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the news continues. was handed over to the next level. transparency. that is a word you are hearing a lot from the former president and his allies in the wake of the fbi search of his former home. he is calling for the unredacted affidavit used to justify the search to be released. but his interest in transparency does not seem to extend to testifying. lindsey graham is trying to dodge a subpoena to appear

before the special grand jury investigating republican efforts to under overturn these election results. refusing to put on hold their own ruling that the senator must appear. but he's also filed an emergency request with the court of appeals for the 11th circuit asking them to put the subpoena on hold running it up the chain. talk about transparency. a federal appeals court ruling today said the doj has to make public that internally legal memo that was pushed by william barr. do you remember the one that he had to analyze whether not he should charge the then president with charges related to the russian investigation? he never seriously considered with the obstruction of the mueller investigation saying that the memo was an academic exercise. and a thought experiment. back to the search here the

biden white house is kept near total silence on the entire thing at least in public. the chief of staff said this. >> one reason why he was directed elected president is he said he would stay out of meddling like his predecessor did. critically in investigations being conducted by the justice department. that he would not politically interfere with the justice department enforcing our laws. cnn is learning that privately the white house officials are deeply concerned about what exactly he took to his a home and whether it could put the sources and methods of the intelligence community at risk. there's also a lot of worry about the potential of what is in those 11 different sets of documents classified documents have you that could cause tension with our allies. remember the fbi was involved with the french president emmanuel macron and we don't know what was in that report. let's bring in our

correspondent evan perez and john dean as well as heavy litman. what a friday night panel to have you all here. let's begin now because there is a lot of concern about these highly classified documents. they were not found in the national archive. but the white house says they are worried about sources and methods being put at risk. and from their perspective i'm wondering if it's now becoming clearer why the fbi had to execute the search warrant? >> that does appear to be there be concern. and usually with these types of documents it is the source and method. a lot of this information if you have a memo prepared for the president ahead of a meeting with foreign leaders, they get all of this information collected by the u.s. intelligence agencies. and that information does get out of date. what doesn't are the sources

and methods that they used to collect the information. this is why it stays classified for up to 50 years. and that is one of the concerns that your hearing right now from the administration officials. this was some great reporting from caitlin collins and natosha bear trend. what they are hearing behind- the-scenes is that even though the white house is trying to walk a fine line they are trying to make sure that they don't do anything that seems to be interference with what the justice department is doing. they are also trying to figure out how to deal with the blowback and any repercussions that may come from the former president mishandling this very sensitive intelligence information. >> it's not odd that they're biting their nails a little bit. a lot of this is coordinated. it's the intelligence of the u.s. we have allies and intelligence fears with other nations as well. so our own information can compromise someone else's information so there is cause

for concern that they are contemplating. but you hear the former president calling for the full affidavit to be released. he's talking about it from the interest of transparency. from your perspective i wonder if he's doing this because he knows it's likely not going to happen? >> i am sure that that is the case. he has to be aware from just common knowledge that they're not going to release the highly classified information as it was laid out in the affidavit. they're not going to release the witnesses. because he will go after them for his base well. he knows very well that they're not going to spell out the investigation. i don't think he's thought about what may come out and i think it could be very harmful to him. because there's nothing in the affidavit that is in his favor.

the documents are not written that way they try to establish probable cause exercise a warrant. what it may show is the back- and-forth between the department of justice and the national archives as they are trying to get material from the president that he had no right to hold. he had no business taking out of the white house and out of the security system. in that back-and-forth can get really ugly. and i think that is the most likely material that will surface out of this affidavit. practically in its redacted form. >> based on what john has already articulated it is likely that he is well aware that the reductions are going to have a stream of black lines threat. you know how this works. you also know of course that those lines can become the talking point. the idea that it is redacted.

what don't they want you to see. sort of the idea of the wizard behind the curtain and that can be used as well. the doj has until thursday to even propose the reductions. and they think it may be so extensive that it may make it essentially the void of anything coherent. devoid of any meaningful content. we are talking about an ongoing investigation protecting witnesses in classified information. what do you think the public is actually going to see? >> although the president is saying he wants the whole thing dead on he knows it won't be so he will be able to say that he has agreed. there plainly doing a two track strategy with his public pronouncements and then of course in court with a took no position at all. what is the public going to see? i think they have their black magic marker out and they're going to try to play ball. but there will be pages upon pages that are just blacked out. and as you say complete fodder for compute conspiracy theorists to say what is under here? he knows that has to be the case and of course we know with

the white house that that is the reason that they first did this search. and that is what they're trying mostly to protect. will probably never see the classified stuff. will see everything else if and when he is charged. that is the normal course of things. but it is just set up for rhetorical position. not a legal position. you can see the jackbooted thugs are hiding everything from your. >> on that point does it suggest that the attorney general sort of overplayed his hand in the sense that he was calling this bluff? but the next step would've obviously logically been speaking be the affidavit. today think the doj is not going to anticipate this request being made? or is the matter of them saying look, we cannot reveal what we have as part of this ongoing investigation. with that be your thought?

>> for sure. and it's not overplaying your hand it's the hand that you were dealt and the hand that they must play. to the extent that they are responding they respond to the courts somewhat surprising pronouncement that there may be some things that they can actually preserve. even the court is contemplating that it will be largely redacted. so they had to get the documents that the important thing to remember. we are on two different tracks now but the spearhead was getting them back for all of the reasons that evan and john have said. i think it was a forced move on their part. >> let me bring you back and because i remember when this happened. we are all old enough and young enough to remember the molar years. i'm not going to call myself old tonight's but the ghosts of trump investigations past is back with us. there was a federal appeals court that ruled they have to

make public and internal legal memo from it during that point in time. it was what they were going to ask about whether or not it would be prudent to charge donald trump. remind us about that time and why this is really an impactful thing? >> it is impactful for the appeals court to decide that the lower court was right saying that this memo should be released to the public. it's not deliberative. this is what the justice department has been arguing. the memo which was ordered from people inside the justice department as sort of a reason to not charge the former president with obstruction of justice. if you remember this is something the bob mueller in the end of his investigation chose not to make a decision on and kicked it up to bill barr to make the decision. according to the courts having reviewed everything they decided that this was really bogus. and never really something that

was deliberative. the attorney general at the time had already made the decision. you quoted correctly saying that it was an academic exercise and a thought experiment. which is really strong language for the appeals court to basically say that this was a force. that it was never a real deliberation. therefore the justice department cannot claim that it was deliberative and keep it hidden from the public view. we need to see what this says to sort of give the public the full sense of what was and what was not done at the end of that investigation. >> why was the notion that it was not deliberative so important? maybe thinking about the olc opinion on whether or not you could indict a sitting president? to some that could've felt like an academic esoteric sort of discussion thinking about the cost-benefit analysis. but the judge is quite precise here. why is this such an important point that it was not deliberative?

>> the deliberative privilege is just that. you cannot get information about the internal workings of the executive branch when you're trying to make a decision. who is making the decision and that is just the deliberation they have come to a conclusion with. what the court also said in language that was quite striking is they said what barr did was the equivalent of asking the legal counsel of richard nixon had broken the law during watergate. which kind of gave me a chuckle when i read the opinion. but it kind of was sticking to the attorney general on how bogus his level hiding the ball really was in this effort to block understanding that there was no deliberation. it was a thought experiment and nothing more. it should be available for our reading pleasure really soon.

>> i wonder when we will be able to view it and what impact it may have? as you know there although these investigations surrounding the former president. a federal judge that they would not put on hold lindsey graham going before a special grand jury that is investigating as we know republican efforts to overturn the election. you think about this discussion with transparency and one of the things that he has said is not about the deliberative process but he says i'm a legislator and i don't have to answer questions. i'm just doing part of my job. is that going to stick? >> first speech and debate means that you are on the floor actually saying things. it doesn't mean anything as he claims that a legislature might do. back to this opinion, what a rebuke. basically this is all kabuki theater.

they came out and made it seem like he was really considering and deliberating what llc had to say. and the courts with the district court and essentially saying that you were lying here. you just pretended that you were deliberating and it's not even deliberation. because it was precooked and you already made up your mind. that is a slap across the face to the previous attorney general. what will it matter for everything else? again it's more atmospherics. what a dishonest administration they were. but the court again and again now are really coming through and being the sort of crucible of the truth even as two things in 2019. that is a strong trend that is happening week by week. >> as much as people might think a lot of these questions are resolved or put in the forget about it category people still wants to know this information. they want to know what is in it and even we call this in memorandum i'm very curious to

see what was in it. was it a self fulfilling prophecy not to do anything about it was the meet on that bone? it was nice to see you all here for friday night gentlemen. i don't want to talk about or forget about the january six investigation. congresswoman liz cheney said today they may still want to hear directly from the former vice president mike pence. i am wondering and you probably are as well what are the chances of him actually coming to testify? publicly or privately in front of that committee? we will talk about that coming up next.

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liz cheney said the january six committee still wants to hear directly from the former vice president mike pence. listen to what she tells john the carl. >> we have been in discussions with his counsel. >> do you think we will see him in this room? >> i would hope that he will understand how important it is for the american people to know every aspect of the truth of what happened that day. >> perhaps. it is so good to see you tonight. can you sort of read through the tea leaves here? earlier in the week mike pence said he would give any and

attention to justify his due considerations. he was talking maybe about executive privilege. and may have liz cheney saying this. let's read the tea leaves. is the vice president going to testify? is it even likely? >> it is a highly unlikely. that is the answer to the question. and that is mostly coming from the people in and around the former vice president. we did hear him talk about the possibility and they are discussing it. but the rest of his answer when he was in new hampshire was about the constitutionality of it in the questions around that. sort of speaking mike pence if you well. more importantly the way one of his top advisers told me to read it was it's very unlikely.

>> you mentioned he was in new hampshire. that is an important point because he has not yet announced that he wants to run but you think you may be teetering on that particular moment? >> he also went to iowa. new hampshire first and then iowa and he is teetering in a big way. he is seriously considering it obviously. and he is trying to stake a claim to some very interesting spots which is someone who has the experience with donald trump but has not necessarily left on his own volition but been kicked out of trump world because he had the audacity to follow the constitution and the law on january sixth. so he's been trying to sort of accept that fate and stake out a separate place. thinking maybe there is a lien for him. the biggest example of that was when he said that it is

appropriate to question and ask for transparency from the justice department. but it's not appropriate to say that you should defund the fbi as some republicans have said and really go after members of law enforcement because former bosses. >> that may be the next horizon frankly on what is your loyalty to the fbi or thinking about all these things. what is really interesting is the new documentary you have preparing to reveal itself here it's rising hates. anti-semitism in america. it comes as there are a near record high attacks in the country. let's play a clip here for the audience. listen up. >> anti-semitism is rampant. says the director of the center of technology and society at the adl.

you also have people setting up these kind of servers and creating concentration camp reenactments. doing all kinds of hateful things by going around and killing villages. >> first of all, how jarring is it to see this in gaming? children play those mine craft games. there trying to appeal i think two children and that's stunning. and truly file. >> they are trying to normalize these images and the notion of hate. in this particular case anti- semitism from a young age. we should say that the individual that i spoke with said that some of the gaming platforms and companies are being really aggressive. as soon as they are alerted to something like this it is taken off of the platform. but the question is when and

how they get alerted to it. and you are a parent and i am in a parents. but you think of these areas as potentially a safe space because they are geared toward younger children. and it shows just how insidious the notion of anti-semitism is. and the broader notion of prejudice and hates that is especially flooding the internet. with the social media platforms and all of it. >> it's so true how we have to try to keep up with all of the things that are going to be the perils for our children. it is a full-time job. to look and figure out where the danger might be children experience this uniquely. you wrote an essay for cnn.com called what my 10-year-old son innately understood. it was a simple way to combat anti-semitism. he wanted to wear a jewish star necklace for hanukkah. and his reasoning took you by surprise?

>> the reason was he said that this is my identity and i see my friends were christian wearing across and they're proud of it. and they don't see any reason to not be. and i don't have a reason not to be proud of my judaism. it is who i am. and i'm writing in this piece that i certainly didn't say this to him but i was quietly sort of ashamed of myself because i was worried about saying yes. for the same reason we did this documentary. there is anti-semitism in the world. what i understand as of going on this journey talking to experts is he did not realize that he was sort of on the right path to wearing your identity loud and proud. because that is now one of the antidotes to anti-semitism. which is to normalize it. and be very clear that you are

part of the mainstream. part of society that they are familiar with and not the conspiracies that have invaded and been a horrible part of societies for thousands of years. >> we have to read this article. and you also have to watch the new special report called rising hates. anti-semitism in america. it begins sunday at 9:00. thank you so much. many school districts are struggling to hire teachers. speaking of children as we go back to the classroom. for many of them this coming monday. the class the question i have and what so many parents are wondering is what has caused this teacher shortage? is it the culture wars? we are going to talk about all of this coming up next.

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>> your treating parents of these children as domestic terrorists. using our men in blue against us. you are power-hungry in your dictatorship has gotten of control. this is no longer about safety. it's about control. >> it pits black people against white people and has an in game goal of restructuring america to an authoritarian regime. >> your teaching children to hate others because of their skin color. and your forcing them to lie about other kids gender. i am disgusted by your bigotry. >> you remember this was a big part of the governor torres in virginia that led to the

success of that particular platform. let's bring in our political commentator scott jennings and hillary rosen. you have to wonder, when you think about all of this that is happening you heard part of it there's chaos and hundreds if not thousands of other examples. schools have become ground zero for everything from critical race theory discussion to mask mandates. you had book bands and i wonder if you think that the culture wars have played a role in the shortage that we are now seeing? >> i'm sure for some people it has. i think the old stressors are still there. workload in classroom responsibilities. feeling like they may not get enough support from the leadership i think those things have been present for a long time. but these are obviously new stressors for this profession. and also for all professions with the overall labor participation rates is not immune to this.

i don't think it's all of it but i think one major issue here is the overhang from the pandemic. remember schools were closed in most places for a long time. and i think that was a mistake. it's been proven to have been a mistake and it put teachers under a lot of pressure to teach via screens at home i have kids that did it and i mean it didn't work. we've had massive learning loss and lots of pressure being put on these teachers to do something they weren't initially trained to do and it was probably never destined to work. >> i remember my daughter during the pandemic left at the end of kindergarten came back at second-grade that was a huge gap and i was pulling out my hair distance-learning. but i would've thought it led to greater appreciation for teachers. some realizing exactly how

difficult it is to be a teacher. but for many this became a breaking point of what was already a stressful 2 1/2 years for teachers. do you think this was sort of the culmination a variety of things happening or do you think that all of this with the blame that they saw saint you don't pay me enough for this. why should i bother? you don't even appreciate us now? >> i think it is all of the above too. that the stress on teachers is a huge. and the stress of the last few years has been huge. i actually agree that the school closures were a mistake to be closed as long as they did. we had data that showed that it didn't have much impact other than a negative one on kids. i do think that it's if you are a teacher and you listen to those parents in that opening at these pta meetings across the country you are horrified. you go in to teaching to help

people. not to be screamed at and subject to that kind of abuse and bigotry. i think we are forcing into the schools looking at a place like florida or texas or the places in california with her trying to legislate this, i think were trying to force conversations it should be had around kitchen tables and with families. and among adults. i am sympathetic with the parents who want to have control over the information that their kids get but i think we have to trust teachers more that they're going to give them the information in an age- appropriate way. and were not trusting teachers right now and they feel it. >> we trust the talking points. the idea that for people to believe the elementary school kids are getting critical race theory? that talking point goes a very long way. that it's not accurate to have that suggestion there. all of us have school-age

children. we know this very poignantly. you mentioned texas and there's a new state law right now in texas that requires public schools to display donated posters with the national motto in god we trust. florida's governor talked about critical race theory and i'm just wondering to hillary's point if you think that educators are in the best position to decide how schools are run and what ought to be taught or should the politicians be able to weigh in and sort of infuse the curriculum based on what their constituents are asking for? >> that is a complicated question. we need a conversation among all the stakeholders. politicians are responding to their constituents happen to be the kids that are in schools. and when we close the schools and did the distance-learning it put more parents in closer touch with their kids classrooms than they have ever been.

they learn more about curriculum and how learning is done. and other school interactions and they really ever known. and that give them a sense of empowerment. and frankly i would say a sense of being more impactful than they had been.'s and i have all of this extra parental involvement. i don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. but i do think we need collaboration between parents and teachers. one of the things that's going on in classrooms potentially is that teachers do not feel supported by parents. not as much as they should be. i think collaboration doesn't have to be one or the other candidly. teachers have expertise and knowledge and they should be able to do this. and that's the reason i'm here to make my kids have the opportunity to have a better life than i did. some going to be involved in my kids school. i think for everyone involved talking collaboratively and respecting each other we all have roles to play.

that is the right attitude for everyone involved. >> i agree with scott but that's not what's happening. we can call it collaboration but were getting political threats. were getting legislation that gives parents the right to sue the school system if they disapprove of something that a teacher says to their kids. and that's just too 04 with the risk that you undergo trying to have the educational experience it's too high. i would say it's appropriate for leaders to go out and say we don't need to legislate all of this. there are other ways to manage this spot instead of creating legal threats for just doing their job. >> there are a lot of voices here.

the people that i trust the most are the teachers. and the parents as they are the ones that are most directly involved with the children. they spend all day with the teachers but politicians are step removed. the teachers union is a step removed and i think they've been pretty bad for schools and the teaching profession lately as we saw during the pandemic. the people i want to hear from have the most interaction with the kids and the other people are really secondary. >> the conversation that we've all been having for many parents as you said is sort of waking up to the idea of what their kids were learning for the first time being intimately involved may be the first time at their educational career now. so many teachers are saying now you've woken up and wanted to be involved in your getting it all wrong and backwards because the talking points. but you know what we didn't talk about? we impact the children.

what do they think about it? it's a new school year for them next week. we will have to see what happens with them. another flashpoint in the culture war. and you are not shocked to know that it's abortion. one antiabortion rights advocate is trying to argue that outlawing abortion will and what he calls an epidemic of fatherlessness. >> i don't understand why i have to give something up so men can be better people. >> what you see yourself as giving up? all smart beds are on sale. save 50% on the sleep number 360 limited edition smart bed. ends monday

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she's part of a movement trying to create a more conservative society. some activists say they think banning abortion will make men more responsible as fathers. tonight, cnn ellie read takes us inside of that movement. >> when i was 12 i was fundraising for a global pregnancy resource center, and during that time, i was watching videos of what abortions actually were. from that moment on i knew that the rest of my life would be dedicated to working in the pro- life movement. >> deborah is 21 years old and has spent half her life in antiabortion politics. she's trained in activism at conservative think tanks. spent the first thing i texted my best friend was, roe v wade is overturned, and she texted back and she's like, it's about time. we are actually absolutely ecstatic that the pro-life movement has been given this chance to modernize our laws. >> reporter: 74% of adults under 30 think abortion should be legal in most cases.

but, she embodies an effort in the antiabortion movement to present a more modern woman friendly face. one rooted in religion but with a pitch that makes claims based on science. >> my faith informs me how i treat people, but science is what tells me that life begins at conception. i'm not supposed to exist, i'm a young woman who is a professional who is advocating for the life of children. we are here to say if you need the community to come alongside you and give you another option other than to take the life of your child and pay into an abortion industry that just wants to take your money and kill your child, we are here to tell you you don't have to do that. >> you think abortion providers just want to take your money and kill your child? you think that's the motivation? >> it looks to a lot of us like they are targeting disadvantaged women so that way they can continue to have their practice and their revenue coming in. >> so that's a yes? >> yeah. >> reporter: the decision brings the fight to the states.

at the massachusetts family institute, andrew beckwith thinks his state is the front line in the culture war. >> the child conceived in massachusetts should have the same right to life and birth as a child conceived in mississippi or texas or alabama. >> reporter: the infant mortality rate in mississippi which you consider a more pro- life state is twice as high as it is in massachusetts. >> that the tragedy. here we have some of the best medical care, it's a shame that we don't leverage that to promote culture of life. >> reporter: legal scholar erica is trying to create a socially conservative feminism that rejects the sexual revolution. >> when you enable, through abortion, what you think is consequence free sex, you are putting the consequences on women. we left women with the burdens of fertility, and we've let men off the hook. i think what we've seen in the last 50 years is this epidemic of fatherlessness. >> we believe men should be

responsible. and be fathers. and not use abortion as after- the-fact contraception, or a get out of jail free card. >> do you think banning abortion would make men more responsible as fathers? >> i think it should. we are going to have to help restore the culture to where fatherhood is valued. we want to give them something better than video games and netflix. >> i don't understand why i need to give something up so that men can be better people. maybe you could develop policy. >> what do you see yourself as giving up? >> why would women need to give up their right to abortion so that men can eventually become better people? what if you made policy to address the man problem that addressed the man problem directly? >> i coming at it from a very different place conceptually, >> reporter: the conceptual framework he is working and

imagines a less individualistic society. one that emphasizes the obligations people have to each other. less abortion, more family leave. >> is the goal to convince progressive women to accept restrictions on abortion or is the goal to convince conservatives to create a more generous social welfare state? >> i would say the goal is probably both. the gop has been captured by libertarian forces for a long time. they have not understood the ways in which some economic transitions, going back to industrialization's have harmed the working classes and the poor. >> this pitch is like, sacrifice your individual rights, it's in your best interest to sacrifice your individual rights in an abortion and women get all this other good stuff. but the good stuff never comes. there's just a real shift happening in the gop that i hope happens more and more toward understanding the responsibilities that the community as a whole has

towards families. >> we would love to see more organizations instead of paying for women to get abortions, we love to see them offer other alternatives like paid maternity leave, and having flexible hours for their women who have children. >> i'm wondering, are you is focused on convincing conservatives of the necessity for a broader, more generous welfare state? >> to be honest, in massachusetts all of our time is taken by putting out the fires of pro-choice and anti- life policies. i want life to prevail within the united states and in massachusetts. >> reporter: ellie reeve, cnn, boston. >> thank you so much. it's been more than two years since the deadly police raid on rihanna taylor's home. now, the louisville metro police department is terminating one of the officers who was involved. activelift tey provides an unbeatable clean on 24 hour dried-on stains.

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tonight we are learning that one of the louisville kentucky police officers involved in the deadly read on rihanna taylor's home more than two years ago has now been fired. the police chief saying she decided to terminate officer kyle meaney due to multiple federal charges that he is facing. breanna taylor was a 26-year- old emergency room technician who was shot and killed in her apartment during a botched raid by police. her killing sparked extraordinary outrage. and calls for police reform. she and three other officers involved in the deadly raid have and charged. two of those officers were fired previously. we're learning now the biden white house is deeply concerned about the classified documents taken to mar-a-lago. officials fear it could put sources and methods of u.s. intelligence at risk.

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