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the former president today court, his lawyers downplaying the 100 plus classified documents were covered from a logo, comparing them to an overdue library book. and it made the mar-a-lago fall out, other investigations are moving forward. the january six committee now seeking cooperation from former house speaker newt gingrich. and a judge deciding senator lindsey graham must testify before a georgia special grand jury, but limiting the scope of his testimony. let's discuss all of it now. cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor elie honig is here. also cnn political analyst, joe jonathan martin coauthor of this will not pass, and cnn global affairs analyst susan glasser. hello to one and all. good evening, elie, i'm going to start with you. the former presidents lawyers -- a special master. did they help themselves by comparing these documents to an
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overdue library book? >> no, don, it's such a ridiculous comparison. it defies the need for even further articulation. look, when you are a lawyer, overstatement is not better. there seems to be a misconception that the more dramatic claim the better you are as a lawyer. wheeler is that when you don't step out of your lane, there's no need to overstep like this. donald trump has not been well served by his lawyers throughout this particular case. they wanted to get a special master. that is not a dramatic ask. that's not unreasonable. that's not unprecedented. but in the process, they came in with such explosive, overhyped political rhetoric that they prompted this filing that we saw from the justice department few days ago, which really firmly set the record straight and, i think, did quite a bit of damage donald trump, certainly in the public consciousness. because now we understand much better what led to that search. we have seen this photo. so, trump may ultimately get his special master, perhaps even tomorrow, but it will come at a heavy cost. and that's largely due to poor lawyering.
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>> so, jonathan martin, the judge appeared open to granting the special master, with a carve out for the intelligence assessment, even asking prosecutors, what is the harm, right? and special master help stop some of the complaints from trump allies? or is that impossible? >> look, i just think doing that is going to sort of keep this in the public eye for the next weeks to come. it may ultimately by trump more time, don, on the legal front. but on the pr and the political front, every day that this story, the raid on the former presidents home, and his apparent refusal to turn over classified documents it's poison for his party. and you saw president biden's speech tonight, don. what biden is doing is trying to take advantage in seizing this opportunity, in which president trump is back in the news. look, if you put republicans on
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truth serum, don, they would say, every day that trump is still the story is a wasted day going to the midterms. and as long as trump is the story in the midterms, they are going to have -- democrats are -- a punter's chance. >> listen, scott jennings was on this program and another programs today and saying very similar sentiments to what you are saying -- he actually said if trump is the nominee in 2024, that his party would lose. so, it's interesting that you are saying that as well. susan glasser, in a radio interview today, the former president seeming to imply that the fbi was actually trying to retrieve documents that would make them look bad, connected hillary clinton and the russia investigation. it is a bizarre deflection. is he growing more desperate with all of these revelations this week? >> you know, don, it's not a surprise to anyone who has been following along these last few years, that donald trump's
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comfort zone is to blame things on hillary clinton, right? he will be re-litigating the election that he actually won, never mind the election that he lost, forever. when it comes to hillary clinton -- and that's just a refrain for him. i feel like it is his safety net. but the truth of the matter is that trump himself has essentially admitted that he took these documents and given, i think, i don't know, you would have to look at the latest count -- but certainly, it is a significant number of shifting excuses for why he has done so, from claiming that he gave a blanket declassification order, to say, never mind, it's not that big of a deal anyways. i thought it was remarkable that his or was in court today saying it was like an overdue library book. i would like to get access to that classified library. nobody has offered it to me. come on. it's kind of crazy, right? >> elie, the january six committee -- i found this fascinating, yeah,
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fascinating, that's a good word. asking for new gingrich's cooperation. chairman thompson saying they have seen messages between trump advisers -- jason miller about spreading election lies through tv ads. why would this be an important thread? >> don, what's interesting here to me is the coordination. we think of newt gingrich because he got famous for being an elected official, speaker of the house. but he is a private civilian now. and the allegation, if you look at the letter to newt gingrich, seems to be, he was courting, with jared kushner, which is interesting, by the way, we've not heard that name before -- and jason miller -- despite the lie about election fraud. and that helped sort of fanned the flames of what happened on january 6th. what's also very interesting is that the committee alleges that the 10:42 pm at night on january 6th -- so, after the riot had been quelled -- newt gingrich was still pushing for members of congress to decertify, to refuse to certify the election. so, newt gingrich has some questions to answer. this is not a subpoena. this is just a polite, informal request. i would hazard a guess, he may not comply, in which case the committee is going to have to
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decide if they want to take it up a notch and issue him a subpoena. >> jonathan martin, trump now says he is seriously considering pardons for january 6th rioters, if he is reelected in 2024. >> yeah. >> instead of backing off in the face of all these investigations, it's as if he is doubling down and doing exactly, i think, what most members of his party don't want him to do. >> and look -- democrats have spent a lot of time, along with adam kinzinger and liz cheney, investigating the events of january 6th. we have seen multiple primetime hearings. i am sure we will see more hearings between now and the end of the year, into that inquiry. and obviously, that is not a topic that the republicans would prefer to focus on. they want to talk about issues like inflation, and immigration. but trump is extremely mindful, don, of his base, and especially the most hard-core partisans in his base. and that is a demographic that, frankly, feels like some of the
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people on january 6th were treated wrongly. but of course, for donald trump, on september 1st, two months before the election, to sort of lean into the fall midterm campaign by announcing he is going to pardon the january 6th rioters en masse -- no, of course, is not what his party wants him to be talking about. and it sort of gives democrats a gift. look, every time is a midterm election, and as one party in power in congress and the white house, they don't want it to be a referendum on their stewardship, especially when people are not happy with the direction of the country. they want to frame it as a choice election. and when donald trump says that kind of thing about pardoning the january 6th rioters, he lends a hand to making this a choice election between two parties, rather than a simple referendum on the party in power. >> he is also claiming, susan, that he is financially supporting some of the january six defendants.
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what happens to this country if trump runs for president on a platform that january 6th was justified? >> yeah, i think that's the thing that people have not yet fully reckoned with, that a donald trump who returned to office or attempted to do so, in 2024, would be very different in some ways than the first term, donald trump, likely to pursue a far more radical agenda. having crossed certain lines that we thought of as uncross -able, including refusing to accept the outcome of an american election. and i thought that that was a remarkable statement he made in an interview -- today, that he was supporting january 6th insurrectionists, promising to pardon them. this would be a trump -- almost, a fever dream second term. it would be a totally much more radical agenda, especially because that means, in winning --
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he would have gotten the republican party to go along, the outrageous claims. and it's fascinating to see how riled up republicans are about the biden speech tonight. and some of these reactions on twitter and alike would think. they were shocked to discover that anyone who had supported. the election denial campaign -- or that they had anything to do with donald trump. it's kind of amazing to watch. >> it certainly is. susan, jonathan, elie, thank, you appreciate it. president biden calling out donald trump by name in his primetime speech tonight and warning that what he calls maga republicans are a threat to america. how will his message land with midterm voters? >> maga republicans look at america and see carnage and darkness and despair. they spread fear and lies. lies told for profit and power. but i see a different america. an america with an unlimited
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so president biden making speech on what he calls the battle for the soul of the nation tonight. laying out how democracy is in danger, and pinning it on what he calls, maga republicans. watch. >> maga republicans do not respect the constitution. they do not believe in the rule of law. they do not recognize the will of the people. they refused to accept the results of a free election. and they are working right now as i speak in state after state, to give power to decide elections in america. to partisans and cronies. empowering election deniers. to undermine democracy itself. maga forces are determined to take this country backwards. backwards!
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to an america where there is no right to choose. no right to privacy. no right to contraception. no right to marry who you love. they promote authoritarian leaders and fanned the flames of political violence. they are a threat to our personal rights. to the pursuit of justice. to the rule of law. so the very soul of this country. >> all right let's discuss now, cnn political commentator alice stewart is here, and natasha alford as well. good to see you this evening. alice, wait, what? she's not with us. why are you in d. c. and not on the set with us? >> i wasn't invited, don. >> oh, you don't need an invitation. just hop on the bus. you don't need to discuss much. so let me start with, natasha, i'll actually start with you. the president tonight spoke. is that the message that is going to fire up voters in the midterm elections going forward
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about saving democracy and peoples rights? >> i think he spoke directly to americans who have been horrified with what they've been witnessing over the past year. the insurrection, politicians going along with b the big lie. politicians that you would expect would know better. and i think he was a champion for them tonight. and i was waiting to see, don, if he was going to be a little less forward. because we have been talking about his language, and his tone. but he was really unapologetic about calling out the extremism. it's noteworthy that he called out white supremacists, which i thought was key because when you think about the time when we had a president who did both sides over charlottesville. so i think that was really important. but a final thought -- this idea of, this is not who we are, we always hear this, right, from politicians about, this is not who we are. i think it might be better to actually admit that this is who america has been. think about post reconstruction. we have been a country of political violence. and so, remind people that we
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used to do these things. and we don't want to go back to that. >> it's just interesting because, unless you, people forget or they haven't been watching. we have been over this before. with charlottesville. as you said, the president, the former president, both sides for everything. this is well trotted territory that we have been going over, at least i know. since i've been dealing with donald trump over the past five, six, seven years. it kind of says the same thing over and over. we go through charlottesville, we go through stuff that he does within play players and i'm kneeling on all of that. and we always arrive at the same point, where he is making excuses for white supremacy and bigotry and racism. and so here we go again. i just want to play this. alice, this is for you, from the current president of the united states. watch this. >> donald trump in the maga republicans represent an extremism that threatens the
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very foundations of our republic. i want to be very clear, very clear up front -- not every republican, not even the majority of republicans are maga republicans. not every republican embraces their extreme ideology. i know because i have been able to work with these mainstream republicans. but there is no question that the republican party today is dominated, driven and intimidated by don't trump and the maga republicans. and that is a threat to this country. >> so alice, we have been, since he made that speech, we have been going back and forth about exactly what was happening, who is he calling. i think it was the semi -fascism. he made a clear distinction tonight. >> he still attacked republicans. plain and simple.
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don, i remember when president biden was sworn in. i was actually very encouraged and optimistic about a new tone, and a new tenor, and a new direction. and really bringing this country together. and tonight speech about the soul of our nation, i can just tell you that after seeing what i saw, and hearing what i heard. that was a dark, depressing, and very divisive speech. what he did in the speech tonight was vilify half of this country. but also -- doing so in a way that -- >> half of this country and not maga republicans? that's not accurate now. alice, it's 20% of the voting public. >> 74 million americans voted for the person. >> but they're not all maga republicans. >> they ran against joe biden -- did >> they're not all maga republicans. >> the bottom line is where we are republicans. and he's talking about republicans. >> he made a distinction about republicans. listen, i hate doing this because it makes me seem like it's political, but if you're gonna come on and distort the
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truth, he did not say all republicans. he is not talking about the 75, all of the 75 million people or 70 something million people who voted for donald trump. and it is plain as day. he went out of his way to say i am going to make it very clear. and even when he gave the speech, earlier in the week, he talked about a maga philosophy. as semi fascism, of maga philosophy. he did not say republicans were fascists. so why are we playing this word game and pretending that the president did and said something that he actually didn't say? i cannot let that stand, alice. he did not say that. >> don, as a republican, i'm telling you what republicans heard. >> how exactly did he attack all republicans? where did he say all republicans are maga, or all republicans are fascist? or i'll republicans are banned? what was his exact language? where did he say that? >> don, he started last week. when he called republicans fascist. >> he did not call republicans fascist, alice!
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he did not call republicans fascist. he said, he compared a maga philosophy to semi-fascism. he did not call all republicans fascist. that is just not true, i'm sorry, it's not true. >> don. i hear what you're saying. and what you're trying to do. i'm telling you what republicans here when he is saying that. >> is there something along wrong with republicans ears or their interpretation? because they cannot hear? to they hear differently than other people? because that's not -- and again, if i say, i am talking about maga republicans and not all republicans, how do you hear the word, i'm talking about all republicans? >> don, the tone of the speech was clearly a direct hit against people that did not share his ideology. and he repeatedly vilified people that did not share his ideology. and did so in a way that he was able to distract from his policies that are not working in this country. when we're talking about high
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inflation, talking about crime, talking about immigration. and this was a perfect opportunity as president of the united states to actually raise the temperature. i was encouraged with one of the lines that he said in his speech tonight. that we all need to show a willingness to not treat each other as enemies but as friends. i wish he would have done much more of that. he spent the first 12 minutes of the speech talking about the former president. and those who support him. i was really optimistic, don, about a speech that -- >> alison, all right. i'm gonna meet you where you are. i'm going to meet you where you are. so, not to treat everyone as an enemy, but as friends. so, who is a friendly person to this current president? who should he be friendly towards? who has given him an olive branch to become friends in the current republican party? especially the maga wing of the party? who should he be reaching out to? >> he should be reaching out to
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everyone. >> but he said that. did he say, i am the president for all americans? >> he said that he would different democracy regardless of ideology. those who are actual literal words in a speech. regardless of ideology, defend democracy. that was a priority and purpose of the speech tonight. to say that democracy is bigger than party. it's bigger than maintaining power. it's bigger than overthrowing elections just to be the party in power. it's not about agreeing on everything. >> the point is don, he should constantly be reaching across the aisle to all republicans. whether they are in his mind, maga republicans or moderate republicans. and he talks about them every now and again. but he should be reaching out to all of them to get things done. and then we would certainly have more policies pass on a bipartisan level. as opposed to just by democrats. >> alice, how is he gonna do
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that when there's -- most of what he asked for, and he has gotten some bipartisan support -- so, he's been very successful with that over the past couple of weeks. but the most of the time, republicans don't even vote -- 100% of the time, they vote against any legislation that the president or democrats ask for. how is that -- >> look at the majority of the policies that the democrats have put forth. they are large, massive, billions of dollars of spending packages. and one of the things that republicans are not going to do is to continue to spend billions of dollars as we head into historic inflation. -- >> not even for tax cuts for the richest americans and multi billion dollar corporations? >> they are not going to support -- they are certainly not going to support the student loan bailout, which is buying votes of younger people. they are not going to support planting trees in urban areas. they are not going to support climate change proposals that the progressives wants. republicans are not supporting the policies he is putting
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forth because it does nothing more then put us further into inflationary problems. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you, don. >> this is very difficult sometimes. because [laughs] i'm not political. but i'm not stupid either. i'm just -- we'll be right back! sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. don't miss our labor day weekend special. save 50% on the sleep number 360® limited edition smart bed. ends labor day.
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>> police releasing body cam video that shows an officer fatally shooting an unarmed black man in his bed. this time it's in columbus, ohio, a city that sadly is familiar with these kinds of incidents. and i have to warn you, the video is disturbing. here is cnn's omar jimenez with more. [noise] >> it started with an early morning knock at the door, and columbus police officers preparing to serve a felony warrant for domestic violence, assault and improper handling of a firearm. >> [inaudible] we are not leaving.
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we know you are inside! >> there should be no way that they spent 8 to 10 minutes knocking on the door. >> a man eventually opened the door. he and another person inside were detained. but a third, who ended up being the target of the warrant, was believed to be behind this door. >> we are going to send that dog in. >> 39 [inaudible] -- [noise] [noise] >> something in his hands -- >> that something in his hands didn't turn out to be a weapon, police say, but a vape pen was found next to him on the bed. 20-year-old donovan lewis was later pronounced dead. he was shot by officer ricky anderson, a 30 year veteran with the department who has been placed on leave, pending an ongoing state investigation. and in less than a week, this it's the third police-involved shooting in columbus, this being the only fatal one but also the latest in a number of controversial shootings in recent years going back to
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december 2020. casey goodson jr. was shot and killed by a deputy looking for violent offenders at the time, but not him. that deputy was indicted on two counts of murder and one count of reckless homicide. later that month, an officer shot and killed andre hill, as police responded to a report of a man sitting in his suv. that officer fired and charged with murder. and in april last year, 16-year-old ma'khia bryant was shot and killed when a video showed her lunging at another woman with a knife. the officer was not indicted. >> the last few years have been challenging for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is balancing the need for public safety with the need for police reform. >> it's part of why the u.s. department of justice launched an ongoing review into the police department. but for donovan lewis's family, it doesn't change him being gone. >> how many more lives are going to be lost to this type of reckless activity?
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there was no justification -- let me be clear, no justification -- for officer anderson to shoot an unarmed man trying to get out of bed, as police officers were instructing him to do. now the attorneys for the shooting officer put out a statement saying, they sympathize with the loss of life but also that we must look to the totality of the circumstances, because unlike all of us, officers are not afforded the luxury of armchair reflection when they are faced with rapidly evolving and volatile encounters in dangerous situations. but of course, this is now in the hands of a state investigation. once that is over, those results will be turned over to a county prosecutor, at which point they will decide if any charges need to be filed, don. >> all right, omar, i appreciate that reporting, i also want you to bring around, i also want to bring in former missouri highway patrol captain
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ron johnson. captain johnson, good evening to you, you saw the video there. what is your reaction to how the officers handled that situation? >> i think, initially, they are going to say, we are going to send the dog in. and i'm wondering, why would you not just in the dog and by itself? situations are tough. lighting is probably an issue. but i think you have the canine there. and you say you are going to send the canine in. and you suspect someone is there. and the canine in and let him or her do their job. >> so, omar, as you noted in your reporting, lewis is killing is the third police shooting in the city in less than a week. can you tell us what you are hearing from the columbus community now? >> obviously, the video is really upsetting. it's almost a feeling of déjà vu for a lot of people who, of course, not just three in this past week -- but i laid out some of those extremely controversial fatal shootings over just the past two years or so. and i want to put out a statement from the head of the urban league in columbus. she said, in response to this, that we understand that serving
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a felony warrant creates a highly dangerous and volatile situation. and yet the body camera videos, as gut-wrenching as the fact that another black man lost his life. and that, of course, is the crux of this. no matter where the investigation goes, this family is not getting their son back. on the others other side of things, a pastor, locally in columbus, told one of our affiliates that just having the video, of course, goes along, major way. but of course, this is the beginning of a long investigation where, i can imagine, more facts will come, out don. >> so, captain, help me out. the department's had controversial shootings in recent years and the doj is currently conducting review there. what is all the say to you about what is happening? >> it's obviously being transparent. effort some comments from the chief, who said, that we will support things that are done right, but things that are done wrong, we will hold people accountable. one thing i would like to say, that the attorney for the officer said, that the law allows officers to be mistaken
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and make mistakes. and i disagree with that. and so i agree that we have to look at this, transparency is an issue. but these are happening too much in our country. and we have to begin a look at these and see what we need to do better in our training of our officers throughout our country. >> thank you gentlemen, i appreciate it. and omar, keep following. thank you so much. >> serena and venus williams lead losing in the first round of the u.s. open doubles. so, what's next for serena? we are going to discuss that next.
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losing tonight in doubles play at the u.s. open, even this classic play by williams sisters didn't save them at the end. serena and venus fell in straight sets to czech republic opponents. but as always, the williams sisters gave their devoted fans quite a show and can hold their heads high tonight. together, over their illustrious careers, they have won 14 grand slam doubles titles together, and serena's back in the court tomorrow for her third round of singles. so, joining me now is cnn sports correspondent carolyn manno -- so, serena is playing a lot of tennis. >> yeah, she's playing a lot of tennis. what did you think? what do you think of the match tonight? >> it's tough to beat a quality opponent when you haven't played doubles together in more than four years. so it was a tough match for them. i was struck by a couple of things. i wasn't surprised by the way they left the court. there was no pageantry, like we saw with serena's first match. they acknowledge the crowd, they waved to the crowd, but it
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was very businesslike, there was no tears. and that's very much in line with venus. she's very different from serena in that way. she doesn't need all of that. i said coming into the tournament, she could retire and not tell anybody, and that would be fine with her. that's who she is. but as i was watching them tonight i, was a little sentimental about it. i start thinking about the beginning of their careers. they are 42 and 40 years old. >> but here's the thing, we watched serena's -- venus's career start, right? her as a -- and that we saw venus come along. serena, i should say. >> yeah, i was thinking about venus as the original trailblazer. the one that was on the scene first. the one that was so talented first. and when you watch serena tonight on the court, i was kind of feeling like the little sister, who turned in the phenom, who is still impressive -- >> we watch it happen before our very eyes. we saw it happening, right? >> it's very special. serena needed a lot of matches coming into doubles play, so that's probably part of the incentive for why she decided to this, with venus, and put them in a situation, where they
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need to play doubles. but the sentimental is still in me feels like she also did it for venus. serena calls venus her rock. and venus calls serena at the boss. she told me, she's the boss. she told me to play doubles, so i'm going to play doubles. they have leaned on each other in a way that is helped them to survive three decades of everything that has come their way. there are a role model for women. they are a role model for minority communities. they are exceptional tennis players. serena is a mother, there's not too many people who can understand her and she's needed venus at times in her career, and to be able to give that back to her tonight and to be able to play doubles, because you want to keep playing tennis -- they hate to lose. they don't want to say goodbye. >> her third round of singles tomorrow, when you expect to see? >> tommy out of h is a great player. i think it's going to be a tough test. i will say, the crowd for serena in singles has been unlike anything i've ever heard at the u.s. open through these initial rounds.
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and so -- >> i have to say, caroline is saying, we are serena crazy. >> am i like to say that? >> yeah, yeah. >> the whole country is serena crazy and is tomljanovi a player that can crack under pressure. i've never seen the situation curated around an athlete like what we are doing with serena right now. this is a boxing match, now the tennis match, when you had adam a court at arthur s, and you had out in front of a crowd that keeps getting bigger and bigger and is now 30,000 and millions are watching. there's an incredible amount of pressure to play her. and that freed her. she's playing with a freedom right now that she says she hasn't had in three decades and i think we are all here for it. >> i love having these conversations. and it's a break from politics. >> i was gonna say, i don't want any part of what happened in the last segment. [laughs] but i'll come back anytime. >> that's just how we do it. it's all love. but this has been great to watch. great to watch. as we said, it's been great to witness over the 30 years, these two young women and now women who have come into their own and really just been role
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models. >> there are incredible parts of their legacy. which is the numbers and the red sea legacy. and there are parts you can't quantify. what they've done for tennis, and for women, and for women of color. you cannot quantify what that has done beyond the sport of tennis. they are truly remarkable. both of them. >> thank you, carolyn manno. good to see you. we will be right back.
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