and a big development tonight secret service director tony ornato has left the agency. that is according to two sources. this coming just to -- testify that ornato had told her then that president trump had told her that he was at irate with his security detail in the wouldn't take him to the captain general. six special watergate prosecutor nick akerman. good evening to one and all if

i can get my lips to work tonight i'll be able to have to get some questions. how are you doing, good to see you. carrots i wanna get your reaction to the news that tornado is leaving the secret service. any of location for the january six investigation? >> well this figure is one who has been controversial within the secret service for sometime. and his departure from the secret service comes just as the january six commission now has him in their sights. this is a moment of some transition for the secret service. just in the last couple of days. president biden has appointed a new director as director james murray stepping down and retiring himself. so, i think we are seeing a lot of questions about the role of the secret service, right now. they are tied to president trump. and what the loyalty some of the agents within that agency

has been and was certainly in those hours around january 6th. >> nick 20 or not it was mentioned during a key part of cassidy hutchinson's january six testimony. take a listen we will talk about it. >> the president said something to the effect of i am the effing president take me up to the capitol now. >> to which bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engel grabbed his arm and said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we are going back to the west wing. we are not going to the capitol. >> mr. trump then used his free hand to lunge towards bobby engle. and when this or not a had recounted the story to me he had motion towards his clavicle's. >> so, i need to remind everyone that before

hutchinson's testimony ornato met with the january 6th select committee. behind closed doors. now that he has no longer -- now that he's no longer with the secret service can he be compelled to appear again? >> while he certainly can be subpoenaed and compelled to appear again. i think, the real question is, whether or not he's going to cooperate and testify. or assert his fifth amendment privilege against self incrimination. don't forget the key piece that ornado really knows about is whether the secret service had saved up to take mike pence at the capitol. after the rioters came. and there is a request there is a car in the back of the capital, ready to take him away from the capital. which is exactly what donald trump wanted to have happened. in order to stop this vote on the electoral college from going forward. so, that is probably one of the

most key pieces of evidence that this individual can provide. the question is, once he's out on his own is he going to get council and will it advise him to a centrally assert his fifth amendment privilege? >> now on the other hand, is also in a position where he could be provided with immunity. either by the committee, or by the department of justice. so he could be forced to testify. and that is where this all may end up at some point. >> ron, what about the relationship between ornato and trump? how much could he know? >> look, i'm going to defer to nick on his point. certainly, he can no allot. and i think that, to me as i was listening to this conversation. we have been so focused on the issue of trump, his handling of classified documents, that the

revelation of january six committee about the breadth of his effort to overturn the election. how much of the federal government was pulled into that. from different agencies and departments. how far it is spreading. all of that, don, has kind of receded into the background. but it will be back again. in september. with the committee. and we are having this night after night debate about whether trump can be indicted for his mishandling of classified documents. you know, the original issue was, is there an indictment out there for his broad role in trying to upend a democrat election. so, to me, this is just a reminder of how broad a range of legal challenges he faces. and how stark a question is for the republican party. is there any behavior that would cause them to either,, step away from him, or imply

that they would impose any constraints on him. if he's reelected again. if he's elected again and so far the evidence of both fronts seems to be. now >> nick, we are learning tonight that the doj is preparing to give a 40 page to trump's response for a special master. to oversee the mar-a-lago documents. who does that tell you, and does trump have a shot here? what do you think? >> i don't think he's really got a shot here. -- >> you don't think he's got a shot? >> i really don't. i think that everybody is kind of hinging their belief on the judges initial reaction. that she might appoint or would appoint a special master. but she also said, at the end of her opinion, that she hadn't decided yet whether to do it. the opinion also asked for information that would have a bearing on that. that is what is the state of the surge at madonna ready. the government responded today, that they looked at everything.

that they segregated certain documents. that could be attorney-client privilege. so, there really is nothing for a special master to do. the whole idea that he will be looking at executive privilege is complete nonsense. executive privilege belongs to the executive branch. it does not belong to trump. after he leaves office. he's lost that battle before the supreme court. so it's kind of crazy you've got a lawyer today who filed something in that court with four individuals that he's recommended to be special master, because they have backgrounds in executive privilege. >> gareth, i want to play something this is lindsey graham's comments and i'll get your response. >> if they try to prosecute president trump for mishandling classified information after hillary clinton set up a server in her basement. they literally would be riots in the streets. >> donald trump, posted

graham's comments on social media. and then tonight, ramp followed up saying that he rejects violence and wasn't calling for violence. the thing is, there's real potential for violence. especially after what we saw on january 6th. is this why the doj has to be so careful in all of this, that they are in a really dangerous position right now? >> yes, but, that is also what lindsey graham and with the presidents trump supporter want us to think. they want this hesitation that the idea of actually applying the law to former president trump would cause so much violence, that donald trump should be allowed to escape without criminal penalty. i mean, it is incredibly dangerous and corrosive action that they are pushing here. this is the equivalent of a mobster saying, really nice country you've got here shame

if something happened to it. i think we need to recognize that these threats of violence are not meant as a warning, they are mentors active intimidation of the normal rule of law. and the normal process of the justice department. >> that is my question to ron brownstein. what is the strategy behind graham and trumpeting out this message we? it's a myth is a threat? isn't it and augment that some of the president supporters would be inclined to defy the rule of law and riot? why is that okay? are they essentially saying that trump supporters are republicans, whoever they're speaking to is inclined to breaking the law and violence? >> clearly, it is not just a threat. for them to cram to predict violence without condemning it except belatedly. it's essentially to invite. you know we have seen in the trump era the boundaries between the republican coalition and far-right forces

in the society that are anti-democratic and see violence as part of the way of advancing their agenda. we've seen those batteries a road and collapse in some cases. just think about the public officials. school board officials, election officials. members of congress who voted to impeach all of them. impeach all of them are now facing a kind of drumbeat of threats of violence that were simply not part of the american experience. in the past. and as we said to before the real group that all of this raises the most pointed issue for is that roughly 20 to 25% of republicans, who see all this as a dangerous direction for the country. i mean, you some republicans reacting with umbrage when president biden said that the maga movement, that he was specific to the back movement was semi fascist. maybe he should've said it was authoritarian. but, the reality is that there is a part of the trump movement

that is clearly willing to subvert democracy, if that's what it takes to impose their values on the rest of the country. the critical question remains. what do republicans who don't share those views do? do they continue to enable those forces at those voices? or like liz cheney, they basically say they are drawing the line and no longer supporting people who are clearly a threat to the basic democratic structure of american society. >> does have a quick question. do you think that the doj will take these potential threats, or potential rides into consideration when deciding charges here? >> no. they are not gonna take it into account. i mean, but they are going to do, they are going to act just as carefully as they acted up until this point. they're gonna go by the facts, they're gonna go by the law they will continue to have the grand jury investigation. the facts warrant an indictment, there's going to be an indictment.

i don't see that this will ever stop this juggernaut from moving along, and directing donald trump and determining whether an indictment is warranted. >> gareth i just want to ask you i saw you nodding your head agreement with what ron was saying over fascism, or something like fascism. do you want to respond, to want to say something? >> i think one of the things that is also important to look at here is a track record. which is, these are not warnings. they aren't intimidation and they are recruitment calls. i mean this movement knows what they all lead to. >> this is beyond the presidents comments. you talk about lindsey graham saying about the president's posting? >> this is donald trump saying, show up on january 6th it will be wild. look, in the hours and days after the fbi search of mar-a-lago they came out attacking the fbi. if that's one of those january

six protesters attempting to attack the fbi field office in cincinnati. they know the call and response here. this is proud boys stand back and stand by. and i think we have to recognize that this track record where they are directly inciting violence. that they know these types of warnings and threats actually lead to. which is their supporters turning those threats into action. >> let's hope it doesn't come to. that thank you very much i appreciate you gentlemen. the intel community doesn't know who might have viewed any new classified material at mar-a-lago. so, so they have to assume everything is compromised? former director of national intelligence weighs in. there he is after the break. so you only pay for what you need. contestants ready? go! only pay for what you need. jingle: liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.

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tonight where learning the intelligence community has been reviewing documents taken from mar-a-lago since may. these are the documents from the box the former president handed over in january. the fbi found 180 documents found a classification marking top secret. according to the filing now this coming as a director of national children's rights, notified lawmakers that her office will conduct a formal david assessment of the classified documents that trump's home. let's bring other former director of national children's, james clapper, he's now cnn

national security analyst. thank you so much, we appreciate you joining us director. so the white house is reiterating tonight that they have nothing to do with this assessment. it is up to the director of national intelligence. and some who used to have been teller job. will you tell us about this process. how long can take you to find out the damage? >> well a couple points i think i need to make. first we don't actually have the causative any of these documents. we have things based on the classification and how potentially dock damaging these documents can be. one a current dni is leading this damage assessment. the first thing i think we will have to be concerned with is kind of the chain of custody of these documents from the time he left the white house, how they're transported to mar-a-lago. and what's the conditions of

retention at mar-a-lago. who had access? the reason i say that is because the one determination when determination would be, who actually had access. who saw these documents. who might have reproduced them. who might have photographed them. >> then there is the potential damage. then you can render and actual damage assessment. but what you really have to do though in the end is a worst-case assumption. that a sophisticated foreign adversary intelligence service got ahold of these documents, and what is it they could potentially glean? so the damage assessment is a formal undertaking under any circumstance. now unfortunately i have some personal experience from overseeing when that was done after edward snowden revelations. where there were thousands and thousands of highly classified

documents. that he purloined. but we don't actually know in most cases, how much of that actually found its way to the russians. was at the price of admission for their harboring him? so i have a similar challenge here except the population of documents is more finite and more limited than it was in the case of snowden. the damage assessment done with stones revelations. >> so i think you're hear you saying. i hear answers for the stone part. it is something the intelligence committee doesn't know who may have assessed these documents at mar-a-lago. they had to assume that everything has been compromised? >> well to me yes you always have to make a worst-case assumption. once these documents are all out of government custody. where the government is not protected. it's not a position to protect these documents they are in areas that don't meet storage requirements for the protection

of the highly sensitive classified information. so that is the worst-case assumption, that you have to make. what is the potential damage that could be done to u.s. intelligence capabilities. that is, we're sources, methods, trade craft, compromise. quebec and very personal in the case of human assets. but hcs or cumin control documents. by the way, that could also be worked on, original control, and no form. so another part to be made here. he's called the alphabet soup caveats are not exactly mutually exclusive. so, again, we can infer that if these fell into the wrong hands. a sophisticated adversary intelligence service. and what they may be able to glean from it. and then mitigation steps need to be taken.

>> you did something that struck me because these documents are out of government protection. documents that need to be protected by our government are no longer being protected by the government. they're in the hands of the former president. the president the president and his allies will say what's the big deal. the presence and what's the big deal there just documents. but what you said really hit home. out of government documents. the longer protected by anyone. >> that's right, that is the challenge here in rendering and damages has meant. when they are out of your control. you have no real good chain of custody. i doubt there any written documentation. no records at mar-a-lago. on who had access or potential access to these documents. so actually, you can follow them if you will. we don't know that. perhaps, investigation be able to determine it. but in the meantime, once they're out of custody, they are not protected properly. in my view, you have to make the worst-case assumption.

u.s. works closely with some key allies -- how could that impact these relationships. do you think it will? >> it could. just as they did posts noted. if allies had an intelligence partnership. with it makes their confidence in our ability to keep secrets a little bit shaky. we have many and intelligent relationships that are not perhaps as close. they can have a chilling effect on foreign governments to share intelligence secrets with us. >> dr. clapper also pleasure, thank you sir. >> thanks for having me don. >> voters turning out in support of reproductive rights. since roe v. wade was overturned.

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have you by cnn's kfile finding arizona senate candidate like master has scrubbed his campaign website of language saying the 2020 election was stolen that is not a whole. that is changed. also gone, controversial

language concerning abortion matters is not the only republican changing his tone. several candidates are altering how they talk about abortion, with primary season showing the issue is motivating factor for voters. here's cnn's camilla. >> mostly people support -- >> republican u.s. senate and children trying to reset the debate over abortion rights. >> i support a ban on very late term and partial birth abortion. most americans agree with that. >> -- digital video drop, masters campaign site script strict anti abortion language. before, masters wrote he is 100% pro-life, calling roe v. wade a horrible decision and listed a series of strict stances on abortion. now, a softer tone. roll went from horrible to a bad decision. words 100% pro-life removed from the section. that list of positions is short of. >> there is no getting around

it that abortion in his particular race is a hot issue for one of those swing coalitions. he has to speak to that issue. being pro-life 100% of the time is not going to get him there. he has to attempt to make that pivot. >> masters's campaign said he remains 100% pro-life, but he's not the only one -- >> >> in michigan -- challenger thom barrett fundraising with the republican primary as 100% pro-life. no exceptions. but over the weekend, his website had listed value section to protect life from conception is now gone. barrett's campaign tells cnn we regularly update the website. >> should all abortions be illegal in this country? >> in iowa's republican primary to represent the third congressional districts. >> all abortions, no exceptions. >> the man in the center, zak won the republican nomination. the incumbent, democratic congresswoman cindy -- turned at primary debate moment into a campaign ad. >> even in the case of rape, even in the case of incest, even if a woman's life is in danger? >> the campaign did not respond

directly to cnn's request for comment on the democratic attacks, but none wrote in an editorial that the ad was false and says while he opposes abortion, we must be compassionate towards both women and unborn children. >> i grown up here. >> the gubernatorial race -- republican nominee scott johnson, a doctor, said this in a radio interview before the primaries. >> if a mother's life is in danger, i think that would have to be a medical consideration and an area for potential exception. >> no exceptions for rape or incest? >> unless a mother's life is in danger. >> now, in the general election, he's calling his previous words

clumsy. >> if i've been clear previously, i want to be clear now. rape and incest along with endangering a mother's mental or physical health are acceptable exceptions. >> it is an animating issue, particularly in very tight congressional senate races where there are lots of college educated white women. and races you're seeing the shifts on abortion. the challenge is on some of these very hot issues, the other campaign keep four seats, meaning they have a website. they have the primary tv ads. >> too dangerous for arizona. >> those receipts are now appearing in general election ads. democratic campaign -- suspect more than $15 million in ads referencing abortions since roe was overturned. -- a chance to energize voters this november. >> kyung lah joins us now. kuyung. there are pivots in politics. especially in general elections where the electorate is different in the making of the primary campaigns, but on an issue like this as essential as abortion the question is can --

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oh my gosh just ten weeks away. ten weeks. from the 2022 midterms. and the post-roe political landscape. it may be changing the comments on lunchtime. cnn telling cnn that republicans who are hoping for a large majority of the house are now adjusting their expectations. joining me now to discuss cnn political commentary is alice stewart and ashley addison. hello hello hello. alice it is only early august. republicans were so confident they were going to take everything. that there is going to be a red wave. they are still pretty confident that they are going to take the house. >> don't be so pessimistic. i'm going to look at it as a glass half full. okay i'm going to look at it from the right side. speaking with the folks at the rnc. recent real clear politics numbers show with regard to the

republican momentum it's actually gone up one point over the past two weeks. there is a trend in the right direction. yes favorable tease for joe biden have gone up. with recent successes. yes there have been some polls that show that the momentum by democrats post-roe v. wade being overturned is positive. but you have to look at other factors as well in terms of where democrats spending their money. how are they spending money? we just heard that the dccc has spent a multi million dollar ad buy in several states and they are concerned that they're not gonna do well in places where joe biden has that traditionally very well in the past. so i'm not gonna throw in the towel. whether not is a huge red wave or not we have to do is pick up four seats. and then we will send it out to pelosi packing. i just went for seats. that is all i want. i don't need a big red wave, i just won four seats so we can take it. just finally 11,000 votes. >> what's say you? >> so, i think dems and

republicans should be really careful. dems can't get too confident right now. >> and relying on traditional politics -- >> here in a new day in age. anything could happen to the next ten weeks i could upset this totally. i've always thought that dems had a better shot at winning then a lot of people in politics. they thought we were going to get plumped over our heads. and now it is not happening that way. the reason why is that people are sick of washington they want things to get. done it doesn't feel like the republican party has a platform for anything. they just don't want anything to get past. they just say no to everything. democrats, now, are passing some bipartisan legislation. some on their own. i think voters are excited about that. dobbs is playing a huge role in this. but it is also gun reform, gas prices are going down, democrats are meeting the needs of people and they're not saying everything is perfect. because that would be lying to voters. voters want belie to. but they aren't giving up. they are fighting for the

american people. >> you have to also realize what's getting pass in washington, right now, our big spending packages. major multi million dollar spending packages. we are in historic inflation. we are entering a recession. republicans, at least have the sense enough to realize we don't need to be continuing to spend money. and if you look at the issues that really motivate voters. a wall abortion has been a top-of-the-line and headlines. when it gets right down to it in the next ten weeks will drive people across middle america are the economic issues crime and inflation. those are what's going to motivate people. democrats are not doing well on any of those things. >> and abortion. and democracy. >> i know that they are passing big spending bills but their bills will actually help people. there are bills to cap medical cost. their bills to lower the insulin. >> the fact they are both are saying you know for publicans. your talk about the issues that when we democrats.

the issue with democrats is that they weren't motivated. but now president biden and democrats are passing legislation that can be motivate democrats. republicans are saying, well you know -- but it is helping a lot of people. there is a point there. do you understand what i'm saying? >> i understand we are saying but it's not quite pan out that way. the inflation reduction act, you asked economists across the board, this is not going to reduce inflation. but democrats are asked, how is this going to reduce inflation? how will this affect my bottom line? they have no answer for it. so, for the next ten weeks you are going to see republicans tout how this package is nothing more than a bloated progressive spending package. it is not helping average everyday americans bottom line. that is going to be the message moving forward. when they realize that american people were sold a bill of goods with this inflation reduction act hitch. they are going to vote accordingly. >> when i go home to visit my

parents and they have to go to the pharmacy to pay for bills the inflation reduction act is actually going to help them. those are issues that policies are going to help improve the quality of life. we know our health care system is out of control. it cost every day americans way too much money. democrats did something to do it. i also would just say that this is not just the economic issues. people look at the issue of abortion and they want to know who is telling me the truth and who is lying to me it is those supreme court justices, during their confirmation hearings. they didn't just lie to the senators daylights the american people. now you have candidates on here saying i am pro-life all the way, but now scrubbing my website. they are lying to their potential voters, they're going to get called out on it, i think that is why democrats will also fare better in december. >> will be parsed governor outside and they're saying you know we are now can have this car about so to speak for the life to the mother and whatever. is that a sign that this is a losing issue for republicans?

>> keep in mind those of us that are pro-life in those of us who are fought and advocated for roe v. wade for years. ever since roe v. wade was imposed pro-life advocates had been fighting to overturn it? >> this is not a political issue for them. >> i know we are going with that, but what i'm saying is for the folks who are now scrubbing the websites and all of a sudden saying that they are changing their minds. this isn't something that was from their heart that they believed it. if it's an issue that is going to keep them from winning and office the no go, oh yeah i change my mind. again, this is not an issue about politics this is an issue about saving and protecting the sanctity of life. >> what about those candidates? >> we are seeing that many of them took too extreme of a position. i have to believe there should be exceptions for rape, incest and, life with the mother. the whole point is to protect the sanctity of life. many of those people went too far. >> why did that change? would cause them to change that? just because you're not going

to win an office? >> because they just want to win it's about power, thought about saving the life of an unborn child. it's about winning about grabbing power so you can send nancy pelosi packing. they will to and say whatever they need to win and then when they get an office tail lights of their voters and go back andrew tractor statement. >> this is jim jordan. with the student debt. when we get you now. gop congressman jim jordan tweeting this out today. he said quote, and real america you work hard, you pay your bills, you provide for your family. we hear a lot of this real american rhetoric. coming from republicans. they don't think someone is a real america unless you are saddled with debt? is that what is happening? >> i guess people rather him say, and biden america you work hard pay after loans. and then joe will settle with someone else is that? when jordan was trying to say is that joe biden did with his student loan, quote, forgive

this. he took it to the backs of people, hardworking americans that pay off the loans, now they're paying for someone else is known, most people in this country have a real problem with that they don't like the fact that if you actually say for college and paid it off. now you're paying for someone else's. that is the problem that is the message that he was trying to get out there. a lot of people don't like that >> i don't know who these people are. i am dying to meet the people have saved up so much money that you can't start college as you put your full payment for a whole year down. it is not like you can get a job, save up, and the bursaries of it is like okay we'll let you pay. later that is not how it works. people have to take out loans. i'm from jim jordan states. let me tell you something, i have student on debt and i've worked very very. heart and all my play -- they've also worked very very hard. you know who else that debt is also affecting. their parents. because their parents are aging, they're starting to be concerned about taking care of them. when you have that debt weighing over you. they are all working hard.

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attempt a launch of the artemis 1 moon rocket early friday. afternoon but it is still unclear what would happen that. today's launch was scrubbed into their problems when the rockets giants engines. her seen in kristen fisher. >> >> lift up the space shuttle discovery. >> engine number 2058 has helper press six pay shuttled into orbit. side with this fight back in 2006. >> the scrub of the attempt of the launch of artemis 1. >> but today the system that cools that engine was the primary culprit behind the scrub of the first test flight of the artemis moon rocket. >> we need the engine to be at the cryogenically cool temperature. such that when it starts it is not shocked with all the cold fuel that flows through it. >> nasa says it is too soon to determine when will try again. but artemis mission manager, mike serafin, gave a classic nassau response. when addressing if the next

launch opportunity on friday is still in play. >> there is a non-zero chance we will have a non-of launch opportunity on friday. >> the artemis rocker sls has largely been carpal together using leftover parts from the shuttle program. before our as 25 inches on artemis 1, combined, flew more than 20 shuttle missions. i said hope that by recycling these old parts. they'd be able to build this new rocket faster and more affordably. instead, the sls rocket is six years behind schedule and billions over budget. >> we know the shuttle parts for very finicky and expensive and so it shouldn't have been any surprise that putting them together, differently, was going to also be expensive and take longer than we hoped. >> these are the most powerful ever built. they're designed to return -- or someday going to mars. thousands of people converged on -- and hopes of seeing it fly.

including vice president kamala harris. >> today was a very important day. and what a lot of folks might be disappointed that the launch did not actually happen. a lot of good work really happen today. >> that's administrator, bill nelson, whose own shuttle flight was scrubbed four times reminded that these kind of delays are routine for any spaceflight. but especially a first test flight. >> this is a brand-new rocket. it is not going to fly until it is ready. the list to say the complexity is daunting when you bring it all in to the focus. of a countdown. kristen fisher, thank you so much, thank you for watching everyone, our coverage continues. purchases on your discover card.

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