to really focus the vaccination effort on the folks who are experiencing the infections. >> i have to ask you about the state of florida. because i would not be doing my job affected the, i'm wondering if there is something that needs to be done about the stigma. i was not quite sure i wanted to even say that i've got the vaccine, because people will think that you are promiscuous scorer having multiple sex partners. that's not the case, i'm in a committed relationship. but i do think that people should, regardless of whatever kind of relationship there in or not in, that they should be able to get the vaccine. what are you doing to reduce the stigma. because men who have sex with men maybe overrepresented, but they are not the only people who can get monkeypox or actually spread monkeypox. >> i will say that really the effort in public health messaging has for this outbreak been focused on from the onset, with intentionality, making
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sure we did not generate stigma. and so i have not work in hiv public health for many years. and specifically, working with the lgbtq a+ community. having that intentionality, learning from the history of other infections that did not go the right way, like hiv. from the perspective of generating stigma. it became clear that the right strategy is really to provide clear messaging and guidance to people that made sense. and was really across the board the right sort of information based on the data and knowledge we had. and then, really focus on communicating through trusted messengers to people that the lgbtq ai community plus community listened to. to make sure we get the word out. and that is really the strategy, really the focus on how the virus is transmitted and the intention to not associate the virus with when identity. at the end of the, day monkeypox is a piece of dna wrapped in fact. it is a virus and it does not know the difference between
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someone's gender or their sexual orientation and so, it's our job in public health and government to make sure that is how we approach the work. while still making sure that the populations who are at risk and need to know about monkeypox are aware. >> doctor, thank you very much. i got through this whole thing without mispronouncing your name. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> three house republicans voted to impeach trump had lost their primaries and with wyoming's primary tomorrow, we'll is change the next?
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>> another big day tomorrow. primary day. this time, it's alaska and wyoming. voters are heading to the polls. i want to bring in senior political analyst mr. ron brownstein. ron, we haven't like a primary and election like every other week, it's crazy. >> we are. >> let's start in wyoming. liz cheney is facing trump backed candidate. lots of people predicting this will be the end for cheney in congress. what do you expect? >> look, overwhelming likelihood is that she will lose the primary. but it will hardly be the end of her political career as she has signaled. this is a state where donald trump won 70% of the vote in 2020. believe it was the highest total anywhere in the country. hageman is a former trump critic, who supported ted cruz
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in 2016. but has reinvented herself as a kind of acolyte of his election lies and she is likely to join the list of republican primary challengers backed by trump. for ousting republicans who voted for his impeachment. as you noted, only two of the ten are likely to be on the ballot in november. and it is another marker along with the success of these election deniers in states like arizona, wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, kansas. that his whole on the republican remains dominant. at this point. >> just because cheney is taking a stand against donald trump's election lies, it does not mean that she is a democrat, she is a republican through and through. who voted in line with trump on nearly everything. if he does not win a republican primary, what does that say about the gop? >> the gop is moving away from being an ideological party to being one that is much more i think recreated in the image of
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a strongman political party that we have seen overseas. in italy, or erdogan in turkey. basically a party that exists as an extension of the will of the strongman leader. and what we are watching, i think one of the most striking and revealing things about the entire episode with the search warrant at mar-a-lago, is that both the trump feels even more constrained by norms and law and custom that limits the exercise of power, if he is willing to take these documents with him. and we have seen, i think very clearly, over these past few days that a congressional republican majority, would be even less willing to constrain or hold into account then they were when he was in office the first time. that is the dynamic that now rules the party. and i think that is the dynamic that cheney has sent every indication. they continue fighting long whatever happens tomorrow.
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>> let's go to alaska. at least let's talk about alaska. the special general election to moore there where we might see, we will see the return of sarah palin. >> she's going to be facing off republican nick, lets pronounce this right, baggy? >> baggage. >> you know, it's going to be while till we know appalachia. because it's kind of a double helix of complication. they have a top four primary system. then they have ranked choice voting on top of that. so if nobody gets to 50%. what they do is they reallocate the votes, second choices, people put on their second choices. >> there's another candidate, i wanna mention. there's also the former democratic state representative paul told. and so this is her first political run since 2009. she is being backed by trump and so my question is, do you see him making a comeback.
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i know this is an issue here. >> the rank choice makes it really hard to predict. as there are only a few jurisdictions in the u.s. to have used it and obviously was a factor in the mayoral race in new york as new york city is one of the places that are doing it. and i would not be surprised either way. plus, this special election, while they're having this election, they're also having the primary for the general election. for the full two-year term. this is through the end of this congress. and so it is not inconceivable that the results could be different for the special than the general. and you would think that in a trumpian party, sarah palin whose trump before trump in terms of her leveraging a cultural resentment of the most white voters or the most uneasy about the way the country is changing. you think should be in a very good position. but the alaskan republican party is an unusual beast. you have a governor that is not
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fully trumpeted. we have murkowski on the ballot. trump is supporting a primary challenger against her. but again, we will have to wait a while to see how it plays out. it's likely that she and the trump challenger make it to november. when you've got a top four single party primary system and then rank choice voting on top of the, there are a lot of permutations that can unfold in these elections playing out. 2009. do you remember that? i can see russia from my house. and lipstick on a paid. and those little feuds aside. oh boy, here we go again. >> i was the first one who said i'm glad to be back in the real america. the first one to identify kind of white, christian, non urban america. as both the bail america and everything else as something as impostor a provision of what america was meant to be. which is the animated it has become. i think the fuel in the trump movement more than any other
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signal event. >> it just took me back to a whole different time. it's all i'm saying. >> thank you ron, i appreciate. cheese or public who spouse ran against liz cheney in 2020. but now students upson and her husband are supporting cheney and she says there is still hope the congresswoman will come out on top. is... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth h plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward. and helping you plan for future generations. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity. this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by einophils. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. fasenra isot a rescue medication
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all eyes will be on the wyoming primary tomorrow where liz cheney is facing off against trump backed attendant hageman. who has support the former president election lies. want to bring in someone who was very active in wyoming republican politics and who despite her own husband running against cheney in the past now
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supports are. joining me now writer and political analysts, susan. susan thank you for joining really appreciate. it >> thank you don. >> so i'll make republican party voted to no longer recognize cheney as a republican. your own husband right against her in the past. why do so supportive? >> well you know, it is interesting the past we've walked with liz cheney has been a bit curious, in 2016 my husband tim ran against her for congress. at that point, obviously, she was our adversary. saying things change quickly in politics and, frankly, her meteoric rise as a freshman congresswoman was important to us. in the short time that she has been there she has really gotten a lot of things done for us here and wyoming. we have one congresswoman. so the fact that her rise was so quick and her voice was so
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powerful, so immediate. that is important as a voter. so yes, it was not too difficult for us or for myself to become a supporter. >> you say that voters and wyoming see cheney as a trader for voting to impeach trump. but i just want you to listen to some of what she has had to say about him and his election lies. >> there's a real tragedy. the tragedy is that there are politicians in this country beginning with donald trump, who have lied to the american people. we are down embracing a cult of personality. i won't be part of that. i will always stand for my oath and stand for the truth. >> republicans cannot both be loyal to donald trump and loyal to the constitution. >> i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone.
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but your dishonor will remain. >> it is principle. you cannot deny that. but is it also the case that calling out trump supporters so often and publicly has put in this position? how do you think she feels about that. >> i think she feels exactly what she said she did. you know as has been noted and widely reported, wyoming overwhelmingly twice voted in favor of donald trump. so it is enough for this republican party or many in the party just this suggestion or any kind of movement against trump is enough. notwithstanding the realities of january 6th impeachment votes. it is enough to speak against trump. which really has been the death now for list cheney here. >> thank you so much. i appreciate you joining us.
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>> good evening, multiple new developments in overlapping threats tonight in the investigation, core, cases courtrooms and subpoenas connected with and surrounding the former president. significant news on the attempt to overturn the election, the surge of mar-a-lago and the climate of violence that he and his supporters of fomented in the wake of it. on the search tonight, the justice department late today filed objections to unsealing the affidavit that was used to obtain a warrant which a number of news outlets, including cnn were seeking. in language,

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