we are adults and we know what's out there, so i was nervous but i said yes, and he's had no problems and very happy with it. >> such a sweet little guy. i know him. thank you so much. excellent work, and an important note for our viewers. dana's special report, "rising hate rising semitism in america," 9:00 p.m. eastern. i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett "out front" starts right now. out front next, cnn learning there is deep concern within the white house over the classified material that trump took to mar-a-lago. could the documents put american national security at risk? and what about that material on the french president emmanuel macron seized by fbi agents. the january 6th committee speaks with pence's attorneys about his potential testimony, but what about trump himself testifying. i'm going to speak to a member of the committee this hour. and will overturning roe

make men more responsible fathers. that's one argument made to our report, you'll want to hear the exchange for yourself. good evening, i'm erin burnett, out front on this friday, deep concern, white house officials privately expressing what's described as deep concern over classified documents found at trump's mar-a-lago home. the white house has remained silent publicly, but cnn learning tonight that behind closed doors it's a very different story. concerns are mounting that the information found at mar-a-lago could put sources and methods of the u.s. intelligence committee at risk, and part of that concern is likely stemming from the new documents released by a federal judge relating to the search of mar-a-lago. these are the papers that contained specific information about what the department of justice is investigating in terms of potential offenses. the words right here in that document under the search is related to a violation of, you see this line, willful retention

of national defense information. that is important language. it is language that sharpens the focus on trump himself as a possible subject of the criminal probe. and the developments from the white house tonight come as there are developments until the january 6th and georgia criminal investigations. tonight, republican congresswoman liz cheney that john carl discussions are going on about former president mike pence possibly testifying before the house january 6th committee. carl asking cheney about pence's comments this week that he would consider testifying. >> so we've been in discussions with his counsel. >> so you think we'll see him here in september in this room in front of the committee? >> well, i would hope that he will understand how important it is for the american people to know every aspect of the truth about what happened that day. >> what about trump, before you wrap up, will you ask him to testify? >> i don't want to make any announcements about that this

morning. so let me just leave it there. >> well, we're going to speak with another member of the committee, congresswoman szoe lofgren in a few moments. the fulton county district attorney's attorney's office said graham is crucial to the investigation because according to the subpoena, graham made at least two calls to georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger after the 2020 election. just to make it clear why this is so important, graham does and did not live in georgia. he is the senator from south carolina. he was a very close ally of president trump's, and here is how secretary raffensperger said he understood his calls from graham. >> well, just an implication that look hard and see how many ballots you could throw out. >> see how many ballots you could throw out. that's what he took away with a

call from lindsey graham, that's what he said to the georgia secretary of state who's responsible for elections in georgia. that call now exists in the context of the now infamous call that trump made to raffensperger. >> all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes. >> kaitlan collins begins our coverage tonight at the white house. and i mentioned the news you broke at the top of the show. you've been working on this, and you found out there are deep concerns at the biden white house about the documents found at mar-a-lago. what more are your sources telling you? >> reporter: the white house is not saying basically anything about this investigation, certainly not publicly, erin, but we are told that internally there is a pretty high level of concern about what exactly documents were taken to mar-a-lago, and potentially what could be at risk by the fact that they were taken there, not in a secured facility as the way that the federal government defines that and certainly not the way the intelligence

community defines that as, and so as more information has emerged as we have now seen what exactly was taken from mar-a-lago, we don't know specifically what the documents were. you saw that inventory list that came out last week after the judge unsealed it, that did list what they took, including some information that is only supposed to be viewed inside secure government facilities. it's what's known as a skiff to people here who work at the white house, and congress. you're often not allowed to wear things such as an apple watch to look at this information. they are concerned, what we are hearing from sources, it could potentially put the methods and sources that the u.s. intelligence committee puts at risk. they're not sure whose hands this was in, what has happened to the information. obviously it was not held in a secure facility. that's why they were so concerned about it. they have great concerns about that. we know represent tatives for t intelligence community have spoken to the justice department, congressional ent intelligence committees, the

national archives, that's something we're hearing from the white house about what they are wondering here and they want to know what it was that was taken to mar-a-lago. >> after the fbi search to mar-a-lago, we got the property search of what they took with us. they released the warrant and the receipt. there was one curious entry, info re president of france, and i know you have been looking p into this. what are you learning? >> reporter: that's actually one of the concerns that the white house has is, you know, does this potentially affect diplomatic relations. they don't know what that information was. it is notably under 1, talk about a note about clemency for roger stone when trump granted him clemency. that's another concern why they're connected on the list. the french embassy is not commenting on that. it has raised eyebrows about what that information is. that's their concern, this could put intelligence sources and meths at risk, and information

about world leaders. it was kept in a basement at mar-a-lago. >> absolutely. kaitlan collins, thank you so much, from the white house ton tonight. let's go to ryan goodman, coolivia troy, former homeland security and terrorism adviser to then vice president mike pence. you hear kaitlan's reporting there. if you were still working in the white house, you're in what is now the biden white house, how worried would you be about the documents that former president trump had at this point given what we know about them? >> well, i'd be incredibly concerned. it's a guessing game right now to figure out what exactly was in these documents, and who saw them, and where they ended up or where they copied or where they get into others or foreign adversaries, considering the amount of foreigners that go on to that property, and so i'd just be concerned about what was there, what is known, and whether any of our defense

capabilities, weapons systems or intelligence officers on the ground, whether any of this information at risk. they're right to be concerned, and i think that, you know, i could see across the national security community, anybody who holds a clearance, or really cares about our homeland security and national security as a whole, would be concerned about this. >> so ryan, it's one thing if, as olivia is saying, they would be completely justified in these concerns. it's another to sort of have it come out publicly that the white house is weighing in. right? they have so far steadfastly remained silent, outside of all kinds of accusations about their involvement, they did not know about the raid until it happened, the media broke it, and they have been silent. should officials even be talking about this? >> it's hard. tenn they're in a no win situation. this has to be a major concern, at the same time they're not supposed to be having any conversations with the justice department about an ongoing criminal investigation. what do they do in this situation, but i think it's a

real intelligence concern and that the people at the highest level within the white house need to have an answer to that. maybe they get the answer from the intelligence community like the office of the director of the office of national intelligence but they can't really speak to the justice department. >> at all, right. olivia, there are concerns inside the white house because of that 1a, right, that 1a, it stood out to all of us, information about the french president, emmanuel macron. you say it doesn't surprise you that that specific thing would have been found in the documents that the former president kept with him. how come? >> well, i don't think that donald trump was necessarily a fan of president macron, to be honest with you, and i think there was a tense relationship along the way. honestly when i saw that that was part of the information, i was like, well, that makes sense because donald trump is vindictive. he's known to be, and any information like that, he would probably hang on to. we don't know if it's classified information on the president of france or a memento or a letter

or something that he was planning to do or send so, i mean, you know, all beltsts are that. we have no idea. donald trump, he is a man who holds grudges and doesn't forget. it is concerning to sort of, you know, wonder why he felt the need to preserve that, and if it is intelligence information that's related to that, you know, that actually, it hurts our relationships internationally. it hurts our partnerships. there's intelligence sharing that goes on between our partners, and i'm sure that, you know, if i were the president of france, i would be sitting there wondering the same question of what kind of information is that. and, you know, it also questions the relationship. >> absolutely, and interesting, you know, commentary that you're able to provide about trump feeling vengeful and not liking the president of france. top trump allies have teamed their talking points as this has progressed to defend why trump would be in possession of

classified documents at mar-a-lago. here's the latest defense from his former lawyer, rudy giuliani. >> they want to make him responsible for having taken classified documents and preserved them. really, if you look at the espionage act, it's not really about taking the documents, it's about destroying them or hiding them or giving them to the enemy. >> right. >> it's not about taking them and putting them in a place that's roughly as safe as they were in in the first place. >> your response? >> it's really an extraordinary exchange. there he is, as kind of a representative for trump and he's admitting to the key elements of the espionage act. if we look at the cover note that was revealed yesterday for the arrest warrant, the words are that they're investigating trump for the willful retention of national defense information. he's admitting it was a deliberate attempt to keep national defense information. >> it's not about tacking it,

it's about destroying it, and disseminating. >> the provision they cited, he's trying to back into a corner of a new excuse. he's admitted key elements of the espionage act. >> and the other part of that, the stuff was sitting around, you don't know if people could come in contact with it and take it. maybe you were disseminating or an in environment where it could be disseminated. that's not right either. i appreciate it. i want to go to a member of the january 6th committee, congresswoman zoe lofgren. i appreciate your time. a moment ago before that conversation, i played your colleague, congresswoman cheney in a conversation with john karl where she said today there are discussions going on with pence's counsel about having the former vice president testify before your committee. how far along are these discussions? >> well, i'll say when the vice president said in his speech that he would entertain the idea of coming in to speak to the

committee, my ears perked up and i think everyone on the committee did. so, you know, if he needs an invitation from us to come in and do that, i think we'd like to accomplish that. we have learned an awful lot about what happened with the vice president because so many of his close associates have come in and testified quite honestly and at length. but sure, it would be great to hear from the vice president, and i don't know whether it was an offhand comment or whether it was a message to us to send an invitation, but we're certainly going to pursue it. >> you're referring obviously to what he said when he was in new hampshire, i believe earlier this week, saying he would consider it. just to make sure i'm interrupting what you're saying correctly. you're saying discussions have been going on a long time, and have now recently gotten more intense. it's that he said that and that opened the door, so it's this

week that all happened. >> i don't want to contradict our vice chair. i think she summarized it quite adequately, and i for one would very much like to hear from him. >> we also heard john karl ask about the former proseesident testifying. the answer was interesting, i don't want to talk about that this morning, politely. what more can you tell us about that possibility. clearly it is one, and congresswoman, i have to put this in the context of you've had seven hearings. you've already presented so much to the country, that to do it at this point, it says something. i may not know what that something is, but it says something. what more can you tell us about his possible testimony? >> well, you know, the committee rules done allow either of us to announce, you know, witness lists or what witnesses have said in testimony. i'll just speak for myself saying that i would very much like to hear from the ex-president.

but i really can't make an announcement as to, you know, our witness list, you know, unless the committee votes to do that, and there's been no vote of the committee to do that. your committee did recently en interview the former secretary of state, mike pompeo, and he after that has spoken. here's what he told fox news last night about that interview with your committee. >> they were chasing witches, right? this was a far field wandering interview. i spoke the truth to them. i can't tell you the details, laura. they were looking for discussions about the 25th amendment, discussions that i never seriously undertook with any of my counter parts. they were looking to build a story line, the conclusion of which was already written. >> chasing witches, congresswoman? >> well, i think my colleague, adam kinzinger described this very well. i think as adam said, this is spin on the part of the former

secretary of state, and our former colleague in the house. he certainly doesn't want to alienate trump supporters as he is hoping one day to run for president. we're not chasing any witches in any of these hearings. we're asking questions. we're hoping to ascertain the facts. i think, you know, one of the things that i mentioned the other day, the 25th amendment was not invoked. so, you know, to suggest that there's some kind of scheme to prove something, no, we're just trying to find the facts and that's the job that's been assigned to the committee, and i guess the -- our former colleague is trying to make sure that he doesn't alienate trump world. >> thank you very much, congresswoman lofgren, i appreciate your time. >> you bet. and next, dangerous rhetoric from candidates running for office right now. >> an administration of people

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total nut. that's how the current republican maryland governor larry hogan describes the trump endorsed candidate in the race to replace him. this after dan cox sent a fundraising e-mail stating that he would quote use the maryland state police and maryland guard to stand against all rogue actions of this out of control tyrannical biden administration. it's just one example of the kind of dangerous language, the violent language being used right now by candidates and elected officials in the u.s. sunlen serfaty is out front. >> reporter: it has escalated into an alarming battle cry of the far right. >> these people sent politically motivated federal agents to president donald trump's home and raided it. how dare they. >> reporter: many republican candidates reacting to the fbi search of trump's mar-a-lago home with violent incendiary rhetoric, taking their defense of the former president to new dangerous levels.

>> the raid of the home of the former president is just -- people are saying what is wrong with this guy. >> reporter: new york republican congressional candidate carl paladino suggesting the attorney general should be killed. >> an administration of people like maryland who should be not only impeached probably should be executed. >> trying to walk it back moments later. i'm just being facetious. the man should be removed from office. >> maryland republican gubernatorial nominee dan cox posting on facebook that if elected he would use state police against president biden's government saying, quote, as governor, i will use the 9th and 10th amendments, the maryland constitution and declaration of rightings, the msp and maryland guard to stand against rogue actions of this out of control tyrannical biden administration with fierce tenacity, and comparing the fbi search of trump's resort to police state

tactics. republican congressional candidate joe kent on the day he defeated six term incumbent jamie hererra butler in washington state's primary. >> when we take back power in 2023, we have to play smash mouth. >> reporter: erroneously claiming merrick garland broke the law after the fbi search at trump's mar-a-lago home. >> we're going to go after people who have violated the law. >> reporter: meantime some elected republicans and trump loyalists are demanding retaliation, the defunding and dismantling of the fbi. >> i would totally defund the fbi. completely defund the fbi. >> reporter: representative marjorie taylor greene tweeting defund the fbi, and selling t-shirts with the same slogan on them. the former vice president is calling them out. >> these attacks on the fbi must stop. calls to defund the fbi are just as wrong as calls to defund the police. you hear the former vice

president there at the end of your report. what has current republican leadership had to say about the dangerous rhetoric being used, throwing the word execute around regarding the current attorney general. >> those are big and important words and republican leadership is not doing much at all to tone down the rhetoric. house republican leader, kevin mccarthy, someone who potentially could go on to be the next speaker if republicans take the house, he was asked specifically about this rhetoric, and if he has any responsibility to tamp it down, and in that moment he chose, likely strategically not to answer at all. he turned the question around on the attorney general saying garland is the one here with a real problem. and then you have the number three republican in the house, elise stefanik, and she had previously actually endorsed carl paladino. he is the candidate in new york who said he wanted garland to potentially be executed and he's no stranger to incendiary language on his own, he has a long line of controversial statements, so republicans here

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say russia has shown a disregard for the plant's security at the height of irresponsibility. sam kiley is out front on the ground in zaporizhzhia. russia has occupied this plant since march. ukrainians have been going to work there, and have been sort of in this bubble, unable to get out of it. the russians have controlled it, and now we have both sides making accusations about military action around the plant, the situation getting increasingly precarious. what are you seeing on the ground? >> well, erin, i think that in fact i was here in early march when the first prospect of a nuclear disaster was raised because of course that was just after the russians had captured that location, firing shells, firing machine guns and so on, and causing extreme consternation. that consternation has come back into the international discourse because in the last few weeks, russian troops have been using a location or locations very very close, if not inside very much next to the nuclear power

station, to shell across the river, using rockets, shell the town, they've killed 13 people there. i was in a village a couple of days ago. they injured people and destroyed some villages, houses, not whole villages, excuse me, in a number of areas that are within range of these russian shells. the russians have claimed that the ukrainians have been hitting back. now this latest satellite imagery indicates very very clearly, as far as cnn's analysis of it goes, that there has been no significant increase in the damage to russian locations and russian-held locations around the nuclear power station for a month, so that really gives the lie to the latest statement coming from the russian president which according to the kremlin readout, the phone call with the french president, emmanuel macron, in which vladimir putin used the term, the systematic shelling and the systematic

conduct attacks conducted by ukraine. it is an extremely vulnerable situation. macron is the latest to draw attention to this, there are deep concerns about potential russian plans to reroute electricity from the ukrainian network into one controlled by russia. that is fraught with technical issues that could also cause a disaster, erin. >> sam, thank you very much. live from zaporizhzhia tonight, i want to bring in now dan rice, special adviser to the commander in chief of ukraine's armed forces, a former u.s. army officer and he just returned this week from his most recent visit with the commander and ukrainian forces. dan, i appreciate your time. putin warning of a large scale catastrophe at zaporizhzhia. he's warning of that, blaming it on ukraine, and saying the systemic shelling, which you just heard sam make very clear is not occurring, no evidence of it. nuclear expert says putin is playing with nuclear fire. what is putin doing here? >> he's clearly a terrorist at

this point, he's holding hostage the largest nuclear plant in all of europe, and he is firing at it, and i have confidence that the ukrainian reports are accurate. the ukrainians strategic communications chief is a friend of mine, and she always tell the truth. i think that's why ukraine has won over the world. russia tells two truths and a lie, you can't believe anything they say. ukraine is not firing at their own nuclear plant within their country. russia is, it's a false flag attack. >> you think it is, to justify what, what's the possible ramp here? >> the worry is that instead of dropping a nuclear weapon, he would actually just hit the -- just have a melt down, basically. he could sabotage it, say that the ukrainian nazis destroyed it, called a major fallout, just a horrible yuk shee ma fallout, and remove the forces. so he's losing in ukraine. he needs a way out with dignity, and this could give him the false flag attack, give him an excuse to pulls forces out, and

say the nazis did it. people in russia believe his propaganda. nobody in the rest of the world does. >> it's incredibly sobering layout you give there, it comes in the context of whafb recently some public ukraine, i know you've got a stalled front line on both sides. there have been a couple of public things that ukraine has done recently, successfully in crimea, which was totally controlled by russia. people didn't expect ukraine to do anything there and they did. western officials saying the shelling of the air base have put half of the fighter jets out of use. we can see the extensive damage on the screen there. this is half ot fighter jets in the black see naval fleet. that's not where most of the fighter jets reside, but none the less, that is significant. and you see the bridge going from crimea to russia, jam packed with traffic. russians who literally look at that, go on vacation in crimea, vacation during the war, trying to leave, all trying to flea. how big of a move was this for

ukraine? >> i think this tells the russians that there's nowhere in ukraine to hide, that they are at risk anywhere. so russia took ukraine in 2014, and has occupied it since. and one of the biggest regrets they had was not dropping the bridges when the invasion happened. the reason they didn't -- >> for crimea. >> they wanted to come back and reoccupy, use their own bridges to liberate their towns. they realized their mistake and the invasion of 2022, they dropped all the bridges into kyiv, and that's why the russians got stalled and the battle of kyiv was successful, so i think that crimean bridge is going to be taken down soon. i would think it's a major target. >> that big one we just saw, full of people going home. >> a 12-mile bridge and the majority of the way to connect the donbas over to crimea, over to what they want to take with odessa, all the way out, so they basically would choke off ukraine by taking the majority to moldova, and so right now, crimea was attacked. the ukrainians are not saying

how. they are attacking, you know, all across the front with conventional forces, special operations forces and partisans that are behind the lines attacking russians. russians are getting hit, they're not claiming which one of them did it. >> we have new footage from "time" magazine and this shows pilots training to fly american-made cold war era fighter jets. these are designed to attack tanks, specifically the kind the russians are using in this conflict. the u.s., i want to be clear has given no indication at any point they would provide ukraine these jets or any others. you've obviously spent a lot of time with the commander in chief. you're advising him of the ukraine armed forces. does he believe they're going to get these jets? >> i can't speak for what he believes on that particular topic. i have responsibly with people within the u.s. i think what we'd want to provide him and what congress is discussing, the house passed it, it needs to go to the senate when it comes out of recess, 16s, 15s, those aircraft are better for the environment, an

a-10 is a relatively slow aircraft. it was effective in afghanistan. didn't have a lot of air defense systems. the russian air defense systems and ukrainian are significant, you need mock 2.5 aircraft like f 15s, f 16s what we need to do is train the pilots in the u.s. now. if congress and the president eventually decide to give those aircraft, they will be trained in addition to their maintenance crews. that's a lesson we learned from the multiple launch rocket systems. the president approved it but no ukrainians are trained on it. it took four weeks to bring them to germany and poland and get them trained so we can bring them in. we need to do things in sequential order. if we train them, and the president chooses not to use the f 15s, it's not a big loss. >> thank you, special adviser to the ukrainian armed forces. the numbers moving left in big senate races which republicans are in trouble and

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and he's doing that to campaign with doug mastriano who's running for governor in pennsylvania. while he's there, desantis will not be appearing with mehmet oz whose senate campaign is flailing. the cook political report which has a solid record of predicting the outcome of elections has moved that particular senate race to leans democrat, and overall, cook political has changed the senate control outlook to a toss up. out front now, jessica taylor, editor for the cook political report, and jessica i really appreciate your time. let's start here with pennsylvania, everyone remembers dr. oz got in, there was all this big fanfare and he won that primary against a moderate republican. why do you think oz's odds of winning have diminished so much in these past few weeks and i guess couple of months. >> well, he had a really bruising primary that he only narrowly won by just over 900 votes, against david mccormick, and there were about $13 million spent in negative ads against

him, and, you know, he really after the primary, there was really complaints, we were all starting to hear from republicans that he was going to his, you know, home in palm beach and going to ireland, and, you know, instead of trying to sort of rehab his image, which polls were consistently showing after the primary and over the summer that he was very under water with voters, that those negative attacks had worked, and remember, he moved to the state to run, so he's facing a lot of carpet bagging charges, too, and pennsylvania is a very parochial state so being from there matters to a lot of voters, and john fedderman is. oz went to medical school there and got his mba at the university of pennsylvania, his wife is from there but he's lived in new jersey for the past several years when he's been working on his tv show, and so he -- it's that, and remember that fedderman has been off the campaign trail up until recently after the primary because he suffered a stroke, so i think it's a combination of all of those things, and what we have seen in the past few weeks is an

uptick for democrats across the board, and this is hitting very hard in pennsylvania where we have consistently seen over the summer that fedderman has had a double digit lead over oz, now neither i nor republicans or democrats think this is going to be a double digit race. pennsylvania is a very close state. this will tighten. but the lead is consistent enough and oz's numbers are under water enough at this point that we felt like it merited this rating change. >> and it's significant. and by the way, the context here, jessica, is what really stood out to me. it seemed, certainly from what you heard in the political discourse, from republicans and democrats that it was a fore gone conclusion the republicans were going to take control of congress, right, and they were going to, you know, the senate too. now you've got races in congress, ohio, georgia, wisconsin, arizona, and pennsylvania, not sure things. you had the gop chances of flipping the senate at 60% in the spring. now it's a toss up. right, so it's not just

pennsylvania. what's happening overall that made you change your prediction? >> well, we did see again that boost for democrats that happened after the dobbs decision. dr democrats and the white house have had legislative successes recently, and also it's these weaker candidates like oz, like blake masters in arizona, herschel walker in arizona that really are worrying republicans. now, again, i think the house is far more likely to flip at this point. but in senate races, they are -- candidates matter more. however, we have seen over the past decade, 12 years, that senate races have become more parliamentary, and that is sort of what i was attributing things to in may is that these races, because of the national environment, would be favoring republicans so much that republicans would have the edge, but we are seeing candidates out run biden, his approval numbers in that state. can that keep up, we'll see after labor day. >> we'll see after labor day, and it really heats up coming into the midterms themselves.

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spent working in the anti-abortion world. >> i texted my friend in all caps "roe v. wade was overturned." >> she embodies an effort in the anti-abortion movement to present a more modern woman base. rooted in religion and in science. >> i'm not supposed to exist. i'm a young woman who is a profl wh professional advocating for the life of children. if you need another option other than to take the life of your child and pay into an abortion history that really wants to take your money and killed your child, we're here to tell you

you don't have to do that. >> do you really think they want to take your money and kill your child? do you think that's the motivation? >> it looks to a lot of us like they are approaching needy women. >> the dobbs decision brings the fight to the stage. andrew beckwith thinks his state is the front line in the culture war. >> the infant mortality right in mississippi is twice as high as it is in massachusetts. >> that's a tragedy. here in massachusetts we've got some of the best medical care. it's a shame that we don't leverage that to promote a culture of life. >> this legal scholar is trying

to create a feminism that rejects abortion. >> you're really putting the consequences on women. we've left women with the burdens of fertility and really let men off the hook. i think what we've seen in the last 50 years is this real epidemic of fatherlessness. >> we believe men should be responsible and be fathers and not use abortion as a kind of after-the-fact contraception or get out of jail free card. >> so do you think banning abortion would make men more responsible as fathers? >> i think it should. we're going to have to really have to help restore the culture to where fatherhood is valued and give them something better than just sort of video games and netflix. >> i just don't understand why i need to give something up so that men can be better people. maybe you can develop a policy -- >> what do you see yourself as

giving up? >> why would women need to give up the right to abortion so men can eventually become better people? what if you made policy to address the man problem that addressed the man problem directly? >> i think you're coming at it from a very different place conceptually even. >> the conceptual frame work she is working in is one that is less abortion, more family leave. is the goal -- >> i'd say the goal is probably both, the gop has been really captured by libertarian forces for a long time and they have not understood the ways in which some economic transitions, going all the way back to industrialization have really harmed especially the working classes and the poor. >> this pitch is, okay,

sacrifice your individual rights. it's actually in your best interests. you sacrifice your individual rights to abortion and we're going to get all this other good stuff but the good stuff never comes. >> there's just a real shift happening in the gop that i hope happens more and more toward understanding the responsibilities that the community as a whole has towards family. >> we would love to see more organizations instead of paying for women to get abortions. we'd love to see them offer other alternatives like paid maternity leave and having flexible hours for the women who have children. >> i'm wondering are you as focused on convincing conservatives of the necessity of a more generous welfare state? >> to be honest, here in massachusetts all of our time is really taken by putting out the fur fires of pro-choice. i want life to prevail in the state of massachusetts. >> and next, the boy who was

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the news gets better and better for easton oliverson, the 12-year-old who fell from the bunk bed at the little league world series. he took his first steps since fracturing his skull. his hat and glove were placed on the field and his dad and little brother happy for small miracles every day.

>> be more grateful and we're just so proud of him for his strength and all the prayers and love and support we've received from so many around the world. >> easton, nicknamed tank by some who know him was watching from his hospital bed, awake and alert to see this message. >> go tank. >> go tank. >> tank's team lost but he is miraculously truly on the mend. and that's for joining us. it's time for anderson. good evening. and welcome to what might be called the perfect phone call stage involving the former president. perfect phone call was the call that got him impeached. he called it a perfect phone call after his supporters and enablers made a slew of excuses, none of which held