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good evening. 31 years ago today, ukraine declared independence from the soviet union. six months ago today, russian forces invaded. had their warplanes succeeded, we would now be approaching the six month anniversary of russia's takeover of ukraine. instead, for many reasons, first and foremost the remarks -- of the ukrainian people,
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ukraine is still independent, and has fought russian invaders to a standstill. at the cost, which is almost unimaginable, or was until february 24th six months ago. it changed so much for ukraine, europe, superpower relations, and the nato alliance. for people living worlds away of the fighting, vladimir putin would prefer we pay less attention to it all tonight. instead, because of just how important it is, that is where we begin the broadcast. reminding you again, showing you again, the moments of savage brutality, and the moments of hope over the past six months. >> we are all here, our military are here, citizens in society are here. we are all here defending our independence. our state, and it will remain so. glory to our defenders, glory to our women, glory to ukraine. >> that is volodymyr zelenskyy just hours into the invasion. not fleeing the country or evacuating to lviv, or eastern
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poland as some had expected. standing firm, as alleys -- today, the former actor and comedian spoke to the un security council to the -- which tried to demand that he appear in person. he began his remarks that a russian strike on a train station in eastern ukraine had taken at least 16 civilian lives. the death toll still stands at 22. if the last six months have shown anything, it's that targeting civilians is not merely a regrettable accident of russia's war, it appears to be central to it. the video you're about to see is from early march. it was taken during the evacuation of irpin, outside of kyiv. a family, a, mom her two children, and a friend who is helping them flee, killed in a mortar attack. >> [speaking foreign language] [noise ] >> stay there!
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all right. >> screaming for a medic. this is the aftermath that photographer lindsey dario captured this image. you saw it in the video, you saw -- she launched round >> --
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it's not possible, because as she put, it they know that there are civilians here. but it was no accident. just as the massacre in bucha also outside of kyiv, no accident. more than 300 civilians were murdered, their many left on the streets and sidewalks. some shot with their hands tied behind it backs, others killed on their bicycles, picking up food to feed their families. no accident. in the last six months, we have seen a children's theater being used as a bomb shelter targeted and destroyed. the markings on the ground outside visible even in satellite videos. not far from, their russian forces leveled the maternity hospital, one of dozens of hospitals and medical facilities targeted over the last six months, according to the un. if there has been one defining feature of russian tactics towards civilians so far, it's the destruction in residential neighborhoods. we have seen that almost since day one. take a look at a kyiv suburb in march, at least 33 people killed. the woman's voice you will hear undertake is screaming kids, little kids.
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>> [noise] [speaking foreign language] >> according to the un, sinc e the invasion, 6. 8 million ukrainians have fled to other parts of europe, and 4 million have registered for some sort of temporary protection in the host countries. many, if they do return, will
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have no place to return to, like in mariupol. sections of which have already been leveled by russian artillery. it is also here at a huge steel complex in a city where the world witnessed a demonstration of the ukraine's fighting tenacity, in this case against all odds for 80 days. ukrainian forces lost that
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siege and city, but also managed to drive russian forces away from kyiv and kharkiv. this video from east of kyiv, showing a ukrainian fighter using an old soviet-era rpg, reloading and rushing back to a clearly exposed position to take another shot. since then, u.s. and western arms have helped them drive the invasion in the east, to a virtual stop. as of today, the u.s. has sent 13. 5 billion dollars in military assistance to ukraine, 12. 9 billion of it since the war began. other nato countries have also helped, including germany, who broke a decades old practice of not supplying arms. they're all sharing the burden of inflation and shortages due to the war. today, ukraine marked independence day with a display of captured and it damaged russian tanks in kyiv, and mourns the loss of more civilian lives. at least 22 as we are reporting today. sam kiley is there for us tonight. sam? >> anderson, this is the day that marks the independence day
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for ukraine, and also the six month anniversary, as you pointed out in your brilliant introduction. the six month anniversary of the start of the war. 31 years ago, ukraine shook off soviet domination, but they are not yet managing to shake off the russians. at the same time, of course the whole idea of the invasion that nato would somehow threaten russia, has actually increased in truth. nato partners bilaterally are now doing deals, security deals, and the treaties and agreements with ukrainian government just as vladimir putin feared they would. let's take a look back and how things have unfolded over the last five or six months. >> these troops over here, they are russian airborne forces. >> vladimir putin was wrong to assume that russia would topple
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the government, and capture kyiv in a matter of days. his 24th and february innovation officially to free the country from nazis and stop it from joining nato, met ferocious ukrainian resistance from day one. assault convoys to the capitol were stalled and attacked. russian troops driven back from kyiv, fell upon citizens in irpin and bucha. their atrocities, revealed as they were forced out, leaving misery and murder in their wake. soon, russians turned their guns on civilians across the country. as the kremlin's tactics switched from replacing ukraine 's rulers to breaking its people. railway stations, residential blocks, hospitals, even a
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nuclear power station where -- and are still being targeted. ukraine held on and fought back, driving russians from kyiv, and away from kharkiv. mariopol, a russian-speaking city on the black sea coast, became a focus of putin's wrath. its population, driven from their homes. thousands of civilians were killed, and a prolonged siege ended in the surrender of hundreds of ukrainian troops. but they helped stalled the russian advance west, while ukraine's government desperately sought weapons to offset russias advantage in numbers of men, and machines. >> we are holding on, for six months. it's difficult for us. we clench outfits, fighting for our faith. what is the end of the war for us? we used to say peace, now we say victory. >> victory is a way off.
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fighting in the east has trapped civilians in what's soldiers there called the meat grinder. russia has paid dearly for tiny gains, pounding towns with russian-speaking majorities that have fled a russian blitzkrieg. millions took to the rail system and roads to escape the russian onslaught. now, more than 6. 8 million ukrainians are refugees outside of their countries. and of the 7 million, they are internally displaced. russia has been held back, but not driven out. >> is it drifting into stalemate? >> the worst scenario was behind us, left behind us. we are in a stage of stabilizing on the battlefield, the battle lines, with a small moving of the units. and we have made a lot of things to deter them.
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we are on the edge of the new stage, because we have to go forward to start our counter defensive. >> force might be the only way that ukraine would regain control of its borders. the journey to democracy, and into europe. and for putin, that might be victory enough. >> sam, i'm wondering if you could just talk a little bit about where the conflict is now, because we dont see the images when bucha was finally liberated, and yet the dying continues. someone described it as a meat grinder in the east, certainly months ago it was. what is the state of the battle
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now? >> anderson, the shift has been from the infantry engaging large columns of armor, to a much more conventional slugging it out battle, where the ukrainians are outnumbered in terms of guns, they say ten or 20 to 1. they have better equipment now, some better equipment. they are replacing the soviet era equipment with nato partners that have been standing multiple launch rocket systems, new howitzers, and so on. not the strategic weapons that they've asked for, not the fighter jets, not the helicopter gunships, not even the killer drones that they so desperately need to turn the tide back. the danger is that this slugging match, it's very much like a second world war series of frontlines, with efforts here and there to punch through the russians. frequently trying to devastate and flattened small towns just in order to take them.
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taking effectively capturing ashes in areas that they are claiming to liberate. it's not working for either side. the danger for the ukrainians is that this will become a stalemate, and that's why they're talking so much about the counter offensive, a recent american uplift in renewed supplies of weapons and rockets, and other equipment. that's definitely going to help. ukrainians say that they do need those extra nato weapons to allow them to get back on to the front line. one last, think they're shifting a little bit. we're seeing more covert behind the lines operations against the russians. i assume we'll see a lot more of those in the coming months. anderson? >> sam kiley, i appreciate you being here on this anniversary. four days into the invasion, with russian forces targeting residential neighborhoods in and around kyiv, we first met a mother and her three children sheltering in a basement. we'll get to know her over the last six months, as she saw her husband join up to defend the city. both of them, trying to keep
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their kids a normal existence, all while documenting it. here's a moment from our first interview. >> we in ukraine will do whatever is needed to protect our own land, it is our responsibility, our love. we are ukrainians, we are being killed by russians. you can be the next -- and it is obvious. let's stop putin. >> nearly six months later, it is a pleasure to speak to her. alina, it's great to see you, how are you? >> thank, you anderson, i'm fine. it's a pleasure to see you again. i'm fine, i'm a leave. my kids are alive, i'm talking to you from my home in kyiv, and the capital of ukraine. >> we are six months into the war, which as mentioned today,
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is ukrainian independence day. we are seeing increased russian strikes, civilian casualties, there's been a lot >> it was a really special day, because we really had concerns about probable strikes from russia. i expected even more basically, but we see that russia did not cause more deaths, simply because they could not. it means that russia became weaker than at the beginning of the war. i would think that the only reason why we did not have a massive shelling of kyiv it's because russia could not break through our air defense. >> are you optimistic it? are you more confident now than
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you were in the past? >> well, if you remember, i was always confident. when you are asking me when the russian tanks were moving to kyiv, when they were just ten minutes away from me, i told you that ukraine will win. and why prize we would face. it's still the same. i'm so confident that ukraine will win, and i still hope that we will see this. it would be a pleasure to see it with my own eyes how ukraine winds. they would be nice if this happens sooner, because every day russia kills people, it's not only today, it's every day. military, the people of ukraine, are killed by russians.
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>> i understand there were celebrations in kyiv, some included burned out russian tanks in one of the squares. did you go to any of those? did you see those? >> i would love to, but i'm always with my children. i think that i don't want them to see this with their own eyes yet. there are already quite traumatized with all of this. so i think it would be too much for them. >> i understand that not only is today ukrainian independence day, but for your youngest, it was also an independence day. >> yes. she made a special present because she walked for the first time. >> wow!
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>> by the way, it happens during an interview. she finally walked. she became independent, my little girl. >> it's amazing that on independence day, she walked. you couldn't write that. >> exactly. she showed how she did it. you remember when we talk for the first time when the war started, she was only four months old. she was always in my hands, and now she is sleeping in her bed. now she's walking. she grows. life goes on, you can't pause life, it goes on. >> how do things compare now in your life to the way they were even two months ago? >> i don't have any more extra
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fear all the time, when i am breathing, thursday all the time. the fear is not with me anymore. but we have kind of the illusion of normal life, back home, were not in the basement anymore. everything is available for us. but we know that the war goes on, and if the army steps fighting, the world step supporting us, we know that russia will come back here to kyiv. and of course, we all know that the russian missiles can reach any place in the ukraine. and so it is not safe anywhere in ukraine. this danger, it's always with us. we just know that if it happens at any moment, and you never know where exactly this russian missile can fall. >> elena, it is so good to see you, and your family is growing, i can't believe that your daughter has gained her independence on this day. i wish you the best. >> thank, you thank you for not asking me if i am leaving ukraine or not. many journalists asked me this question, and to know what i am thinking. why, six months after the war, still ukrainians are being
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asked, are you afraid? are you concerned? are you leaving ukraine? why is it still not putin who is afraid? we received so many compliments today about our bravery, so many courage of the people, and by the world. they seem to be so united about putin and what he is doing. but why is the war going on? if he was stronger than all of us. why is this still happening every day? >> thank you. >> thank you. >> much more ahead tonight, there is breaking news. the evolved a texas school board, voting just now to fire school police chief pete arredondo as his role in the chief incident commander in the tragedy. new reporting on just how back the federal government was trying to get documents from the former president, and even his former white house counsel agreed that they should be returned. new information ahead.
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the least you can do is show us the respect to do this in the public! >> joining me now in uvalde texas, cnn crime and justice correspondent shimon prokupecz. what is the reaction of family members in attendance now that arredondo has been fired? >> there is certainly relief, anderson, for many of the family members from many of the community members, many of the parents who are sending their kids back to school in just a few weeks here in uvalde. there is a sense of relief because nobody thought this would happen. there is so much frustration here. we are 90 days, three months after this happened, and we are still talking about the same kind of information. the fact that there is no transparency, there is no accountability. we have so many details, and so the fact that this happened today, perhaps starts to move things in a positive direction for many of the community members. and the family members, but certainly they all indicated that this is nowhere near done. they are unhappy with the school board, and the school system. they are going to go for more,
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here and they're going to go for other individuals at the school, and certainly the school board. >> it's so unbelievable, to your point that we don't know exactly what occurred on that day, that with the police response. there has been more details given, but there is still so many questions unanswered. before the board went into close session, to make their decision, there were public comments. i just want to play something else from a student. >> i am here today to make a statement. if a law enforcement job is to protect and serve, why didn't they protect and serve my friends and teachers on may 24th? [applause] i have messages for pete arredondo and the people that were there. turn in your badge and step up! >> can you describe what it was like in that auditorium? >> you know, you attend these school board meetings, it is sad. but you are also seeing family
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members that are starting to fight for themselves, and continuing to voice feelings over how they have been mistreated, how they have been disrespected, and sitting there time and time again, you see that. i've been to so many of these meetings, i've been to every meeting this week. there has been a meeting in the community with family members. on monday night, there's a school board meeting -- >> and you describe the 17-page letter that arredondo's lawyer sent before the meeting started? >> it is puzzling, anderson. it is hard to understand how there is a lack of compassion towards the community member here, reports the family members, where pete arredondo does not take any
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responsibility for his actions that day. in fact, do this letter, the statement that's attorney put out, basically defenceman self, entirely feels blameless, feels as though he did nothing wrong. they say no matter how much he tried, they cannot save them all. you talk about how the chief knew, had to say the children in school employees on may 24th. he talked about at one point, there is an antagonistic tone where the lawyer writes what's should the chiefs done, would the district have preferred a gun fight with officers from the whole way to break out again. he said that arredondo did everything right, that arredondo did everything he was supposed to do to try to save
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the children inside that costume, the children inside the school. and then, anderson, he talks about he does not feel safe, how arredondo does not feel safe to come and face the school board to defend himself. that is why he had to write the 17-page statement saying that he has received that bets and that he cannot carry his gun and, therefore, there is no way for him to feel safe, and that is why he cannot come to the school board and defend himself. this was a letter that essentially he rode defending himself, saying that he did nothing wrong and, basically saying that he wanted his job back. it lacks compassion.
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>> the answer to that attorney question in that document is, yeah, that is exactly what you >> the answer to that attorney question in that document is, yeah, that is exactly what you should've done. he should have rounded out the people he had with them and got into that room and taken out the gunmen. that is not me saying that, that is what any reputable law person will tell you in this country, and that has been standard procedure. i am sure even his lousy police force was trained in those methods, because that is standard procedure and has been now for more than a decade. >> right, and he tries to argue in the letter that any reasonable officer would do exactly the same thing. we know that is not true. >> that's not true. >> it's exactly what everyone who has been trained to deal with the situation tells me that this is not what you are supposed to do.
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this is not us saying it, this is not the family saying it, this is not people trying to, as he writes in this letter, that they want a villain. every law forsman official who is not the training, leading experts in the field, all say that what pete arredondo did on that day was wrong. >> yeah, and the little he did do, shimon prokupecz, appreciate the reporting. next, new reporting that the national archives wanted documents returned from the former president as far back as may of last year. more ahead. (game chime) (silence) (♪ ♪) real luxury, real thrill. feel the rush of performance at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. (♪ ♪)
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president biden today said he had no prior notice that the fbi search of mar-a-lago. i am quoting him now, none, zero, that one single bit. however, there is new reporting tonight at the washington post about just how much warning the former president had long before the search that the government wanted his documents back. just aussie shares a byline on the story called archives as for trump -- >> josh, can you walk us through your reporting. you reviewed a may 2021 email from trump lawyers to the national archive, what is the takeaway? >> the takeaway is that in may 2021, the top lawyer for the national archives reached out to three different lawyers for trump. here is what he said. he said that in the final days
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of the trump white house, he identified two dozen boxes of presidential material that had been in the residence in the white house residence, not in the oval office but in the residence. and that pat cipollone according to the white house lawyer, according to the archives lawyer, pat cipollone, the white house lawyer, wanted the material returned. they asked repeatedly for the material to be returned and a ad not been returned. they asked again in may 2021, please return to material, in fact, they were almost begging. they set besides the boxes, they noticed several other high-profile items that had not been returned. former president trump correspondence with kim jong-un, the north korean dictator. his correspondence with former president obama had not been returned, even though they discussed a return for that. it really needed all these things back. wihat that shows is that long before the raid happened on mar-a-lago, the national archives and former president trump's lawyers were concerned
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that he had not given the materials back that he was supposed to return. >> just to be clear, based on the reporting, white house counsel pat cipollone and the national archives were both in agreement that records kept in the white house residence were supposed to be turned over, but they weren't, is that correct? >> according to the email that we reviewed, the top lawyer for the national archives set that pat cipollone had issued a determination saying that the records in the white house residence should be returned during the final days of the administration. when he reached out to cipollone, a spokesperson for the lawyer declined to comment, so we don't know his side of the story, but we know according to that written record from the top lawyer at the national archives, pat cipollone had agreed that those boxes should be returned to the government before former president trump -- >> is a clear why they were not turned over? >> it is not. that has been one of the lasting mysteries of this entire ordeal is trying to
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figure out why former president trump wanted to keep all these materials. he told some confidence that the materials were his and did not belong to the government and that he rightly desert possession of them. other folks say some of the records that he wanted to show, they wanted to file to friends and club members. we don't know precisely at this point why he kept all the materials, but we do know among his advisers, his lawyers, there is a quizzical notion of even after all these efforts to get them back, why did he not give them back? >> what is remarkable about the story is that it is just another example and a early example of the national archives asking for records to be turned over. clearly, the former president and his representatives had multiple opportunities to cooperate with the government, and had action by the justice department and fbi. >> anderson, what this shows is that actually before former president trump even left office there in the final days of his presidency, that is when the first request from the archives came in to please get the boxes back.
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we did not know that before, that they have gotten involved so early, and they were repeatedly involved throughout the spring of 2021, and that former president trump's lawyers knew about these extensive efforts, and were involved in these as well to get the documents back. these emails showed that long before the bubble into the public room before the public understood what was going on, more than a year before, there was efforts to get all of these things back to the national archives. >> it also paints a picture of how directly, again, it would scene and correct me if i'm wrong, how directly the former president was involved in decisions about what documents to keep and where he wanted to keep them. the kim jong-un letter, these things that he brought up to the residents, he was holding on to. >> right, we in the new york times have both reported that the former president himself was involved in the packing and deciding of what went with him
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and what's stayed in mar-a-lago, after he agreed to give certain things back. a lot of the other advisers around him did not want to be involved in the backing, because they didn't have classification at the ready, it did not know what was taken, and it was a messy situation by all accounts. what we have been able to determine is at the former president himself took the lead on this process, on moving stuff to the residents and taken steps to mar-a-lago and then deciding a year later or so what would eventually be returned to the national archives, even though he did not return everything they believed to be theirs. >> jeff dawsey at the washington post, appreciate it. >> thank you. the democrats seemingly more optimistic about the midterms of the key win in last night's primary. is the momentum on their side or republicans, we will tell you after the break. when we started carvana, they told us selling cars 100% online wouldn't work. but we went to work. building an experience that lets you shop over
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>> you mentioned last night special election night in new york's 19th district, which is a district that biden won by a point and a half. all the sudden, you see the democrat there pat ryan winning by two points. it is not the only special election last night. there's also a special election
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in new york sprinter district. yes, the republican candidate won their, but only by a district that battle trump won by 11. if you look at the four special elections that took place since roe v. wade is overturned, the democrats in them have been a performing biden's baseline by an average of four points, compare that to the special elections that took place before roe v. wade is overturned, republicans were a
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performing their baseline by six points. essentially, what we are seeing is a massive divide between the pre roe era and the post-roe being overturned era, with democrats with clear momentum. >> then, democrat pat ryan ran with pro-choice message. will that translate to other races? >> i think so. listen, we are happy. it feels good. we had the season of shame where democrats are so disappointed and frustrated about what is going on in d. c.. this myth by republicans. we have gone from disappointed to determine because biden is winning and also you now see people feeling like, look the republicans have been doing terrible stuff when it comes to general six, excusing the
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inexcusable, and women are standing up across the country. i think right now with the economy being terrible, you expect republicans to be crushing everywhere, and they are not. they are not crushing us everywhere. >> traditionally, in polls, exit polls, voters who you could say are concerned about abortion on one side or not offered a bit, that is not the top issue that is driving them to the polls. >> i think that is because up until now, you had the supreme court there in the garbage can. i think people are looking down the barrel of why if republicans give more power, will they do. i just think for a while, the normal thing you would expect a country going in the wrong direction, that will only help republicans. what is happening is that people are looking at the republican saying that it is going in the wrong direction because republicans are doing
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a lot of criticism tonight directed at the campaign for parts of venice senate candidate mehmet oz, this time about an attack on the health of his opponent, democrat john fetterman, who recently returned to the campaign trail. the new controversy came shortly after us faced intense backlash over a video involving crudités's that one viral for all the wrong reasons. it is also raising serious questions about that ermineskin. cnn national politics reporter eva mckend has the story. >> from erie, to pittsburgh -- >> steel workers -- >> pennsylvania democratic senator candidate john fetterman back on the campaign trail more than three months after suffering a stroke. >> if i am your next senator to washington d. c., guess what, you will still have a senator that will be living across the street from your steel plant. >> rally members of the united steel workers tuesday,
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fetterman was on message but often halting in his speech and occasionally dropped wordsmiths ants. >> being anti union is anti-american. what is wrong for demanding four an easy, safe kind their income, a path to a safe place for them to win. excuse me, to work. >> fetterman declined to answer questions from cnn and other reporters at the event. a campaign spokesperson told cnn that fetterman is doing really well, walking 5 to 6 miles a day and following doctors orders. they did not say when the public will receive a status update from his physician about his condition. instead, pointing to a june letter from his doctor that said fetterman would return in six months for a checkup and
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noting a july interview with the pittsburgh post-gazette, where the 53-year-old said he had nothing to hide, while acknowledging he at times struggles with hearing, may miss a word or similar words together. >> it is one of the most common symptoms of a stroke, this third speech does not always indicate a problem with language processing. sometimes, it's simply a processing problem with transmission. >> it may, doctors attached a pacemaker with a deliberate or to his heart to treat is -- a heart disease that makes it difficult for his heart to pump blood to the body. and that's in july interview with the post gazette, he said he is working with a speech therapist. betterment of has a merge with the line from attack from his rivals, celebrity doctor mehmet oz.
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>> since releasing this video and highlighting courses nor prices -- >> $6? >> as has come under withering criticism, being out of touch, but now he is trying to turn the tables, releasing a statement on tuesday that set, if john fetterman had ever inevitable in his life, then maybe he would not have had a major stroke. >> fetterman responding, i know politics can be nasty, but even then, i could never imagine ridiculing someone for their health challenges. fetterman supporters at the union rally downplaying concerns over his health. >> i think that he's back fairly quick from it, to be honest with you. >> i think if there was a bigger issue than what it is, he would absolutely be more -- a key question now is when we will see the candidates debate. as making this a central issue. fetterman's camp and told me that fetterman is ready to debate us but has not committed to a date as of yet, anderson? >> you've heard eva mckend, appreciate it, thank you. still to come, listen, what is
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