people. they depend on it to grow food, to drink, to shower, and it is now running dry. thanks for joining us. don't forget you can watch outfront anytime on cnn go. ac 360 with anderson begins now. good evening. in less than an hour from now, polls will close in wyoming, where liz cheney, the republican vice chair of the house january 6th committee and vocal critic of the former president will be that much closer to knowing her political future. she is expected to have one win or lose tonight, and today we got some hints about what she thinks that future might be. we begin, though, with more headaches for the congressman congresswoman cheney says should never be allowed to hold power again. late today a federal judge in colorado ruled that one of his 2020 election lawyers, jenna ellis must appear before the georgia criminal grand jury looking into the attempt to overturn results there. there's new developments as well on the mar-a-lago search with cnn learning that the fbi has already spoken with former white

house counsel pat cipollone and his former deputy, patrick philbin. coming up on thursday, the federal magistrate judge who approved that search will hear arguments for and against unsealing the search warrant affidavit. cnn's jessica schneider joins us now. so what do you know about the fbi's interviews with pat cipollone and patrick philbin? >> reporter: yeah. anderson, we know that the most senior former trump officials to be interviewed in what we know is really this ongoing criminal investigation into the possible mishandling of the classified documents and this revelation that they have, in fact, talked to the fbi, it's significant because, you know, they were trump's designated representatives to the national archives when trump left office. so they would have these details. they'd be able to give the fbi about what was taken to mar-a-lago. also, you know, whether trump insisted that documents remain with him, what his intent or mind-set was, and that could really be crucial for prosecutors if they ended up maybe charging trump. and cipollone and philbin, maybe they could even shed some light on why 11 sets of classified

documents remained at mar-a-lago until last monday when the fbi agents searched his home. so with both of them, cipollone and philbin, being interviewed, we know at this point doj is really going straight to the top to find out these details and really the question remains here, are indictments looming? anderson? >> do we know when these conversations took place? >> we know that they happened at some point in the past year. we don't have a lot of details. but, you know, it's significant given that they're willing to talk to the fbi. you know, we heard from cipollone with the january 6th committee. >> right. >> he didn't divulge a lot of details about the conversations he had with trump, but maybe he was a bit more forthcoming with the fbi about maybe what trump's mind-set was taking these documents. >> we mentioned this hearing on thursday about a probable cause affidavit in the mar-a-lago search. we should mention cnn and other news organizations have sought the release of that document. but what are the former president and the justice department saying about it tonight? >> reporter: we're still waiting for the trump team legal response. that's actually due tomorrow morning.

the doj, though, they filed yesterday -- they're adamantly against releasing anything from the affidavit. they spelled out in the court filing that they say it would be really damaging for the ongoing investigation. in particular, they say it would reveal specific investigative techniques. it would reveal highly sensitive information about witnesses. so you can expect at that hearing on thursday that doj will be forcefully arguing against the unsealing of the affidavit. the florida federal judge has scheduled this hearing for 1:00 p.m. so both sides will be arguing, trump's response on paper anyway expected tomorrow morning. >> what about this trump attorney jenna ellis being ordered to appear before the fulton grand jury in georgia. >> reporter: it actually played out in colorado. it was a sort of strange situation here where a local prosecutor initiated a proceeding on behalf of fulton county d.a. phenofawny willis. georgia prosecutors argued that ellis really needs to appear before the grand jury, which the

judge agreed to, because of how involved she allegedly was in these plots to overturn the election. they talked about how she helped planned hearings in georgia that pushed these claims of mass fraud. she authored memos to mike pence saying he didn't have to certify the election. she might have some information about what people like rudy giuliani were doing. she was at giuliani's side in just about every fight after the election as we saw her, and of course we now know that giuliani is a target of that grand jury investigation. in fact, he's set to appear before the grand jury tomorrow. unknown how much he'll say, if anything, but that's set for tomorrow. >> jessica schneider, appreciate it. i want to go to juliette kayyem, also former watergate assistant special prosecutor nick akerman. nick, pat cipollone and pat philbin interviewed. would that just be standard procedure, an investigation like that, given they were the ones

representing the white house to the national archives? >> oh, absolutely. i think they would play prominently in the affidavit in support of the search warrant. they know what the procedures were. they know what trump was told. they know what other government employees in the white house were told. they set up the procedures. that is absolutely critical in terms of setting up the probable cause that was needed in that affidavit. >> but, nick, how free as attorneys would they be to talk to the fbi? >> well, i guess the question is whether or not they felt constrained not to reveal their conversations with donald trump because of executive privilege. on the other hand, i don't really think executive privilege applies here. what the government would really be interested in is not so much what trump said but what the lawyers said to donald trump. that is, what instructions was

he given with respect to the documents? what was he told as to where the documents had to go and what the procedures were and what the law is? so in a sense, that part of it is as important as any in terms of determining the intent of donald trump or anybody else who was dealing with those documents. >> juliette, if the fbi had already interviewed, you know, these two white house lawyers about the documents earlier this year, does that support the idea that maybe the doj and the fbi just wanted to get these documents back, and that's what the search at mar-a-lago was all about? it's not about anything else? >> well, it might be a hint to it. we don't know what documents they talked to the lawyers about. was it an extensive amount of documents? was it all the documents? it seems to me there's a couple questions the lawyers can answer. the first is, of course, you know, what did they say to donald trump? but also, you know, dot they knw what donald trump did? that might not be privileged

information. if they say to donald trump don't take it and they later learn through a third party that he actually did take this stuff, that is relevant to this investigation. the second is something that not a lot of people are talking about, but it's the transport of these boxes, the classified documents and the manuscripts and photos and whatever else is there have to travel in a secure manner, scifs, these facilities that secure classified information, travel with the documents or the people. how did they get from point a to point b? and that is something that is very relevant because it probably means there's a bunch of people that helped donald trump move stuff that ought not to have been moved. it wouldn't be privileged under any executive privilege or any client privilege. >> juliette, to that point, if the movement of classified documents has to be done in a certain way, i assume whoever moves them doesn't just leave them on the lawn or ring the

doorbell like amazon. they would have to put them into some sort of location that they believe was secured. but in this case it seems like it was just, you know, wherever it was in mar-a-lago. >> wherever it was. we don't know. there would be documents that would go down to mar-a-lago that might have been secure, but when these documents travel -- so think of a president or a cia director. so literally tents travel with them that are put together. they go into the facility. there's background noise, white noise. you can't bring your phone in. and they're able to read them. that's how secure these particular documents, tssci are. so you don't just put them into a u-haul or whatever van is available and drive them down. they have to be protected in the transport. of particular interest, the lawyers are in d.c. they're not down in mar-a-lago. what is happening during that transport? and i do think that's one of the reasons when the doj, you know, is fighting this release of the

aft, the probable affidavit, one is because they said there's an ongoing investigation, which may include other people who were involved with that transport even if they weren't involved with the retention of the documents. >> nick, if the former president was told through some sort of official communication from the federal government that he had to return these documents and he didn't, what does that do to his possible legal exposure? >> oh, i think it increases his legal exposure. it means that he knew he had an obligation to return these documents. he knew that he wasn't supposed to maintain them. and that puts him right into the espionage act. i mean he knew that these were classified documents or at least documents that could be injurious to the united states' national security or of interest to foreign countries. that puts him right into the soup if that's what he was told. >> nick akerman, juliette kayyem, appreciate it. one of the more troubling aspects of all this reflected in

republican primaries and we can see an example of it tonight if congresswoman liz cheney is defeated. republican voters making loyalty to the former president and the election lie a litmus test in the voting booth, choosing election deniers, election underminers, and people with believes that go far beyond just that. take a look at mark finchem, the republican nominee for arizona's secretary of state. he's a self-proclaimed member of the oath keepers, the far-right extremist group. and now cnn's k-file has uncovered previously online postings including a pinterest account with what he calls a treason watch list featuring photos of jesse jackson, janet napolitano, and former secretary of state john kerry. now, in other postings, he compares democrats to nazis, and in one now taken down, calls for people to stockpile ammunition. again, he's running to be secretary of state in charge of elections. when asked to dmcomment, he declined. he's part of a larger political and social phenomenon. my next guest is tim alberta,

who writes about it in the atlantic. quote, this country is tracking toward a scale of political violence not seen since the civil war. it's evident to anyone who has spent significant time dwelling in the physical or spiritual spaces of the american right. go to a gun show, visit a right wing church, check out a trump rally. tim alberta joins us now. tim, do you really believe we're tracking toward a scale of political violence not seen since the civil war? in the early '70s, there were political bombings. there were a lot of bombings in the country, often just against property, and that was something the u.s. hadn't seen in a long time. you think what we're heading for is potentially far worse than that? >> anderson, thanks for having me. i would say a couple of things. first, in the 1970s, as far as i can recollect, there were not members of militia scaling the walls of the united states capitol building. you did not have the sort of

technological capacity to organize the way that we have now, and in fact, when you hear the warnings being issued by the justice department this week, listen, i've talked to people in the fbi. i've talked to people at justice. they're not issuing these warnings just, you know, for the warning's sake. they're not trying to make themselves feel better. they're not just doing this as an empty gesture. there is a serious and spreading threat to the stability of the country right now, and it is happening largely in venues that respectfully most of the mainstream media is completely oblivious to. they're not being covered, and i think we all want to tell ourselves that actually this is just a lot of, you know, keyboard cowboys who are talking tough in some of the dark corners of the internet. but, in fact, when we see this guy go try to shoot up an fbi office in cincinnati immediately after the mar-a-lago search warrant was executed, we see some of this other activity

proliferating online, and it's a reminder that january 6th was not an isolated incident. in fact we should have seen it coming and my fear is we're going to find ourselves in a spot not too long from now when we're looking back wondering why we didn't see more of it coming. >> you wrote it may become a new hinge point in u.s. history. you said if america is a power keg, then one overreach by the government, real or perceived, could light the fuse. do you think -- i mean at this point, is there anything else the department of justice could do to, you know, dispel the baseless notion that they did something wrong, which is being propagated by elected politicians, by elected leaders in congress? >> it's a good question, and of course you led the program tonight talking about liz cheney and the fact that she's very likely going to lose her primary tonight and probably lose it in lopsided fashion. why? because she was willing to tell the truth.

because she was willing to tell her constituents something that they didn't want to hear. and so obviously that doesn't set a great example for other republicans who look around and realize self-preservation being the name of the game, that they would like to hold on to their jobs, keep their influence and proximity to power. so of course they're not going to want to go down the path that liz cheney or peter meyer or other republicans have gone down. and when you sort of zoom out from that, you ask yourself what is the incentive to push back on any of this craziness? in the immediate hours after the fbi search warrant at mar-a-lago was executed, you had leading republicans in this country, prominent elected officials, going on twitter and saying that we live in an authoritarian state. this is a banana republic, that law enforcement at the federal level can't be trusted, that they're coming for you next. what do you expect is going to happen when polling suggests that you already have somewhere around, you know, maybe 30 million americans, 1 in 10 americans according to one poll earlier this year from the university of maryland, who

believe that political violence is justified right now, that it's already justified? what happens if the president is criminally charged? what happens if this goes even further? i just don't think we've necessarily spent enough time considering the implications of this. >> do you think it makes a difference whether the former president decides to run again in 2024, or are the lies so baked in that this kind of danger will persist for years regardless? >> i would think so, anderson. i think it would persist regardless, and i do suspect he will run. i do think anybody who is wired into trump world, everybody has the sense that he will, in fact, run again. and really the thing is part of the concern i had during covid was when you referenced the part of my article earlier mentioning the perceived or real government overreach was when you look at what the sort of baseline hypothetical is for any of these conversations when you meet people around the country who

are stocking up on arms and ammunition and talking about imminent civil war, they always will talk about some dramatic government overreach, something that the feds do that sort of lights this fuse so to speak. and my concern is whether trump is in office or whether trump is not in office, that we are sort of barreling toward a scenario here, and the mar-a-lago event could be, in that sense, seen as this hinge point where people have been waiting for something like this, looking for a reason to take matters into their own hands so to speak. and i'm really fearful that we might be closer to that than anyone realizes. >> i appreciate you being on tonight. thank you so much. >> sure. next, primary night coverage with a focus on wyoming, where the state's only congresswoman with one of the state's most storied republican names is in the fight for her political life because she chose to follow the facts as vice chair of the january 6th committee over following the former president. liz cheney's chances with polls closing about 45 minutes from now. also later, cnn's donie

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wasn't. and on january 6th, donald trump turned their love of country into a weapon against our capitol and our constitution. in our country, we don't swear an oath to an individual or a political party. we take our oath to defend the united states constitution. but we are now embracing a cult of personality, and i won't be part of that, and i will always stand for my oath and stand for the truth. because republicans cannot both be loyal to donald trump and loyal to the constitution. tonight, i say this to my republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible. there will come a day when donald trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain. >> i mentioned impeachment. these are the ten republican house members who voted for impeachment this time around. four are retiring, include adam kinzinger. three lost their primary races. only two have won theirs. the last of the ten is liz cheney.

for more, chief national correspondent john king at the magic wall. she's facing a lot of opposition from allies of the former president. what's the map looking like for her tonight? >> anderson, we fill it in. we start to get some votes at the top of the hour. if you look at this map, you say liz cheney, famous name. her dad was the congressman from wyoming. she's been a congresswoman since 2016. if you look at her success, you think why is liz cheney in trouble? 40% in her first primary. 68% in her second. 73% two years ago. republicans in wyoming like liz cheney, right? well, they did until she decided to choose the truth over trump. this is the map she's really running against, anderson. donald trump getting 70% of the vote two years in wyoming. liz cheney needs a lot of democrats and a lot of independents to switch parties and vote in the republican primary. her supporters say they have seen a lot of that in recent days, but look at all this red. she is preparing to lose tonight. we'll count the votes late, but she's preparing to loss.

>> what does sarah palin need to do to make a successful comeback? >> sarah palin essentially gets two bites at the apple. let's bring up the state of alaska. number one, the first choice is to fill the remaining four months of the late congressman's don young's term. it's going to take several days to count the votes because alaska for the first time is using that ranked choice voting. this is going to take a while to count. these are the three leading candidates. there are 20-plus candidates in this race, but these are the three tonight for the special election. one of these three will get to serve the final four months. it's going to take a few days to count. then you go at it back again. there's a second election for the house. that is to pick candidates for the november ballot to serve the full two-year term, the next term, if you will. that's the one where you have 22 candidates in the race. you have the leading three here based on the observations of people in alaska. but, again, four candidates will move to the general election. so can sarah palin win tonight? as they count the votes in the special election, that person could be her, would serve for four months and then go back at

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in a moment we're going to have a live report from a cheney campaign event in wyoming where congresswoman liz cheney is expected to deliver a big political speech about what this

evening means and her future in american politics should she lose her primary. this is what she said in wyoming a few hours ago. >> no matter what the outcome is, it's certainly the beginning of a battle that is going to continue, is going to go on. and as a country, we're facing very challenging and difficult times. we're facing a moment where our democracy really is under attack and under threat, and those of us across the board, republicans, democrats, and independents who believe deeply in freedom and who care about the constitution and the future of the country, i think have an obligation to put that above party, and i think that fight is clearly going to continue and clear gi going to go on. >> i want to bring in david chalian, dana bash, nia-malika henderson and chris wallace. david, what are you looking for in wyoming tonight? >> certainly the margin. i know liz cheney most of all

expects to lose tonight, and she would be the most surprised if she doesn't. but i am curious to see if there is some sort of swell of republicans moving over -- democrats moving over, changing their registration to republicans or independents to participate. but i'm also looking for her words tonight because she's obviously putting forth a path forward for herself. so i'm very curious to hear how clearly does she define what that role is. she said many times her professional mission in life right now is to prevent donald trump from ever returning to the oval office. what does that look like, and does she paint that picture tonight? >> this idea of democrats and interests switching over in wyoming to vote for her, we've seen some people do it, but it would require a huge number of people doing that, and it's a complicated procedure. >> and they don't exist enough in the state of wyoming. wyoming is so incredibly red, and so it's not like a michigan or another state where democrats

or people who really as democrats or independents can switch over and make an actual difference. but it will be telling in terms of where she could go, where her message could take her in the future, and i think that's the point that you are making, david. yes, there is kind of the big city there, and cities where there are some democrats. but you heard the tone that she just took. that is very similar to what i'm hearing from people in and around her and what we're going to hear from her in her speech tonight. it's the beginning. it's the beginning. what is it the beginning of? we don't know, but it's the beginning. she's already looking past this race. >> i mean the beginning of what, though? >> yeah, i mean that's the big question. listen, people talk about well maybe she runs in 2024 against donald trump and carries her message directly to him. unlikely that she would really find much of an audience for that given his strength among the vast majority of

republicans. we see that obviously what's happening in wyoming. maybe she'll get 20%, 30%, 40%, but that wouldn't be enough likely to beat donald trump. how else can she use this platform? she's obviously used her platform in congress very well, heading the january 6th committee or sort of being the face of it, certainly the republican face of it. so what does she do next? everyone is trying to figure out what happens after trump, and some people are trying to figure out how to push him aside. but we've never had somebody like liz cheney, who has used her platform so well and been so famous at the same time and so determined to do it. >> chris, if she runs against trump, that could take votes away from people -- republicans who might vote for biden in order to not have trump. there's a whole -- >> i don't see her running as an independent exactly for that reason, because all she's going to do is take anti-trump vote away from biden. as a republican candidate, there's not a chance in -- i don't see a world in which she wins the nomination. but having said that, on the margins, could she hurt trump?

yeah, maybe not enough to lose the nomination, but she could do some serious damage to him in terms of making the case in terms of people who already have doubts about trump. people who are not rock hard in the maga world. it was described in one paper today that she could be a political kamikaze. it would be a suicide mission, but maybe she could take him out. on the other hand, i'm not sure that the aircraft carrier, donald trump, couldn't withstand the attack from the kamikaze pilot liz cheney, at least in terms of the nomination. >> even if shes loses, she's going to be there until january and the january 6th committee continues. >> absolutely and she'll play a role in that. i don't know that there's much -- she's been pretty strong in terms of how she's gone after trump on the committee. look, let me say that. it's an extraordinary story. this was a woman who, you know, from the cheney family in wyoming. she was anointed, elected in

2016, becomes the number three republican in the house caucus. people talking about her as the first republican woman to be the speaker, and then throws it all away to decide on a matter of conscience. >> yeah. >> it's pretty dramatic story. >> and she has, in many ways, been enemy number one of donald trump. he has a lot of enemies on his list. he very much wants to see her gone, but she has done tremendous damage to him as part of this january 6th committee. >> and she made herself that foil. it's not as -- you know, sometimes when trump has a foil, he creates a foil. she was the very open and eager foil because she wants to separate herself and separate the ideals and from her perspective, genuinely to save the republican party, never mind the republic. you mentioned women. one of you mentioned women. i think that is one of the most interesting questions going forward because talk to people who are looking at, at least before the mar-a-lago thing, i

don't know if it's changed, but before that, the internal numbers for donald trump. they say that he has plummeted when it comes to support among women, all women. and what have you heard from liz cheney so many times in these hearings? how much she is -- how grateful she is for the women, the young women, to come out and speak up and how she hears from women across the country. >> and even in wyoming, she's talking -- and she was not a very gender identity focused politician. >> no, not at all. >> a lot more about moms and women and what we can do. >> absolutely. >> so she's playing that card. >> just remember in the context of a 2024 race, if indeed she does launch one, she's not likely to have a one-on-one race with donald trump, that's? that's likely to be a very crowded field, which by the way is precisely what donald trump wants because his best path is a very crowded field. >> the other obviously high-profile race is in alaska with sarah palin. she was governor of the state. she quit early with a

convoluted -- i remember her spokesperson explaining her justification, and it made no sense. i want to play something she said when she resigned the governorship in 2009. >> life is too short to compromise time and resources, and though it may be tempting and more comfortable to just kind of keep your head down and plod along and appease those who are demanding, hey, just sit down and shut up, but that's the quitter's way out. i think a problem in our country today is apathy. it would be apathetic to just kind of hunker down and go with the flow. we're fishermen. we know that only dead fish go with the flow. >> that was quite a word salad. >> it's as stunning now as it was then. >> that's one of her favorite expr expressions. >> the dead fish. but quitting is an act off valor because the alternative is just hunker down in her job as governor and not do anything. >> she was attempting to

political jiu-jitsu there. i'm not sure that landed. >> is she still that same person? >> well, she obviously has had a whole host of experience with then, whether reality tv or still being sort of -- >> that's real life experience? >> it's called reality tv, anderson. >> here's the thing. she was -- she captured some of this trump energy pre-trump. she ignited and enlivened a piece of the republican base, and she's now in an attempt for a political comeback, actually, she has donald trump's backing, and she's trying to get back into swimming in those waters and being somebody who can captivate that energy and convert it into her political success. but you noted she quit the job. that's been one of the attack lines on her from her opponents in this race, and we'll see if the alaska voters care about that tonight. >> david chalian, dana bash, nia-malika henderson, chris wallace, thank you. still to come, cnn's donie

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election security. they reported lawyers and allies for the former president were more organized than previously reported, namely able to copy sensitive data from election systems in georgia as part of a secretive multi-state effort. cnn's donie o'sullivan has been in las vegas at a hackers convention examining the theories about voter machines. >> reporter: we've had two years of nonstop conspiracy theories about the 2020 election, many of which center around these, voting machines, that they were in some way hacked and used to steal votes and to steal the election. we are here at defcon in las vegas, which some people called hacker summer camp, and hackers are doing their very best this weekend to break into these voting machines.

isn't what you're doing here by tearing these machines apart and showing that they can be vulnerable -- is that not just going to play into more of the fears, more of the conspiracy theories about the election? >> i think a lot of these fears and these conspiracies really thrive in darkness. here, we have like a clear box model where we open things up. if you're able to look inside and you're actually able to get your hands on these voting machines yourselves. it's not that there are not vulnerabilities within these machines that need to be addressed. just because there are vulnerabilities doesn't mean they were manipulated or exploited in the way that certain parties are saying that they are. >> reporter: you've spent the weekend tearing apart voting machines. you've talked a lot about vulnerabilities. but have you ever found evidence that vulnerabilities have been used to change the results of an american election? >> never. and same comments with all the other experts. we have always said that

extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. we have never seen that kind of evidence. >> vulnerabilities exist in almost all software regardless of where you find it, even in, you know, nuclear power plants you'll find that. there are a system of defenses and protections to ensure that a bad guy can't get to them. and those exist in voting systems as well. >> reporter: chris krebs oversaw election security at dhs for the 2020 election before being fired by trump for speaking out against conspiracy theories. >> the biggest vulnerability in democracy is the people. it's the brain. it's the perception hack. >> reporter: cyber experts here say the big challenge to the 2022 midterms is not the machines. it's misinformation. >> i'm afraid even when i know the vulnerabilities of the systems, i'm more afraid about misinformation claiming that which actually didn't happen and which will then get a hold in people's minds. >> we want to focus on pushing security forward, and instead

we're responding to death threats. >> reporter: nate young and michael moore know all about conspiracy theories. they're part of the election security team for maricopa county in arizona, a ground zero of election lies. they're here to work with hackers to make elections more secure by exposing vulnerabilities and getting them fixed. >> we have not seen a single accusation or a conspiracy theory that has produced any actual tangible results. >> reporter: conspiracy theories like those being push by the likes of my pillow guy who claims countries like china have hacked and changed votes. >> if i'm right that china took our country right now, do you care? would that bother you? >> how does it feel as a voting systems expert listening to people like mike lindell? >> it makes me sad. it makes me sad from all of the

resources, all of the energy which could have been used for something beneficial is now misused. >> reporter: misused to perpetuate information that undermines american democracy. >> you repeat the lie long enough and many times it becomes kind of that reality, their reality. ultimately, in comes down to the voters. what do people want? do we want to be a democracy? and if the answer's yes, better start damn acting like it. >> donie o'sullivan joins us now. mike lindell was not there. that video was from last year. >> that was from his cyber symposium last summer. >> did any of the conspiracy theorists show up to this convention? >> one man. some of his research was used by

sidney powell back in 2020. the people at that convention, they are people who really want to poke holes in systems. so if even they are saying -- even those top experts are saying that the vulnerabilities that mike lindell and other people say exist, they're not there, and the main point they were trying to hit at this weekend was, yes, there can be vulnerabilities in votinging machines. no system is perfect. but there's a big system from there being a vulnerability and a gap to changing votes and overturning an election. >> donie o'sullivan, appreciate it. coming up, an update on first lady jill biden, who has tested positive for covid. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. ♪things are getting clearer♪ ♪i feel free to bare my skin♪ ♪yeah, that's all me♪

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who has the support of the former president. so what is the mood there like given the reality of the situation for her on the ground? >> reporter: anderson t mood is actually pretty festive. she's invited her supporters here out to a ranch outside jackson. there's country music playing. there's food and drinks and people are just waiting for the polls to close in a couple moments now. congresswoman liz cheney has been spending most of the day, i'm told, preparing the speech she'll be delivering tonight . this speech is certainly no ordinary election night speech. in fact, it is going to offer a road map for her future. and she's going to talk specifically about the battle ahead. she's trying to frame this as the start of something, not the end of something should she fall short here. but there is no doubt while the mood is festive, there's a sense as well that she's very likely to fall short in the primary at least here tonight, anderson. >> what are her supporters hoping she'll do next? >> reporter: look, a lot of the supporters we've been talking to

throughout the day, they really hope she will take this as a national message, a national campaign against donald trump. now, whether that sort of emerges as a presidential candidate herself, a lot of her supporters would like to see her do that. she's not made those commitments yet. i'm told she's not going to directly say that this evening. but they would like her in some fashion to if not run against trump, try to keep up her fight against trump and her fight for democracy. the question, though, is the margin of victory tonight, if it's a blowout, does that diminish her potential as a messenger? if it's close, does that show there's a market for this type of argument in the republican party? i think the margin will certainly determine the tone of her speech, but win or lose, she's going to look forward and not look backward, anderson. >> jeff, that is probably the greatest backdrop i've seen in a long time. why don't we all live in wyoming? >> i've been here several days and i can tell you, it's fantastic. >> gosh, wow, amazing.

jeff zeleny, thank you. you can listen to our podcast on any major platform. search for anderson cooper 360. i want to hand it over to allison camera at a, "cnn tonight." >> thank you very much. i'm allison camerata and this is "cnn tonight." 9:00 on the east coast, 7:00 in wyoming, where as of this moment the polls are closed and liz cheney awaits her fate. cheney of course has to become face of republican resistance to donald trump and his efforts to deny joe biden's presidential victory. donald trump also awaits his fate in a way as investigations into his actions heat up. we have new developments on the search of his mar-a-lago home and those boxes of classified documents. but let's start with tonight's primary. wyoming is the least populous state but tonight it's the most popular for election watchers. we'll have results coming in throughout this hour, so keep it right here, and we will keep you updated.