taiwan, erin, where the army staged two days of live fire military drills. they were really trying to show how they are prepared for combat. and part of the reason why they're trying to protect strength and show force right now is because of the embarrassment that resulted from these civilian drones breaching these civilian areas, these military outposts. >> thank you very much and for all that reporting. thanks to all of you. thanks to all of you. anderson starts now. - - captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com good evening. tonight the evolving reactions to the reporting by "the washington post" published last night around this time, some 24 hours ago. "the post" reported that fbi agents recovered a document from mar-a-lago describing a foreign country's nuclear capabilities. when reached by "the washington post" for comment, an attorney did not deny the substance of it.

instead he said something we've started hearing a lot from defenders of the former president in the last 24 hours, deflecting from the facts, focusing on the leaks. marco rubio serves on the intelligence committee, explaining away the way the fbi classified documents as a storage argument. >> this is really at its core a storage argument they're making. they're arguing there are documents there. they don't deny he should have access to the documents. i don't think a fight over storage of documents is worthy of what they've done. >> now senator rubio and others are focusing on apparent leaks. >> that doesn't seem like the kind of thing you should have in your post-presidential desk drawer. >> well, let's break this down. first of all, again, we really don't know. let's go back and understand that all of this information is coming from one side and one place. and that is sources with

knowledge of the investigation. who are the sources with knowledge of the investigation? the fbi and the justice department. and they are leaking to the media. >> so, to defense, the former president's son, eric, added a twist of his own. >> you have the fbi spending more time leaking stuff to the press. these pictures, you think my father happened to leave documents all over his office floor. my father is a very, very neat guy. he doesn't leave documents staged all over an office floor. >> to be clear, no one has suggested this is the way the fbi found these documents, least of all the justice department, which says in court filings they were mostly in boxes and some in desks in the former president's office. it's unclear what eric trump is trying to say there. what's clear is he did not take the opportunity to explain what one classified document, let alone many, were doing at his dad's resort. he did call the court approved search a fishing expedition.

josh hawley added a dose of what aboutism. >> hillary clinton had 110 classified emails that she deleted off of her server. eight of those were labelled top secret. what was done to hillary clinton? nothing. >> but if you're concerned about her, shouldn't you be concerned about trump too? >> first of all, i don't know what the facts are with regard to the former president. what i can tell you, it is laughable. stuffed classified information into his socks and other pieces of clothing if memory serves. and nothing was done. nothing. >> keeping in mind, you might want to tell that to sandy burger, the former national security adviser pleaded guilty, fined # $50,000, disbarred, and stripped of security clearance. listen to what the former president's own ex-attorney general said just this morning. >> i think, as i've said all

along, there are two questions. will the government be able to make out a technical case? do they have evidence by which they could indict somebody on, including him? that's the first question. and i think they're getting very close to that point. >> to his second question, whether the former president should be indicted, he said he hoped not. however, he added that there would be considerable pressure to do it because people would ask questions about fairness and whether a former president should be above the law. quoting bill barr now, the former attorney general, look, if anyone else would have gotten indicted, why not indict him? the fact the former attorney general is even entertaining the idea of charging a former president is certainly something. before getting to the growing legal ramifications, i want to bring in our national security counterintelligence voices tonight, former fbi director andrew mccabe, and james clapper, currently cnn national security analyst. director clapper, you've called these documents the holiest of holy when it comes to sensitive information. can you just explain possible

national security risks for the u.s. if an adversary were to gain access to them while they were in mar-a-lago? >> well, anderson, first thing i would like to say here is that we don't actually know the substantive content of any of these documents. you can certainly infer things from their classification. and in this particular case, the subject topic matter, assuming the reporting is accurate. and the reason this is so important from an intelligence perspective is that when i said they're the holiest of holiest is because the reason nation states make a decision to have nuclear weapons is because they decided they need them for their very existence, for their survival. ironically enough, this is something we and north korea have in common. we both decided at different times that we needed nuclear weapons as deterrent from an attack from an adversary.

accordingly, from an intelligence perspective, knowledge of the country's capabilities are most closely guarded secrets that they have and in turn are the hardest to glean for us. so, if these documents are exposed or revealed, they'll reveal two things potentially. one, of course, is what we do know about a foreign nation's nuclear capabilities, which in turn could lead to back-engineering by that state to figure out how we got it, that information, and close it off. and it could take years to restore that. that actually means by virtue of the fact we're more ignorant of a nuclear-quipped country, that that diminishes our own national security. so, that, you know, that's a big deal. and then the other side of that

coin is it also could reveal what we don't know, which then could serve to reinforce on the part of that nation what they're doing to continue to mask information and prevent us from gaining insight into their nuclear capabilities. so, on several levels, this is potentially quite damaging in my opinion. >> and andrew, once national security officials became aware that something of this magnitude was included in these documents -- again, if "the washington post" reporting is correct -- what steps would be necessary to ensure that these secrets in fact remain secret? i mean, the whole special classification of this and how they're stored seems to be a big piece of this. >> it certainly is. and no fact makes that clearer than the reporting that several of the agents on the search warrant lacked the necessary access to those special access programs to actually review the documents. so, these things are so limited

in their distribution to people with not just top secret but sci access and special access program authorities that you're going to have to search to find the right people to be able to really dig into these documents, to conduct the sort of assessment that director clapper is talking about to understand, like, what have we lost here? what's the worst case scenario in terms of these documents falling into the hands of an adversary? what have we compromise snd sources and methods? have we betrayed the trust of a trusted ally? some of those nuclear nations who could have been the topic of discussion in these pieces, if the reporting is accurate, are friends of ours. they're not all adversaries. so, they could compromise existing important relationships with allied countries. so, there's just very many level of potential damage here. and at the very first outset you've got to find the right people with access to these programs to be able to even look

at the stuff. it's really complicated. >> and director clapper, the former president and his supporters have made the claim that he declassified all the documents found at mar-a-lago. obviously there's been a lot of reporting on that since then, people pointing out that obviously to declassify all this, while a president does have powers in that regard, there would be a paper trail of it. there would be other people who were informed. there would be other agencies that were informed. does it make any sense to you that he would declassify material related to nuclear capabilities? >> well, no, it doesn't. and in fact, none of this makes sense. but most acutely, i think, nuclear-related information. and it's also something of a nonsector to say, to assert, he declassified something and nobody else knows about it. so, if the rest of the government still believes

whatever he mental magic wand he waved to declassify, if no one else knows that still treats it as though it's classified, well essentially it's still classified. there has to be some evidence of a declassification written on the document. and if they were declassified, it would be documented. >> yeah. >> and best of our knowledge, it wasn't. >> director clapper, appreciate it. andrew mccabe, as well. more now on the legal implications if the post reporting is direct and the president a nuclear related document at mar-a-lago. he calls anything nuclear related a hoax. joining us, el jot williams, carrie cordero. also with us political commentator, david urban, who served as campaign strategist to the former president. how critical is it to figure out why the former president had this material in conjunction with who may have had access to

it? >> well, it's critical for the intelligence damage assessment for them to understand not sort of what his thinking process was but what actions actually were taken with respect to the documents. so, the factual investigation about did anybody else see these documents, were they communicated to anyone, who else had access to them, who was the intention to do with them? so, was there something that triggered the search that was trying to prevent it, or had it just been so long that they had been trying to get the documents back voluntarily that they finally just had to execute the physical search once they got the court order. but now that we know a little bit more details about the nature of at least one of these particular documents and we know the classifications of others, there's consequences beyond just the u.s. national security establishment. as the director was saying earlier, there are foreign policy considerations. there are foreign countries -- as andy was saying, there are

foreign countries, allies of ours, that have to conduct, potentially -- i'm sure there are other countries who want to know what country was the subject of that particular document. they want to know whether their capabilities have been compromised. >> right. >> so, it triggers not just something in u.s. interests, but interests that are fundamental to the existential survival of other nations of our allies around the world. >> david, you said last night, when we talked, that the former president having these kind of top secret documents at his beach resort for 18 months is inexcusable. the former president's allies continue to basically kind of not really address this particular story. they're focusing on the leaks. and i understand the concern over leaks. do you still -- are you still of the opinion that this is inexcusable, if in fact "the washington post" reporting is correct? >> anderson, so, again, you remember my background, right? i went to west point, served in the military, had a very top

secret security clearance myself and dealt with secure and classified materials for a long period of my career. these documents, special access program documents, are incredibly, incredibly sensitive. it has been outlined previously, right, the secrets they hold, the sources and methods, how they're collected, what they contain, are limited to very, very few people. so, it's concerning not just that they were there. but who else had access to them? who put them in a box? who carried them down? what lawyers went through and inventoried these documents and read them and said, this is okay for us to keep? there are so many questions that have yet to be answered that it's troubling. if the reporting is true, it's very, very troubling. and having special access program documents in any facility out side of scif is just mind boggling. >> elliott, do you think this complicates the role of the special master, given how sensitive these documents are? is there any legitimate claim to executive privilege? >> well, you know, it's an

excellent question, anderson. the special master's role was complicated enough based on the fact the judge never quite defined what the special master would be doing. look, there never had to be a special master named in this case. now of course that's where we are and the justice department and president trump's attorneys are going to sort of make some sense of that. but, you know, getting to david's point about who gets these kinds of clearances, in order to even get a special master, they're going to have to find someone who either, a, already has an incredibly high level of security clearance, or b, get one very, very quickly. and number two, will be palpable to all the parties. so, yes, the sensitivity of these documents -- assuming they're there -- is going to create incredibly complicated situations for the special master. again, to be clear, the judge could have left the situation in place, and the president could have moved to just exclude the evidence of trial if he ever got there. but needless to say, this is where we are, and we'll just have to see in about a week what

it will look like. >> the federal government has the option of appealing the decision to appoint a special master. do you think they should do that? is there any deadline for filing appeal? >> so, my understanding is that right now there's not a deadline that they have to file an appeal. and i would imagine that the justice department is still considering whether to do that. i think it's a really hard call, anderson, whether or not they appeal in this case because there's both a legal aspect to it. so, from my perspective because i don't judge that there was a reason to appoint the special master and that there is the potential to really create some bad law here if they don't challenge it, if they let this special master proceed in this case without challenge and without laying out the arguments, at least action for why it was unwarranted in this particular case as compared to any other case around the country where a physical search is executed based on a court order. so, that's one -- you know, that's one piece of it. >> david, how hard do you think it will be to find a special

master who has the security clearance to do this? >> well, so, anderson, i don't know. as was pointed out, you're going to have to find someone who is not only ts sci, but can be read into the programs. they have to be read into the appropriate agencies. because you hold the clearance doesn't mean you can have access to these programs. the 11th circuit may not be the most favorable circuit to appeal to. if the department of justice appeals and loses -- don't forget, the trump administration appointed over 25% of the circuit court judges that are sitting currently right now on the bench are trump appointed judges. if they get an unfavorable ruling here, it could be very bad precedent going forward. that's something else the department of justice needs to take into consideration. >> david urban, carrie cordero, elliott williams, appreciate it. you'll hear election workers being trained to break the rules so they can act as -- this is a direct quote -- undercover

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that's happening in this upcoming election, so we're going to have to keep our heads on a swivel and just start documents irregularities. >> reporter: the poll workers are hired by towns and clerks. >> if they were told by their trainers they could not have their phones with them. >> i would say maybe just hide it. and maybe hide a small pen. you need to take accurate notes. >> if we are observed with a pen and a piece of paper writing on anything, they just said they would ask us to -- that they would remove us. >> that's why you've got to do it secretly. >> reporter: this training for the primary was just practice for the upcoming midterms. and it's not just what's being taught. it's who is doing the teaching. >> we think a lot of the monkey business that's happening is happening at the aggravation location. >> that is election denier patrick, who coled this training session. he's a former state senator who

wrote a book called "the 2020 coup" and has a blog filled with debunked conspiracy theories about voting machines. he spread so much disinformation about the 2020 election, he got this cease and desist letter from dominion, the voting machine company saying, you are knowingly sowing discord in our democracy, all the while soliciting exorbitant amounts of money. he's appeared on steve bannon's show and with the my pillow guy, mike lindell. >> we did see evidence it is connected to the internet. >> reporter: there is no evidence any voting machines were connected to the internet in the election. but he is still asking republican poll workers to check. >> there's a little icon at the bottom right hand corner and what i'm trying to do is see whether or not these machines are connected to the internet. >> reporter: he refused to speak to cnn, but the other leader did. >> you are training these people to be undercover spies. that's the words you were using. i'm wondering why.

>> well, first of all, if you remember in the election two years ago, there were so many problems. >> reporter: with election staffing, with who counted ballots. but she's an election denier too. she filed a baseless lawsuit in detroit alleging election fraud in 2020. it was thrown out. >> to kind of reframe it and make it more fun and interesting, i said, just, you know, instead of causing a bunch of scenes and things like that, just write it down. just kind of be like spies and let me, you know, let me know what's going on. >> reporter: while michigan's primary election went smoothly -- >> i did nothing wrong. >> reporter: -- a poll challenger was thrown out of detroit's ballot counting center for repeatedly getting too close to workers. what's happening in michigan is happening across the nation. attempts are underway to make sure the ultra-maga run the election process from poll

workers all the way up to cand candidates for secretary of state and attorney general. kaleida mitchell has led swing states. >> we'll be able to make sure that there's another set of eyes going on, watching the ballots, watching the voting, watching the process, knowing what's going on in the election offices. >> these training sessions are planned chaos. these people are being radicalized. >> reporter: this man used to lead the michigan republican party. >> they think they're saving democracy from the cannibal socialists, where in fact what they're doing is eroding the public's faith in elections. >> drew griffin joins me now. are states prepared if a bunch of ultra maga election workers show up this election? >> they are trying to get

prepared. michigan state attorney says her clerks are prepared and they can remove some of these people if they are violating the rules. but i think more importantly, anderson, the clerks tell me these election deniers, these maga people, actually are born of ignorance of the voting system. and when they actually get them in there to do the work of the election and see the process, many times they become pretty good poll workers. so, there is some hope there, anderson. >> also, as you report, when you drill down on a lot of these people who are spreading these lies, they're all making money from this in one way or another. that guy had a book that he's selling full of conspiracy theories. they have websites. you know, they're selling stuff. >> this is a complete industry. this is a 100% grift. i'm telling you this goes back to our mike pillow -- you know, the my pillow guy interview we had featured on your show.

he's just riding this seminar after seminar vote denial things they're going through. it has turned into a cottage industry and more they can keep it going on their blogs and podcasts and little radio shows, the more money they make. >> drew griffin, i appreciate it. thanks. coming up next, the obamas return to the white house for the official unveiling of their white house portraits. david axelrod served in the administration. he and nancy gibbs join us for a look at the relationship between the former president and his successor, president biden. (chuckle) and i found it in f five minutes. travel back k in time in no tie with the 1950 census on ancestry.

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former president obama and first lady michelle obama were joined by family, friends, and staff for the unveiling of their white house portraits. it is the return that did not occur during the last administration. according to one of our guests who was next there, david axelrod, it was a joyful reunion. >> someone once said that if you're looking for a friend in washington, get a dog. our family was lucky enough to have two wonderful dogs. but i was even luckier to have a chance to spend eight years working day and night with a man who became a true partner and a true friend. joe, it is now america's good fortune to have you as

president. >> too often in this country, people feel like they have to look a certain way or act a certain way to fit in, that they have to make a lot of money or come from a certain group or class or faith in order to matter. but what we're looking at today, a portrait of a biracial kid with an unusual name, and the daughter of a water pump operator and a stay-at-home mom, what we are seeing is a reminder that there's a place for everyone in this country. >> joined now by cnn political commentator, david axle robinh rod and amy gibbs, co-author of "the president's club: inside the world's most most exclusive fraternity."

>> anderson, it was really extraordinary. there was a tremendous gathering of cabinet members and staff members, some of them who are working for president biden now. but it was as if the years had melted away and everybody was together again in common cause. and there was a -- there was a sense of joy that has been so absent from our politic s for a while. and it was -- it was more than i imagined it would be. it was quite an occasion. >> it's interesting because you heard first lady michelle obama saying traditions like this matter, how symbolic are moments like these and how important they are not only to the office of the presidency but to democracy itself. >> and i think that's right. yes, they're symbolic, but there's substance in the story. today the story has sort of skipped a chapter. but normally you can see two politicians fight a fierce campaign against each other like bush and clinton in 1992, come

together for one of these unveilings, and just honor their service and remind people that president is the one person elected by all the people, who serves all the people, including the ones who didn't vote for him. obama today talk about the presidency as being a relay race, which suggested at some point they view themselves, democrat and republican, as being on the same team. it's like during transitions, when the incoming and outgoing presidents meet to talk about national security and then they ride together on inauguration day to the capitol. all of those these gestures that michelle obama was right. they're important and they send a powerful message about the importance of institutions and the continuity that is more powerful than some of the things that divide us. >> david, i just want to play something that president biden said today to the crowd. let's watch. >> there are few people i've ever known with more integrity,

decency, and moral courage than barack obama. mr. president, nothing could have prepared me better or more for being president of the united states than being at your side for eight years. >> what is the relationship between president biden and former president obama as well? there's been a lot written about tension among their staffs. how do you see it? >> these men weren't particularly close when barack obama tapped joe biden to be vice president. and i watched their relationship grow. you know, when i went to see biden, i was one of the last people to interview him when we were considering him for vice president, when senator obama was. he said, look, i ran for president because i thought i would be the best president. but the voters had a different idea. now i want to help barack. a year into his administration,

he called me into his office, he said, i was wrong. the right guy won. i'm just so pleased to be his partner and working with him. he's an extraordinary guy. that's what he believed, and they became personally close. so, yes, there's always going to be those kinds of tensions. there's rivalry and so on. but at the core, these men had a real relationship, i think more than perhaps any vice president and president in recent history. >> nancy, as you know, as we talk about these portraits would have been unveiled during the trump tradition. but former president trump upended what's been a 40-year tradition. you've written about the president's club and how presidents have honored those traditions, even if they diverge. do you think it will go back to that? >> i do. i think 240 years of history is pretty powerful. and it's important to remember that donald trump's rejection of the president's club wasn't just incidental to his presidency. it was central to it. the bush's, the clinton's, the

obama's represented everything that he was against, all ofl their norms and networks and knowledge. and so it was a very deliberate thing for him to distance himself in a kind of equal opportunity way from all of them. i think most presidents throughout history have found their predecessors were really useful as occasional diplomats, as back channel communicators, as the few people who they can look to as peers because they have all carried that same weight on their shoulders and they carry a lot of the same scars. >> david, what do you think the odds are that president biden would unveil the trump portraits? do you think the former president would even accept an invitation back to the white house? >> well, seeing as how he doesn't believe that he's a former president, i don't know that he's ready for a portrait unveiling. it's a really interesting question. i think it's a tough question.

there's no receptivity on their part. let me say to nancy's point, when we were in transition between two administrations, george w. bush could not have been more gracious to us. and it wasn't because we had been so kind to him in the campaign. we were not. it was because he viewed himself as a trustee of the democracy, and he wanted to hand it off to us in good stead and in good shape and give us a chance to succeed. and i will never forget the kindnesses that he and his team extended to us during that period. that's how it should be. whether it'll ever -- i don't know that donald trump buys into it. nancy is right. it's not part of his political project. but most presidents understand that. >> david axelrod, nancy gibbs, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. the latest on the ukrainian counteroffensive to retake territory from russia. and a look inside the fsb, which replaced the kgb after the fall of the soviet union.

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ventures. it was as a young opposition campaigner that mikhail caught the attention of the kremlin's security service, the fsb. his later work for alexei navalny, russia's most prominent jailed opposition leader, must have made him particularly valuable. but he was potentially targeted with fsb threats. >> translator: they knew i was a boy in military service and gave me a simple choice, either to cooperate with them or go to prison for years. basically i was threatened and as a 19-year-old student very frightened. there are so many stories, even videos, of people being abused in prison. to even think about that is scary. >> you were working with navalny. what kind of information did you give the fsb about him? >> translator: i wasn't his close friend, so i couldn't give them information specifically about him. i was just working in a regional office, so they were more interested in when we were planning to hold meetings or

protests and of course what kind of investigation we were conducting. we even cooperated on some of these investigations following any media outcry the fsb would imprison or protect a particular official. >> reporter: but as well as keeping taps on activists inside the country, the secretive russian security services also appeared to have been stepping up surveillance of russians living abroad. mikhail says the fsb pulled him out of russia and sent him to the former soviet republic of georgia to infiltrate the growing expatriate community there along side a network of other fsb informants already in place. >> tra . >> reporter: informants, like this man, say the fsb also threatened him with prison, unless he sent detailed reports

from georgia, on what russian opposition there was thinking. specifically, on the ukraine war, launched in february this year, which forced many kremlin critics into exile. and the fsb's informant operations, he tells me, into overdrive. >> what does that say to you about what the fears are in moscow about what could happen in the future? what are they frightened on? >> translator: russian special services are very well aware of our history. >> reporter: when a huge russian immigrant community emerges abroad where people speak freely to each other, work on projects together, help ukrainian refugees and create a mini-russia abroad which is not under the control of fsb, they are afraid that history will repeat itself. in 1917, lenin came to moscow and started a revolution, and they're terrified the regime will be threatened once again by war. >> reporter: it was there opposition to the war, they say

finally compelled them to turn their backs on their fsb handlers. mikhail even appeared on georgian television berating the russian regime. >> translator: i texted the fbs guys and told them they started this war, that it was horrible. i saw the images online and they turned my world upside do you know, as i not only felt hatred toward the russian government but toward myself for working for him for all these years. >> reporter: it is self-hatred and a deep sense of guilt for the lies and betrayals he says he was forced to make. >> and cnn's matthew chance joins us now from london. it's fascinating to hear from these two. it would seem they're taking a huge risk in speaking out. >> reporter: i think they are generally, speaking and turning your back on the russian security service, the fsb, you

know, is obviously very risky. people have been killed in russia for far less than that. but it's particularly interesting, given the situation that we're seeing in russia now, where there have been a crackdown on dissidents, politicians who are in pop situation to the kremlin, independent journalists. they've all been systemically rounded up and have either left the country or been put in prison. so, there really is a climate of fear in the country. to see people like this step forward and speak out indicates that, you know, despite those risks, there are probably a whole lot of other people in russia as well that have remained silent but share the horror and their anger with the russian state for embarking on this conflict in ukraine. >> yeah, and we've certainly seen russians who have left the country getting killed in places that they think are safe in england and elsewhere for

speaking out. matthew chance, appreciate it, fascinating. the search is over tonight for the second suspect wanted for the string of deadly stabbings in canada. we'll have new details. also the family of a slain mom, eliza fletcher, releases a statement as the man accused of abducting her appears in court. what they're saying tonight about the mom, wife, and teacher, who was kidnapped while jogging. a live report from memphis coming up. ♪ ♪ it's what sanctuary could look like... feel like... sound like... even smell like. more on that soon. ♪ ♪ the best part? the prequel is pretty sweet too. ♪ ♪

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we have this just in. police in canada have taken into custody the second suspect wanted in connection with ten deadly stabbings in the province of saskatchewan over the weekend. on monday night, we told you the other suspect was found dead. the two brothers carried out the attacks on sunday. the youngest victim was 23, the oldest was 78. all the victims were from james

smith cree nation. there's no word on a motive or whether the brothers knew the victims. now to memphis, where the family of e liza fletcher, who was abducted in an early morning jog and was found dead. what happened in court today? >> well, anderson, the man accused of killing eliza fletcher was supposed to have his arraignment in this courthouse behind me. he was in the courthouse, so was the judge, family members of the victims, so was the news media. the judge announced he was postponing it until tomorrow because there was a complication with the public defender representing the defendant. the arraignment will take place tomorrow. so, there was no arraignment, no plea. but court business was taken care of, the judge acknowledging this defendant is charged with murdering this woman. he told us during arraignment he was charged with kidnapping. in addition he agreed with a

prosecution request to get rid of any possibility for bond right now. we can tell you the defendant was wearing a mask, but he showed no emotion whatsoever. eliza has a big family, parents, a husband, two small children. none of them were in the court, but she did have aunts, uncles, and a cousin sitting in the courtroom. >> has the family made a statement. >> reporter: nothing on camera yet, and that's understandable. they did release a paper statement. we are heart broken and devastated by the senseless loss. eliza was such a joy to so many. her family, friends, colleagues, students, members of her church congre congregation, and everyone who knew her. we are grateful to state and local law enforcement for their tireless efforts to find eliza and bring justice for this horrible crime. up next, two big announcements.

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