the news continues. let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." coates and "cnn tonight." laura? -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> thanks anderson. nice to see you. i'm laura coates and this is "cnn tonight." look, i mean, high noon could take a whole new meaning for donald trump tomorrow. not a cowboy western. but tomorrow, justice department has set until noon eastern time tomorrow to release the redacted -- keep that word in mind -- the redacted version of the affidavit that led to that mar-a-lago search. and that could move us that much

closer to understanding why the government felt it had to do this as opposed to waiting and going back and forth yet again with the former administration. but let's be clear here. this also could not move in all honesty the needle all that much for you out there in the public because there's a reason these things are often kept under wraps and has a lot to do with protecting the rights of the person whose home or in this case, estate, are being searched, and of course the safety of witnesses and sources. the judge said as much when he cleared the way for fbi agents to execute that warrant and saying in his written order, quote, the government has met its burden to show compelling, reason, good cause to seal portions of the affidavit because disclosure would reveal, one, identities of witnesses, law enforcement agents and uncharged parties, two, the direction, strategy, sources, scope, and methods. and three, grand jury methods

protected by criminal rules of procedure. as for the redactions, the judge added this about what the government had to show and whether they did meet their burden, saying, the government has met its burden showing the proposed redactions are narrowly tailored to serve the interest in the integrity of the ongoing investigation and are the least onerous to sealing the entire affidavit. you can imagine people aren't satisfied by not having the whole kit and caboodle as they say. for transparency on other filings related to this very search of extraordinary public interest, as did, for example, trump's ally, tom fitton, of judicial watch. keep that name in mind for a moment. there's what you say in public, of course, right, and what you might say in private. in the case of a figure like you're seeing on the screen, what you say in the court of

public opinion and what you say in the court of law when a judge is asking the question. now, while trump's team claims that they want the affidavit out there, none of the lawyers actually have anything to do or have done anything to try and get much of it released at all. so, tonight, we're all waiting to see what the doj is willing to share with the world, even though they don't want to share much, of course. and remember, noon tomorrow is just the deadline. we could actually find out sooner. but for now the doj isn't saying much more. i told you remember that name, tom fitton. he's a pro-trump activist, the president of judicial watch. but notably, he's not a lawyer. tonight, we have new reporting that shows he has been playing a major role in trump's resistance when it comes to handing over records. this might surprise you, given he does have a legal team. i'll look at how that's going to trump's public bravado when growing fears behind the scenes in trump's orbit about a

potential charge or indictment, concerns that frankly might go all the way to the former president. here to talk about all this are three actual lawyers and top legal and investigative minds, shan wu, a former federal prosecutor and defense attorney, bradley moss, a national security lawyer, and john wood, a former u.s. attorney and senior investigator for the january 6th committee. that's quite a panel, i must say. i want to begin here for a moment because, shan, brad -- and i'll get back to you as well, john -- can you help unpack a little bit for people -- we keep hearing about the idea of the legal team surrounding trump making poor choices. i'm being kind about this. sort of confounding people, getting your head scratching figuring out what are you doing, what's the motivation, what's the strategy here? why was that motion and what's happened this week so significant? >> sure. the problem with this legal team -- and the motion was the culmination of multiple months of problems. they should have been moving on this back in may. we now know from the documentation released by the

national archives that back in may they had been told that the classified records turned over in february were going to be given to the fbi. they were told their privilege was being denied. the legal team was going into court the next day trying to join the archives in turning things over. they would have been going into court in june when there were subpoena problems coming down. they would have been going in when there was evidence declassified. they did none of this. they sat back and let it continue on and they continued playing games. and that led to this motion, which wasn't properly fleshed out, very poorly written, in my view, didn't really outline what they wanted or what basis they had for it, and has the judge coming back to them the next day saying, you've got to explain this better in another filing. i don't know what you want me to do. >> imagine that. think about the judges, you're asking them to do something. you'll ask, what's the basis for it. if the judge wasn't clear about

what they were asking, is it partly because, shan, the questions were being raised in the court of public opinion, were never going to a court of law. this was thought, to your point, outside the courtroom because the talking point was better online. >> yeah, i think that's exactly the problem. everybody out there, a sign of a bad legal strategy is a disconnect between the client, the communication strategy, and the courtroom tragedy. and that's what we're really seeing here. that's what gives the impression that they're flailing about. they're being reactive. they should have started this a long time ago. and now that they're being reactive, they're clearly reacting to what their client wants to do, what he wants to say in public. they're trying to give lip service to that, but they're making bad mistakes that way. i think exhibit one on a bad mistake is anyone, including evan corcoran, who i have wide respect for, i used to work for him, signing a draft saying, don't worry about it. no more classified documents. that instantly turns you into a

witness. >> john, i don't want to forget about you because, you know, you were a big part of that january 6th committee. we remember actually watching you during the actual hearings, going to begin again later in september. you're a former u.s. attorney as well. you know this quite well. i have to ask you, knowing that all of this is part of it, the idea of thinking about, this is not -- i've joked, john, before -- this is not like your ex-boyfriend's old sqweater tha you don't want to give back. these are actual documents. these are things that belong to the people of the united states. you've had letters confirming that they were in the possession. you had rudy giuliani saying you guys got the espionage act all wrong. when you hear all of this, what goes through your mind? >> well, i agree with my colleagues here, who have said that president trump must be getting bad lawyering here. i think if he had a good legal team, in addition, he wouldn't

be in this situation in the first place because they would have made sure he returned the documents, particularly the classified documents. i don't know how much of it is the fault of lawyers or they don't have control over their client. but it's really outrageous that he has things that are public records and should have been returned in the presidential records act, but there were some 300-plus classified documents in his possession. that's really extraordinary. >> it is. and of course you worked with the january 6th committee as well. i'm wondering just based on the fact that a lot of things have been parallel, if not truly intersection, but parallel investigations and discussions. might any of this be intriguing to that committee? >> possibly. one of the big questions we don't know the answer to is do any of these documents, whether classified or non-classified, do they in any relate to what happened on january 6th? if so, that could be, you know, potential bombshell information because the obvious question would be, why did president trump take these with him? did he want to make sure that

congress or the public couldn't find out what was in these documents? >> that's the why. brad, in terms of the what, we might not know what the affidavit says in full. it's going to be redacted. we should expect that. that's not going to be abnormal, right? >> correct. this is going to be significant redactions. one is going to be grand jury information. that's excluded by law. they're going to redact the names of witnesses, particularly anyone they interviewed, anyone who provided information. and they're going to redact anything that reflects an investigative technique. they don't want to tell people how they're doing this yet. what i'm looking for tomorrow is do we get insight into how they reached the probable cause determination from the facts. what they saw on the surveillance tapes that made them think not only that there was classified documents but that there was an effort to conceal them, to relocate them. we know they found these records in other places, like the former president's office, in his bedroom closet. is that some of the information we're going to get? will that give us more insight into the obstruction provisions

they listed on the search affidavit? >> what are you looking for, shan? >> that would be great. >> i'll have what she's having. that was a classic moment. thank you, shan. >> but i want to manage expectations a little bit. i think it's going to look like a solid black box colored in. and i think it's important for us to remember, for the viewers to remember, we're not actually revisiting the probable cause. that's a done deal. and i don't think doj really has to measure up some standards for the judge here. i really think if they just submit anything that's not completely colored out, okay, redacted, the judge is in no position to really second guess them on whether it is of national security or classified information. so, i think the judge is really, good faith effort, you gave me something. i'm going to release it. i don't think we're going to see much that's very juicy about it at all. >> it sets the barlow. i think they have to be overinclusive in some ways. they knew it was donald trump's estate. but i do agree that if the judge looked at it in camera, by

themselves, and had that opportunity, they would have been able to ascertain that the probable cause was met. john, we didn't forget about you. thanks for being on. john wood, brad moss, shan wu, thank you so much. we're going to take a break here. we'll talk about why donald trump thinks documents that come to mar-a-lago stay at mar-a-lago. apparently another guy got into his head. it's the one whose name we told you to keep in mind. a whole lot more about his influence and potential impact coming up next. you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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hear, that it was a mistake to turn over any documents to the archives. he even encouraged trump not to give up any more if the archives should come back, which we know they did several times. sources say that trump became obsessed over fitton's -- we'll call them -- legal arguments. we should mention fitton is not a lawyer, and i doubt these are legal arguments. but trump complained to aides about the 15 boxes that were handed over, and he became more and more convinced that he should have full control over records that remained at mar-a-lago. he even asked fitton at one point to brief his attorneys on the matter. a person close to former president told us this. quote, the moment the tom got in the boss' ear, it was downhill from there. let's talk more about this and get perspective from these phenomenal people at my right and left, left and right -- the camera can't tell. whatever. it's alyssa farah griffin, miles taylor, and evan perez, who

helped break this story and many other stories. let me begin with evan. tom fitton, many people might not know in the influence he is now having. it does strike you as very odd that this is a person with an extensive legal team, donald trump. we've seen different iterations. but this is the person who he wants to brief these lawyers. >> he also really likes the people, the legal minds, that he sees on television, as you know. and so, fitton pretty quickly after this -- after the national archives retrieved these 15 boxes, he goes on fox and he goes on other platforms, on twitter and other places, and starts saying that, you know, should never have given back these boxes because these are actually inherently personal. that by virtue of the president leaving the white house with them, they became personal. >> that's not the standard though, evan. they don't become personal. it's not poliin your pocket all of a sudden. >> right. you see where trump has gotten some of these ideas. and one of the things that he is

looking back at is this case from about a decade ago from 2012 in which fitton and his group were trying to get access to some recordings from the clinton years, from bill clinton's presidency. these were recordings he had made with the historian, taylor branch. and as a result of that, in the end he was not able to get them because the -- a judge ruled that these were not presidential records. so, they're saying, this is exactly analogous. of course we know that these -- that the current situation has to do with highly classified s.a.p., ts sci, very sensitive documents according to the justice department. so, it's not really the same thing. and by the way, i spoke to fitton a couple times for this story. he says, look, in the end, trump ended up still providing more documents to the archive, so therefore he wasn't really listening to fitton in the end. >> most but not all is not going to satisfy talking about

national security, potentially classified documents, right? you can't say, i gave you half of it. >> also -- >> uh-oh, miles is laughing, everyone. >> alyssa can attest to this. we've seen this story so many times that donald trump is getting his advice from television. he ran his presidency that way. we used to joke that lou dobbs was the deputy chief of staff at the white house because he would literally say to you, did you watch lou dobbs last night? it would be some popcorn, cockamamy policy idea. and how he's actually in real legal trouble. and he's still taking advice from people who are on tv and playing "game of thrones." again, though, the difference this time is, you know, he's in a bad position. he's got a very bad legal team. and his fingerprints, as we've talked about before, are literally all over this. he's gone through the boxes. he is in a really, really bad spot. >> his name is still teflon don.

and maybe the reason -- you think about maybe he's super emboldened. he's been in a lot of hot water before. we know the history of this presidency. is he really scared this time, alyssa? >> i think he is. and to use his own quote against him, he is not hiring or surrounding himself with the best people. pat cipollone, whether he agree with him or not, is a credible, serious attorney -- >> one of the best. >> one of the best -- advised him against this. he finds a crack pot two bit, i guess not even attorney, to advise him and tell him what to do. he's also being advised by christina bob if she could confirm he did not have nuclear secrets. and she said, i don't believe he does. >> oe- that's comfortable. >> that's comforting, but that's also get a better attorney then. >> that's the attorney that signed the paperwork, by the way, about whether there was any classified information left. it's terrifying. >> and it's sort of funny if we're not talking about state

secrets or national security, the actual process we should go through for archiving america's state secrets. >> part of this including -- again, we're not just talking about your average paper clip here. these are things that are of interest. one of the things that sparked this was the idea that the national archives were doing an inventory. and things we've spoken about in the news, kim jong-un letter, for example, other things, we don't see it here, right? these are documents we're talking about. >> very quickly they realized that there were important things, including the letters to the north korean leader, the already from former president obama when he left office for the incoming president trump. this is how this began. they were trying to retrieve things like that. at one point, there was instructions given to one of the trump aides to try to fedex those items to the archives. >> wait, to fedex classified documents? >> well, yeah, i guess right. these were communications with

foreign leaders, so they probably are a certain level of classification. again, this was the level of begging and desperation by the archives to try to retrieve these archives. they're like, at any cost they wanted to try to get these things back because they were presidential records and they needed them. >> i think it's important to notice there are two things here. we're going to learn more as the affidavit comes out. i expect a lot of it is going to be redacted. >> sure. >> but there are things that are presidential records, which probably by nature are sensitive. something like that, i assume you could fedex and it's not going to put anyone at grave special harm. i never once had access to a special access program. >> i always wanted that, but no one's offered. >> we talked about it before. the code word. >> we still respect you, evan. it's okay. >> this is one of the highest levels of national security classification you can encounter. if he does, in fact, has does and hasn't been protected them

in a scif, any other person would be walked into jail for that. >> that's what we're going to talk more about and learn about this affidavit and what we will see. but, again, for many people watching this and thinking about this, the phrase of who's above the law, that also extends this idea of who gets to have someone bend over backwards to make it as easy as possible for you to delay what you're required to do. >> one thing i want to quickly add -- by the way, reading this judge's opinion that was released, i think we should look at what he says when he says, this is the least onerous alternative to sealing the entire document. i think he means it. i think this judge clearly had seen this document. he knows exactly what's in it. and he was leaning towards -- he was nudging the justice department. look, you're going to have to release as much of this as possible because i know what's in it and i know what you really need to protect. i think -- i think -- we can read in this document a lot of what this judge means. >> that's a great point because the judge clearly has seen the entire thing.

>> and he says you need to do it narrowly. >> evan perez, thank you so much. al alyssa, miles, stick around. president biden is unloading on his predecessor and the extreme maga movement and he's giving his midterm message a bit of a test run. you see... your gut has good and bad bacteria. and when you get off balance, you may feel it. the bloating, the gas - but align helps me trust my gut again. plus, its recommended by doctors nearly 2x more than any other probiotic brand. just one a day naturally helps promote a balanced gut. and soothe occasional bloating gas and discomfort. align probiotic. welcome to an align gut.

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onto the midterm stage tonight for the first time and with 75 days to go until the election day of the midterms. and some say that he brought the heat. the president touted all of his recent legislative wins. but he did save most of the fire for his predecessor and maga republicans, zeroing on what could be the gop's most vulnerable issue come this november. >> red state after red state, there's a race to pass the most restrictive abortion limitations imaginable, even without exception for rape or incest. but these maga republicans won't stop there. they want a national ban. they want to pass a legislative national ban in the congress. if the maga prepublicans win control of the congress, it won't matter where we live. women won't have the right to choose anywhere, anywhere. >> an earlier event that wasn't on camera, president biden went further, telling attendees,

quote, what we're seeing now is the beginning or the death nail of an extreme maga philosophy. it's not just trump, it's the entire philosophy that underpins the -- i'm going to say something -- it's like semifascism, unquote. alyssa farah griffin is back with former democratic senator doug jones and former special assistant to president george w. bush, scott jennings. and you have no response to the fascism comment whatsoever, so we'll just move on? is that okay? >> i'm used to politicians throwing hay makers at each other. doug jones. >> oh, yeah. >> what i heard joe biden say tonight was farther than that. he's essentially saying, if you vote republican, you're a fascist. he's saying if every american doesn't support democrats and we have one party rule, top to bottom, democracy is somehow lost. >> but he did say -- he kept saying repeatedly, maga

republicans, maga -- it took it to mean -- >> are there are some republicans he's endorsing? >> my point is i took that to mean he's aware of the delineation that's trying to happen in the gop as well, your fathers, grandfather's, your mother's own republican party and you're seeing the extreme. >> i worry it's not clear enough. charlie chris stepped in once he got the nomination. he said, you're full of hate. then he tried to back track it. i think donald trump is a semifascist, but i think most americans are good, decent people who want lower gas prices. they want an economy that works for them. so, i think this language is not helpful on the trail. i do think he is right probably to tout the issues with abortion. that's something that's going to be incredibly animating for democrats. but at the same time, he still does not have a good message on the economy. and that's what is at the top of every poll when you look at the midterms. >> what do you think? >> i completely disagree on a

lot of that. i think you're exactly right. he is differentiating with this maga faction of the republican party, which is dominating the republican party right now in my view. they're the loudest. they're like three different factions. there are people pushing back, like liz cheney. then there are the few. then there are the enables sitting back letting donald trump and the maga faction run the party. and those are the people getting nominated for u.s. senate in arizona and in pennsylvania. and you've got senator johnson, very similar to that in wisconsin. they're seeing that this is a issue for democrats that, in this maga faction -- remember we're talking about just a few seats here. at the end of the day, we're talking about a few seats. there are very few seats in the house that are really in play. so, you're talking about trying to differentiate and make a statement about this maga faction that i -- maybe y'all agree or disagree, but i'm telling you, i think it's -- >> i would think you in some ways are a lost art in the

democrat party, what i would call a moderate democrat, obviously serving in the south. for joe biden, if he's wanting to win over some trump voters, he needs to be reaching moderates and not calling them semi-fascist and lumping them in with trump. >> do moderate republicans think of othemselves as maga republicans. >> they think of themselves as republicans. 74 million people voted for trump and some that didn't vote for trump but voted for a bunch of other republicans down the ballot. they think of themselves as republicans. if you're living in one of these purple states, you're not going into the ballot box thinking, which faction of the republican party -- no, you're thinking about, i generally believe in a conservative direction for the country. the democrat generally believes in a liberal direction for the country. so, that's what i'm going to prefer today. that doesn't make me a fascist. it makes me a republican or a conservative. and that's how they're going to cast their votes. and joe biden, who by the way ran as i'm going to unite the

country. we're not going to have meanness in the oval office. to call half the country fascist, it's totally out of character. >> he is not calling half the country fascist. he is running he is calling the people running as fascist -- >> you shouldn't say it that way. >> well, he is calling these people that they are going to come in and not think about that because this is not your conservative party of the past. it is not the party of small government. it is the party that is stripping people of rights. it is the party that is trying to take away election with all these election deniers and taking away the right to vote. this is a different party that is the loudest and in control. so, that's where i think that the president is making a very strong point. and it's going to come down to every state. and people are going to look at it. and they're going to compare

with a candidate that is -- from the democratic side -- that is getting things done, that are moving for people that they don't always agree with on everything, but they are scared to death of this other group that is trying to take control. >> i'm a fierce critic of donald trump. i think he's wholly unfit to ever be in office again. i think your clarification is helpful. that's something joe biden should say. i worry this is similar to hillary clinton deplorable comment that animated the trump base and animated republicans to say, if we're all looked at as deplorables or semi-fascist, then screw the democrats. why would i ever vote for them. >> i hear that but i also take a step back and think it's clear we've heard over the course of many months and years those who are -- mitch mcconnell from your home state, for example, does not think of himself in the same category as perhaps marge

marjorie taylor greene. it's not so shocking there would be a distinction made. i wonder is it the fact it came from biden who articulated the distinction. or aoc so to speak does not think of herself the same way as even joe biden. there is distinction. why is this particular aspect so offensive? >> first of all, it's not up to joe biden to sort out the republicans. i sincerely doubt if you handed him a list of republican candidates he would go, this one's bad. this one's good. to him they're all bad. they're democrats. they're partisans. they're trying to win elections. it's not up to him. every election cycle we play this game. democrats and other people who help the democrats try to get republicans to fight each other and divide amongst ourselves. donald trump is not on the ballot. he is an important figure in the republican party. but there's so much more at stake than petty internal fighting. but that's what they want us to focus on instead of the issues like economy, inflation, and everything else.

>> like republicans calling me a socialist and wanting to defund the police. that doesn't happen with the republican party. come on, give me a break. everybody -- it's the same thing. and you're going to define the people that are -- with the party that are the loudest and that are getting the control of the party right now. and that happens to be the maga faction. and by the way, let me quickly add, i think that that's dangerous. i don't like that. i want a healthy two-party system. >> who's in control of the democratic party right now? >> i don't know if there's a control of the democratic party, but i tell you this. we are finally starting to get things done. it's not the left and the right fighting like they did in the first half of the biden administration. we're moving legislation. we're getting a governing majority. they're getting things done for the american people. inflation is getting under control. we're producing jobs at historic records. so, the democrats are coming together and they're getting things done. >> well, that's where biden left off after the comment that made everyone chatter a little bit. thank you everyone about that.

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platform to center the plight of our public school students and to put some respect on your teachers' names. i can speak for myself, as i teach in oklahoma. this idea of book banning and censorship and the restriction, ultimately, of what we, as a society, value as far as which identities are we going to enfranchise? which identities are we going to say matter? this has been a long-simmering issue in oklahoma public schools. it's been a long-simmering issue in many public schools. i know that educators in florida right now are, you know, currently dealing with some troubling restrictions on curriculum and social studies. and then you have the don't say gay bill. at the end of the day, what this

comes down to are students and their stories. and what are we going to value? what are we going to communicate to our students as far as what is significant? so, my objective, as an english teacher, in interacting with a variety of texts in my classroom, is always, you know, i'm not really concerned with whether students walk out of my classroom remembering that asimilarly is a comparison using the words like or as, what i'm concerned about -- >> you want to expose that. >> right. i want students to be able to walk out of my classroom with the tools that they need to talk to the world, to ask the questions. >> but let me ask you this. >> and books and stories are vital. >> i hear you.

i want to ask you, though n that sense, it is so disappointing, given that that is your mission -- i don't want to cut you off. the fact that you have now chosen to lead does in a sense remove that opportunity for many of the students to have a teacher like that, like you, which is a very difficult choice to make. what do you say to the retort and the response that many which which is, look, i understand that, but if you're working for a community and they have decided certain curriculum should not be part of their children's experience, then you must abide by that. why do you think that's not the approach to take, that you don't have to just sort of succumb and acquiesce to what they want you to say or not? >> so, again, the -- you know, i'm aware of community sentiment and how vital community participation is in our public schools. there are parents and guardians out there who have offered tremendous support, and i

genuinely thank those people. but, you know what i always err on, i'm not trying to parent anyone's child. my job is to create a space where we can learn together about ourselves and each other. and it is not my place to decide which identities matter and which ones don't. every single time -- the classroom is an inherently political space. i go back to, you know, james baldwin's talk to teachers. silence is a position. it's a privileged position. and so i have to choose. and teachers have to choose. are we going to be silent, or are we going to err on the side of compassion, of empathy, and

inclusion? >> summer, i think it's really important -- >> the discussion around that -- yeah. >> i do hear you, summer. but i hear the idea of the classroom being inherently political and given what we've talked about -- unfortunately we're in a space where i don't doubt that is the space buchlt ought not to be the case. thank you so much for joining the program. i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. thank you for having me. still to come, a political feud getting more intense, as texas sends more and more migrants to new york. e other aly sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. we're carvana the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100 percent online now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car whether it's a year old, or a few years old we want to buy your car so go to carvana enter your license plate answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value

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new tonight, president biden's homeland security security is blasting governor greg abbott for bussing migrants from his state to the northeast. new york city say 237 migrants arrived via private bus just yesterday, and about that many were expected today. they say this is overwhelming agencies. alejandro mayorkas that abbott as stunt is throwing the federal system out of whack. >> it is problematic, however,

when an official works not in collaboration with us, but unilaterally, and that lack of coordination wreaks problems in our efficient processing. >> he also responded to criticism of the administration isn't doing enough. miles taylor who works with dhs is back with me along with david per lick. what strikes you about this? >> it is a stunt. it's using people as pawns. i'm surprised to border state governor hasn't come up with this sooner. it's working because he knows by and large voters are not going to punish him for doing this and knows the president, including mayor adams in new york, mayor bowser in d.c. who are going to have to absorb the migrants, strad it widle the fence, apaid voters.

>> put your resources where your politics are. >> it's really tough. i agree, it's a stunt. but at the same time it's always drawing attention to a really broken system that we've got. you know, i really think this issue about asylum seekers and refugees, these are not traditionally folks blending into society. they're crossing at their own peril, their own risk, and stopping and being arrested. this is everybody's house right now, because we have not had the ability to come together. it's been politicized beyond belief these days, and the pawns that these folks -- the bodies that we're seeing is just atrocious. and rather than politicizing this, those images ought to get both houses of congress and get parties, both the parties together and say, we can't allow this humanitarian issue continue to go. >> exactly, and regardless of what side of the aisle you're on it is a crisis.

from a humanitarian standpoint you've got 2 million people on pace this year to come into the united states through the back door instead of the front door. why do we have a system that incentivizes people to do that through a dangerous route, where women are abused, children are attacks. that's just not safe. that's not a way to run a country. it's a crisis whatever way you cut it. to the crisis of the third rail, that's why no one's doing anything about it. hell, half the people don't want to come on tv to talk about immigration. i'd ask the question of the senator, why didn't his colleagues fix it? i assume because they don't want to talk about it. >> what's the scary part? >> you had president obama, the most charming politician on earth, called the deporter in chief by progressives, even though he was a democratic or progressive hero. you had attempts in 2006, 2013

to go bipartisan immigration reform. the lesson trump learned was, don't do it, because it was not popular with his hard core republican voters. >> that's exactly right, the one bill in 2018, we did work with a bipartisan group of voters. put something on the table initially president trump said he wanted. daca issues, put money on the border, would have done a lot of things. got a lot of people talking. at the last minute he came in and threw poison pills. >> i think trump could have had a nixon goes to china moment on immigration. he could have been that type of person that everyone thought was so extreme and fixed this. did he? no, he was a disaster. i personally believe trump wanted to pursue nazi-like immigration policies. i don't say that facetiously. he wanted to use mai grants as pawns in far worse ways. at one point he told us he wanted to bus the murders and

rapists to democratic cities. that is sick stuff. these aren't pawns. these are people. let's figure out the problem realizing these are people. folks are too scared to talk about these things. >> they are people. you were there, miles, i know. trump's bran was, going going to build a wall, do everything i can, and that overwhelmed the part of him, whatever part that wanted to be compassionate on this issue. >> i don't think there was a part, david, that wanted to be compassionate, and i don't say that jokingly. hopefully we can learn from that, and hopefully as the senator suggests there are members of congress ready to step forward. sadly they're looking for somebody to give them political -- >> miles, real quick. i agree with you in part our system incentivizes, but let's face it, at the end of the day, america and who we are incentivizes these people. they are running away from some

tragedy and depression, and it's this country that i knoncentivi them. if we try to do more for these people in their countries we could fix this. >> we should be proud people want to come here. >> appropriately said by a man with a flag on his lapel. miles taylor, doug jones, thank you so much. we'll be right back. time. it's life's most precious commodity, especially when you have metastatic breast cancer. when your time is threatened, it's hard to invest in your future. until now. kisqali is helping women live longer than ever before

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