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now, and president biden is expected to speak momentarily. andy, matt, while we wait -- and even just picked up on this. this quinnipiac poll was just 67% of america basically think america is in danger of collapse -- and split evenly each party says the same thing. i'm asking you as someone who has worked in law enforcement from inside the institution itself, not as a political question here but as someone who's worked inside these institutions, what do you make of that? >> i think it's reflective of the great concern that people inside government, inside institutions, like the department of justice, like the fbi, like the cia, and other places across the intelligence community are similarly concerned about what they see. none in the same political way by that is reflected in this poll but rather in the attack that is taken place, folks on the institution of government, over the last five or six years. that is what scares them, that's what erodes the

confidence and trust in their own ability to accomplish the very important mission they have to do every day. >> john, so many wonder why two thirds of both parties think? that because the leaders of both parties are telling them that. joe biden routine says on democracy is on the brink of collapse. and so does donald trump. you have to look to the both parties telling their faithful that, hey, democracy is at stake here, democracies on the brink. interesting why most americans want both parties to go in a different direction for the 2024 election. i think a lot of what joe biden has been doing lately is less about the midterms and more about his own position at the top of the democratic party majority of democrats don't want him to run for reelection. so i'm looking ahead to 2024 as as much as i am for november. >> we just saw the marines walk out. there this is scheduled to begin any second now. kaitlan collins, as we wait for the president walk out -- you know what -- ♪ ♪ ♪ >> one think that will be interesting to hear him say, is -- the white house has talked about the path forward and having a more optimistic aspect to this speech.

>> ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the president and first lady walking in right now where the president will give his speech, again, at independence hall 300 invited guests there. kaitlan collins, again, how much win it wind does the president think he have point have it is back? >> a lot, they feel emboldened in recent weeks. you have seen that. we have talked about it publicly. they touted it not just from a legislative and policy perspective but also for the argument he is making. i think that also played a factor into why he's giving this speech now, given they've been talking about giving it for so long. and so we do expect it to be about 25 minute speech. the question is, they want to reconcile the idea of the soul for the nation, the battle for democracy, but also, optimistic, in a tone, given he is president now. >> this is the second speech he has given in pennsylvania in just a few nights. as we watch dr. e biden t

the president of the united states. my fellow americans, please, if you have a seat, thank you. i speak to you tonight from sacred ground in america. independence hall in philadelphia, pennsylvania. this is where america made its declaration of independence to the world, more than two centuries ago, with an idea unique among nations, that in america, we're all created equal. this is where the united states constitution was written and debated. this is where we set in motion the most extraordinary experiment of self government the world has ever known. with three simple words, we the people, we the people. these two documents, and the

ideas they embody -- equality and democracy -- are the rock on which this nation is built. they are how we became the greatest nation on earth. they are why for more than two centuries, america has been a beacon to the world. but as i stand here tonight, equality and democracy are under assault. we do ourselves no favor to pretend otherwise, so tonight, i have come to this place where it all began to speak as plainly as i can to the nation about the threats we face, about the power we have in our own hands to meet these threats. and about the incredible future that lies in front of us, if only we choose it.

we must never forget, we the people, are the true heirs of the american experiment that began more than two centuries ago. we the people, have burning inside of each of us, the flame of liberty that we slip here at independence hall, a flame that lead our way through abolition, the civil war, suffrage, the great depression, world wars, civil rights. that sacred flame still burns now in our time, as we build an america that is more prosperous, free and just. that is the work of my presidency, a mission i believe in with my whole soul, but first, we must be honest with each other and with ourselves.

too much of what is happening in our country today is not normal. donald trump and the maga republicans represent and extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic. [applause] i want to be very clear, very clear up front -- not every republican, not even the majority of republicans, are maga republicans. not every republican embraces their extreme ideology. i know because i have been able to work with these mainstream republicans. but there is no question that the republican party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by donald trump and the maga republicans. and that is a threat to the country. these are hard things, but i am an american president, not a president of red america, blue

america -- but all of america. i believe it is my duty to level with you to tell the truth, no matter how difficult, no matter how painful. and here, in my view, is what is true. maga republicans do not respect the constitution. they do not believe in the rule of law. they do not recognize the will of the people. they refused to accept the results of a free election, and they are working right now, as i speak, in state after state, to give power to decide elections in america to partisans and cronies, empowering election deniers to undermine democracy itself. maga forces are determined to take this country backwards, backwards to an america where there is no right to choose, no right to privacy, no right to

contraception, no right to marry who you love. they promote authoritarian leaders, and they fan the flames of political violence that are a threat to our personal rights, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country. they look at the mob that stormed the united states capitol on january 6th, brutally attacking law enforcement, not as insurrectionists, who placed a dagger at the throat of our democracy, but they look at them as patriots. and they see their maga failure to stop a peaceful transfer of power, after the 2020 election, as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections. they tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. this time, they are determined to succeed in thwarting the

will of the people. that's why respect to conservatives, like federal circuit court judge michael ludwig, has called trump an and the extreme maga republicans, quote, a clear and present danger to our democracy. -- we are not powerless in the face of these threats, we are not bystanders in this ongoing attack on democracy. there are far more americans, far more americans from every background and belief who reject the extreme monika ideology than those that accept it. [applause] and folks, it is in our power, within our hands,

yours and mine, to stop the assault on american democracy. i believe america is at an inflection point, one of those moments that determine the shape of everything that is to come after. and now, america must choose to move forward or to move backwards, to build a future or obsessed about the past, to be a nation of hope and unity and optimism or a nation of fear, division and of darkness. maga republicans have made their choice. they embrace anger, they they thrive on chaos. they live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of lies. but together -- together -- we can choose a different path, we can choose a better path, forward to the future, a future of possibility, a future to

build and dream and hope. and we are on that path moving ahead. i know this nation. i know you, the american people. i know your courage. i know your hearts, and i know our history. this is a nation that honors our constitution. we do not reject it. [applause] this is a nation that believes in the rule of law. we do not repudiate it. this is a nation their respects free and fair elections. we honor the will of the people [applause] we do not deny it. and this is a nation that rejects violence as a political tool. we do not encourage violence. we are still an america that believes in honesty and decency and respect for others. patriotism, liberty, justice for all, hope, possibilities -- we are still, at our core, a

democracy. and yet -- [applause] history tells us that blind loyalty to a single leader and a willingness to engage in political violence is fatal to democracy. for a long time, we've told ourselves back to american democracy is guaranteed, but it's not. we have to defend it, protect it, stand up for it, each and every one of us. that's why, tonight, i am asking our nation to come together, unite behind the single purpose of defending our democracy regardless of your ideology. [applause] we are all called by duty and conscience to confront extremists who put their own pursuit of power above all else. democrats, independents, mainstream republicans must be

stronger, more determined and more committed to saving american democracy than maga republicans are to -- american democracy. we, the people, will not let anyone or anything tear us apart. today, there are dangers around us we cannot allow to prevail. we hear you heard it. more and more talk about violence as an acceptable political tool in this country. it's not. it can never be an acceptable tool. so, i want to play this plain and simple. there is no place for political violence in america, period, none, ever. we saw law enforcement brutally attacked on january 6th. we've seen election officials,

poll workers, many of them -- subject to intimidation and death threats. can you believe it? fbi agents just doing their job as directed, facing threats to their own lives from their own fellow citizens. on top of that, there are public figures today, yesterday, the day before predicting and all but calling for mass violence and riots in the streets. this is inflammatory. it is dangerous. it's against the rule of law. we, the people, must say that this is not who we are. [applause] ladies and gentlemen, we cannot be pro insurrectionists and pro american, they're incompatible, we cannot allow violence to be normalized in this country, it's wrong.

we each have to reject political violence with all the moral clarity, conviction that this commission can muster now. we can't let the integrity of our elections be undermines. that is a path to chaos. i know politics can be fierce and mean, and nasty in america. i get it. i believe in the give and take of politics, of disagreement, debate, dissent. we are a big, complicated country. but democracy endures, only if we the people respect the guardrails of the republic. only if, we the people really accept the results of free and fair elections. only if, we the people see politics, not as total war, but as mediation of our differences. democracy cannot survive, when one side believes that there are only two outcomes to the

election. either they win, where they were cheated. and that's where the maga republicans are today. they don't understand what every patriotic american knows. you can't love your country only when you win. it's fundamental. american democracy only works, only if we choose to respect the rule of law, and the institutions that were set up in this chamber behind me. only if, we respect our legitimate political differences. i will not stand by and watch. the will of the american people be overturned by wild conspiracy theories, and baseless evidence free claims of fraud. i will not stand by and watch elections in this country stolen by people, who simply refused to accept that they

lost. i will not stand by and watch the most fundamental freedom in this country, the freedom to vote, and have your vote counted be taken from you and the american people. yuck look, as your president, i will defend democracy with every fiber of my being. i am asking every american to join me. throughout our history, america has often made the greatest progress, coming out of some of our darkest moments, as you're hearing through that bull horn. i believe we can and must do that again, and maga republicans look at america and see carnage, darkness, and despair. they spread fear and lies.

lies told for profit and power. but i see a different america. an america with an unlimited future. an america that is about to take off. i hope you see it as well, just look around. i believe we can lift america from the depths of covid. so we passed the largest economic package since fdr, today america's economy is faster, stronger, than any other advanced nation in the world. we have more to go. i believe we can build a better america. so, we passed the biggest infrastructure investment since dwight d. eisenhower. we are now embarking on a project to rebuild the nations roads, bridges, high-speed internet, railroad. i believe we can make america safer, so he passed the motion if you can gun safety law since president clinton.

i believe we can go from the highest cost of prescriptions in the world to making the more affordable. so we pass the most significant health care reform since president obama signed the affordable care act. and i believe we can create a clean energy future, and save the planet. so, we passed the most important climate initiative ever, ever, ever. the cynics and the critics tell us that nothing can get done. but they are wrong. there is not a single thing that america cannot do. not a single thing beyond our capacity, if we do together. it's never easy. or we're proving in america, no

matter how long the road of progress, does come. i know the last few years have been tough. but, today, covid no longer controls our lives, more americans are working than ever. businesses are growing, our schools are open. millions of americans have been lifted out of poverty. millions of veterans, once exposed to toxic burn pits, will now get what they deserve for their families and their compensations. american manufacturers have come alive across the american heartland. in future, it will be made in america. no matter what the white supremacists and the extremists say, i made a bet on you, the american people, and that bet is paying off. proving that from darkness, the darkness of charlottesville, of covid, of gun violence, of insurrection, we can see the light. light is now visible.

light that will guide us forward. not only in word, but in actions. actions for you, for your children, for your grandchildren, for america. even in this moment, with all the challenge that we face, i give you my word as a biden, but i've never been more optimistic about america's future. not because of, maybe, who you are, we will end cancer as we know it, mark my words. we will create millions of new jobs, and a clean energy economy. we will think, big and make the 21st century another american century. because the world needs us to. that's what we need to focus our energy on. not on the past. not on divisive culture wars. not on the politics of grievance, but on a future that we can build together. the maga republicans believe that for them to succeed, everyone else has to fail. they believe that america, not

like i believe about america. i believe america is big enough for all of us to succeed, and that is the nation we're building, the nation where no one is left behind. i ran for president because i believed we are in a battle for the soul of this nation. i still believe that to be true. i believe the soul is the breath, the life, and the essence of who we are. the soul, is what makes us us. the soul of america is defined by the sacred proposition that all are created equal in the image of god, that all are entitled to be treated with decency, dignity and respect, that all deserve justice and a shot at lives of prosperity and consequence, and that democracy -- democracy -- -- must be defended, for democracy makes all these things possible.

folks -- and it's up to us -- democracy begins in what we preserve, and we the peoples habits of the heart, and our character. optimism that is tested, yet endures. courage that digs deep when we need it. empathy that fuels democracy. the willingness to see each other, not as enemies, but as fellow americans. look, our democracy is imperfect, it always has been. notwithstanding those folks you hear on the other side they are, they are entitled to be outrageous. this is a democracy. but history and common sense -- [applause] good manners is

nothing they've ever suffered from. but history and common sense tell us that opportunity, liberty, and justice for all are most likely to come to pass in a democracy. we have never fully realized the aspirations of our founding. but every generation has opened those doors just a little bit wider, to include more people who have been excluded before. my fellow americans, america is an idea. the most powerful idea in the history of the world. and it beats in the hearts of the people of this country. it beats in all of our hearts. it unites america. it is the american creed. the idea that america guarantees that everyone be treated with dignity. it gives hate no safe harbor. and installs and everyone the belief that no matter where you start in life, there is nothing you can't achieve. that is who we are. that is what we stand for. that is what we believe. and that's precisely what we are doing.

opening doors, creating possibilities, focusing on the future. and we are only just beginning. [applause] our task is to make our nation free and fair. just and strong, noble and whole. and this work is the work of democracy. the work of this generation, it is the work of our time, for all time. we can't afford to leave anyone on the sidelines. we need everyone to do every there -- so, speak up, speak out, getting gauged, vote. vote, vote. and if we do our duty. if we do our duty. -- in 2022 and beyond, then ages still to come will say we, all of us here, we kept the faith.

we preserved democracy. we he did heeded not our worst instincts but are better angels. we proved, that for all our imperfections, america's still the beacon to the world. an ideal to be realized. a promise to be kept -- there is nothing more important. nothing more sacred. nothing more american. that is our soul. that's who we truly are. and that's who we must always be. i have no doubt, none, that this is who we will be. and that we will come together as a nation that we will secure our democracy. and that for the next 200 years, we will have what we have had in the past 200 years, the greatest nation on the face of the earth. we just need to remember who we are. we are the united states of america. the united states of america.

and may god protect our nation, and may god protect all those who stand and watch over our democracy. god bless you all. democracy. thank you. president biden finishing a 24 minute speech at independence hall in philadelphia. he said, as he stands there tonight, the quality and democracy are under assault and he left no doubt whom he believes it is under assault by. he said, donald trump in the maga republicans represent and extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic, a big portion of the speech, maybe the majority of the speech, devoted to that very subject. i am back with a panel of experts to discuss this, kaitlan collins first, our chief white house correspondent, to you, this was a combative speech and not at all subtle. >> a very political speech. i think, with the exception of

the speech that he gave on the anniversary of january 6th at the capitol, this might be the most political, most forceful speech in that sense. that he has given since taking office. it's a bit of a surprise, because we had spoken to white house officials earlier. we asked -- he is someone who strayed from naming trump very many times during his -- in office. as a white house reporter, to hear him come out so quickly and name drop him so fast, and talk about basically the brand of extremism that he thinks trump has founded within the republican party, that clearly, he thinks is thriving, not in the sense he wants it to, he came out very quickly and said trump and said maga time and time again. it was a very political attack against those republicans. he tried very hard to draw a distinction between republicans and republicans who style themselves after donald trump, of course, whether or not they take that distinction remains to be seen. a very political speech by president biden as this basically full frontal attack on what the white house has

branded maga republicans. >> an attack on maga republicans, and a defense, as he put, it of democracy. he literally framed this as a battle between light and darkness -- >> yeah, look, it's clear this is a speech joe biden has wanted to give for a very long -- time for the last 18 months. he's needed to operate within -- the bounds of what washington will be permit. but there's a growing sense in his mind that actually the threat is much greater than just a political problem. a really memorable moment -- too much of what's happening in this country is not normal. he's appealing to what -- americans feel when they -- playing with visual -- throwing out a free and fair election -- he's appealing to them and look, and says, i know i'm throwing lines here, but i know americans will be on the -- side well let's talk a little bit about one of the draw lines that he has drawn. and the president really did step up his criticism of maga republicans directly. let's listen. >> donald trump and the maga

republicans, represented extremism, the threat is the very foundations of our republic. i want to be very clear, very clear in up front. not every republican, not even the majority of republicans are maga republicans. not every republicans embraces extreme ideology. i know, because i've been able to work with these mainstream republicans, but there's no question that the republican party today is dominated driven and intimidated by donald trump and the maga republicans. and that is a threat to this country. >> all right scott, there was a lot in that excerpt to dissect their, he says not all republicans, maybe not even a majority are maga republicans. he talks about how he can work with some republicans. how will this land? >> yeah but there is not a single republican in the country that he's endorsing for, election or reelection, he's

not going to endorse the republicans that he likes. this is a very partisan speech. his core message to me was if you don't vote democrat, we don't have a democracy anymore. so that's not going to land very well with any republican voter. as i was listening to this, it sounded like a conviction speech to me. there's a lot of polling right there hour right now to say that the majority of democrats don't want him to run for reelection. i thought this was less about the midterms, but no are about convincing them for an reelection campaign. one tactical thing, i do think it's smart to put trump at the center of politics right now. if the republicans can say focused on issues, they'll do better. if they stay focused on trump, they'll do war. so it's a correct, impulsive tactic. >> he did it right away, he said donald trump's name right away. and from the whole speech around. that you hear this talk about this being a political speech, and i don't think you can ignore any of the references to maga republicans there. but for supporters of joe

biden. for some of the voters you've been speaking to on the trail there, if you do believe that democracy, small the, or democracy is that state. is this the type of defense that they have been wanting to hear? >> absolutely. without a doubt. and something else that really stood out to me is that he almost seemed to be reclaiming pretreat-ism. often you hear republicans argue that they are the pro america party. the democrats are not patriotic enough. but what was more pro-usa than the speech? and i think this is exactly what democratic voters wanted to hear. we honor the will of the people. right? and nod to our democracy, but also to reserving reproductive rights. he is the president of all of america. you mentioned before, too much of what is happening is not normal in this country. we are still at our core, our democracy. all of the sayings, if he was a very very patriotic speech. and i think that was a lot of what democratic voters are

across the country. they want to be patriotic to, they want to be part of the american story too. and i think he spoke to that. >> he made a democrat plea, to have violence out of politics. there is no violence in politics. you can't be as an insurrectionist, and for democracy. for the people who are in law enforcement. to the extent are caught in the middle of this. is this something they want to hear? >> no question. no question. people in law enforcement, and people in government more broadly. want to hear national, political, figures to force the president to come out and absolutely call out political violence. everything from local, school board officials, to local election officials, to my own former colleagues at the fbi. no place in our country right now. they sense very personally, and daily, the rising tide of threats that they face. and i think those things will be taken positively. on the other hand, i think

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all right, president biden warning about threats to democracy tonight. in philadelphia, where the constitution of course, was written. and the declaration of independence. and it was accompanied by a mid term political pitch. and the administration's accomplishments. he returned several times to the critique of the former president's followers. >> maga republicans do not respect the constitution. they do not believe in the rule of law, they do not recognize the will of the people.

they refused to accept the results of a free election. and they're working right now, as i speak, in state after state. to give power to the side elections in america. to cronies. empowering election deniers, and undermining democracy itself. >> the question now, going forward, is what impact these people the president name tonight will have on american politics, and in the presidents estimation, on american democracy. that, and what the impact will be of the leader's legal troubles on the republican party. with sources telling cnn, the former president is now looking to wait until after the midterms to launch his 2024 presidential campaign. this is a complicated picture. in the political panel is back to make sense of. it kaitlin again, notwithstanding the claims before the speech at this wasn't a political speech. talk to me about how you think this suggests the white house wants to frame the next nine weeks of the political season?

>> they think that the political winds are in their favor right now and that's a large part of what pick this timing. he thought about doing this before, they had waited, they had been deliberating. he had wanted to do the speech for a while, they paid now for a moment, and he named trump within moments. which, if you are not someone who is watched by him in his presidency, he really tried to stay away from doing that. he would say the former guy, he would say my predecessor. he would not always named him directly. tonight, he went there. and he went there multiple times. i think when it comes to what they were seeking to do here, frame what the next nine weeks would look like. before the midterms. we'll see if any democrats pick up this message that the president used tonight. are there any democrats running in pretty close races in swing districts? is that the arguments that they're making? that remains to be seen as well. if you look at the order arching part of the speech and how they write, it and think about it, the beginning was very dark. it's about the brink of democracy. and basically, this argument that democracy is on the line. and democrats are the answer.

and then he switched and went into the democratic agenda. he talked about his hope to cure cancer. lowering prescription drug prices. it was a bit of a turn for him to make. so i do think the question is, how do democrats who are out there running in races on the ballot take? that >> the question is, which do democrats choose, which part of the speech they lean and most if they have to choose between the two? let's play one more comment in the speech. >> i will not, the will of the american people be overturned by wild conspiracy theories, and baseless evidence and re-claims of fraud. i will not stand by and watch americans in this country, be stolen by people who refuse to say that they lost. >> kaitlan was saying before, was at the beginning to lean too much into trump. but he gave this speech that he just couldn't take it anymore. >> yeah, i think that the reason that he won the presidency was in part because he staked out the position as

someone who is willing to name donald trump as a threat to democracy. >> i remember in the campaign he was reading a book like how democracies. by two political scientists who studied democracy in latin america. democracies die casually, in twilight. but the point tonight is when you have to recognize that when you're talking about political violence and the erosion of consequences. >> does he think it's a winning message? >> that's why it incense a merger of these two ideas. it's a political point, yes. but it's also the pot fundamental reason he ran for the job. >> there was something that happened today and it does play a little bit into what president biden was talking about which is that president trump suggested today that he would look very very strongly, very strongly. i think he's very three or four times. into pardoning. january six insurrectionists if he is in a position to do so. if he runs and if he wins the reelection, he says he is very likely to pardon

insurrectionists. is that a message that, for instance mitch mcconnell and other people in the republican party who want to take up the senate. is that a message they want to hear? >> no. this is looking backwards. and it's what donald trump wants his next campaign to be about, he wants it to be about 2020, righting the wrongs in his mind how it was taken away from him. even this week he tweeted that we should be reinstated have an election right now. >> the former president saying that, or does the president saying that keep the current president ammunition in this speech? >> biden knows if they put trump at the center than trump will be all too happy to oblige him and every day that we spend talking about what trump is saying and how biden is framing it, if you are from a republican messaging perspective than they're talking about inflation and border in schools and time. that's the day that biden is going to win so from a pure republican expect of, you've got to assess this and put the

americans and constituents at the center. and not let donald trump hijack the campaign every day. biden knows this, that's why it's not an incorrect impulse because they're not doing so well on the economic. so to put trump at the center of, it makes strategic sense. >> this speech really felt like a reset, a reset that the president and mitt ministration really felt like they needed. i'm curious to see now in the weeks ahead, democrats really needed a midterm message. let's not forget how chaotic the last two years have been for democrats in washington, in terms of being able to land some policy victories. finally, in the 11th hour, they have been able to be cohesive enough to secure some. but democrats desperately need a midterm message. he just provided them one, i'm very curious to see if they follow his lead. and really center of this argument over the health. being concerned about the health of american democracy in the weeks ahead. >> i will say, it's also not just about democrats. he was also right.

it's about independents. you have seen the numbers over the last few weeks or go. it's pretty clear, his approval rating has gone up nine points. it's still not great. but it people are responding to what they're getting done in washington. they're responding to the idea that he is drawing attention to the fact that most americans actually do not like what the supreme court has done. those are the types of people that john fetterman are trying to get in pennsylvania. as these are key, boaters and that's what he's talking to tonight as well. >> with these campaigns, if you look inside the partisan splits in these polls. what republican voters, or conservative leaning voters want to hear. inflation, economy, border crime schools. it's clearly that the democrats are leading in abortion, climates, guns. so these campaigns are on the battlefield against each other but there are two ships passing in the night. they're talking about totally different issues sets. 22 totally different groups of people. i think it's pretty risky actually for biden to totally ignore inflation, and mostly ignore economic issues. because a lot of independents, to your, point you want to hear

about that. >> all right,, scott eva, evan, caitlin. thank you all very much. next, a former presidents and the latest turn in his court battle. over highly classified documents taken from mar-a-lago, that one of his attorneys today like into an overdue library book.

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day, which is not to say a lack of interest or controversy. after all, when one of your lawyers, as the former president did in court today, make comparisons to set documents to an overdue library book. controversy follows. cnn sarah murray has the latest for us tonight. sarah, this was an interesting hearing. what happened? >> it was. we heard two sides show barbs in court filings, but this was their day in court. it lasted a little bit over two hours. as you pointed out, we heard an extraordinary argument from the trump team comparing the possible illegal retention of potentially classified documents, certainly documents classified markings as akin to a fight of overdue library book. they are continuing to push for a special master to be an independent review or of all the materials. the justice department set, their filter team have already been through this stuff, they say that there is no evidence that the former president rights have been violated, but the judge said, what is the harm in appointing the special

master, an indication that that was the direction that she had been leaning. she did not know, as you point out, make a ruling. she she will rule on this on paper, and we don't know when that will come out. >> what did the judge say about the intelligence community reviewing documents if a special master's appointed? >> this is obviously an area officials have been concerned about as one of the national security risk, if these documents were exposed to other people. the judge said she would have a carve out so the intelligence committee can continue reviewing the documents as part of the national security assessment, because if she does appoint a special master, she said it's possible she will block the justice department from being able to review these materials, while the special master does its job, john. >> sarah murray, thank you as always for your reporting. we are joined now from former assistant special watergate prosecutor, nick ackerman, former federal judge nancy -- now a senior lecturer at harvard law school and conservative lawyer george conway. given everything we know so far,

do you think and believe based on what you heard that this judge will appoint a special master, and what do you think we may hear? >> i have no idea. that's not the answer you want to hear. it sounds like -- the arguments are overwhelming against appointing a special master. for one thing, they would get two or three weeks to do this, and the review is already done. for another thing, he has no rights to the documents, and he at the documents. these are presidential records. there is no executive privilege. there is a right to attorney-client privilege issues, which they have already identified, having said all that, it is clear that this judge wants to split the difference in some way, and she wants to appoint a special master. the problem is, how do you begin to disentangle the responsibilities of a president -- special master so that you allow the intelligence community to deal with classified information, you allow attorney client privilege

information to go over what the doj had already gone over and not interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation. it's a very narrow pathway, and it seems almost symbolic. she wants a special master, but it's not clear what she could do. >> it's complicated, and in some ways, it would be novel, given a special master overseeing executive privilege is not something we have seen before. george, trump's lawyer tried to downplay what the former president did, comparing the action to not returning and overdue library book. these are documents with markings at the highest classification. what do you think of that comparison? >> to gaslight a federal court away day gas and people on fox news is singularly apollo. if we are talking about library books here, we're talking about him taking a truckload of library books, stole them from the library, the librarian came and asked for them, he did not give them back, the librarian comes up -- shows up with the cops, he gives a few of them back then

lies, and it turns out he's got a whole cash of books still left in his house. that would be a proper analogy, except we are not just talking about regular old books here, we would be talking about rare library books of the sort that we had to be very careful with and treat with her care. this is just outrageous that they would downplay the severity of what he did here in stealing these national security documents of the highest top secret order, who's released could result engraved image by definition, to the national security. >> that is the definition of top secret classification. nick, as we heard from sara murray, the judge is considering publicly releasing a more detailed inventory of what was seized at mar-a-lago. what do you think that could mean? >> i don't think it means anything for donald trump, again, he has shot himself in the foot with a shotgun.

anything that comes out is only going to give us a contacts, more dates, more information, that is not classified, but is going to put more texture and information around what it was he stole and kept at mar-a-lago. none of this is going to help donald trump, and it's going to give journalists lots of fodder to go over, try to put its together, try to figure out what was going on at this particular times. it will give you an idea of which documents were where, so you will know exactly what came out of donald trump's desk. you will know what came out of the storage room. you will know what came out of any other place. none of this is good. even if donald trump finally winds up getting his special master, this has been a colossal, political and pr loss for him, because this motion has done nothing but put more

contacts on what he did, but he had said nothing, and no one ever got indicted for any of this, none of these facts would ever come out. >> both sides say if a special master or the appointed, the whole process could be -- pretty quick. the judge indicated that he thought it could be quick, but what does that mean? any sense? >> pretty quick is a relative term. a special master has to be selected. both sides typically give names to the judge. the judge has to pick a special master. it cannot be anyone who could be disqualified because of partiality. this is not going to be easy to pick somebody. former judge or whatever it won't be easy to do. how many boxes of material are not talking about, how quick could that be? >> and again, i don't

completely understand how they're going to draw the lines to classify and one box, and does she give someone then total review of anything that isn't classified? how could that not delay the proceedings here? >> georgia, very quickly the force president on social media today has been complaining about that picture that was put in the doj's filing that showed the documents that they laid out on the floor. and took a picture of. he seems to be most upset that they were put out in a messy way but in the process he acknowledge that they came from his -- what do you make of that? >> it's funny, a few weeks ago he seem to have acquainted himself quite well with the fifth amendment of the constitution. and in the state deposition in new york. every time he makes a statement, he seems to be incriminating himself more. i just admitted that he had

this classified documents in his office, who we know were on before in a drawer in the boxer who shelled, he had them and he stole them. they were in his office. and that's basically all she wrote. >> all right, nancy and nick akram in, thank you all for being with us on this busy night we'll be right back. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. my most important kitchen tool? my brain. so i choose neuriva plus. unlike some others, neuriva plus is a multitasker supporting 6 key indicators of brain health. to help keep me sharp. neuriva: think bigger. a is for awareness, because knowing that your chronic kidney disease in type 2 diabetes could progress to dialysis is important. b is for belief that there may be more you can do. just remember that k is for kidneys

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