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welcome back to seen in tonight, don lemon is off tonight, i am still lura coats, who could know that the greatest legal crisis donald trump might face darted as his administration was out the door, not the january 6 insurrection mind you, the work of the select committee, is not done there yet, but the move that will never be forgotten, all those boxes sent to mar-a- lago, classified documents mix into documents like the ones that movers hauled off the truck into his resort compound, miles from where they were supposed to be as he returned, willingly or not, to civilian life. seems like this get a small mention in the 38 page affidavit written by an anonymous fbi agent, to make the case, and being kept confidential. for their safety of course, the

bureau as you know faces growing threats. what can we now read among the many reductions, showing me much longer fears about just how supersecret the documents are supposed to be and how sloppily at best the government appears to believe they were handled by trump and his people once the papers got to mar-a- lago. that is at best. it also warns, there's also probable cause to believe that evidence of obstruction will be found at the premises. jessica snyder has been poring over the documents and joins me here tonight. what are the biggest takeaways. there is a lot there,>> exactly, we got a lot of new details here, intricate details talking about what they found in these 15 boxes, that the national archives received retreat in january, different from the warrant on august 8,

was notable, 14 of the 15 boxes they retreat in january contain this classified information, and they broke down force the types of classified information. broken down with 184 unique documents bearing the classification markings in that include 67 listed is confidential, 92 marks secret, 25 march top-secret. what was particularly alarming to intelligence experts who looked at this, is the markings on some of these documents, indicating how highly sensitive and how specifically classified they were. i'm going to run through some of them so our viewers can see these markings. first of all the top three. orcon, so sensitive that the originator, they have to give permission to give it and get it released. and hcs, particularly alarming

knowing that it was in an unsecured area, this pertains to human intelligence, information from these human sources that if anything gets out and is known, they could be in danger, they could be at risk. and noforn, cannot be shared with entities without permission including allies. it shows you how some -- highly sensitive these documents were in the boxes, not only that, and the archives talked about when they referred it to the doj, how mismanaged they were, 15 boxes not only filled with classified information but all sorts of other things, like records and notes. this is what the archives told doj when they first referred this. they said those boxes contain newspapers and magazines, printed news articles, photos, miscellaneous printouts, notes, presidential correspondence, all types of things, along with

a lot of classified records, the most significant concern they said was highly classified records were unfolded and intermixed with other records and otherwise improperly identified. quite simply it was a big mess with no caretaking at all, to the highly sensitive information the boxes contained. >> the idea being treated like it's a junk drawer, you pulled out and every thing flying around, i want to note one of the words used, unique documents, taken with a talking point that it is all these pages of one long document, these are separate things, thrown together in different ways. i know you have a hold of other things we will get to later on the program, that relates to when trump is supposed to respond, the special master, the request is made and made the motion, we will come right back to that as well, and the chance to get through it in a really good way. and a deeper dive analysis, bradley moss, national security lawyer, john wood, former u.s.

attorney and senior investigator for the generations committee and phil mudd, a former cia counterterrorism official, nice to have you here. gentlemen, you heard just go talk about just the alphabet soup and the idea of this being stuffed in different places like almost a junk drawer, phil, when you hear about the classifications on the markings, summit levels that are not supposed to even go to allies let alone just be put with a post-it note somewhere in a box somewhere down in florida, what is your reaction? >> there are couple of things, chaos and the chaos in of administration that did not want to accept the election laws. when i saw the stories about the number of boxes, 15 boxes, 14 of them had classified documents, my take away was the president did not want to accept the election results obviously, in the final days of his presidency, someone went around the white house made the over office said everything from, pronouncing it to

unclassified documents, everything along with classified stuff. total chaos that reflects a transition where the president said i don't want to go. then you go to the other end, at mar-a-lago, what i learned, the things i learned from the report today was how the stuff was stored. i assumed it was in one room that was at least recently secured, that was not the take away i had from the report today. multiple rooms, lack of security, the chaos of a transition where the president wanted to deny the election and the lack of interest. i don't even think there's a strategy, the lack of interest in mar-a-lago, saying i just don't care, that's what i take away. >> that notion, brad, you're an attorney that specializes in security clearance law, you know these classifications like the back of your hand i'm assuming and i know is the case, the fact of this would be so carelessly handled, first of all, a lot is made about the different levels and the laws that might be implicated, the

mere possession is likely to be enough in some respects to talk about it, what would it be like for the average person who would have the sort of jambalaya of a junk drawer happening? what would be the consequences and what you fear for those clients? >> for normal individual who has had a security clearance, they wouldn't get 18 months to return things, they would not have these accommodations made for them, the clearances would've been yanked. donald trump never held a security clearance and never proper training on how to handle classified darkness, the only time he had access will when he became president and got told you can do whatever you want, you can classify or declassify whatever you want and handle them however you want. he never had to care about these rules that the rest of us have had to comply with>> but wait brad, if he was never known and might be ignorant to the fact does that protect him? because no, the i'm too dumb to realize how this works is not going to be a defense for him.

what is critical here and why this became a criminal matter is not just that he took the documents to mar-a-lago and they were sitting there, if that's all it was and then he returned at all without a fight, they would never been a criminal matter, no harm no foul, why this became a problem is because he had the documents, he got told more than once you can have them there, they had to keep fighting with him to get him to turn them over and he started to relocating them according to the affidavit, they are finding them in his personal residence in his office, personal office, relocating the records. he could not do that, that is why he is in potential trouble. >> john, they call it the 45 office at mar-a-lago, initially when this all came out that there'd been a surge a conversation about the idea, the broken different things and might have a privilege issue and looking at everything, the affidavit, a privilege team. attorney client privilege team, and the investigative unit, and they could anticipate undermined it, and the

privileges that there were something there. and you and i have conversations. not addressed in the f affidavit. and the motivation. why did they have them. why did he think they had them. and waddy still one with a tell you you can have.>> and it's really bizarre, it's not answered in the unredacted parts, of the affidavit. the fbi, the evidence of why donald trump did this in the first place, was he just being sloppy, or did he want to do something with the documents, there is no reason why he would have these documents. and maybe they are aware, and

the umbrella term classification, and never having seen them carry documents, carry bags and suitcases and boxes. do you have questions about who might've been assisting them. to maintain this. simply on donald trump as to why he had them and why he was able to collect and retain them?>> heck no, my focus is on the people around him. i don't think the president will be prosecuted if you want my bottom-line from the phil mudd university of law, which i wouldn't suggest going to, the people around him have got to have some good lawyers, number 1, who was a lawyer who signed the document that says there's nothing left here? did you either not know there were documents there, in other words you sign a document that said whatever? or did you know when you lied? questions about who covered

this up, and recollect that the fbi has asked for the videos from mar-a-lago, who had access and took documents in or out, including especially people who had access we were not cleared? i think there's a lot of vulnerability for the people around the president, especially people who either lied about knowing whether the document is there or day people access when people weren't cleared for access. really basic questions. >> one of the acronyms we haven't talked about is cya, i think about sources, was able to provide information and what are they concerned with. and the basis. and fearful, they might be accused. and film. jessica schneider right now, another legal front in the

investigation. >> coming in moments ago. and the response from the trump team. and earlier this week, fell in florida. for a special master. and what they did accent two weeks later. a third party appointed to sift through the documents that presumably the fbi has been sifting through for 2+ weeks separating the materials, over concerns of attorney-client privilege and executive privilege. a little muddy, and any criminals that would've pertaining to executive print privilege, they pertained to national defense information, and classified material. >> if you see it you can't unring the bell, can't be unseen to have the supper team

go and prevented. >> that is what the trump team wanted. when they filed the initial paperwork in court, the judge was pretty biting and saying you didn't do this remotely and look on the courts website, it will show you how to properly file this and she said i'm not even sure what you're asking for, give me some the legal basis. and dealing with the search warrant. tells team has come back, with the filing, a swimming a bit more to the judge exactly the basis for the west, however laura, you're an attorney and i am, i don't practice in the southern district of florida, i'm not good with motions practice but i'm pretty sure this actually did not satisfy with the judge was asking for. this doesn't cure the deficiencies procedurally that this judge had talked about. is still just a motion whereas they should've filed it in connection with a search warrant or something completely

different, maybe trying to get an injunction or something to that effect, this is a lengthy document, they lay out some of their arguments, but i'm still not sure this is going to do the trick for the judge, one note however, it was noted that to the lawyers previously had not gone through the right admission procedures in florida, it does seem that they corrected that and they have now admitted in florida. >> to be in front of the court. for the audience, thinking about emotion, it's asking the court, to move to do something in part of the procedural deficiencies before were they were saying, as part of the news release and press release, saying that. and reasonable search and seizure, normally you have to say, only a defendant. before that happens. and even meeting any other criteria, we will have to see,

it was due at midnight, it's here a couple hours early, thank you jessica. looking at what republicans are saying about the affidavit, as trump considers capitalizing politically on the search by maybe launching a 2024 bid. is that really next, we will see next.

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the redacted affidavits shaking the legal and political world has most of us may be seeing black, maybe seeing red

for donald trump and president biden, he probably thought he had seen it all until he heard that trump claimed he declassified all those documents at mar-a-lago. today president biden offered his most expensive comments and mocking ones yet on the topic. >> and he said he declassified all these documents, he just declassified the mall. >> i want to know, i've declassified everything in the world, i'm president, i can do that, come on. >> a specialized area with the classified documents, is it ever appropriate for a president to bring classified documents out? >> depends on the document and how secure it needs to be.>> former democratic senator doug jones, and doing her work for ted cruz, alice, and from the national review, let me start with you, you don't think he should've likely should've engage in this way, ramesh, president biden, it might in your to the benefit whether you

like it or not, to donald trump, trump has actually raised millions off of the fbi searched, the contributions topped $1 million in the days after the search .they compare some point, up from 200,000 per day to $300,000 per day and is political committee has raised over $100 million broadly since he left office, is a part of the reason why you would've thought biden, this is not for you. >> the more important thing is to restore the norm, which was part of the problem of the demonstration that had eroded, we don't get the president involved in this day-to-day investigations, the things and investigations that are pending. but is no question that this has strengthened trump's hand with the republican party, ever since the raid happened in the search, which term you prefer, helped boost his standing within the republican party.

>> the rater the search as per the talking point. >> i just got another thing, wanting more, and i am talking the democrats. >> and demonstration credit, plausible deniability from the beginning, and i believe, they didn't know the rain was going on, that's a good place to be. and the former president, is under such intense scrutiny. and maintaining the level of distance, i, you refer every question to the doj and the if vi. >> is at realistic, if you do, if you don't if you're quiet, i wonder why biden is not saying anything, there must be something there, talking points, what is redacted. under these the black line.>> what's in the box, what's

underneath it.>> friday night. doug jones, what you think, it would have been over for him not to say anything. the american people appreciate that. getting involved. and i've known joe biden for long time. and he was to say a lot more. that just came out. you will see that, not that it's that big a deal, i totally agree, this is something he should let go and let the department of justice do their job and let the chips fall where they go to fall, and raising money, there raising money off of all these things, a political situation for everybody, and it's unfortunate. not just a singular issue.

and he has and something. and 70 something days from the midterm elections. and the endorsements are in the things are, republicans are not willing to engage, and trying to distance myself, and have a difficult needle to thread, the election lies are one thing, i have to agree that the fbi search was problematic, otherwise i have problems. >> a lot of people got way ahead of their skis on this and assumed this was an overreach in a witchhunt and prosecutorial overreach. now we are seeing more and finding out more, and maybe not so much. >> people coming back. a lot of republicans are. >> a lot of new cycles. [ laughter ] speak a lot of republicans are keeping their

cards closer to the vest these days. they really want to see what is there to be seen. a little disappointed with the affidavit. with so much of it being redacted, understanding the methods and sources need to be protected but they wish there was a little bit more transparency in answers to come out, maybe we'll see this will resolve trump's putting out the appeal for the special master, we should get more information out of that.>> it was fear for republicans to say that the bar has to have been high and that they needed to have real evidence, and adopt a wait-and- see posture with the high bar, a lot of them felt the incentive to go way further than just saying that, on the rejections, one thing that is interesting, and a lot of republicans, revoked his top supporters.

and sluggishly response, and most to agree. and the justice department, the original warrant. they had been sluggish at any stage. >> three dashes and i just department of justice, suggestions by the department of justice, this is the courts reductions, the independent branch of government that redacted this, the end of the day, all the doj was charged to do and all they did was make suggestions, at the judge's order, they made suggestions. it's the judge you redacted this. and i think it's a go forward, democrats have to keep talking about this, you have to keep reminding any to challenge their opponents, what is your position on this now, how has it changed and by the way, do you think donald trump violated his constitutional duties before during and after january 6, and tie all this a little bit together, even the clearly the one thing that hasn't been

talked about very much your laura, the florida case seems to be standing on its own, and the really important thing is that it is in the early stages, that is something. >> not necessarily, a probable cause base and we don't yet know what is in the documents, we have the categories but what is in them, the meat on the bone truly, doug jones, stewart, and ramesh. think very much. >> in the student loan forgiveness plan, joining with the expert look at numbers, what they mean for all of us taxpayers. the rough ride on wall street. down more than now, 1000 today. coming right back. ♪ does it get better than not parallel parking yourself? ♪ alexa ask smartfeed to feed the dog. does it get better than feeding your dog from 50 miles away? yes... it does. at buick we see a future that's even better.

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points after federal reserve chair jerome powell said he expense continued rate hikes to tame inflation.>> while higher interest rates slower growth and softer labor market conditions will bring down inflation they will also bring some pain to household and businesses.>> joined me now, the economic commentator, when you hear that, most people hear that, some pain they wonder what does he mean. what will it mean for america's pocketbooks?>> i think with the chair of the federal reserve was trying to tell markets was the fed is laser focus, committed to getting inflation down, even if it is painful. the reason why he was to hammer home that message is he doesn't want markets to think the fed will lose its nerve, if there is a plunge in the stock market as there was today, they won't get spooked and say maybe we are tightening too quickly, one

month of data, so the lc reference, this morning, relatively good or encouraging inflation data will not be enough to get them to stop there laser focus on getting inflation down. it's really important for them to credibly convince markets that's what they're doing, because otherwise there is a fear that people will continue to expect higher inflation. a self fulfilling prophecy, they are tough and hawkish, may be that will mean they don't have to be quite as tough going forward.>> all people heard there's going to be pain, you think about the nuance, there might be pain but you know what, it might be a painful reaction by someone it came to student debt relief, i want to go there, this is been a big debate around the country about student debt and the forgiveness plan laid out by

president biden, and you're handling it is something very beneficial and great for so many people and it likely will be but you argue to kind of slow down a little bit. what is your thought? >> so my basic thought is there are a lot of americans who are struggling under the very difficult burden of student loans, people for example who were defrauded by fly-by-night for-profit universities or they enrolled in some so the post secondary program took on debt but they never got the degrees so they never get the payoff of the debt, or they got a degree that is considered basically worthless by the labor market, there never going to be able to earn enough to pay back loans, those are definitely people we should be helping but however, the way the plan is structured involves helping a lot of other people who probably don't need assistance, people like a recently graduated nba, the last couple of years did not have much earnings but about to

start investment banking job, they're going to get 10 grand, relatively modest earners right now, and plastic surgeon residency, 60 or $70,000 but a couple of years will make $400,000, however beneficial the work is to the world, however much they might deserve the salary, probably doesn't need the same level of help. but>> on the notion, i can hear the retorts coming now, okay it's about entitlement and who deserves to be benefiting and who might have a windfall, look at corporate america, all the time they're getting benefits, they don't need it compared the little guy, how do you respond? >> just because there is a wasteful use of money and one part of government policy doesn't justify it in another part. resources are finite, if we

have learned nothing from the last couple of years it is that the government can't just spend exponentially, and we should expect no consequences for the economy. a text i spent on one thing is one that cannot be spent on something else. i know people don't always think that way but that's how it works in the long run. this will have to be paid for by someone, essentially a transfer to people who went to college by people who didn't go to college, it's a transfer to 30 million americans from about 300 million americans, and again some of them are really struggling but not all of them, i wish the plan were much more targeted than it actually is and it could have been much less expensive than it is, the ballpark estimates from the penn warden budget model, $600 billion if there is no behavioral change and possibly $1 trillion at the end up taking more debt as they are

likely to do because of the way the plan is structured. >> the arguments are coming in but remember obviously, even debtholders are also taxpayers. catherine, thank you so much. >> thank you.>> nasa is getting rid of the party like it is 1969. sorry about that, it is kind of funny. launching the first flight to the moon in decades. the excitement is building. the astronaut about the new era for space travel and the prospect of humans going back up there next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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the countdown is on, this is what nasa's massive artemis rocket on the launchpad right now looks like at the kennedy space center, ready to blast off towards the moon this

coming monday. the unmanned test mission is one giant leap for the plan to put america's back in the moon for the first time in half a century. now to discuss, retired astronaut leland melvin, one exciting time for so many people, can you put this in perspective, and what this might mean?>> thank you. and it is a really historical moment, the last time so many walked on the moon was 1972, december 14, and now going back to the moon, 8.8 million pounds of thrust, the largest rocket ever made, going around the moon for 42 days and we will have artemis one, the first untrue test mission, artemis 2 and 3, maybe the first person of color and the first woman walking on the martian surface,

something that all kids through all zip codes can think of themselves being part of this artemis generation. >> just for the record audience, even though we have matching colors on, i'm not the black woman that might be on the moon. >> you never know laura. >> i might do it. and you know what, and why is it so important. such a critical part of the general expiration. why has it taken so long, since the last time somebody was on the moon?>> a good question, so important, we as human beings for our dna, we are wired to be explorers, looking at the night sky and we say what's up there, we have the curiosity, as we continue to explore past the home planet it helps take care of the home planet, new technologies and looking at ways to mitigate radiation. it could come down on our

planet one day, if things go awry with climate change, way to take care of the home planet by continuing to explore off the planet. it has taken so long because there was a war in vietnam, we kicked up the program with sending people to the international space station, continuing that until 2030, exploration is past the home planet, and maybe one day in mars and working on another planet, the images from the james webb telescope. understanding what happened to the big bang. what was that like, and the more we explored and the more we learned about ourselves, that is critically important.>> it makes me so excited, it is what we think about terms of what is out there and what we

will find out, every person at heart, somebody who's not, thinking about the different ways of what he could mean, thinking about the images, versus this, we expected to have the turnaround we might learn? a timeline of what you might be able to glean from these journeys? >> definitely laura. when you go past your comfort zone, you find ways to solve problems that you probably would never have figured out if you had been there, and the moon say, figure out how to build a habitat, how to harvest water from the lunar soil, how you keep yourself warm and cool, all these things we have to solve. these manikins on the vehicle, learning to how to mitigate radiation, outfitted. test with the dummies.

and solving these other problems, that's the critical part and getting your kids excited, think about that. you might have the little one saying i'm going to go to the moon one day where i'm going to mars one day, to light the curiosity in our children, all of them. this is mission possible for them, another critical piece when we explore. speakers so important but my kids they might make their beds, i might send them to the moon, if it'll make their beds, you know i'm talking about, it's so important, in court and see you in the position herein, to be the ambassador of the expiration, to see it and get excited what we are seeing, exploration in real time, will you be watching, what are you going to be, what's the watch party going to be like? >> talking to another person like yourself during the 730-to

30 hour. a talking head like this. so excited when it lifts off. and make me get another chance. and off to the moon maybe one day.>> i will do the whole thing, and it's been a pleasure to speak with you in particular. >> thank you. >> from a rocket to a booster. the next covid booster could be days away from authorization. will do anything to curb the rebound cases we are seeing and how effective is paxlovid? we will get insight next.

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in a matter of days, a coronavirus booster targeting the oma kron variant could be authorized for americans within days, the if the ace is the

decision affected next week, was it mean for you, let's talk with a epidemiologist, doctor mcmichael poster home, and research and policy at the university of minnesota. dr. osteholm, how much protection will this give people? >> first of all we have to understand that is a big difference between having a vaccine and the vaccination, it should be obvious to everyone but right now the highest risk for serious illness and dying is and those over 65, second, 50 to 64 in those age groups only about 25% of those over 65 have received 2 booster doses to date at 11% of 50-64, the new vaccine which can be helpful is not going to do much if we can't get the rate of vaccination increased substantially and that has been a big challenge.>> tell me about rebound cases and

paxlovid, what is the correlation quick >> we have not fully understood the role that paxlovid plays, we talked about if you take it you have a rebound or you get in the sense a second set of symptoms, some days after appearing to recover, you're right, it is happening, but two recent studies that show that 30% of people who don't ever take paxlovid also have rebounds, the same clinical picture, to say that paxlovid is causing that is a real stretch, and we know that they can be very effective in those over 65 in keeping you out of the hospital and getting serious illness and dying, it's important that we continue to recommend it, don't be distracted by the rebound issue, it may not be even part of the picture. >> it could be incidental. >> thank you, fsu, many kids going back to school and there

was an elementary student in georgia who tested positive for monkeypox, impacting adults, how concerned should parents be in the general population?>> the cases will be primarily occurring among men who have sex with men with multiple partners and anonymous partners, rarely we will see contact occurring between someone's arms and a child or bedsheets or a towel, you might have transmission but very rare. i think within the next several weeks will see a major reduction in monkeypox amongst all groups including men who have sex with men. >> the effective everyone thinking about all the different things happening right now. it's important to think about what's ahead, going into another fall season, flu season, discussions about flu shots as you said so

eloquently, the difference with the vaccine and the vaccination, if you're also taking them in following with the science, dr. osterholm, thank you so much. >> thank you laura. >> the news continues next on cnn.

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