good, evening at any moment in time the justice department could release it redacted version of the affidavit making the government's case for a surge in mar-a-lago. now, they have until noon tomorrow to do it. the former president, as you know, had pushed for the unredacted version to come out. his folks recently justifying it based on, these are his words, the democrats penchant for using protections to hide government corruption, just like they did with the russia hoax. now, the department of justice does not want to make public anything. they could jeopardize this or any potential future case. plus, put investigators in jeopardy, or expose potential witnesses to pressure. there's also the long-standing practice at the justice department of not seeing anything at all about pending cases, especially ones as politically sensitive as this. all that said, as the judge in the case recognize there was certainly public interest involved here. cnn's jessica schneider starts us off. do we know why exactly the judge decided to release this? >> you know, we don't know for sure, anderson. but it's really possible here that the doj may have given a little bit more

than they originally thought they could. you know, the judge move really swiftly today. it was less than four hours after he received prosecutors for post redactions let he ruled that what they propose would, in fact, be sufficient, that it should be released to the public by noon tomorrow. and the reason it's interesting that this judge came to such a quick conclusion is that when doj argued in court last week, they said that any redactions could be so extensive that it would make the entire affidavit completely devoid of content, in their words. when they said that, the judge pushback and he argued, look, there must be something that you can release. so, it does seem that maybe doj has come up with a version, obviously that's satisfying to the judge, even though, of course, huge portions of this are likely to be blacked out, anderson. >> what's parts can be expected to be redacted? >> yeah, so we likely won't see any information that relates to the investigation itself because, of course, we know it's a criminal investigation, still ongoing into these classified documents. nothing at all about the witnesses who have talked with investigators, and nothing that will remotely

jeopardize the work doj has been doing. and the judge really agreed to all of this, the need for it all to be blacked out because he wrote this. he said, i find that the government has met its burden of showing a compelling reason, good cause, to seal portions of the affidavit because disclosure would reveal, one, the identities of witnesses, lot enforcement agents, and on charge parties. to, the investigation strategy, direction, scope, sources, and methods. and three, grand jury information protected by federal rule of criminal procedure, six easy. so, all of that will certainly be blacked out. so, what we can see tomorrow, anderson, it maybe could reveal a few procedural details. nothing substantial, but maybe some details procedurally about why the search at mar-a-lago happened. you know, so there could be some tibbetts in there that brought in the public's knowledge since, really, the goal of getting this release from the judge was to make at least some information, put it out there in the public. we will see what we get. jessica schneider, thanks so much. perspective now -- from john

dean, former federal judge, nancy corner. she's currently a senior lecturer at harvard law school. also with us tonight, cnn -- analyst and former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe. judge gardner, were you surprised the judge made this call to release the redacted affidavit? >> i was, i was very surprised. the only thing that i think your reporter had right, it must be that the government showed that it can disclose something without, you know, without sort of unpacking the entire investigation. the other thing is that between the time of the search on the eighth until now, a lot has come out about the timeline, about the efforts to get this material and the transitive on trump's part. so, there may be public facts that they can happily disclose, not happily, but gladly disclose. you know, without jeopardizing the kinds of issues that she described. so, once he saw that it was possible and they saw that it was possible, he was prepared to do it. >> so andrew, we mentioned the judge ruled the identities of witnesses, line force, million vaccinations strategy should mean under seal. to what extent do you think that will satisfy the fbi and doj? what do you

expect will be revealed in the redacted version? >> well, anderson, the devil is in the details, right? the fbi is going to be looking very closely at that category, specifically in the protection of witnesses and people who provided information. so, if doj was thorough and complete, and completely redacting any information that could lead to those identities being revealed, than the fbi will probably be satisfied. i suspect that judge gardner, this is absolutely right, doj took the tact of releasing as much information as they possibly could, those facts that are already well known. other facts that have been revealed and confirmed by governmental agencies in the last week or so, with a correspondence from narrow that we've seen aired out in the press. so, essentially what we are going to be able to read is things that we already know.

>> john, do you think the redacted version of the affidavit will reveal many new details? >> i think it could. i think that seems to be well took the judge over to the side of releasing this material. that was his inclination and he wanted to see a strong case by the justice as to why not, and he didn't get that. they obviously did come forward. but i can't imagine that trump is going to be happy with this document, given the fact it was an advocacy document written to persuade the judge, to find probable cause to undertake a search. that isn't the document that's going to put a lot of places in for donald trump, to the exact opposite. so, i think he's going to be very unhappy with what he finds and what comes out. and it will not be good for donald trump. >> and judge gertner, does it make sense to you, from a legal standpoint, that the former

presidents legal team didn't take an official position in court on whether the affidavit should be released? they said a lot of stuff on tv, but in court, they were silent. >> because he doesn't want, because he's deeply ambivalent. because if he came out in court and said, i align myself with the press that wants this stuff released, if he were then charged, he would have a very difficult time saying that the release of this information was wet prejudiced him, when, in fact, he was the architect of that release. so, you know, he's playing both games at the same time. that's what he's doing. >> and andrew, according to the apartment of justice, the investigation is still in its early stages. what would the fbi's role be in the probe right now? what's the division of labor essentially between the bureau and the department of justice, whose ultimately driving the train? >> sure, so you have really two very separate, but tied together, efforts going on here, anderson. the one thing is the investigation of the possible crimes that were laid out in the search warrant. so,

violations of the espionage act, obstruction of justice, things like that. you've got agents that are looking very closely at what trump officials said and did in this course of conduct, over the last year and a half, in retaining the documents. at the same time, you have counterintelligence agents that are looking very closely at the material itself, trying to come up with a damage assessment. essentially to be able to say, how much have we possibly lost, in terms of this very sensitive, most classified information? they are looking at the surveillance videos from the area around the basement where the documents are stored, they are trying to identify everyone who comes up on those videos, they are interviewing those people. so, it's two very complicated and labor intensive efforts underway at the same time. >> john, do you think heavier actions create more confusion? i read one former prosecutor described it as a potential

rorschach test and people kind of read into it what they want to see in those black boxes. >> that's a good metaphor because that's exactly what will happen. i guarantee you that trump supporters and trump, himself, we'll find lots of reasons to complain about all that black space. and they will go on endlessly about how things are dark conspiracies that are going on, and this is evidence of it. of course, it's not. but that is what they will argue. and no one can refute it into the rest of the document is released, if and when that ever happens. >> it will be like -- we are all trying to figure out how many levels will fit into a certain space. judge gertner, is there any scenario under which the release of the affidavit, even the redacted version, can complicate things if the case ever got to the point of charges or trial? short, we have to step back, to some degree. the statute, the espionage statute includes people who have disseminated information, not just people who have, you know, collected

defense information. it's a very broad statute, it deals with unlawful transfer, unlawful destruction, and on level retention. so, it's possible that they would conclude if it's a mere unlawful retention, that they did not want to charge anyone. right? that's always possible, that it was just a, whoops, we've talked about this before, it looks a little bit different than a whoops, given the length of the steps that the president took, the former president took to keep the stuff in hand. but the danger here is, if anyone is mentioned that affidavit, -- from the president, rather, who then is not charged. that's the whole concern here. this is an investigative document, an affidavit. not a charging document. and presumably at the conclusion of the investigation, they may say, well, we are going after you or you, but not you. and what the release of

this information could do is to hurt the people who are not charged, and then, you know, have serious impact on any prosecution going forward. particularly given a president who, you know, seems to have no problem calling people, or, you know, threatening people. >> so andrew, logistically, how does it work if this is an ongoing investigation and theoretically, in an ongoing investigation, the fbi would be contacting people, having conducting interviews. given all the drama surrounding the search, would that have, just for, i mean, i don't know if it's political reasons or any reasons, would people in the fbi just be like, okay, let's put everything on hold while the fury dries down? how does that work? >> i don't suspect that people in the fbi put the effort on hold. they are going to obviously take the steps that department of justice authorizes them to take, and they are going to move forward with this, despite the

political fear around it and the kind of impassioned views on both sides. the bigger problem, anderson, is the drama and the attention on this, specifically around the revelation potentially of information in the affidavit. it could have a chilling effect on peoples desire to get involved in the investigation, so the next time the bureau goes out and locks on someone's door, having seen all this played out in the media and fought over, over the course of these motions, it's much less likely that people will be willing to just sit down and talk fbi agents, and share the information that they know. that will slow them down and impede the investigation. andrew mccabe, judge, we appreciated. along the former presidents inner circle over how to handle the mass he's in and even he's reportedly concerned about it. cnn's kristen holmes shares the shares the byline's on the story. joins us now. what were you learning about how the former president in his inner circle were handling all of this? >> well anderson, trump is steering the ship and it's clear that he wants this to be a political battle, and not a

legal one. but allies that we've spoken to are growing concerns over this strategy, as well as the confidence of trump's legal team, particularly as many of them have come to believe that trump could be in real legal jeopardy. now, this concern over trump's legal team started almost immediately after the search. sources, pointing to an exchange between a fox tv host, who's a trump ally, and one of trump's attorneys, christina bob, in which this trump ally grilled bob over the legal strategy, and it seemed as though bob did not have a lot of real answers. just a reminder here, bob is a former tv host herself, at one america news, the right-wing pro-trump network. and she has become the face of this legal team, mainly from speaking on conservative media and propagating these conspiracy theories. the other red flags that a lot of these allies rates to us was the fact that the legal team did not put anything forward in the way of motions, for two weeks. and once they did, it was riddled with legal errors. it was widely criticized by both sides of the aisle, legal experts. it read like a political document and again, this is coming at a

time where we are hearing from a lot of these people who are close to trump who believe he could be in legal jeopardy. >> so wait a minute, i should've known this, but one of his attorneys, the one who's been on tv a lot, she comes from oan, that's where he found her? >> that's right, yes. she's one of several people who used to work at oan, who now works for donald trump. but she is one of his lawyers, plenty of, them there's she's the one who you've seen consistently on conservative new networks, talking about this. she's also the one who, when she was at oan, was a big propagators of the big lie, talking about rudy giuliani promoting those things during the election. >> i don't know why i'm surprised, but it just tons mean that the former president of the united states, in his inner circle, of attorneys, as he's facing what seems to be a pretty serious thing, is relying on a former oan

percentage. that's news to me. did not know that. kristen holmes, appreciate it. thank you. stay with us. i want to bring in our kaitlan collins, who has who has herself, done a lot of reporting on the former president and his associates. so, how does it lineup, kristen's saying about the dissidents within the circle, how does that lineup with your understanding of what's going on around the president? >> first, i have to say it's funny that you are laughing that he, or yourself surprised. >> i'm not laughing, i'm just filled with -- >> this is kind of the trump way, john eastman, the attorney at the center of trying to pressure mike pence to overturn the results of the election, trump found him because he was talking about the russia investigation on fox news. and that is how we brought him up. so it's actually not a huge surprise, as is often held, trump brings people into his inner circle because he sees them talking on two tv, you like, them he defended them. and john eastman ended up in the oval office and christina bob is a public face of his -- >> [inaudible] everyone deserves great attorneys around them. >> i think christine is reporting about -- there are a

lot of people in trump's inner circle, ordinarily because christina bob is when making decisions, he does have two other attorneys, corcoran and trusty, who are working behind the scenes, they're not publicly on television. but, trump likes to have people on tv defending, i'm not just in court. both of them are all almost equal in importance. >> is a coincidence that he picked an attorney named trusty? because i know he does like how people look at how people up here. he always liked his generals to look a certain way. >> i think he knows jim trusty from being in washington and from being in other recommendations that he got but it is -- >> he has been described as one of the most experienced attorneys that the president has around him. >> same with evan corcoran, which people would recognize him from -- he also defended bannon. so, when you would see evan corcoran come up to the court, you would also see evan cook oren behind him. i do think that there is a strategy and what's going to look like. one thing that surprised me is

that they haven't added anyone to the legal team in a sense in what we have been expecting we know that they have been searching for that in the days right after the search because they felt like they needed someone to understand florida law, given that so much is this is happening there, his former houses there. they have yet to add a high powered attorney, a big name, from florida yet. i think it is in part because there is a mistrust of attorneys who are sought out to work for trump, given he often dismisses them. remember, he got rid of all of his legal team before a second impeachment happened. he often doesn't pay them, is a point, that you've often seen from some of them. but i think this is a case where, if you work for a really high powered law firm, you also have a kind of check off with everyone else before you go in in case this is politically sensitive, as this one. i do think the legal strategy will be something to watch over the next few weeks. >> right, because even the document that they put to the court -- the judge kind of went back with them and said, look, you need to -- hear is what you actually need to put in a

document like that. it didn't seem like it was really a strong legal document. it may have had political implications or that may have been the plan. >> it write a lot like his twitter feed did. it was making a legal argument but there's a reason that they had to go back tomorrow and clarify because they did not ask any frame of action beyond they wanted the special master but they did not put a timeline. typically, you would, say you want an emergency injunction on, there's a pause on this, they stand by this day. that is why they have to refine that. tomorrow, when it comes to the questions of whether or not they pursued the right strategy that others want, and they didn't file it before the judge, who is the one that is involved in the affidavit, the one that is involved in signing off on what this looks like, they file it in front of a different judge. so, that also raised some questions. so, we will see how that plays out. they feel like the affidavit will actually benefit them and show that the justice department is overreached. i do you think, when the redactions, it could be read a certain way. and so people should be cautious reading it, of reading too much into what they want to read into it. by the could reveal some things about the timeline that could be interesting. >> kristen, you also have been putting at the former

presidents correspondence with the president kim jong-un. >> that's, right anderson. this has been really fascinating. during this timeframe, in which the national archives was negotiating with trump's representatives, a senior official from the national archives reached out to trump's attorneys, scott gassed, who was appointed to be the liaison with the archives. and in this email, which our colleague, gabby orr, obtained, it's almost surreal to read. because they're talking about how they're going to get these documents back from mar-a-lago to the national archives. and again, we are talking about correspondence between two world leaders. and in the mail, they're talking about how they are going to get it shipped fedex overnight. he saying, can you please make sure that you give me the codes, we have staff to meet them on the other end of this. so, again, kind of a surreal moment, as we are seeing this negotiation between the two. now it is important to note that they never sent the letters. the letters actually were detained for never seven months when the architect of the seven boxes. but again, just the insight into what was going on to these negotiations. >> and the use of the letters, according to maggie haberman, that the president likes to show to visitors into the oval

office. like, hey, look at this letter from kim jong-un, the love letters, he called them. kristen holmes, kaitlan collins, thank you, again, the unsealing of the affidavit could come at any moment, so we are just doing to keep a close eye on that through this hour and throughout the evening. next, cnn kfile's exclusive, the republican nominee to become the top elections official in minnesota said comparing 2020 to 9/11. and that is not all. later, how we've seen primaries, the supreme courts abortion ruling, and the economy and president biden's don't forget this may forgive affect the election. we will talk to political strategist james carville tonight. ♪ from boston. ♪ it means, “ok-to-beer-fest”. another sam octoberfest? nein. make it ten! i like this guy. (cheers) a monster was attacking but the team remained calm. because with miro, they could problem solve together, and find the answer that was right under their nose.

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strong statement from one of them in minnesota. he joins us now. so, what have you uncovered? >> so, kimberly crockett is an attorney and political activist who is running for secretary of state in minnesota. she doesn't believe the election in 2020 was legitimate. she has called democrats cheats. she said the 2020 election was rigged. she calls it the big rig. she doesn't believe that the post office should be allowed to handle ballots, kind of an extreme position. >> what is wrong with the post office? >> she says that the post office is a union endorsed, democrats in general -- so, she doesn't think that they should be allowed to handle ballots. we are talking millions of ballots every year. and one thing in particular she has been pretty vocal against's democratic attempts to make it easier to vote in the last couple of years we have seen republicans and a lot of states trying to tighten things up, trying to cut back on early things voting, things like that. in one instance we were

listening to, she actually invoked the september 11th terrorist attacks when talking about the subject. and we have a clip of that. >> okay. >> i really appreciate all you do, kim, being on the front lines of this and helping to organize, and helping people get the information about these things. >> we are good friends in the american majority, and [inaudible] just an amazing job, [inaudible] together, because we realized people were discouraged. and this isn't still an exceptional nation and we are still the american people. and i am betting on it. this is a challenge. maybe we needed a wake up call. this is our 9/11. >> wow. >> yeah, so we reached out to

her campaign about this on tuesday. they asked us for some more time to look over all these comments. they did not actually get back to us with very much. she defended calling the election rigged. she -- they did not address any of the various things in our story. what's she did say was, we weren't focused on the issues even though all of this is about voting rights, which is what the secretary of state does. and she said, basically, that the media was intent on characters asieh nation. >> what's so ignorant about her statement is, our 9/11 is our 9/11. 9/11 is or 9/11. the idea is, like our 9/11, it happened in some other country -- it makes no sense. >> it makes no 2022 continues for the sense. that is what was really spaniards, champions weird. wouldn't at the u 9/11 would 19 euros back in also be your 9/11? july and now into the so, that 2nd consecutive was -- she actually things,

probably, it wing them a party. and we get take a listen to this in a second. here she, thinks you know, biden is actually expendable to these people. and they're going to possibly get rid of him when the time is right. >> let's play this. >> after you, and drag you out because you are not progressive enough. joe biden is not progressive enough for that wing of the party. and that's your rift, that's where you target. >> [inaudible] when i was over, biden said, go quietly. >> wow! >> yes, and you know, in our article about cnn.com we barely cover her comments here, you could read it and you could see some of the other comments she made both about voting rights and about democrats. >> it's so interesting when a softspoken lady that you might think, oh, she is just the person who you made in the

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election reform and a terror attack, it's not just minnesota in fact arizona appears to be the epicenter for republican candidates up and down the ticket who've embarrassed conspiracy theories. my next guest knows the state well, he was at the center of one of the biggest calls on election night, has the he was responsible for the responsible for the network being the first to call the state for biden. correctly. something that became very controversial in the far-right. he also recently testified before the january 6th committee. his new book, broken news, why the media rage machine divides america and how to fight back, dives deep into political division in the nation down how polarizing media plays and influence. >> the reality is, the shortest distance between a news organization and profit is anger, fear, hatred. we have to earn and deserve the privileges that we enjoy, the freedoms that we enjoy as journalists. and if the works that we are doing are not good for the

country, if the work that we are doing does not help us to realize the objectives of the founding and the hopes of the people of this country, then it's wrong. >> joining me now is chris star wild, who was -- let go from fox news due to what we said was restructuring. chris, it's really a pleasure to have you on. it's not just minnesota, as we were just talking about. there are election deniers on the ballot in arizona, michigan, indiana, the list goes on. how concerned are you, given all you've seen that, you, know the people who are hoping to run elections in so many states are some of the same people saying the last election was fraudulent? >> well, the arizona republican party has really fallen on some hard times, and just as a good example of this, doug doocy, the very popular, very successful two term governor there, in a more normal republican party, we would be talking about what kind of presidential campaign would be coming up, for he would've been drafted to run for the senate in that state. instead, some real hard-liners with some really, really extreme views on this stuff have gone in place.

the problem is, and i think this is something that democrats should bear in mind, as they think about the candidates who they helped. doug mastriano in pennsylvania, for example. his opponents spent many fold more money on his campaign to boost mastriano, to get a kook through the primary, then mastriano spent on his own campaign. in a good year for republicans, right now, it's a better year for democrats than before. it's still not a good year for democrats, but the tide has turned a little bit. if that were to shift, you could see these really, really extreme people taking over key positions in swing states, which would put them there in 2024. >> cnn and a lot of other organizations have been pulling on the issue, as you know, since the 2020 presidential election, poll after poll, you see anywhere between 50% to 70% of republicans who believe the election was stolen from the former president. the main reason seems to be simply because he tells them that it was stolen, despite no evidence and despite all the evidence contrary. do you think there's anything that can be said or shown to those people at this

point to change their minds? >> well, look, there are, i think you have to divide that group out a little bit. i have sincere, it's a danger, i have sincere sorrow for the people who are truly duped, right? they are people who are truly, truly duped and they've been snookered. there's a lot of cynical republicans and grifters on the right who took advantage of those people, and have taken them for a fairly well amount of money. then there are those grifters, then there's this other group. these are the folks who resent being told, again, and again, about this, they don't like hearing about, it they don't like to hear from here, they didn't like it when the team that i was part of called arizona, they don't like it and they are resentful of it. those people are the, those are persuadable people. those people have to be made to understand about two things. number one, they their duty to the republic and the system. but number two, that if they keep up like this, their party is going to be relegated to sideline status and coop

status, and will not be competitive in states where it should be competitive. >> to you, what is the republican primary in 2024 look like, if the former president does, indeed, run again? for some reason, i feel like he's not going to. i don't base that on anything, it's just a feeling. but all the evidence says contrary. do you think he will walk away with it or do you think someone like desantis or -- crews could actually give him a fight? or would he even try, if he was running? >> i don't know about ted cruz. josh hawley certainly is thirsty enough to give it a shot. desantis is formidable. here's the thing about trump this time versus last time. it doesn't matter whether trump has declared or not declares the thing about trump's, he's the front farther to the republican nomination in 2024 and until he says otherwise, right? until he says, i'm definitely not running, let's just assume that he is, right? because if it walks like a candidate and it quacks like a candidate, is probably a candidate. trump is in a different position, certainly, then he was as an incumbent in

2020. but he is darn well and a different situation that he is in 2016. in 2016, trump didn't carry the kind of baggage that he does out. he could change his mind, changes to inform day-to-day. this time, i've said that he's a little bit like a maga jeb bush. he's got a lot of priors that he has a drag around about the 2020 election. he's got all these candidates who he's endorsed. he has all this inventory that he's got to move. so, he doesn't have the kind of flexibility. the other thing, and i think it's most significant, this is, you know, what i was talking about in my book, he's not that entertaining anymore. in 2016, he was fascinating, right? you couldn't help but watch donald trump as he simulated attempted murder onstage in fort dodge, iowa. that was hard to not watch. now i think we've seen most of the inventory, so i think he will function as a different kind of person. >> he's now the boring guy at the bar who doesn't drink, but he seems drunk and just keeps talking about the same stuff over and over again. no one wants to listen to it. >> i think there are a lot of republicans who don't like, didn't like the search warrant at mar-a-lago, don't like when people pick on trump, don't like that stuff, but we also

don't want him to run again because they know that the country, if faced with the biden versus trump again, that they would more likely make the same decision again and that trump is a liability. he sort of liquid clinton, the trumps are turning into the clintons for the democratic party. they can't shake them and there was enough of a core constituency there that they drag them around, and it could be a decades-long problem for republicans, depending on how it goes. >> chris stirewalt, the book is broken news, why the meteorite machine divides america and how to fight back. i've just started it, it's really good. i look forward to talking to you more about it, because i think it's such an important topic. thanks very much for being with us. >> thanks so much. >> there's potentially significant new developments just in right now, in the georgia 2020 election criminal investigation. specifically, the prosecutor now wants to go before the grand jury -- joins us now. what are you learning of it? >> well anderson, the district attorney there in fulton county,

georgia, is calling on mark meadows to appear before the special grand jury. that is investigating the efforts to overturn the georgia election results in 2020. obviously, this is a significant move by the da. meadows was very, very central to the former presidents efforts to try to organize efforts to remain in power with fake electors, to try to get states to overturn their election results, and, you know, a part of what she says here is that he is a significant witness to the efforts by donald trump to overturn those election results. she's calling for him to testify on september 27th, and, you know, obviously, meadows was involved, he talked to members of the georgia legislature. he was on the phone when the former president was pressuring the secretary of state there in georgia to find the exact number of votes in order to overturn joe biden's

victory in georgia. we know he was also pressuring the justice department, anderson, to say that there was significant fraud in georgia, even though, of course, the justice department had no evidence of that. we also know, according to politico, that a couple of other important people who were involved in this effort have also been called to testify as significant witnesses before the special grand jury. one of them is sydney powell, who was one of the presidents, former president's lawyers involved in this whole scheme, and the former army colonel, james phil -- is also being called to testify, according to politico. but meadows is obviously a big name. he was the chief of staff of the former president and central to those efforts by the former president, to try to find a way to remain in power. >> yeah, just that information -- cnn's evan perez, thank so much, appreciated. up next, last hour, president biden gave some of his sharpest critics of the republican party, suggesting they've gone too far, predicting the end of, quote, extreme maga philosophy. we will have the details on what will have the details on what he said ahead.

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moments ago in maryland, president biden wrapped up remarks having his recent legislative winds, taking

swipes at republicans, and kicking off his mentored campaigning, calling voters to action. >> your right to choose is on the ballot this year. the social security you paid for from the time you had a job is on the ballot. the safety of your kids and gun violence is on the ballot. and it's not hyperbole. the very survival of our planet is on the ballot. your right to vote is on the ballot. even the democracy, are you ready to fight for these things now? >> prior to his speech, he spoke with a group of democratic donors. he told them, they were seeing, quote, are the beginning or the death knell of an extreme maga philosophy. almost immediately, he said that entire philosophy, and i'm quoting the president here, it's like semi fascism. this comes as a democrats believe they've regained some momentum, thanks to recent

legislative victories. the supreme court's ruling on abortion and it went to key congressional races, among other reasons. joining me now, democratic strategist and co-host of the politics war room progress, james carville. he was also the chief presents for president clinton's 1992 campaign. so james, you hear the president tonight. what do you make of this idea that he knows democrats by way of the legislative victories in congress, -- outrage over the overturning of roe v. wade, are in a much better midterm position right now. is that true? >> yes, that's undeniably true. we've had elections in nebraska, kansas, minnesota, new york state, we actually had to in new york state -- was just as impressive as new york 19. now, how much -- you've seen an uptick in the polling for democrats. undoubtedly, we are in better shape than we were on june 15th. whether that stays, i don't know. i'm hoping it

does, but, you know, i'm like a lot of people. i thought we were pretty close to being -- in the early summer, now we are very much in the middle of. it >> i mean, it's crazy how quickly themes seemed to turn around or shift direction, which obviously means they can shift, i guess, the other way again, given the time before the election. if you were running -- of the democratic parties midterm efforts right now, how would you try to keep momentum going? >> i would talk about the extremism. it's not in the -- it was extremism on the gun case, it was extremism on the climate case. you have all these counties making these hugely extreme statements, and i think president biden was on to something there, and they were probably going to -- have the benefit of the doubt. people said, well gee, they did this, they will really do something else, and he's right about those securities. rick scott talks about -- social security, head of the republican senate committee. ron johnson spoke favorably about it. so, these are issues that we thought that people would not touch, but they are touching on them now, and we've

got to be sure that they pay a price for it. >> as we said, the abortion issue appears to be energizing democratic voters. there is reportedly been a surge of voter registration among women. we also have the search of mar-a-lago, firing up excitement on the republican base. do democrats risk getting overconfident? because if you look at exit polls from elections past, abortion has not, you, know been up in the top echelon of what issues have been voting on. >> -- i worry my bald head about of lot of things. democratic over competence is not one of them. democrats run -- okay? every time they catch me in the airport or something else. but i don't think we have anything to be over confident about. but i do think that compare to a few months ago, we do have something to feel better about. it's a long way to go, there is a lot of football between, you know, early november. >> there's also the historical precedent of the the party in power usually loses seats in the midterm. >> right, absolutely. >> and president biden, himself, -- low approval ratings.

>> he does, but somehow it's untied and i think gallup now has retired he's been in the last year, thank god. i think he deserves it. but i don't know, it's kind of weird because president biden's approval hadn't figured into some of these recent elections that we've seen around the country. and i was pretty gratified to see what happened in new york state. i thought, well, maybe it's a windy midwest -- but apparently it's not. there is a lot of energy and people don't like to have rights taken away from them. >> what do you think about the student loan forgiveness plan? chuck schumer, elizabeth warren are celebrating the plan. more moderate democrats in the midwest are already trying to distance themselves from it. i mean, a historic move like that, is it worth the political gamble? >> he promised that he would do something during the campaign. he won it by 7 million votes, all right? it's not like he had not talked about, it he hadn't discussed it, he hadn't promise that he would do something. you know, it's a complicated issue, but i think it's highly -- i'm

not an expert on this. a large portion of it is going to go to people who really needed, who really strapped with this that and hope will give them a little bit of relief. i hope it works. >> james carville, appreciated. you and your bald head, thank you. >> not too worried about democratic overconfidence. >> it's always good to talk to you. >> thank you, anderson. >> coming up, last week cnn's gary -- introduces some of the migrants who written those free buses out of texas that have anchor democratic officials in new york and d. c.. he caught up with some of them again to hear how they were doing now. so, i've asked my wife and plan member, to back me up. you're not my wife. no, i just stand in for her on set during the boring stuff. the boring stuff? are you kidding, i'm announcing a family plan where just two lines gets everyone the $15 price. i'm literally revolutionizing the category! yeah, she owes me huge for this one. can you please let her know i'm upset? really? no. don't tell her i said that.

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new york officials say a record number of asylum seekers arrived from bus by texas on wednesday. at least 237, compared to just 13 on the first bus, about three weeks ago. controversial program was -- texas governor, some as a public dig at president biden's immigration policies. officials in new york and washington, d. c., where the buses are also headed, have said, texas is forcing migrants on buses. texas officials say, no, it's voluntary. last week, our gary tuchman decided to talk to the people who are on the buses. he spoke with some of the migrants about why they are here and learned there were more than happy to get on one

of the buses, to the northeast. we asked garrett to stay on the story, so we caught up with some of the same people a week later. here's what he found. >> about with mostly venezuelan migrants in the jungle in panama, the man behind the child is juan bilodeau. he's trying to get to america with his brother and cousin. we met that brother, luis pulido, and the cousin -- last week at a shelter on the border in eagle pass, texas, where luis had just received the horrible news that his brother haunts body had been recovered in the rio grande near eagle pass. one had drowned in the final minutes of their two month journey. while they were on swimming across the river to texas. one week later, after a tragic and traumatizing trip, they are now a living in chicago, where they hope to start a new life, minus the poverty and violence they say they experience in venezuela. until a short time ago, they had never been out of south america. >> luis saez, chicago is very pretty, very peaceful, very

beautiful. [end of translation] both cousins took a 42-hour ride and one of the buses provided by texas's governor wants migrants to go elsewhere. they rode from eagle pass to washington, d. c., and then managed to get to chicago, where they have family. this would've been haunts 27th birthday. luis says, his legacy is honored by them now being in america. >> [interpreter] he says, his sacrifices were not in vain. he's in our hearts. everyone knew he was an excellent human being. he is here with us, even though he did not have a cape, he was a superhero. [end of translation] has two brothers who are already here in the u. s. and have part time jobs. they were able to get -- in a small apartment that's shared with others. the two men have wives and children in venezuela, whom they hope to be able to bring your sunday. >> do you have any money? [speaking spanish] >> no, senior. >> do you have any clothes? nothing, not. both -- and luis

surrender to u. s. border patrol when they arrived, to receive documentation to declare they've been paroled into the united states and are required to show up in court to attend their immigration court hearings into weeks. they both say, they will. we followed them as they went to a mexican restaurant close to their apartment, asking the owner about the possibility of working there. the restaurant owner, saying, we don't have anything now. give me your names and telephone numbers, and we will let you know when we do. but owner, alicia castro, whose father emigrated from mexico, knows she can't legally employ them without a work permit, which you can't get if you have not had your asylum request approved by the immigration judge. >> i wish i could take them right now, with all my heart, but unfortunately i cannot at the moment. >> so for now, -- and luis will share one bedroom and to mattresses with three other men. and hope that one day, they and their families back in venezuela all become americans. when i tell him that many americans are very critical

that so many migrants are allowed into this country, i near says, [interpreter] i think everyone has their own judgment. we are all different people, different cultures and nationalities. but we are not all bad people. most of us are good. and they say, no one was better than juan, whose example they will try to follow every day there in america. >> sadly, anderson, juan's body is still in texas in a funeral home. his whole family wants his body sent a venezuela. it's very expensive and they don't have money. the family here is talking to migrant advocates here in chicago, trying to get some tips on how to make that happen. in addition, the family members who've been here for a couple years, have part time jobs, are trying to work more hours to make some money and they are trying to raise money. juan has left behind two small children in venezuela. anderson? >> gary tuchman, i appreciated. thank you. we will be right thank you. we will be right back. steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes.

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