and much of that is because of the migrants that we have seen arrive here in new york city. that's really what's fueling this call for the federal government to help expand the shelter system. they know many more are coming. 460 migrants arriving here in the heart of manhattan at port authority just in the last 48 hours. >> polo, thank you for bringing us that story. thank you all so much for being with us tonight. "a.c. 360" starts now. good evening. at any moment tonight the justice department could release a redacted version of the affidavit making the government's case for searching mar-a-lago. they have until noon tomorrow to do it. the former president, as you know, had pushed for the unredacted version to come out. his spokesman recently justifying it based on, in his words, the democrats pench anxiety for using redactions to hide government corruption just like they did with the russia hoax. the department of justice does not want to make public that could jeopardize this or any

potential future case, plus put investigators in jeopardy or expose potential witnesses to pressure. there's also the long standing practice at the justice department to not say anything about pending cases, especially ones as politically sensitive as this. that said, as the judge in the case recognized, there's public interest involved here. cnn's jessica schneider starts us off. do we know why exactly the judge decided to release this? >> we don't know for sure, anderson, but it's possible that the doj may have given a little more than they originally thought they could. the judge moved really swiftly today. it was less than four hours after he received prosecutors' proposed redactions that he ruled that what they proposed would in fact be sufficient and should be released to the public by noon tomorrow. the reason it's interesting that this judge came to such a quick conclusion is that when doj argued in court last week, they said that any redactions could be so extensive that it would make the entire affidavit completely devoid of content in their words. when they said that, the judge

pushed back and he argued, look, there must be something that you can release. so it does seem that maybe doj has come up with a version obviously that's satisfying to the judge, even though of course huge portions of this are likely to be blacked out, anderson. >> what parts can we expect to be redacted? >> yeah, so we likely won't see any information that relates to the investigation itself, because of course we know it's a criminal investigation, still ongoing into these classified documents. nothing at all about the witnesses who have talked with investigators and nothing that will remotely jeopardize the work doj has been doing. and the judge really agreed to all of this, the need for it all to be blacked out, because he wrote this. he said i find that the government has met its burden of showing a compelling reason, good cause, to seal portions of the affidavit because disclosure would reveal, one, the identities of witnesses, law enforcement agents and uncharged parties, two, the direction strategy, scope, sources and

methods, and three, grand jury information protected by federal rule of criminal procedure 6 e. so all of that will certainly be blacked out. what we see tomorrow maybe could provide some procedural details, nothing substantial, but some details procedurally about why the search at mar-a-lago happened. so there could be some tidbits in there that broaden the public's knowledge since the goal was to make at least some information, put it out there in the public. so we'll see what we get. now former nixon white house counsel john dean, federal judge nancy gertner, also with us tonight senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. judge gertner, were you surprised the judge made this call to release the redacted affidavit? >> i was. i was very surprised. the only thing that i think your reporter had it right, that it must be that the government showed that it can disclose something without sort of

unpacking the entire investigation. the other thing is that between the time of the search on the 8th until now, a lot has come out about the timeline, about the efforts to get this material and the intrance jens on trump's part. so there may be public facts that they can happily disclose without jeopardizing the kinds of issues that she described. so maybe once he saw that it was possible and they saw that it was possible, he was prepared to do it. >> andrew, we mentioned the judge ruled the identities of witnesses, law enforcement the investigation strategy should remain under seal. what do you expect will be revealed in the redacted version. >> well, anderson, the devil is in the details. the fbi will be looking very closely at that category specifically in the protection of witnesses and people who provided information. so if doj was thorough and

complete in completely redacting any information that could lead to those identities being revealed, then the fbi will probably be satisfied. i suspect that judge gertner is absolutely right. doj took the tact of releasing as much information as they possibly could, those facts that are already well known. other facts that have been revealed and confirmed by governmental agencies in the last week or so with the correspondents from nara that we've seen aired out in the press. so essentially what we're going to be able to read is things that we already know. >> john, do you think the redacted version of the affidavit will reveal many new details? >> i think it could. i think that seems to be what took the judge over to the side of releasing this material. that was his inclination. he wanted to see a strong case by justice as to why not and he didn't get that. they obviously did come forward. but i can't imagine that trump is going to be happy with this

document given the fact it was an advocacy document written to persuade the judge to find probable cause to undertake a search. that isn't a document that's going to put a lot of pluses in for donald trump. to the exact opposite. so i think he's going to be very unhappy with what he finds and what comes out and it will not be good for donald trump. >> judge gertner, does it make sense to you from a legal standpoint that the former president's legal team didn't take an official position in court on whether the affidavit should be released? they said a lot of stuff on tv, but in court they were silent. >> because -- because he doesn't wanting -- because he's deeply ambivalent. if he came out in court and said i align myself with the press that wants this stuff released, if he were then charged, he would have a very difficult time saying that the release of this information is what prejudiced him when in fact he was the architect of that release.

so he's playing both games at the same time. that's what he's doing. >> andrew, according to the department of justice, the investigation is still in its early stages. what would the fbi's role be in the probe right now? what is the division of labor essentially between the bureau and the department of justice? who's ultimately driving the train? >> sure. so you have really two very separate but tied together efforts going on here, anderson. so the one thing is the investigation of the possible crimes that were laid out in the search warrant. so violations of the espionage act and obstruction of justice and things like that. so you've got agents looking very closely at what trump officials said and did in this course of conduct over the last year and a half in retaining the documents. at the same time, you have counterintelligence agents that are looking very closely at the material itself, trying to come up with a damage assessment, essentially to be able to say

how much have we possibly lost in terms of this very sensitive, most classified information. they're looking at the surveillance videos from the area around the basement where the documents are stored, they're trying to identify everyone who comes up on those videos, they're interviewing those people, so it's two very complicated and labor intensive efforts under way at the same time. >> john, do you think heavy redactions create more confusion? i read one former prosecutor describe it as a potential rorschach test and people read into it what they want to see in those black boxes. >> that's a good metaphor because that's exactly what will happen. i guarantee you the trump supporters and trump himself will find lots of reasons to complain about all that black space. they'll go on endlessly about how things are dark conspiracies are going on and this is evidence of it. of course it's not. but that's what they will argue. and no one can refute it until the rest of the document is

released, if and when that ever happens. >> it will be like wordle, we'll all figure out how many letters can fit into a certain space. judge gertner, is there any scenario where the release of the affidavit could complicate things if it got to the case of charges and trial? >> sure. we have to step back to some degree. the espionage statute includes people who have disseminated information, not just people who have collected defense information. and it's a very broad statute, deals with unlawful transfer, unlawful destruction, and unlawful retention. so it's possible -- and so it's possible that they would conclude if it's a mere unlawful retention that they did not want to charge anyone, right? that's always possible, that it was just a whoops. now, we've talked about this before, it looks a little bit different than a whoops given the steps that the president took, the former president took to keep the stuff in hand. but the danger here is if anyone

is mentioned in that affidavit quite afar from the former president who then is not charged. that's the whole concern here. this is an investigative document, an affidavit, not a charging document. and presumably at the conclusion of the investigation, they may say, well, we're going after you or you, but not you. and what the release of this information could do is to hurt the people who aren't charged and then, you know, have serious impact on any prosecution going forward. particularly given a president who hasn't -- you know, who seems to have no problem calling people or, you know, threatening people. >> andrew, logistically, how does it work? if this is an ongoing investigation and theoretically in an ongoing investigation the fbi would be contacting people, conducting interviews, given all the drama surrounding the search, would that have just for -- i mean i don't know if it's political reasons or any

reasons, would people in the fbi be just like let's put everything on hold while the furor dies down or how does that work? >> no, i don't suspect that the people in the fbi will put it on hold. they'll take the steps that the department of justice authorizes them to take and move forward with this, despite the political furor around it and the kind of impassioned views on both sides. the bigger problem, anderson, is the drama and the attention on this, specifically around the revelation potentially of information from the affidavit. it could have a chilling effect on people's desire to get involved in the investigation. so the next time the bureau goes out and knocks on someone's door, having seen all of this played out in the media and fought over in the course of these motions, it's much less likely that people will be willing to just sit down and talk to fbi agents and share the information that they know and that will slow them down and

impede the investigation. >> andrew mccabe, judge gertner, appreciate it. john dean as well. we have a long-running conflict in the president's inner circle on how to handle the mess and he is reportedly concerned about it. cnn's kristen holmes shares the byline and joins us now. what were you learning about how the former president and his inner circle are handling all of this? >> anderson, trump is steering this ship. it's clear that he wants this to be a political battle and not a legal one. but allies that we've talked to are growing concerned over this strategy as well as the competence of trump's legal team, particularly as many of them have come to believe that trump could be in real legal jeopardy. now, this concern over trump's legal team started almost immediately after the search. sources pointing to an exchange between a fox tv host, who is a trump ally, and one of trump's attorneys, christina bobb, in which this trump ally grilled bobb over the legal strategy. it seemed as though bobb did not have a lot of real answers.

just a reminder here, bobb is a former tv host herself at one america news, the right-wing pro-trump network. she has become the face of this legal team mainly from speaking on conservative media and propagating these conspiracy theories. the other red flag that a lot of these allies raised to us was the fact that the legal team did not put anything forward in the way of motions for two weeks. once they did it was riddled with legal errors and widely criticized by both sides of the aisle, legal experts. it read like a political document. this is coming at a time where we're hearing from a lot of people close to trump who believe he could be in legal jeopardy. >> wait a minute, i should have known this, but one of his attorneys, the one who's been on tv a lot, she comes from oan? that's where he found her? >> that's right, yep. she is -- >> wow. >> -- one of several people who used to work at oan who now

works for donald trump. she is the one who you have seen consistently on conservative news networks talking about this. she's also the one who when she was at oan was a big propagator of the big lie, talking about rudy giuliani promoting those things during the election. >> i don't know why i'm surprised, but it just stuns me that the former president of the united states in his inner circle of attorneys as he is facing what seems to be a pretty serious thing is relying on a former oan personage. that's news to me. did not know that. kristen holmes, appreciate it, thank you. stay with us, i want to bring in kaitlin collins who has been a lot of reporting about the form president and his associates. so how does it line up, what kristen is saying about the dissidence within the circle, how does that line up with your understanding of what's going on around the president? >> first of all, it's funny that you're laughing -- or you're surprised that he -- >> i'm not laughing. i'm filled with i don't know

what. >> this is the trump way. john eastman, the attorney at the center of trying to pressure vice president mike pence to overturn the results of the election, trump found him because he was talking about the russia investigation on fox news. so it's not a huge surprise. this is often how trump brings people into his inner circle because he sees them talking about him on tv, boosting him, defending him, and he likes him. john eastman ended up in the oval office and now christina bobb is the public face -- >> maybe she's a great attorney. everybody deserves great attorneys. >> kristen is reporting there are a lot of people in trump' inner circle that are worried. he does have two other attorneys who are working behind the scenes and are not publicly on television, but trump likes to have people on tv defending him, not just in court. both of them are almost equal in importance. >> is it important that he picked an attorney named trustee? he always liked his generals to

look a certain way. >> i think he knows jim trusty from being in washington and from other recommendations that he got. >> he's being described as one of the most experienced attorneys that the former president has around him. >> same with evan corcoran, he also defended bannon. so when bannon would come out of the courthouse and talk, you'd see evan corcoran behind him. i think there's some questioning about the legal team and the strategy here. one thing that surprised me, they haven't added anyone to the legal team in the sense of what we had been expecting. they had been searching for them in the days right after the search happened because they felt like they needed someone who understood florida law given so much of this is happening there. obviously his former house is there. they have yet to add a high-powered attorney, a big name from florida yet. i think it's in part because there is a mistrust of attorneys who are sought out to work for trump given he often dismisses them. remember, he got rid of all his legal team before his second impeachment happened. he often doesn't pay them is a

complaint you've seen from some of them. but this is a case where if you work for a really high-powered law firm, you have to check off with everyone else before you go work in a case as politically sensitive as this one. so i do think the legal strategy will be something to watch the next several weeks. >> even the document they put to the court, the judge kind of went back with them and said, look, you need to -- here's what you actually need to put in a document like that. it didn't seem like it was really a strong legal document. it may have had political implications or that may have been the plan. >> it read a lot like his twitter feed did. and it was making a legal argument, but there's a reason that they go back tomorrow and clarify. they didn't ask for any action beyond. they wanted the special master but didn't put a timeline. typically you'd say we want an emergency injunction on this action a pause on this, this done by this date. when it comes to the question of whether or not they have pursued the right strategy the others want, they didn't file it before

the judge who is the one that's involved in the affidavit, the one that's involved in signing off on what this looks like. they filed it in front of a different judge. that also raised some questions. so we'll see how it plays out. they feel like the affidavit will actually benefit them and show that the justice department has overreached. i do think when the redactions, it could be read a certain way and so people should be cautious of reading it, of reading too much into what they want to read into it but it could reveal some things about the timeline that could be interesting. >> kristen, you're reporting that the former president's relationship with kim jong-un. >> this is really fascinating. during this time frame in which the national archives was negotiating with trump's representatives, a senior official from the national archives reached out to trump's attorneys, scott gast, who was appointed to be the liaison with the archives, and in this email it's almost surreal to read because they're talking about how they're going to get these documents back from mar-a-lago to the national archives.

again, we're talking about correspondence between two world leaders. and in the email, they're talking about how they're going to get it shipped fedex overnight. he's saying can you please make sure that you give me the codes, we have staff to meet them on the other end of this. so a surreal moment as we're seeing this negotiation between the two. it is important to note that they never sent the letters. the letters weren't obtained for another seven months when the archives picked up those 15 boxes. but just insight into what was going on in these negotiations. >> and these are the letters that the former president liked to show to visitors in the oval office, like hey, look at this letter from kim jong-un, the love letters that he called them. again, the unceisealing of the affidavit could come at any moment so we'll keep a close eye on that. next a cnnk-file. what they said comparing 2020 to 9/11 and that's not all. later, how recent primaries and the supreme court's abortion

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tonight a cnn exclusive. a trend of republican candidates running to oversee elections in their state who believe the 2020 presidential election was illegitimate. another trend is how many of them won their primaries. at least 11 republican nominees who disputed the legitimacy of the 2020 election. andrew has uncovered some especially strong statements from one of them in minnesota and he joins us now. so what have you uncovered? >> so kimberly crockett is an attorney and political activist who is running for secretary of state in minnesota. she doesn't believe the election in 2020 was legitimate. she has called democrats cheats. she said the 2020 election was rigged. she calls it the big rig. she doesn't believe the post

office should be allowed to handle ballots which is an extreme position. >> what's wrong with the post office? >> well, she says that the post office is union endorsed democrats in general so she doesn't think they should be allowed to handle ballots. we're talking millions of ballots every year. and one thing in particular she's been pretty vocal against is democratic attempts to make it easier to vote in the last couple of years. we've seen republicans in a lot of states trying to tighten things up, cut back on early voting, things like that. in one instance that we were listening to, we invoked the september 11th terrorist attacks when talking about the subject. we have a clip of that. >> let's play it. >> i really appreciate all you do being on the front lines of this and helping organize this and helping people get the information about these things. >> well, a good friend at the

american majority and alpha news have just done an amazing job pulling it together. we realize people are discouraged. and this is still an exceptional nation. we are still the american people and i'm betting on us. this is a challenge. maybe we needed a wake-up call. this is our 9/11. >> wow. so we reached out to her campaign about this on tuesday. they asked us for more time to look over all these comments. they didn't actually get back to us with very much. she defended calling the election rigged. she -- they did not address any of the various things in our story. what she did say was we weren't focused on the issues, even though all of this is about voting rights, which is what the secretary of state does. and she said basically that the media was intent on character assassination. >> what's so ignorant about her

statement is our 9/11 is our 9/11. like 9/11 is her 9/11. the idea is like our 9/11, that's as if it happened in some other country, it makes no sense. >> it makes no sense. that was what really weird. wouldn't 9/11 be also your 9/11? so that was -- >> i understand she's made some pretty startling comments about president biden as well? >> she obviously doesn't like biden, but she actually thinks that the progressive movement wing of the democratic party is worse. we can take a listen to this in a second here. she thinks biden is actually expendable to these people and they're going to possibly get rid of him when the time is right. >> let's play this. >> after you and drive you out because you are not progressive enough. joe biden is not progressive enough for that wing of the party, and that's your rift. that's where you target. >> right. they're just going to put a

pillow over his face when they get tired of him. >> whoa. >> oh, go quietly, joe. >> wow. >> and an article on cnn.com, we barely covered her comments here. you can read it and you can see some of the other comments she's made, both about voting rights and about democrats. >> it's so interesting when a soft spoken lady who, you know, you might think, oh, she's the person who you meet in the grocery store and she seems so nice is talking about the president being smothered with a pillow. >> yeah. i'm midwestern and from ohio. we're generally, i would say, nice, mild mannered people usually. still ahead, more on the nation's political divide and the role the media plays in stoking division. i'm talk to a fox editor who was at the center of one of the biggest election calls that was controversial on the far right after fox news called arizona for president biden during the 2020 election.

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as we mentioned before the blake, there are 11 election deniers running to oversee elections in their states, one of them being minnesota's kim crockett. as you just heard she told a radio interviewer last year the election and fight for election integrity was for election deniers our 9/11, comparing

election reform and a free, fair election to a terror attack. it's not just minnesota. in fact arizona appears to be the epicenter for republican candidates up and down the ticket who embraced the former president's conspiracy theories. my next guest was at the center of one of the biggest calls on election night. he was responsible for the network being the first to call the state for biden correctly. something that became very controversial on the far right. he also recently testified before the january 6th committee. his new book "broken news, why the media rage machine divides america and how to fight back" and dives into how polarizing media plays an influence. >> the reality is the shortest distance between a news organization and profits is anger, fear, hatred. we have to earn and deserve the privileges that we enjoy, the freedoms that we enjoy as journalists. if the work that we're doing is not good for the country, if the

work that we're doing does not help us to realize the objectives of the founding and the hopes of the people of this country is wrong. >> and joining me now is chris stirewalt. it's not just minnesota, there are election deniers on the ballot in arizona, michigan, indiana, the list goes on. how concerned are you given what you've seen that the people who are hoping to run elections in so many states are some of the same people saying the last election was fraudulent. >> well, the arizona republican party has really fallen on some hard times. and just as a good example of this, doug ducey, the very popular, very successful two-term governor there, in a more normal republican party we'd be talking about what kind of presidential campaign would be coming up or he would have been drafted to run for the senate in that state. instead, some real hard-liners with some really, really extreme views on this stuff have gone

into place. the problem is, and ike think s is something democrats bear in mind when they think about the candidates they helped, doug mastriano, for example, his opponents spent many fold more money on his campaign to boost mastriano to get a kook through the primary than he spent on his own campaign. right now it's a better year for democrats than before. it's still not a good year for democrats, but the tide has turned a little bit. if that were to shift, you could see these really, really extreme people taking over key positions in swing states which would put them there in 2024. >> cnn and a lot of other organizations have been polling on the issue, as you know, since the 2020 presidential election poll. poll after poll you see anywhere from 50% to 70% of republicans who believe the election was stolen from the former president. the main reason seems to be simply because he tells them it was stolen despite no evidence and despite all the evidence to the contrary. do you think there is anything

that can be said or shown to those people at this point to change their minds? >> well, look, there are -- i think you have to devoiivide th group out a little bit. it's a danger. i have sincere sorrow for the people who are truly duped, right? there are people who are truly, truly duped and they have been snoogerred. there's a lot of cynical republicans and grifters on the right who took advantage of those people and have taken them for a well amount of money. then there is this other group. these are the folks who resent being told again and again about this. they don't like hearing about it. they don't like hearing from me. they didn't like it when the team that i was part of called arizona. they don't like it and they're resentful of it. those people with the persuade -- those are persuadable people. those people have to be made to understand about two things. number one, their duty to the republic and the system. but number two, that if they keep up like this, their party is going to be relegated to

sideline status and kook status and will not be competitive in states where it should be competitive. >> to you, what does the republican primary in 2024 look like if the former president does indeed run again? i personally for some reason feel like he's not going to. i don't base that on anything, it's just a feeling. but all the evidence is to the contrary. do you think he'll walk away with it or do you think someone like desantis or hawley or cruz could give him a fight or would even try? >> i don't know about ted cruz. josh hawley is thirsty enough to give it a shot. desantis is formidable. here's the thing about trump this time versus last time. it doesn't matter if trump has declared or not declared. he is the front-runner for the republican nomination in 2024. until he says otherwise, until he says i'm definitely not running, let's just assume that he is, right? if it walks like a candidate and quacks like a candidate, it's probably a requested.

tr candidate. trump is in a different position and darn well in a different situation than 2016. in 2016 trump didn't carry the kind of baggage that he does now. he could change his mind, change his tune from dade to day. this time he's like a little maga jeb bush. he's got a lot of baggage he's got to drag around. all these candidates to endorse and inventory to move so he doesn't have the flexibility. the other thing and i think it's most significant and this is what i was talking about in my book. he's not that entertaining 234 anymore. in 2016 you couldn't help but watch donald trump as he simulated attempted murder on stage in fort dodge, iowa. that was hard not to watch. now i think we've seen most of the inventory. >> he's now the boring guy at the bar, he doesn't drink allegedly, but who seems drunk and just keeps talking about the same stuff over and over again and no one wants to listen to it. >> i think there are a lot of republicans that didn't like the search warrant at mar-a-lago,

don't like when people pick on trump, don't like that stuff, but also don't want him to run again because they know that he is -- that the country if faced with a biden versus trump again, that they might make -- that they would more likely make the same decision again and trump is a liability. he's -- the trumps are turning into the clintons for the democratic party. they can't shake them and there's enough of a core constituency there that they drag him around and it could be a decades-long problem for republicans, depending on how it goes. >> chris stirewalt. the book, i've just started it, it's really good. i look forward to talking to you more about it because i think it's such an important topic. thanks for being with us. >> thanks so much. there's potentially a significant new development just in right now in the georgia 2020 election criminal investigation, specifically who the prosecutor now wants to go before the grand jury. evan perez has the story and joins us now. what are you learning, evan?

anderson, the district attorney is calling on mark meadows to appear before the special grand jury that is investigating the efforts to overturn the georgia election results in 2020. obviously this is a significant move by the d.a. meadows was very, very central to the former president's efforts to try to organize efforts to remain in power with fake electors, to try to get states to overturn their election results. you know, a part of what she says here is that he is a significant witness to the efforts by donald trump to overturn those election results. she is calling for him to testify on september 27th. you know, obviously meadows was involved, he talked to members of the georgia legislature. he was on the phone when the former president was pressuring the secretary of state there in georgia to find the exact number of votes in order to overturn

joe biden's victory in georgia. we know he also was pressuring the justice department, anderson, to say that there was significant fraud in georgia, even though of course the justice department had no evidence of that. we also know according to politico that a couple of other important people who were involved in this effort have also been called to testify as significant witnesses before the special grand jury. one of them is sidney powell, who was one of the president's lawyers involved in this whole scheme and the form army colonel james phil waldron is also being called to testify but meadows is the big name. he was the chief of staff of the former president and central to those efforts by the former president to try to find a way to remain in power. >> yeah. that information just into cnn. evan perez, thanks so much. up next, last hour president biden gave some of his sharpest critiques of the republican party suggesting they have gone too far, predicting the end of extreme maga philosophy. we'll have details on what he said ahead.

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from the time you had a job is on the ballot. the safety of your kids from gun violence is on the ballot. and it's not hyperbole, the very survival of our planet is on the ballot. your right to vote is on the ballot. even the democracy. are you ready to fight for these things now? >> prior to his speech, he spoke with a group of democratic donors and told them they were seeing, quote, either the beginning or the death knell of an extreme maga philosophy. almost immediately he said that entire philosophy, and i'm quoting the president here, it's like semi fascism. this comes as the democrats believe they have regained some momentum thanks to some legislative victories, the supreme court's ruling on abortion and a win in a key congressional race. joining me now is james carville. he was also the chief strategist for probablesident clinton's 19

campaign. what do you make of the idea their legislative victory, the overturning the roe v. wade puts democrats in a much better midterm position right now. that is true? >> that's undeniably true. we've had elections in nebraska, kansas, and the new york 23rd was just as impressive as new york 19. now, how much does this -- you've seen an uptick in the polling for democrats. undoubtedly we were in better shape than we were june the 15th. whether that stays, i don't know. i'm hoping it does. i'm like a lot of people, i thought we were pretty close to being out of this thing in the early summer and now we're very much in the middle of it. >> it's crazy how quickly things to turn around or shift direction, which obviously means they could shift the other way again -- >> sure. >> -- given the time before the election. if you were running point right now how would you try to keep momentum going?

>> i'd talk about the extremism. it just isn't the dobbs case, it was extremism on the gun case, it was extremism on the climate case. you have all these candidates making these extreme statements. and i think president biden was on to something there. and the republicans no longer have the benefit of the doubt. people say, gee, they did this. they'll really do something else. and he's right about social security. rick scott talks about sunsetting social security. head of the republican senate committee. ron johnson spoke favorably about it. so these are issues that we thought that people wouldn't touch, but they're touching them now and we've got to be sure that they pay a price for them. >> as you said, the abortion issue seems to be energizing democratic voters. there's been a surge of voter registration among women and the search at mar-a-lago firing up a segment of the republican base. do democrats risk getting overconfident? if you look at exit polls from elections past, abortion has not

been up in the top echelon of what issues people vote on. >> i worry my old bald head about a lot of things. democratic overconfidence is not one of them. every time -- no, i don't think we have anything to be overconfident about. but i do think compared to a few months ago, we do have something to feel better about. there's a long way to go. there's a lot of football between now and, you know, early november. >> there's also the historical precedent that the party in power usually loses seats in the midterm. >> right. absolutely. >> president biden himself has low approval ratings. >> he does. but somehow it's untied. i saw gallup says it's as high as he's been in the last year, thank god. i think he deserves it. i don't know, it's kind of weird because president biden's

approval hasn't figured into some of these recent elections that we've seen around the country. i was pretty gratified to see what happened in new york state. i thought maybe it's a midwest phenomena but apparently it's not. there is a lot of energy and people don't like to have rights taken away from them. >> what do you think about the student loan forgiveness plan? chuck schumer and elizabeth warren are celebrating the plan. more moderate democrats running the midwest are trying to distance themselves from it. i mean an historic move like that, is it worth the political gamble? >> he promised that he'd do something during the campaign. he won by 7 million votes. i mean it's not like just heading -- he hasn't talked about it, he hadn't discussed it and promised that he'd do something. you know, it's a complicated issue, but i think it's highly targeted from what i can read. i'm not an expert on this. a large portion of it will go to people who really need it, who are strapped with this debt and hopefully give them a little relief. i hope it works. >> james carville, i appreciate it. you and your bald head. >> thank you, sir.

not too worried about democratic overconfidence. >> it's always good to talk to you. >> thank you, anderson. last week gary tuchman introduced us to some of the migrants that have ridden those free buses out of texas that have angered democratic officials in new york and d.c. he caught up with some of them again to hear how they are doing now. a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose.

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new york officials say a record number of asylum seekers arrived by bus from texas on wednesday, at least 237 compared to just 13 on the first bus about three weeks ago. the controversial program was done by texas' governor as a public dig at president biden's policies. texas is forcing migrants on buses. texas officials say, no, it's voluntary. gary tuchman decided to talk to the people who were on the buses. he spoke with some of the migrant about why they were here

and learned they were more than happy to get on one of the buss to the northeast. we asked gary to stay on the story. so, he caught up with some of the same people a week later. here's what he found. >> reporter: mostly venezuelan migrants in the jungle in panama. the man behind the child is juan. he's trying to get to america with his brother and a cousin. we met that brother and cousin last week eight shelter on the border, where luis had just received the horrible news that his brother's body had been recovered in the rio grande river. juan had drowned in the final two minutes of their journey while they were swimming across the river to texas. one week later, after a tragic and traumatizing trip, they are living in chicago, where they hope to start a new life minus the poverty and violence they experienced in venezuela. until a short time ago, they had never been out of south america.

luis says chicago is very pretty, very peaceful, very beautiful. both cousins took a 42-hour ride on one of the buses provided by texas' governor who wants migrants to go elsewhere. they rode from ecopass to ash w washington, d.c. luis says his brother's legacy is honored by them now being in america. he says, his sacrifices were not in vain. he's here with us. even though he didn't have a cape, he was a super hero. he has two brothers who are already here in the u.s. and have part-time jobs. they were able to get them shelter in a small apartment that is shared with others. the two men have wives and children in wednvenezuela, whomy hope to be able to bring here someday. do you have any money? [ speaking non-english ] >> no.

>> reporter: they both surrendered to border patrol when they arrived and received documentation that declared they had been paroled into the united states and are required to attend court in two weeks. they both say they will. we followed them, as they went to a mexican restaurant close to their apartment asking the owner about the possibility of working there. the restaurant owner saying, we don't have anything now. give me your names and telephone numbers, and i will let you know when we do. but the owner, whose father immigrated from mexico, knows she can't legally employee them without their work permit, which you can't get unless you've had your asylum approved by a judge. >> i can't at the moment. >> reporter: so for now, they will share one bedroom and two mattresses with three other men and hope that one day they and their families back in venezuela all become americans. when i tell them that many

americans are very critical that so many multiply kbrants are allowed into this country, he says, i think everyone has their own judgment. we are all different people, different cultures, and gn nationalities. but we are not all bad people. most of us are good. and they say no one was better than juan, whose example they will try to follow every day they're in america. >> sadly, anderson, juan's body is still in texas at a funeral home. the family wants his body sent to venezuela. it's very expensive and they don't have money. the family here is talking to migrant advocates in chicago trying to get tips on how to make that happen. family members who have been here for a couple years are trying to work more hours to make more money and they're trying to raise money. juan has left behind two small children in venezuela. >> we'll be right back.

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the news continues. let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." coates and "cnn tonight." laura? -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> thanks anderson. nice to see you. i'm laura coates and this is "cnn tonight." look, i mean, high noon could take a whole new meaning for donald trump tomorrow. not a cowboy western. but tomorrow, justice department has set until noon eastern time tomorrow to release the redacted -- keep that word in mind -- the redacted version of the affidavit that led to that mar-a-lago search.

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