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but i do agree with chris, this was not the idea that he's going to monetize it or use it to embarrass macron, i think the only thing he might have imagined is that he wanted to show his buddies, look what i got. this is the kind of stuff i saw all the time. beyond that, i'm not sure he had a plan. >> if the new york times reporting is right, it's he said, why did he won it back, this is mine. he doesn't stand understands for the american people. he's never been able to separate himself from the office, or he thinks that the attorney general is actually his attorney and it's, not at the attorney for the american people. norm, listen, i want to look at these terms, right. this is what we learn today from mar-a-lago, this is willful retention of national defence information, concealment of removal of government records and obstruction of a federal investigation. does this tell you anything about where the investigation is focused right now? >> it does. it gives us some additional information, and of course, these are very basic additional
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documents that were released today. but even that gives us more information about where things are headed, and that's why i think, no matter how redacted the release of this affidavit is gonna be, take the first thing on their. the espionage act. the 18 usc seven 93, we will all were wondering, i rode along piece, what angle are they taking? well, they've just stated their theory of the case, one, that they might or might not argue to the jury. he retained government documents. well, don, if i go to the white house and help myself to property that's in the oval office, and i take it with me, i'm retaining government property. that's a crime. and these are boxes and boxes and boxes. so, we're already learning more. >> okay, he says he wants this information out there. do you think this is going to be helpful to him? >> i do not. i think it's going to tell the story of why the government, they had to put the details to
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convince a judge that there was probable cause of crime. >> is this why his attorneys aren't arguing in court to have the information released? >> what can they argue? let's go back to the so-called standing order. now, there might have been a supersecret, hitherto unknown to everyone in the white house standing order that he automatically declassified documents by taking them to the residents. it might also be a standing order that pigs should fly. neither of the matter. because that's not the way things work. as norm well knows. but the other preposterous thing here, just consider the notion that donald trump was taking classified documents up to the residents and burning the midnight oil in the map room, studying the nuances of the start treaty. does that make any sense to anyone? he didn't even read the pdb, the president's daily brief. as i said before. it's preposterous on so many levels, it's unbelievable. >> it appears he may have been
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studying the private life of mr. macron, we know he had documents related to him. >> about what you just spoke about, chris, this is what cnn exclusive reporting, 18 trump officials, including two former chief of staff, going on record about trump's claim about the standing order to declassify. john kelly saying, quote, nothing approaching an order that foolish was ever given. mick mulvaney saying, he was not aware of the general order like that. cut something out like that have gone around the chief of staff? >> the only guy who is not weighted is mark meadows. now meadows might say, this is just fine with him. i happen to know that mark meadows, i know what he was doing the morning of january 20th, and i don't think he was packing boxes for mar-a-lago. and you can read about it in my book on the biden white house. but, you know, mark meadows is
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just about the only person i could think of who might have said, this is just fine. >> the idea, though, that all these people were packing boxes at the last hour is just shocking. -- >> listen, i gotta tell you, that is slightly plausible to me, considering he thought he was going to hang on to power. and he may have thought that he wouldn't have to move that -- >> on january 20th? >> -- who knows. >> it reminds me of a scene from argo in the mob is at the gates of the u.s. embassy it is everybody's burning things as fast as they can, throwing them into boxes. this is keystone cop stuff but it's trump, so i believe it. >> bringing these boxes and documents to mar-a-lago would have required more than just trump and mark meadows in a u-haul. many people could be implicated in this, michael. >> well, of course. he's always surrounded himself with people who will do the bad thing that he wants them to do.
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they may even do it before he asks them to do it because they understand what those standing orders are, the standing orders are, protect him, protect this conspiracy conspiratorial culture. but that won't work when it comes to the legal argument that he seems to be testing, or getting ready to make. that he declassify these documents. >> so, all of this doesn't matter? >> it doesn't matter. because there are very elaborate procedures, i was in charge of them. when i was ethics czar. i worked on the executive order, restructuring the classification system that still in place, precisely because these documents are so sensitive, so dangerous if they get out to our national interest. there are elaborate procedures that are in place, and he is not free to ignore the laws, the regulations, even if he wants to declassify, he still has to follow the rules. and so, the notion that he threw a bunch of papers in a box, and he had a standing
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declassification order, whenever he took something to the white house residence, i think it's beyond frivolous. >> -- you lose your law license if you make that argument in court. >> okay so, even if people were frantically throwing stuff in boxes, slightly tongue-in-cheek saying i can see it, because he thought he's gonna hang on to power. but he actually did think, i mean, obviously, when he said on the ellipse on january 6th, he thought that he might hang on to power. >> some high-ranking officials have learned the hard way that you can't do this. john deutch, bill clinton's first cia director, resigned because heat fall at a favor with clinton. but it was discovered that he had 31 files of top secret documents on his computer, his personal computer at home. he escaped a prison sentence because clinton pardon him on his last day. sandy berger, the national
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security adviser, also he didn't wine behind bars, but he lost his law license. and everybody remembers david petraeus, who barely escaped a conviction. so, these are serious crimes. and it doesn't matter whether the documents or classified or not. and that's something to remember. >> you just reminding us of how old we all are, oh wait a minute, you are taking me back. can we talk about allen weisselberg, the former cfo of the trump organization? he pleaded guilty today, 15 year tax scheme where he benefited. the trump organization benefited as well. he can testify against the trump org if it goes to trial, should go to trial this fall. look at that reveal, michael? >> i'm afraid it might not reveal very much. because, from what i understand, they're dealing primarily with what weisselberg was engaged with, that was about one point
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$5 million estimated value of wrongdoing. nor might know, as an attorney, better than me what's possible. but i keep thinking about the general motors case, where this was a corporation that was responsible for 148 deaths over ten years with a problem with an ignition system. nobody went to jail for that. they were fined, but it was far less than a billion dollars. it was the cost of doing business for them. so i'm afraid in this case, weisselberg's delayed and delayed and now he's made his deal. and the fallout for the trump organization could be very minimal. >> how did we end up in a world where the trump's former cfo pleading guilty to tax fraud, and that doesn't even rise near the top of the scandals or the legal battles that he's facing right now? how did that happen? >> well, one thing we've forgotten is that it's been a bad week for trump, for all of the reasons we've been talking about. but it's about to get a lot
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worse. because there's a sheriff was about to come back into town, her name is liz cheney, the january 6th hearings are about to rev up once again, they've already laid out in pretty clear map of serious crimes that trump may have committed, and i think that's going to be a defining test of the biden presidency, you know, what merrick garland does or does not do when it comes to prosecuting trump and his cronies is going to be a real test along with ukraine, and with the pandemic. i think that's with the history books are gonna be talking about. >> may i suggest that sheriffs liz cheney is actually part of a posse? and she's got fani willis, the georgia da, who's going full steam ahead in her special grand jury in atlanta, looking at trump's election related crimes. she's way out in front of merrick garland, although doj is catching up.
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and this is the greatest impact probably, michael, of the weisselberg guilty pleas, the new york attorney general. tish james. we know trump took the fifth amendment, hundreds of times, when he appeared before her. she has the power, unlike the tax case, she has the power to seek the corporate death penalty because of the pattern of misdeeds, trump's fifth amendment assertion. and she can use these weisselberg guilty pleas as part of that pattern. so, i think it's multiple danger fronts. >> what is the corporate death penalty? >> the attorney general has, in new york, the attorney general has the power an investigation of the kind, the attorney general is now doing, to seek a broader array of remedies of penalties then just in this tax case.
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>> it could wipe out the whole value of the company, or lead to its liquidation, breaking up the assets, i'm not saying she's gonna do it. but i am saying it's like the remake of ghostbusters. liz cheney, fani willis, tish james, watch out donald trump. >> you live in a golden tower playing around on your own airplane, why on earth when anybody want to be president of the united states? >> can't they also establish some supervision, -- >> we'll talk about that later. [laughs] senate races at once looked like a lock for republicans, are now looking a lot closer. and mitch mcconnell is sounding less confident about the midterms, we're gonna break it all down, that's next.
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months away from the midterms, and a blunt prediction today from senate gop leader mitch mcconnell. he accepts races to be extremely close with us dry majority. basically, republicans may not take back the senate. >> there is probably a greater likelihood the house flips that in the senate. senate races are different. they are statewide. candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome. >> let's discuss now cnn paul tailors charlie, and democratic strategist -- , they're both here. good evening gentlemen. charlie! while mitch mcconnell. he usually sounds very confident but when it comes to the prospects of retaking the senate? not so much. what's up?
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>> well, mitch mcconnell has been burned before in 2010 and 2012. i can count at least four races, maybe five. senate republican should've won. but did not. remember sharon angle, and christine o'donnell. and richard murdoch? they lost races that should not have been lost. and here we are again. and it's an issue of candidate quality. here we are again and we have candidates, or republican candidates, who are underperforming in states like georgia, pennsylvania, arizona. ohio. and so, mcconnell has every right to be concerned. his candidates are not doing well in polling right now. and there have been some issues, and we can talk about herschel walkable if you like. and his problems. and there are some issues that are a challenge for him. maybe more than authenticity challenge. and, republicans need to
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basically protect five seats. and democrats need to protect five seats. maybe ten, maximum 12 senate seats that are competitive in the cycle. the third in the senate is up. and mcconnell, i would likely be worried. >> well charlie just mentioned, because mitch mcconnell intentionally talks about candidate quality. is he opening the door to blame republican nominees with zero political experience like doctor oz in pennsylvania? you just mentioned herschel walker in georgia? >> yeah, i think he is. i think he's looking to blame trump, let's face, it mcconnell hits trump. and it's a lack of experience. these are very eccentric people. doctor oz voted in turkey before he ever voted in pennsylvania. he's been living in new jersey for 20 years. and that he was famously on tv talking about crudités, add a grocery store that doesn't exist. it's talent. but there is also a larger national mood that is going on.
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i think too many oppressive submits. gas prices are getting better, abortion rights are not. so the things that are motivating democrats, are still motivating them. and everybody thought, oh, the search warrant executed at mar-a-lago. how many times did you hear knuckleheads on cable news say that? no evidence. i've had campaigns all across the country. none of them are saying, gee, this mar-a-lago things is killing us. there's a gas prices are getting better, abortion rights are not. 81 days is anyone lifetimes. but for right now, the democrats are on the front for. once >> interesting. charlie do you agree with that? >> certainly the environment is better today for democrats than it was a few months ago. i would agree with paul that the roe versus wade decision certainly is a challenge for republicans in the swing states in martial districts. this is not an issue that they want. to the extent that republicans
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are talking about the search at donald trump's home, mar-a-lago. they're not talking about joe biden and the democrats. and inflation, and the economy. they want, republicans want to make the issue about party power. that would be the democrats to an extent. they're talking about abortion rights. and they're also talking about donald trump, and the search. and election denial. this is a major party problem. they can't say on a message because donald trump is trying to turn the election from a referendum on the democrats, to a choice between himself in the democrats. so a referendum on donald trump. that's not what republicans want to be. and mcconnell, has mentioned by paul, that mcconnell and trump don't have a good relationship for obvious reasons. trump call -- helpful intervention in those georgia runoffs. so there's a lot of hostility out there. >> well, this is exactly the reason i think the whole
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crudités story is a big story. because what you said. you have patrick maloney here, you have sean maloney saying that democrats are not really double. they need to be more related to people. but if you look at what's happening in pennsylvania, someone saying crudités. that's actually a real story, because versus oz, in the recent poll, it shows that they are up by 11 points. there's a relatability issue when it comes to this race. you said that this race is going to tighten up. but will it tighten up enough? >> yeah, the crudités they, that was an unfortunate error. but i think the bigger challenge for doctor oz's his residence. i think that is really the issue. because -- >> authenticity? authenticity. >> yeah, and a very strong tended it. i think those words feel that. and i could make the case that he is going to probably appeal in some of these communities and philadelphia. and that whole shtick that he
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has always plays very well. but again, when it is the residency issue. and also, going up against doctor oz for $20 million and negative ads jumped on his head. it wasn't enormously contentious. and many of the republicans in the establishment preferred david mccormick so there is still hostility as to what doctor oz has as his base. i think the crudités thing, again, there was enough force there. i think it's in the past. but it did not help. >> i don't know about that, i think that people are underestimating that story. especially when you look at this is all about austin to city. it's not about the crudités, it's relatability, and authenticity. you know is a big surprise when they went for biden in 2020, but warnock is fighting to keep his seat up against herschel walker. who has a series of -- . does warnock have a good shot at keeping georgia blue? >> he does. this is the republicans opportunity to pick up a seat. because it is so close.
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it's traditionally been a republican state the last 20 years or so. but mr. walker, one of the greatest football players i've ever saw. not one of the greatest candidates i've ever seen. reverend warnock, he knows what he's doing. he's executing on middle class, economic issues in georgia. and poor mr. walker is trying to answer questions, just like doctor oz. couldn't answer how many houses he has. he said he has to, he has like ten. there were a lot of questions about how many children that he has. that is a pretty easy question as a dad, for me to answer. and so, again, in this case it's not on the disease so much. it's who really is this guy besides the guy who carried a football like nobody's ever seen? is he really what we won in georgia. and it's really hurting him. he's having a very hard time getting out of the shoe. >> yeah, it's also a qualification. let's be honest. and i'll just leave it there. >> as we say back home, bless his heart. >> yeah. >> qualification and quality of candidates. thank you very much.
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use it as a catchall, they don't even know what it means. i mean, am i wrong, bakari? >> no, you're not wrong. woke was a word that was ours, don. it was a black colloquialism. it was utilized when people who just knew it was going on around them. in college, when i was in morehouse in 2005, in 2004, people said you are woke because you knew it was going on around you. you are someone who's alert, who is paying attention. and sometimes you even delved into conspiracy theories etcetera, but now, it's just being bastardized. it's anti intellectual-ism. it's dishonest. whatever ron desantis thinks woke is is not what it supposed to mean. >> i get a lot of people, you don't even know it woke is when you talk about woke and wokeness. stop it. please, people. this is from the ruling, alison. alice. normally, the first amendment bars a state from burning -- speech freely, but in florida, the person who bars burdening
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speech while the state may burden speech freely. what do you think of that? >> everyone likes to throw around woke around, but the name of this piece of legislation that was signed, is the individual freedom act. >> the governor called it the anti wokeness bill. >> ron desantis is all in on wokeness. he is 100% using this as a cornerstone for what he plans to do next. he's really covering the gamut on this. but here's the thing, there are some components of this that i do think are important. things that do need to be pushed back on. whether we're talking about in the workplace, or in schools, there has been some efforts by those on the left to really push an ideology that makes some people feel as though they are inferior. the whole white privilege concept makes people feel inferior. and that is one aspect of this that i think is important to push back on that in the school,
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there should never be an effort to try and make any person due to their race feel inferior. and that is part of what is happening in this new ideology that's being taught in the schools. and that's one component that i think is important. however, there is a large part of this that is done a tremendous overreach in regards to pushing back on some concepts that i think are important. but they are taking it a little bit too far. >> bakari, let's talk about. this they call the stop woke act. the bill does not mention critical race theory, its intention was to prevent teaching or training that suggests a person is privileged or oppressed based on their race or color, their sex or their national origin. the judge says, if florida truly believes we live in a post racial society, then let it make its case. but it cannot win the argument by muzzling its opponents. go on, what do you think of that? >> i mean, this conversation is
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kind of silly. first of all, white privilege is a thing. i mean you can look at silicon valley, for example, in a recent example you have the former founder and ceo of wework who ran that company into the ground. they lost 40 billion dollars, but he got another 300 and $50 million worth of investment. he was able to fail not once but twice in a private venture. that was due to his privilege, and being a white man. you have a privilege that's exist in this country by the color of your skin. and look, whether or not we want to actually talk about the honest history of our country or not is something totally different. if you want to talk about people's place in this country, because of who they love, or the color of their skin, or who they pray to, then we really have to have a honest conversation, we've never dealt with the issue of race. and what ron desantis wants to do in the state of florida is make us dumber. ron desantis is pushing is not wokeness, it's not white privilege, it's anti-intellectual-ism. and i've said this before, i'll say it again, not everybody
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wants to be as anti intellectual as ron desantis. and the fact of the matter is this, he does not want individuals to feel empowered knowing their real history. i believe that i can criticize this country, because the blood of my family really runs through the soil of this country. whether or not is my grandfather who's a veteran, over there is my father who was shot in the civil rights movement, this is a part of our history. my father went to jail not once, but twice, unjustly. and so, when you consider all of these things in raising black children in this america, let's tell the truth. i don't care if it's called woke, i don't care if it's called white privilege, i don't care what term you want to put on it. i want to be honest about this country's history, and ron desantis lives in disney, weirdly enough he is the governor of florida, he lives in a fairytale land. he doesn't live in one america really is. >> alice, you are saying that it makes people feel inferior. how exactly does it make people
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feel inferior? >> well, when part of the teaching and part of the conversation that has been introduced tells a child that simply by the color of your skin, you are inferior or you are unduly privileged, that does make people feel it so that they owe something to other students. and here's the thing. when we're talking about diversity and inclusion and equality, the shush the mere definition of saying that one definition is superior than another flies in the face of making sure that we have equity in our school system. and that's the message that he's trying to say, we need to take these teachings out of the curriculum and out of the schools. >> shouldn't we just be teaching the history of this country, which is, you know, black history is -- >> don, i don't want a white kid to feel inferior. i don't want a white kid or a
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black kid or anybody to feel because of the color of the skin that's their inferior. that's the point. but what we are talking about that there are systems in this country who treat people an equally because of the color of their skin. i mean, there are communities, jackson, mississippi is a predominantly black city, doesn't have clean water. a city in south carolina doesn't have to clean water. we have a criminal justice system where we know that black and brown folks are wrongfully and overly incarcerated. we're talking about black women in this country, who 3 to 4 times more likely to die during childbirth and white women. we're talking about black women to talk about the largest and most booming small business owners, but to have the least access to capital. this isn't like a figment of my imagination. i don't believe. these are real life statistics. so, we're talking about systems of oppression. i don't want to white kid to feel any type of way other than understanding with the history is, and where we're living now. i firmly believe there's nothing, there's absolutely nothing that is in this country
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that we can't reimagine. and that's where i want to do, is i wanted to imagine where this country should be. >> thank, you bakari. thank you alice, appreciated. new development in the case against deshaun watson, when the nfl decide about how to discipline him after two dozen accusations of sexual misconduct. that's next.
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a major developments tonight in the case of cleveland browns quarterback deshaun watson. under an agreement by the f enough fell, and the players association, he's extended without pay for 11 season games and will pay a 5 million dollar fine. but also undergo a professional evaluation by behavioral experts, and follow any recommended treatment program. he's been accused of sexual misconduct by more than two dozen women. most of the cases were settled confidentially. here's his reaction today. >> and moving on with my career, with my life. and i continue to stand on my innocence. just because settlements and things like that happened, doesn't mean that a person is guilty forever knee thing. i feel like a person has an opportunity to settle on his innocence. and prove that. any prove that on the legal side, and we have to push for it as an individual person. >> joining me now, contributor carrie champion. carrie hello! good to see you! >> hi dan good to see you too. >> so carrie can you break this
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down for us? what about deshaun watson and how far, talk to us about how far the allegations go. >> so, bigger picture here, with deshaun watson. and i'll set the stage for those who are not necessarily familiar with this quarterback. at one point in time, no less than three years ago, he was called by his then former coach at clinton university. the michael jordan of the nfl. he comes in as this wonderful draft pick who is doing amazing things. he is the face of the nfl in court terms of quarterback. what they look like, thinking, how intelligent they are. things were bad with houston texans. and going back with the texans, we're hearing these stories as early as 2020, that he was inappropriate with massage therapist. but for whatever reasons, call it life, covid, whatever you name it. we don't hear anything about it. and then ultimately, somebody comes out and says, this is what he has done to me. one of these massage therapists. they're talking about it in a real way.
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they have receipts, if you will. he dmed me, he did this. at the very least, he was inappropriate. and at the very most, most are saying that it was sexual harassment and predatory. so the nfl has this huge problem on their hands. and they've gotten it wrong when it comes to punishment, time and time again. insert different names. derail, race colin kaepernick. we can go down the list. they can't get it right. and listen, not in their defense but how do you say sexual harassment versus how many games that you are suspended? it doesn't make sense. >> well, i don't want people to get confused. colin kaepernick got it wrong with the kneeling right? >> yes. >> and how they treat these people who they feel are not. fair >> got. it >> so you heard watts in the, he denies everything he just wants to move on with his life. so the nfl penalties and the measures that they're taking will get through to him if he's
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just over it? >> i think that deshaun watson, is a special case in the sense that i think he cooperated with the nfl. and i think everybody wanted to get it right. and this is the first time showing that they went through the different protocols, and they came back and they push back and said, instead of this private sentence, he gets six games. the nfl says no. we want more. deshaun says okay, i accept more. can we just move on with our lives? i think that ultimately, if they have it their way. and this is a coordinated effort, it looks good on all sides. and they will move on. the problem of the nfl has is that they're not willing to talk about the quiet part out loud. they have a real problem. and they have to address it. but the bottom line is business. so the aspect of someone's personal life does not coincide with someone making their money done. >> yes, and look at the same time watson has been given one of the biggest contracts in nfl history. we're talking big money here. what message, what do you think of that?
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>> that message says quite simply, winning trumps all. $200 million guaranteed an. just for those are watching, paying attention. they structured the deal by making the cleveland browns structured one watson's deal. by the first year he was only making 1 million and some odd dollars. it sounds crazy for me to say. but he's essentially being fined more than 1 million dollars. this isn't the fact that they guaranteed a chunk of change. because they wanted to corroborate. but at the end of the day, if you can win. if you can put fans in the seats, in the arenas, in the stadiums. we will take you. regardless of your behavior. >> we need to see more of you carry champion. i love conversing with you as you know. and again we don't see enough of. you thank you for appearing. we'll see you soon. >> thanks for having me my friend, take it easy. >> you too. hawaii has seen a post covid surge of tourists and trump's plans. and a lot of native people aren't happy about it. w. kamau bell asked can you move to hawaii without being a
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w. kamau bell is back with another all new episode of united shades of america. this week mob takes as to why, to look at how the cold post covid surge of tourists and transplants. how it is affecting native people, land, and culture here's a preview. >> this is where the broken relationship begins between the united states, as military. and people in hawaii. >> more and more mainlanders have been moving here because it is an easy place to escape, we saw the movers and shaka's program. >> yeah i think it's very problematic program.
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it's a set of colonialism, supercharge with soap shull media. so you can be a digital nomad and occupy the space. meanwhile, the people of this land can afford it. >> and they can't move to the suburbs right? there is the ocean. there's no place to go. >> people are homeless in their own homeland, struggling and surviving as best they can. and often that means affordable housing is in your car, or in a blue tarp tent. your kids are going to school, you got a job maybe. but you can afford a place to live. >> well joining me now, the host of united shades of america. w. kamau bell. it's also the director of the emmy nominated's is u.s., we need to talk about cosby. and the co-officer of do the work, an anti racist activity book which is available now. good evening sir, didn't you tell me that you made the bestseller. you said that it joined that list? >> yes. i'm part of the exclusive new york times well seller list.
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finally. >> wow that i'm on. >> yeah that you're on. well enough about me. let's talk about you. listen, kamau, like everything else hawaii was lockdown during the beginning of the pandemic. that meant no tourists. but that is not the case anymore. why is dealing with a huge influx of people right now. is this their version of gentrification? what is going on here? >> yeah i mean i think it's been a version of gentrification since the natives will say that the island was stolen from them. and when you think about the fact that tourism is back up in hawaii, the things that has changed is a lot of people who are making a living off tourism, they got their jobs back. the housekeepers, the people working the hotels and maintenance staff. a lot of those people have not gotten their hours back. because many of those who traveled are not used to having that level of service. and the hotels were doing that because of covid. but it means even last people are making money off tourism before. >> right, so they're saving money right? with not as many people in
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their employ. so listen, this isn't new for hawaii. outside of that, they're trying to control and use the land, resources, for generations. >> yeah, you think about why. as i say in the episode. it literally, the land is so fertile it could grow rocks. you know damien? and yet most of the food is important. which puts them in a very vulnerable position because the way that they are set up in america. they could grow all the food they needed more, could be exploited, yet the way that they are set up through the u.s. government they import most of the food. >> so what's the answer, because the big questions you asked throughout the episode is can you move to hawaii without being a jerk? so what's the answer? how do you fix it? >> i mean, it's a complicated question. i think overwhelmingly, the answer is no. but if you have to, be careful. and trying to do it the right way. i mean, my family has been to hawaii several times. i went with my kids, my wife has gone a lot in her life. but we understand that we want
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to connect with locals, make friends of people. and be a part of peoples lives. instead of going into a resort and expecting people to aloha all over you. >> so is that the situation for the native hawaiians that you talk to when it comes to mainlanders? what is it? >> i think a lot of it is hawaii in the ideal situation is hawaiian sovereignty. they would have their own country back. and a lot of people feel that they would be allowed to make decisions for themselves. i think the relationship with the u.s. government is an easy one. >> it's always, your program is always, and i'm not just saying that because i love you but it is always fascinating. always learn a lot. so thank you kamau. i will thank you soon. make sure you tune into the all new episode of the united states of america. with w. kamau bell. it airs on sunday, only on cnn. and thank everyone for watching! our coverage! continues
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good evening. we are one step closer tonight to knowing what the government's criminal case may be against former president, and we make it closer, still, because the federal judge who signed off on the mar-a-lago search warrant signaled his intention to make public at least portions of the government's detailed affidavit, in support of it. he unsealed a number of documents today. we are going to have the foothills for you in just a moment. also ahead tonight, what's some of the former presidents top white house officials make of his claim that he had a standing policy of declassifying documents by default, and there's also new reporting tonight and why he's been calling for all court papers in the case to be made public, but not doing so in the one place that it matters most, the courtroom. also cnn's clarissa ward is in afghanistan and her harrowing return to a place deeply affected by the war, in which she found when she got there, one year after american troops departed. we begin,
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though, with a surge of mar-a-lago in the fight in court today over unsealing documents. cnn's jessica schneider has that. so jessica, walk us through what the judge ordered today. >> yeah, so anderson, the judge telling doj to really go back to the drawing board and find a way to at least release some of this information from the affidavit. the judge is telling prosecutors to things. oppose redactions, but also better explain why they need to keep large sections of this secret. so the judge has set a deadline. he wants the recommendations next thursday at noon. and after that point, the judge says, he might have a dent additional confidential discussions with doj before you make that final decision about what to release. so, you know, parts of it are likely to get publicly released. but maybe not big portions. and certainly not the juiciest and most consequential details. however, the judge did release several filings related to the search today. there were mostly general information, but we did get some insight into this criminal investigation. so for example, the application from the warrant, it really better
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