black hole basically produces ripples through the surrounding gas in this particular galaxy cluster. and those ripples can be translated into sound or a remix, as nasa has called it previously. it is remarkable. the news continues. let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." coates and "cnn tonight." laura? -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> oddly, that's exactly how i thought a black hole would sound. i don't know why, if i had to think about it would be like that or the charlie brown parents. >> wawa wawa. >> he was onto something. thanks charles shulz. anderson, thank you so much. i'm laura coates, and this is "cnn tonight." look, something -- well, it shifted. not exactly how sure and how much that actually has been the case, but we've ridden the political roller coaster enough to know that no one knows for sure what's going to happen in the november midterms. but remember that big, red republican wave that so many

political sooth sayers were predicting? if last night's primary results were any indication, we might have some clues that, look, that may not hit so hard after all. here's the first clue. >> have we been watching a little news coverage on the -- on the edge of our seat? i -- i -- i honestly can't believe it. i cannot believe it. >> well, that's democrat pat ryan. he apparently surprised himself that he won a special election against a republican in a new york swing district that many expected to swing toward the gop. after all, biden only won the district by -- what -- a point and a half in 2020? when it all comes to midterm elections, if past is prologue, the party in the oval office doesn't really get the benefit of the spoils. and that leads us to number two -- clue number two. i'll let pat ryan explain that one too. >> and i think these supreme

court decisions especially, on both guns and on roe, struck a real nerve that's much deeper than some of the other issues people are experiencing and kind of hit guardrails of democracy. >> another place as well, right? this was the fourth special election post-dobbs or post the overturning of rowe v. wade. let's be honest, keep in mind, a special election on its own is not going to be entirely instructive or tell us exactly everything about the political environment. but maybe grouped together, you might begin to tell a bit of a story. now, we don't noach eventually how this story is going to end but there seems to be a trend. look at clue number three. the president still can't be happy, of course, with his low

approval ratings, coming out of that particular aircraft. but joe biden's got some of his mojo back, as they say, winning a string of legislative victories like the chips bill, the burn pits bill, rothe president of the united states. the federal government is going to forgive $10t loans for most borrowers, upwards of $20,000 forll this m start -- finally crawl out from under that mountn the left say,

great, but it doesn't go nearly far enough, not what they wanted in terms of an overall forgiveness. then you've got the right, that this is president biden trying to buy votes. then there are complaints, like those that were laid out by "the washington post" editorial board, which calls this a, quote, regressive, expensive mistake, unquote. they argue this could potentially drive up inflation and that is just shift the debt to the larger tax base. the question now is, what does all of this mean to biden, who is adding to the list of accomplishments, knowing we are 11 weeks away from the midterm elections, less than 11 weeks to election day. the primaries are winding down, but we know when it comes to politics and certainly when it comes to congressional politics, the fight among both parties is far from over. joining me now, cnn political

commentators maria cardona, democratic strategist, david swirlic, and scott jennings, former special assistant to former president george w. bush. i'm so glad that you all are here. i have to ask -- why are you already smirking? what's happening right now? go ahead. what is your reaction? >> to the student loan debacle? the disgrace -- >> it's a debacle? >> where do i start? it's inflationary. it's illegal. it's immoral. it's irrational. it's idiotic. it's inequitable, and those are just things that start with the letter "i." i could go on to other letters of the alphabet. i think what he did today is a direct reaction to the fact that young democrats in all the polling we've seen hate joe biden. and he's sending them all a $10,000 check in an effort to buy his support. even nancy pelosi stated on the

record unequivocally that this is illegal, the president of the united states does not have the authority to do this. and the final question is, there is no world where you would consider this to be fair. what makes this debt more righteous than the small plumber who took out a loan to buy a new van or the person who got a mortgage or the person who got a loan to buy a car so they could drive themselves back and forth to work? or what makes it fair to the person who paid off their debts, to the parent who just wrote the last check for their son or daughter to go to college? there's no world in which this isn't a cynical, political ploy by an elderly president trying to buy the votes of the youngest people in his -- >> maria kor doe na just moved her phone away from you. >> i hope she was recording it. >> i don't know if you were going to throw it. >> shocker that a republican would be against something a democratic president is doing that is wildly popular at a time

when democrats are gaining momentum going into the midterm election showing it is yet another promise kept by this president. and by the way, it was a promise he made to voters, to constituents, not just young people, but, yes, young people during the campaign. he didn't just come up with this. and by the way, it's rich that republicans are talking about fairness when they have passed billions and billions of dollars in corporate tax cuts, in corporate socialism, and now they're talking about fairness? give me an effing break. >> think about that. good censorship -- i like that. he had the letter i. you had the letter f. we're not there yet. but on the point -- we do have other forgiveness programs, right? >> true. >> this is not totally novel in the idea that this debt, as scott mentioned, being so righteous. there are some generations that we're going to benefit.

where do you come out on this? >> so, i agree with one point that you made, maria, and one point that you made, scott. >> that's very diplomatic. that was very diplomatic. >> look, you're right. this kind of debt is not more righteous than a small business loan. one difference though, small business loan, other kinds of personal debt, you can discharge in bankruptcy. you can't discharge this in bankruptcy. treasury secretary summers the other day opposed doing that instead of this. this is debt that people are really dragging along. the other thing about this is that when you're talking about policy, scott, you've got to remember that every -- just as laura said, every sort of give away, if you will, is a give away to somebody. president trump gave money to farmers, who voted for him to do a trade war with china. and then he subsidized the trade war by subsidizing their products that china was putting tariffs on. president trump did the 2017 tax cut, and that was a give away in

a lot of people's eyes to wealthier americans. >> who -- >> before i -- hold on. before we get there -- zbliets a tengs. >> before we get there -- this will infuse the conversation because we're talking about equity and fairness. the biden administration has been about equity and fairness. i want to take a pause. we mentioned the student debt plan. i want to look at who it will actually impact. going to help ease the pain in communities most hampered by debt, racial minorities. but naacp, to a different point, may say it's not enough. they say, quote, cancelling just $10,000 of debt is like pouring a bucket of ice water on a forest fire. it hardly achieves anything, only making a mere dent in the problem. and we know the problem is vast. you have federal student loan debt in the u.s. around $1.6 trillion. it was a model from the urban institute that showed that 62% of the cancelled student loan dollars would go to white

borrowers, versus the 25% that would go toward black borrowers, 8% for hispanic borrowers. look a little closer, and it's black women -- i'm pointing at myself -- who hold the majority of student debt. shouldn't come as a surprise, considering messages, well, like this. >> a college man, i got me a college man. >> ma, this letter just means i got accepted. it doesn't mean we can afford it. >> nonsense. it means you're smart, you worked for it, and you deserve it. hon neerks it's your chance, and we're going to get you on that bus somehow. >> you're the first in this family to get into college. >> i'm so proud of you. >> i can't go, can i? >> just can't afford to send you. >> i remember ads like that when they were playing, and they would play all the time and be really fomented in the minds of so many people. and yet we see americans, people of color, who must spend way

more for a chance at the american dream. analysis showed that black college graduates owe $7,400 more, just on average, than their white peers. taking into account interest and graduate school borrowing, you're talking about black graduates holding nearly $53,000 in student loan debt after graduating, almost twice as much as their white counterparts. you're talking about fairness, right? we know at times we compartmentalize when equity ought to be dulled out. it's part of the conversation. does it change or influence you at all? zbling some of these things are extremely fair. i think every time you peel a layer back like you just did on the difference between white borrowers and african american borrowers, you see how little thought is put into this. but the part of the base joe

biden is worried about are the young, white, gender studies majors who are so unhappy with him. none of them want to support him for president again. that is who he is writing a check to today. it is taking for granted everybody you just mentioned. and i can't believe i'm the only person at this table who isn't more bothered by the fact that this is totally illegal. there is no authority for the president to do this at all. and chuck schumer, the senate democrat leader said today, with the flick of a pen, joe biden has got -- why even have a congress? where is the coequal or more important branch of government in all of this? >> because for so long congress, republicans specifically, have said no on any kind of policy that would give any kind of equity to the american people, especially those who need it the most. and i can it's insulting, scott, that you say that this policy will not help black students, will not help latino students -- >> i didn't. she said it. i didn't say it. she laid it out. >> i didn't say it. >> you just gave a very

compelling report. >> i gave a report of what happened. >> you said this would only help white students that are studying gender studies, whatever that means. i don't know. it sounds inult issing. >> it is insulting. i'm insulting. >> by gender studies? >> people in my community, people in laura's community, people in many communities, including white people, will benefit from this. that's why it is equitable. laura, is it the be all and end all? no. but it will be a step in the right direction. we need to reform the way that we send our students to school. when my parents brought us to this country, it was because we had this dream of being able to do anything you wanted if you studied hard, if you played by the rules. and my parents were able to send us to college because of the opportunities in this country. i want everyone to have that. and apparently republicans don't. >> well, go ahead. >> i was going to quickly say, i didn't get to say why i agreed with maria.

this was not a surprise. biden and other democrats campaigned on this. it may go down in court in some of the ways things like president obama executive ordered. so, i don't think you're wrong there. but this was something democrats campaigned on. it was not a secret. and biden is bringing it out at a time when he's on a little bit of a hot streak. >> it is a promise -- >> i agree he campaigned on it. i guess i could campaign on all sort of illegal things, it doesn't matter. there's nothing legal or proper or good policy about it. it's pure politics. >> one of the reasons they have said they did this is because of the impact covid-19 has had on people's ability to pay, hence the delay of the actual payments and beyond. that might explain part of the reason why. i hear your point. we'll come back to it. maria cardona. david and scott, stick around. i want to hear from all of you.

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public. you don't give squat about this family. if it was one of your children, heads would be rolling right now. but because it's not, you don't care. >> i have messages for pete arradondo and other officers, turn in your badge and step down. you don't deserve to wear one. >> arradondo, he may not be going quietly, however. his lawyer released a 17-page statement just minutes before the meeting, explaining why arradondo chose not to attend, calling the vote a, quote, public lynching. i want to bring in roland gutierrez, who was there tonight. he represents uvalde. you and i have been talking, senator, for some time. and this has been a tragedy that continues to unfold. you have been a part of this from the inception. can you tell us what it was like at tonight's meeting? what was the atmosphere in that room?

we are watching it. i can't imagine what that must have been like. >> reporter: laura, you've got a lot of broken families out here. i mean, they have been waiting for some accountability, any accountability, for now going on three months. and this is certainly a step in the right direction, but we have a long road to go on this issue. arradondo was simply one small aspect of what needed to happen here. what occurred on may 24th should never have happened in texas. you have to go straight to the top as to why it did. people are very upset, and rightly so. >> you mentioned the idea of one of. are you suggesting that he either was scapegoated or simply not the only one who needs to be held to account? >> laura, we had a house committee report, which very directly stated that you had many other law enforcement agencies with more fire power, more personnel, more ammunition that should have gone in. and indeed, there are protocols

within law enforcement handbooks that suggested that if he wasn't going to take accountability or step into the position of incident commander, then others should. clearly there was nobody in command. that was what a robb report indicated. we needed to do a heck of a lot better than we have done for the community of uvalde. sadly, it took 90 days for the school board to act. but here we have a governor, who the department of public safety direct reports to, who has failed to ask accountability from one of his own agency heads. he didn't need a committee to do anything. he didn't need a board to decide. greg abbott should have asked for accountability since day one, and that still has not happened in texas. >> well, speaking of accountability or people who don't believe they should be held to account, i want to read a part of chief arradondo's statement said. chief arradondo was brave, led

other officers in saving lives and took all reasonable actions to prevent further injuries or loss of life, as the active shooter protocols demands. given what you've said, there's equal parts sort of the audacity that people would think about and that notion of it. what is your response to that statement? >> it was bravery in that building. it wasn't from the police. it was from the children in those classrooms. they were the brave ones. the fact is, law enforcement -- and i know i can't play monday morning quarterback. but the fact is law enforcement walked around that hallway like it was a sunday afternoon. and they walked around it because they knew they were scared. they were scared of the awesome power of that machine gun that that young man had. but at the end of the day, they violated every protocol that said that they needed to go in. to place it on the cafeteria school cop, all the responsibility is wrong. he is absolutely responsible, but so is every other cop that

was in that hallway, including a texas ranger, that was on the phone with higher ups at dps. and they did nothing. they told him -- they didn't say, hey, go get 12 of our guys and go in. that didn't happen. steve mccraw has to account for why his officers failed to act on may 24th. >> i've often wondered why we all really know with fluency the name pete arradondo. but some of the names you've mentioned as well, i wonder if we'll hear more information about that. i can't believe it's been three months. every day, i'm sure for the families, it's felt like a thousand. thank you state senator roland gutierrez. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you so much, laura. up ahead, this democrat you're about to see, he could be the first member of what's called generation z to serve in congress. and he calls gen z, the mass shooting generation. 25 years old and beat out seasoned former member of

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so, congress could get its first gen z member this fall. 25-year-old maxwell frost won the democratic nomination is florida's tenth congressional district. that's the one that val demings

is leaving behind, as she runs for senate. how did he best a crowded field of experienced candidates? it could be maybe his story, an activist with working class roots. he drove uber for extra cash. or maybe because he was backed by power houses like bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. why don't we just ask the man himself and not talk around him. maxwell frost joins me now. welcome to the show. how are you? >> doing well. feeling blessed. thank you so much for having me tonight. >> congratulations on your win. i hate to almost couch it in the language of the first generation person because it seems very dismissive of who you are and what you bring to the table. but it must be said. many are looking at this saying, he's very young. he might be a member of congress. how do you feel about it? example and symbol to where we need to go in our country. look, we need a congress tal th.

we know that young folks in this country are going through new challenges, and i think it's important to have that perspective at the table. but let's be clear and honest about it too. i didn't run to be the first gen z member of congressg because o issues in my district because i see what folks are going through in orlando and all across florida. and i'm dedicated to fighting for people to live their best lives, to not worry about whether or not they're going to have a next meal, to not worry about picking between rent and medicine. these are real issues people are going through right now. and, you know, my age gives me a different perspective, but we need different perspectives in congress it can really work for everybody. >> you're saying people want to appeal to younger voters. suddenly they think you might be too young to lead. it's always a funny thing when they do these notions. but i do want to ask you about one of the things you've talked

about in terms of what's very important to you. i can't help but notice in a place like florida, where you had the orlando pulse night club shooting and parkland -- unfortunately mass shootings in this country have become far too common. we just talked about what happened in uvalde at robb elementary school. you've spoken about the generation that you represent in part as the mass shooting generation. do you intend to act in congress to do more than what has already been done? >> 110%. i intend to be a vocal champion on ending gun violence in congress, taking ai wholist approach to ending violence, and building a world where we don't have to fear going to church, going to the store, walking in our own communities. just a few months ago, the leading cause of death for children went from automobile accidents to gun violence. our children are literally on the front lines of this issue. and we need bold champions to fight. i want everyone to think about how serious of a problem mass shootings are and the carnage it

wreaks havoc on our communities and know that that's 100% of gun violence. this issue is so broad, it is ruining so many lives, taking the lives of so many americans. and we need folks who are going to be bold leaders on it, and i intend to join the group of great advocates in congress to build a world we're safe in. >> a lot of what you have talked about tonight and i know what came on your campaign trail was very appealing to voters -- hence, of course, your victory -- was that your experience resonates with them, who you are as a person, the experiences you've had to date, your work, the idea that you actually haven't finished college, i understand. but i am wondering about what you view as today's issue in particular that has been so impactful for so many people. there's been a lot of reactions even here today on the show. what do you make of president biden's decision to cancel certain amounts of student loan debt? it's a very important issue for people who are coming out of

college, who are under $150,000 a year. it is a huge, saddling burden. >> yeah, i think it's a great step in the right direction and the direction we need to move in. and people need to realize, when we think about the word college, we only think about young people. and this does impact many, many young people all across the country. but there's also older folks who have gone to college as well who have debt themselves. this isn't just an issue that impacts one small group of people. it impacts many americans and really all americans. and what this campaign has been about has been a campaign of love. because i love you, i want you to have health care. i don't want you to have any debt. i want you to have the resources we need. when we move to that type of politics, we can look at folks who have debt and say, yes, that should be forgiven so you don't have that chain on you and you can live your life. i think it's a great step in the right direction. hopefully it's a call to action for people across the country to

work and cancel student debt. i believe this is something that shows the president is looking at the issue very seriously. this is going help tons of people. we know folks of color, black and brown people are disproportionately impacted by the student debt crisis. this is also a racial justice issue, it's an economic issue, and it's the right thing to do. >> thank you so much. i hope that people no longer lead with your age but instead what you have to say in the substance. maxwell frost, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. if people want to support, they can go to frostforcongress.com. >> thank you. each day we're learning something new about the many classified documents retrieved from mar-a-lago. tonight is no exception to that. a deadline is looming for donald trump and his legal team. we're going to tell you about it next. i've asked my wife and plan member, toto back me up. you're not my wife. no, i just stand in for her on set during the boring stuff. the boring stuff? are you kidding, i'm announcing

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new tonight, donald trump's refusal to turn over records to the national archives stretches back even further than we thought from before, back to when apparently he was still in the white house. cnn's confirmed a report from the "washington post," an email from the national archives says about two dozen boxes of presidential records stored in then-president trump's white house residence were not returned in the final days of his term. even after archive officials say they were told by the former

trump white house counsel pat cipollone that they should -- his words -- be given back. with me right now, with my friend elie honig, senior analyst for cnn. you here in washington, d.c. look at you. >> i'll go anywhere for you. >> ah, see. i've got to wear my boots for this one. i've got to ask you, what do you make of this? >> look, the timeline keeps getting longer and longer here. it's not good for trump. it raises questions for doj and what took so long. this went back to time donald trump was in office. we know from letters that came out they were negotiating calmly, patiently, maybe too patiently with trump's people throughout 2021. we got some boxes, that first 15 documents but not all. doj gets involved. they try the subpoena. finally they get to the search warrant. big take away, the search warrant was a last resort. doj tried everything. and arguably doj was even too

precipitous, allowed this to go on for too long, and were too solicitous, i should say, and too passive in the way they handle this. >> it's not your ex-boyfriend's sweater he wants back, right? you're talking about classified documents and you're talk about -- by the way, he's not getting it back. i'm a married woman now. you think about all these things. these are classified documents. you're talking about when he was president of the united states and they were asking for it back, it was still negotiable. but this brings to the point you raised -- we talked about this yesterday. scott, you look at this and think about how far back this goes. you don't think this means that biden knew nothing. you think it means that biden might know more than he's letting on. >> we don't know because we don't exactly know -- we keep calling them classified documents. but at the same time, the laws they say he broken don't require it to be classified. we don't actually know.

i think ely brought up a good point. what took so long. if this were -- this is a question many people should be asking. if there were the highest level of secrets that put the united states national security in grave danger, which is the words people are using, why did they wait so long? i think you raise an excellent question. we can't answer it, which i think is why the doj is going to have to succumb to some form of transparency. >> biden did ask if he had any advanced knowledge of the search. hear this part. >> mr. president, how much advanced notice did you have of the fbi's plan to search mar-a-lago? >> i didn't have any advanced notice, none, zero, not one single bit. >> okay. quick question on that. if that's true, you're saying that one of the most sensitive documents in the federal government is on the loose out in the open in mar-a-lago, and the president of the united states doesn't know about it or hasn't been told about it? either that can't be true or the

document as grave as people have said. >> he's put himself on the hook with that statement. >> why? >> he's on national tv today saying he knew nothing. if it later comes out he was in a meeting with the attorney general, he'll have to back pedal. you're right we don't know what we don't know. you're right we should be patient. it's possible the delay was to make it appear not political just as much as it could be to make it appear political. legally this doesn't redound well for the president right now. politically, though, the messier it gets, the more it gets strung out, special masters, affidavits, magistrates, what happened here, what happened here, the president can keep churning and churning politically on it instead of it being boiled down to what it is at a fundamental level. these are documents, laura, that

belong to people of the united states, that national archives asked for them back and they didn't get them back. >> for a long time. you mentioned the affidavit. the affidavit deadline -- let's unpack this a little bit. i want people to have expectations managed. tomorrow is thursday. it doesn't mean we're going to see the affidavit in redacted form or otherwise form. >> prepare yourselves for not much tomorrow and possibly nothing tomorrow because let's be clear on what tomorrow is. that is the deadline by which doj has to submit something privately to the judge saying, okay, judge, here is the part of the affidavit we can li with you unsealing. the judge may see that and say, i agree, we'll have it at 3:00 p.m. the judge may say, i need to sit on this. i need to look at it for a day or two or a week. or the judge may disagree. the affidavit -- i can put myself back in the shoes we were once in at doj. these affidavits -- the notion of them coming out during the investigation goes against everything we were taught. it's unheard of. so, i guarantee you prosecutors

have spent the last week saying, okay, how do we look like we're telling something while telling as little as humanly possible. you cannot out your investigation. you cannot out part of your investigation. if you redact out part of your investigation but not another part, it looks like you're selective. >> you have democrats and republicans now. congressman ro khanna came out saying there needs to be more transparency. you have to assume in writing it, if this gets out, then what? the idea of transparency is not going to be the most effective way prosecutorially. >> the fact you have serious democrats and republicans in the congress wanting it, you have news outlets wanting it. there's obviously public interest it. he is likely going to be a presidential candidate. you guys tell me.

i feel like merrick garland is so in over his head on this. they failed to predict what the outcome was going to be. he gave his hostage video statement. they haven't really answered any direct questions. >> they haven't leaked though. i want to say when we talk about this -- let's be fair though. i don't think he's in over his head in the sense of be inept. i think he really is a man of credentials. i also think a lot of the statements we're talking about, we have to in part all ourselves out in the media and pundit ri and social media that tries to get ahead of it and fill in the gaps. doj didn't make the points we're talking about. i don't think it's all coming from doj to suggest that it's nuclear documents, acceptance of the classified documents. they haven't put that out. >> that's part of your point. merrick garland, attorney general, former federal judge, the guy who handled the oklahoma city bombing, he's not incompetent. he knows what he's doing. he's an old washington hand. i think what you're saying is to

not have anticipated the fire storm that has come out here is his biggest problem. >> i've been critical of merrick garland on many levels. here i give him credit because he's acting as the platonic ideal of a prosecutor. the way that we were trained as young kid when is we started that you don't do politics, you operate in a vookacuum. that doesn't fly for the attorney general of the united states. you have to be aware that you don't operate in a vacuum. as much as we would love to operate in a vacuum, if you're the ag, you have to see the world -- >> bill barr was not the most transparent. most recent ag. one is fbi director in james comey and garland. but you can't and garland and comey and everyone be satisfied about transparency. thank you so much. and coming up, look his team accurately made a crucial call for joe biden in the 2020 election. but did the honesty and the transparency cost him his job at fox news? the now former fox political

editor tells us about the backlash he faced and why he now accuses the network of inciting, quote a lack of helicopter level paranoia and hatred. the conversation is next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ yes, i'm a believer. always have been, and i tell my granddaughters, take care of yourselves you never know.

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time for the conversation. my guest tonight was the political editor for fox news and made the decision to call arizona for joe biden, signaling the beginning of the end for president trump. >> we knew it could be a consequential call because it was one of five states that mattered, the ones we were watching. we knew it would be significant to call any one of those five but we knew trump's chances were very small and getting smaller based on what we seen. we were able to make the call early. we were able to beat the competition. we looked around the room. everybody says yay and on we go. by the type we found out how much everybody was freaking out and losing their mind over this call, we were trying to call the next state. >> chris says that that decision ultimately cost him his job and

in a new book, he's accusing fox news of inciting quote black helicopter level paranoia and hatred. he is the author of a new book broken news why the media rage machines divides america and how to fight back and he joins me now. chris, it's good to see you. we did coordinate outfits. >> the vibe is strong. >> appreciate the vibe right now. thank you so much. speaking of that, we remember your testimony for the january 6th committee and one of the things that fox news has had to say about it is they don't believe that was the reason you were let go at all. the end of your job. what do you say to their statements? >> i never said that's why they fired me. a lot of people said that's why they fired me. i don't care. they don't owe me a job. fox news doesn't owe me a job. that's okay. i had a great time at the network. i'm proud of the job i did and with other people. the news division of fox was great. i worked and and for and around great people. that was fine. they fired me. it's their network. that's okay. but i do know that the viewers

of fox news were incredibly angry. i didn't make that call. i was part of a decision desk team that made a call. >> to call arizona. >> to call arizona but i did have to go, i got to go on air to defend the call and explain the call and lordy day did people get angry about that. i had one u.s. senator call for my firing and said we were engaged in a coverup. i thought are there ballots under the table i haven't looked at? what are you talking about? part of the reason i wrote this book was that i observed in these viewers and folks they had been so deceived and they had been so flattered and they had been so coddled over the years that when the ice cream dish was taken away and me, mr. green beans is put in front of them and said well, too bad donald trump is not going to get reelected, they were not ready

for that. >> they were told for so long green beans is your daily diet, you're very critical. hands down at fox news and the work that is happening there although you said you were proud of your work. so what do you say to those who say you contributed to that? why come out now after you're gone to suggest there were problems? >> well, this isn't really a book about fox news. i am critical of a lot, a lot of people in this. now, i worked at fox news for a long time so obviously, my experience is there and informs my insights on this stuff. here is the point of this book. as journalists as american journalists, we have an obligation to our country, if we love our country, then we have an obligation to make sure the work we're doing, i'm not saying it can't be fun and exciting and saying there isn't time for ice cream sometimes. >> but there is ethics. >> if we love our country and we love our fellow countrymen and

d country womanmenen, we have to sure we're not destructive to the ambitions. when we use fear and hate and anger and paranoia to keep h ratings high and attached we're not living up to -- i think about this all the time. a million american men and women died to preserve, protect and defend this country and our constitution. if i don't try to do a good job and love my country and love my fellow americans in my work, then i am letting them down. and we have obligations as journalists. i loved your last segment. i loved the way you talked about this stuff and pulled it back. that's what i'm talking about. a little patriotic rights. as news consumers, let's not kid ourselves. this isn't a supply side problem. this is a demand side. >> on that point, it's -- you are correct in the idea of truth not supposed to have been the novelty. the idea of the responsibility to your reporting because we are

in many respects not only the last but the first line of defense for information to be out there. you know, one of the things you did, you spoke in front of the january 6th committee and speaking about what you're saying today is part of the book more broadly. what impact do you think that committee is having in terms of a parallel endeavor to present what they say are the facts of what happened leading up to and on january 6th? >> thanks to televised committee hearings, most hearings in congress stink, right? most of them are performative art where these members try to get the sound byte to put in a fundraising video. i want to credit the january 6th committee. i thought it might turn into another goat rodeo, but they have really made an effort to reach out to republicans and convince people and the witnesses they chose reflected that and i thought that was good. >> you were one of them and the book tells the rest of the story people are very interested in hearing. thank you so much. we'll be right back. d birthday ? so adding “and” student might feel daunting.

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thanks for watching, everyone. i'm be back tomorrow night. guess what is next? d don lemon and "don lemon tonight" starts now. like buehler. is that how you say it -- i don't speak french. >> you're from louisiana, there you go. it's baked into the recipe. >> i kid because i love. >> we have the same head tail. >> is your tie the pattern somewhere? >> a little bit. >> looking forward to your show. >> i'll coordinate one night. i'll watch and match and -- yeah. >> that would be a dream come true. don lemon watching and coordinated with me. >> by, laura coates. >> bye don lemon. >> see ya later. thank you fo