thank you so much for watching with us tonight. i'll be back tomorrow. "d "don lemon tonight" starts now. >> i envy you. you get to go home and rest. i got two more hours to work. >> i'll be up with you. >> i got miles to go. see you tomorrow night. this is "don lemon tonight" and barack and michelle obama were at the white house today. there was a time that would be normal, expected a former president and first lady back at the house where they lived for eight years for the unveiling of their official white house port portraits, hosted by the sitting president. >> barack and michelle, welcome home. [ applause ] >> welcome home. >> let's face it. how much normal have we seen the past few years?

not a lot. donald trump wasn't going to honor his predecessor when he launched his car spreading the racist birther lie at the 44th president of the united states duly elected twice was not born in this country. that was far from normal but what we saw today said a lot about the office of the presidency, the people we elect to hold it and the peaceful transfer of power to one president to the next. >> i've always described the presidency as a relay race. you take the baton from someone. you run your leg as hard and as well as you can and then you hand it off to someone else. knowing that your work will be incomplete. the portraits hanging in the white house chronicle the runners in that race. each of us tasked with trying to bring the country we love closer to its highest aspirations.

>> now, just imagine someone else speaking in that manner. let's be honest. can't. that's what a normal presidency is supposed to be about and today we saw a former president not afraid to make fun of himself even with the unveiling of his official white house portrait. >> what i love about robert's work is that he paints people exactly the way they are. for better or worse. [ laughter ] he captures every wrinkle on your face, every crease in your shirt, you'll note he refused to hide any of my gray hairs. refused my request to make my ears smaller. [ laughter ] he also talked me out of wearing a tan suit, by the way.

[ laughter ] [ applause ] >> self-deprecating humor there. a tan suit. remember the tan suit? remember that? the biggest scandal ever. >> i think it was shocking to a lot of people. what does this suggest? is this an effort by the political gurus to make him look warmer? whoever talked him into going into a tan suit. >> why did you take issue with the suit? >> because you know the image makers in the white house, here is a president coming out in a serious moment where he should be addressing the country on a serious matter and he looked like he was on his way to a party at the hamptons. >> ronald reagan wore a tan suit, by the way. people yelled about this barack obama wearing a tan suit for weeks. tan suit gate. do i need to add that no classified documents were harmed or put at risk by wearing the wearing of a summer suit? [ laughter ] i know, right?

but i die digerss. michelle obama said our country's traditions like the unveiling of their portraits matter. >> traditions like this matter. not just for those of us who hold these positions but for everyone participating in and watching our democracy. you see, the people, they make their voices heard with their vote. we hold an inauguration to ensure a peaceful transition of power and once our time is up, we move on. >> the former first lady going on to talk about what america means despite our divisions. >> what we're looking at today, a portrait of a by riracial kid with an unusual name and the daughter of a water pump operator and stay at home mom,

we're seeing there is a place for everyone in this country. as much as some folks might want us to believe that story lost some of its shine, that division and discrimination and everything else might have dimmed its light, i still know deep in my heart that what we share as my husband continues to say is so much bigger than what we don't. our democracy is so much stronger than our differences. >> so i hope you're listening to those words with a critical ear, right? not a political or an ideological one. they're speaking about all americans, not just democrats, not just republicans, all americans. that's what they're talking about. this isn't about politics. this isn't about party. they're speaking the truth. a day like this is a good time

to remind ourselves of what we used to expect from our presidents. and i'm going to go and listen, george bush, laura bush went back to the white house when barack obama was in office and the same thing happened. one time it didn't in recent history. what's up with that? so that's -- this is how important -- this speaks to the importance of who is in that office and what the office stands for. what kind of president you want even when you didn't vote for them. even when you didn't agree with them. even when you thought they were wr wrong. on some level we expect them to take their oath in the office seriously. the oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution. that's what a normal presidency

is. the question is, will we still see that in the future? who better to help answer that and talk about all of this is then presidential historian jon mea meacham, the author of "then there was light abraham lincoln and the american struggle." thank you for joining us. good evening to you, sir. this felt like a lot bigger than a portrait unveiling to me and to most americans, michelle obama stressing the peaceful transfer of power. she said once our time is up, we move on. it's hard not to think about that in the context of the former president 45, his attack on our democracy. >> it's impossible not to think of it. she uses the word tradition to hand on sand one of the strengts of the american public has changed in scope but it has been

the nature of the people who rise to the pen knicle of power they try to model the best of american character and that's the kind of things mrs. obama and president obama were talking about. it's you do your duty, you fulfill your term, you try to fulfill your oath and you pass it on. and that has been broken in recent years. this is a 40-year, i think, about 45-year tradition that we saw today. i think i'm right president carter is the first president that asked president ford to come back in the 1970s. very difficult 1976 was a very close race. regan and bush did it. they were the same party, obviously and served together but the clintons and the bush,

the senior bushes did it and as you mentioned, the obama george w. bush moment where george w said now i'm so glad because barack can look at my portrait and say what would george do? that kind of -- and you can argue it's too insidery or club but there is something that ultimately helps the country if the people in the power have a self-deprecating character personally and a kind of genuine humility which is to submit to the rule of law. which is what their oath, if you believe matters at all which is why we swear to god, their oath is to preserve, protect and prthe key part of that execution of duty is to obey the rule of law,

except reality, put the common good above your own personal gain as much as you can. and you saw two people today that did that, obama and biden. >> respect for was office and traditions that go along withholding that office. i mean, these last three presidents, biden, trump and obama are linked. the pendudulum swinging back an forth, is this how history will record them? >> it's a remarkable era. it's -- look at the last just the last 20 years. the very, very different backgrounds of the people that have risen to ultimate power, an era may i just add that began with a tennesseen al gore who accepted a decision with which he strongly disagreed as he -- at the supreme court and peacefully and graciously having

won the popular vote, having a disputed count in florida accepted the transfer of power and did this with grace with an eye on the national good. that's how this era began. george w. bush son of a president, grandson of a senator, he passes the baton to alabama who i think i'm right spent one vacation with his father in his whole life. so george w. bush a man with a dominant father, coming from the highest reaches of the american elite, barack obama as mrs. obama said, you know, mixed race kid with a funny name, he becomes president of the united states. then to obama, to a new york real estate developer who is become this populous d

constitutional figure and an irish catholic kid from delaware in pennsylvania. you have this american experience, not everybody, doesn't reflect all experience. they're all men. only one is a person of color. but when the history of this era is written, you could just do an immense amount of american history starting with al gore's concession to george w. bush to president obama to president trump and president biden. >> i want to hear more from the former president and the former first lady. here it is. >> these portraits have a special significance because as joe mentioned, they will hang in the white house alongside portraits of other presidents and first ladies dating back to george and martha. >> for me this day is not just about what has happened. it's also about what could happen. because a girl like me, she was never supposed to be up there

next to jacqueline kennedy and dolly madison. she was never supposed to live in this house and she definitely wasn't supposed to serve as first lady. >> yeah. the idea that the first black president and the first black first lady's portraits are now hanging in the white house is a pretty amazing and should be marked for the historical feat that it is. >> absolutely. it's also a great occasion for me to bore you with a point that is vital. i think as a test of both citizen shiship and leadership, way to think about this in our lives is what i sometimes think of as the portrait test. if we can imagine for a minute, some day there will be a portrait of us somewhere and someone will be looking at it and thinking about us. politicians by the way love this because they can't imagine a world where we aren't staring at their portrait. it has a certain utility there. what will the past say? what will the future say?

what will people who look at these portraits think of them? and the obamas conducted themselves with immense grace and skill and service and so these portraits are not just about capturing a moment. they're about inspiration and sometimes warning. you know, you look at richard nixon's portrait and think i'd rather go to china than break into the dnc. that's a good set of lessons to bring but shouldn't we all be conducting ourselves at this incredibly difficult hour with an eye on and an awareness of that our moral undertakings at the moment will be judged by prosperity and shouldn't we conduct ourselves in a way that when people look whether it's a portrait in the white house or a snapshot on your grandkids' phone and they don't we want the

people who encounter those portraits to think they did the best they could? >> you know, i mentioned we just both mentioned the last ceremony like this was in 2012. that's when then president barack obama held an unveiling for george w. bush and laura bush. i want to play this moment from george w. bush. watch. >> i am also pleased, mr. president, that when you are wondering these halls as you wrestle with tough decisions you'll now be able to gaze at this portrait and ask what would george do? [ laughter ] >> that was the moment that you mentioned, listen, you're not only a historian, you occasionally advice president biden. these vents aren't meant to be partisan. is there a part of you that worries that this return to tradition and the idea that the united states presidency is bigger than any one person and it could be short lived? >> of course it's short lived, that's why we all go to church every week. you know, these things are --

this is -- we're involved in a human enterprise. we do the right thing for five minutes and then we do the wrong thing for ten. great line in tom sawyer, the e advantage lest was so good huck fin was saved until tuesday. this is who we are. you get up every morning and you do it. and i think the country missed this. a huge part of the country. i know i did. i missed this from 2017, 2021. and i think that the more we can remind ourselves that we have overcome division in the past, we have come through war. we have come through depression, we have come through strife. that's not a guarantee that we're going to do it again. but the portraits in that house on pennsylvania avenue are portraits of flawed people who send a lot more often than they

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a portrait unveiling for barack obama and first lady michelle obama serving as a return to norms in washington and a reminder democracy itself is at risk and cnn learning tonight former president barack obama set to hit the campaign trail this fall. so joining me now to discuss, senior political analyst john avalon and scott jennings here with cnn senior political analyst nia mallika henderson. good evening one and all. so good to have you-all.

john, i'll start with you and go from jon meacham to john avalon. easy transition. we're learning the former president barack obama will publicly appear with candidates and congressional and gubernatorial races and will also campaign with candidates for some sec starry of state races in key battle ground states. not just saying that democracy is at risk here but going to put skin in the game. >> yeah, it's significant he's campaigning for secretary of state. that's not the thing the office of an ex president would focus on but highlights how important those offices are when you have people running that are election deniers with the promise of trying to overturn a future election. but i think obama is uniquely energized in the democratic base and unifies it and in someways beyond president biden. and so i think he'll inject some energy. >> what did you think when you heard the former first lady nia remind people of the importance of a peaceful transfer of power? we saw what happened on january

6th. were her remarks a rebuke or warning of some sort? >> yeah, i think all of the above a rebuke, a warning and a reality check of this moment that we're in where you do have an ex president who has spread a big lie that millions of americans believe and now people who could be poised to run the voting in different states saying they could overturn the will of the people. you know, it was a deeply i thought patriotic speech. it was a deeply hopeful speech at a time when lots of americans are despairing about the state of our democracy precisely because of what is going on across the country with some of the folks running for office. only michelle obama could have gone there in many ways. with we know she was talking about donald trump and january 6th that meant america didn't have a peaceful transfer of power. that was obstructed by those

insurrectionists on january 6th. i thought it was sort of sobering line, sort of political line, a line that needed to be said and a line that only she could say, right? this is sort of, you know, the first lady being able to go and do and say things that the former president obama didn't necessarily want to do. it might have brought a little more heat than light. >> was only scott last week that the current president joe biden called out trump and his allies for trying to undermine democracy. many people don't accept the president, president biden is a legitimate president and that is simply because they had been repeatedly told by trump and his allies. so what needs to be done at this point so that everyone trusts and believes the outcome of the results of an election. >> that is a great and large question. i mean, i think every political leader whether you're a president, former president, office holder, party person, if you have some level of responsibility in american

politics, you ought to be honest with the people under you or following you when the elections are over who won and lost and i don't think that means candidates and campaigns can't unveil themselves of mechanisms if a race is close but at some juncture, the way this works is somebody wins, and somebody loses and we accept it and then we move on and fight it out again two years later. that's the beauty of american democracy, we get to do it again in two years and do it again two years after that and it's not the end of the world if you lose an election and it's not the end all be all if you win win and to me, that's the ultimate responsibility of everyone in the system. in both parties. >> yeah. go ahead. >> i just add to that that i mean, you know, patriotism in a democratic republic is actually about respecting the peaceful transfer of power. that is the larger democratic norms. it incumbent upon republicans in positions of power running for

office to tell their supporters that they respect the rule of law. they respect the peaceful transfer of power and to not feed the big lie -- sorry, not feed lies, election lies about -- for short term political gain. that's the unique responsibility on the right because donald trump spraead so much disinformation. >> nia, i want you to weigh in but this is the former first lady today. watch this. >> that's why for me this day isn't about me or barack, it's not even about these beautiful paintings. it about telling that fuller story, a story that includes every single american and every single corner of the country so that our kids and grandkids can see something more for themselves. and as much as some folks might want us to believe that that story has lost some of its shine, that division and discrimination and everything else might have dimmed it light, i still know deep in my heart

that what we share as my husband continues to say is so much bigger than what we don't. our democracy is so much stronger than our differences. >> nia, the former president's entire political strategy is rooted in division and his allies have picked up that technique. is democracy really stronger than that when elected leaders know they can win by dividing? >> you know, when michelle obama uttered that line, i kind of wrote it down because it kind of stopped me cold because sort of the reality is that this divisive politics existed before donald trump and will exist after donald trump is pervasive and worked to great effect and so for her to say listen, our democracy which is quite fragile, which is still in its infancy if you think about the multi racial democracy that we've seen over the last 50

years, she is saying that we actually can have hope in our democracy, it is stronger than our differences even though we have seen such decisive politics over the last ten years or so a work to great effect. if you think of the way donald trump ran, if you think of the way many of our republicans are running at this point, it is based on an us versus them race and competition and it is working. you'll see what happens in the midterm but this was a deeply hopeful speech about america being a great country if americans participate and believe and constantly perfect the experiment of democracy. >> were you guys surprised -- she went in harder than her husband. i mean, nia, you know, she has more license to do it member and it was, i don't know, nia said it. were you surprise snd. >> i thought she was going back

to the democratic convention in 2020. i thought she was the sharper speaker back in that particular campaign cycle. there is always -- >> he says the same thing, her husband. >> yeah. >> tell you the same thing. >> that's why a lot of people have always surmised that she might actually be one of the stronger democrat candidates for president sometime in the future. i know they say that's not a possibility. she clearly has an instinct for giving a very sharp political speech. and delivering a line. >> it's not typical of ex first ladies but she's got that latitude. the core point is that great presidents, american presidents, american political leaders always emphasized even in the middle of the civil war, jon meacham talking about abraham lincoln, more unites us than divides us. >> i hope that's right. >> it is. >> it doesn't feel that way sometimes after sitting here. nia you know it. seven years we've been here -- >> keep the faith. >> feels so divided we can't get back together. unity isn't possible.

i certainly hope it is but feels sometimes it just feels really grim and dark but i digress as my producer tells me to go to the break. thank you, everyone. appreciate it. information so closely guarded senior officials aren't in on the secret. that's the information the former president has been holding at mar-a-lago, what could the consequences be?

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more fallout tonight from "the washington post" reporting fbi agents found a document describing a foreign government's nuclear capabilities in the search of mar-a-lago so what could it mean

that such extremely classified documents sat at mar-a-lago for all that time? joining me now to discuss, cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst john miller. john, good to see you. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. li listen, we're talking about the level of classification only the president and a few top officials would have access to. should these have ever left the secure environment, a secure environment and ended up at mar-a-lago or at someone's beach home? >> so no, no, they shouldn't be removed from a government facility and if they're removed from a government facility, they need to be removed by people cleared to move them and stored in a way that comports with in this case, not just confidential, not just secret, not just top secret, not just sensitive come pcompartmented information but go to actual human sources overseas and

people that have a need to know and for all intensive purposes, as best as the investigators have laid out in their documents, it looked like these boxes were packed up in the white house office, moved on a moving truck by moving men who i am pretty confident aren't cleared for this information and put in a basement storage room that's guarded by a padlock which is not a secure compartmented information facility with lead line walls and secret codes to enter by authorized people. >> they were kept in a minimum at a minimum in the former president's office and basement door the fbi had to tell trump's people to put a padlocken. >> -- on. >> that's right. this comes after trump's lawyers and representatives and his representatives to the archives and the justice department said that they had turned over the documents and done a quoting now due diligence search around the

premises to make sure that was everything and then the fbi search, agents found in what they call the 45 office or the president's presidential office at ma rch mar-a-lago, 35 docume desk drawers and stored there. the due diligence is in question. don, i think, i think to find clarity here, there is two key things we have to look at. one, is there a clear violation of law and procedure? yes. title 18, 2017, three years in prison for illegally removing, mishandling, improperly storing documents and another for obstruction and not being truthful about it and another three-year count. so there is clear violations of law. where we get hung up is there have been people, you know, throughout this week as these nuclear secret documents say that's it. it time to arrest donald trump and charge people and move quick

qui quickly. it's a clear violation of law but by no means a slam dunk case. were you in the white house? yes, i was. did you clear your office? no, people did that. did you tell them to do it? no, i told people to tell them to do it. did you know the documents were moved there? i found them later. it's going to be a real challenge to establish intent. i think the people who are going to be more nervous than a donald trump right now are the people who made factual representations to the department of justice and the fbi that might -- >> let me ask you this, doesn't the buck stop with him? he's the one in charge of that information and should have been responsible for keeping that information safe and secure. >> from a -- i understand what you're saying the case is tough to prove. >> the buck definitely stops with him from a point of can you criminally prosecute for him. it gets mirky fast. >> what about the idea that when you look at all of this, right,

these are the times that the archives, the department of justice reached out to him four pages of -- and did not comply. >> when you measure that against security camera video that shows boxes being moved in and out of places when they're making' se ase assertions they had no knowledge of documents being there. it is who are you going to pin that on? >> one more chain of command question. i was watching the former presidential candidate, former first lady and former secretary of state hillary clinton on "the view" this morning. she talked about when she had to view classified documents, top secret documents. there was a guy, guard tasked with in the suitcase would come and go to the skiff or whatever and the person would have it with a lock. >> that's right. >> to his arm and they would say madam secretary, look at these documents immediately. she would look to the documents, lock them up and go back to a

secure. why didn't this happen with the former president? >> so in this white house and i've heard this from numerous people. >> first of all, is that the procedure? she correct with that? >> listen, i just worked for almost nine years next door to a skiff. when i needed to read a top secret document, i had to punch in there, sit down, look at the documents, put them back in a safe and go back to my office. if we needed to transport them, that was in a locked bag with a trained and authorized carrier. taking a top secret document home with me to read that night is just not done. so i think we start off from bad practice and that results in the violation -- >> you're saying something about that white house. >> so there was -- and i've heard this from people within the national security apparatus who said there was a real affair about the handling of classified

information. you know, we have a former president george bush who was once director of the cia that comes with a certain rev france f -- reference for lengths people have to go to obtain this information so you're not leaving it lying around or packing it in a box or storing it behind a padlock and the trump white house, it was kind of from the very early stages when he blurted out to high ranking russian foreign minister and others classified information that they had obtained from another foreign government and i believe he mentioned the government that gave it to us to things that he was briefed on that he later tweeted to the appalling reaction of intelligence officials who briefed him and said, you know, please be careful with this. this in that context is not so surprising. the real issue here is who had

access to these? who saw them that we know about? who saw them that shouldn't have that we may not know about? is there any threat in that chain and did they get everything back? all the rest of it is just going to be the shouting. that's the key right now is did they get it all? is it now safe somewhere and while it was under protected, was there a breach? >> john miller, thank you. good to see you, always. we'll be right back. id productin for a full 24 hours. unlike pepcid, which stops s working after 9. 24 hour protection. prilosec otc one pill, 24 hours, zero heartrtburn.

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far out pacing the republican opponents in fundraising with a feud of rick scott and mitch mcconnell. for more, i want to bring in christian anderson. hi, thanks for joining us. good evening to you. these problems facing republicans come during really surging optimism for democrats. you say that the dobbs decision on abortion was the big turning point. do you see democrats holding on to that? i think that we're headed into a midterm where republicans thought they'd have a big enthusiasm advantage and that gap is wiped out by surging enthusiasm on the democratic said. they're the party out of power. the economy in rough shape for your average american. the president's approval rating improved. republicans have a lot going for them but definitely the dobbs decision in my view of the looking at the polls was a

turning point where suddenly democrats got a lot more enthusiasm and the winds started shifting back their way. >> in political time. there is still a lot of time between now and november. >> very much so. >> yeah. one of the big senate races is in georgia and polls showing there that democratic senator raphael warnock is leading republican candidate herschel walker and by about four points outside the margin of error. do you think walker is going to win? he had a lot of controversies. why do you think he's going to beat warnock? do you think he's going to win? >> well, i think he's perhaps of a lot of different swing seats where republicans are hoping they can make a pickup is probably one of the best chances. first of all, i'm an sec football person so i never doubt the power of southern football. >> so am i. >> i think in that race, you do

have georgia gas a very purple state but the state in a year like this, republican voters especially sort of those suburban voters that shifted to democrats are more likely to come home. georgia will be a close race but i think republicans have other races on the table they might be a bit more nervous about. >> another big senate race is in wisconsin between democratic candidate mandela and ron johnson. the most recent poll shows barns leading 50% to johnson's 46%. that's also outside the margin of error. will johnson be able to hold on to his seat? >> i think republicans are not particularly worried about ron johnson. wisconsin is again one of those states where especially if you have an incumbent senator, that's typically much harder to unseat somebody that's been an

in incumbent a lot of times polls before the election especially right now where democrats are very fired up, they're showing this surge in momentum because dell c democrats are excited to take polls right now. i'm not a poll unsewer and tell you they're over the last couple of elections. republicans have tended to be undercounted in a lot of those. that's why you had votes like senator lindsey graham and senator susan collins who the polls ahead of the elections, the republican polls at least, said there on the polls this time. and they wound up ending winning handily. i think for those two races, wisconsin in georgia, republicans are, i think, slightly favored to win those races. >> republicans always come home. in races. more than the other party, the democratic party,. by the way kristen, go tigers, i'm not talking about auburn. >> fantastic.

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the democratic candidate for senate in pennsylvania, john fetterman, announcing today he will debate his republican opponent, doctor mehmet oz. fetterman is stuffing from a stroke he suffered in may, and is still dealing with side effects. in a statement saying, where absolutely's going to debate doctor oz, it was always our intent to do that. it has simply only ever been about addressing some of the lingering issues of my stroke, the auditory processing and we're going to be able to work that out. a statement says the debate will likely take place in mid to late october. the oz campaign has been

criticized for seeming to mock fetterman's health issues. but fetterman is also getting pressure from the editorial board of the pittsburgh post-gazette in an op-ed saying that he if he's not well enough to debate, that raises questions about his ability to serve in the u.s. senate. so stay tuned, we'll continue to follow. up next, he thinks the doj is getting closer to having the evidence to indict trump. we're gonna tell you what trump's own attorney general, bill barr, thinks about those mar-a-lago documents.

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the former attorney general, bill barr, weighing in on a potential indictment of donald trump. here's what he said on fox earlier. >> i think, as i've said all along, there are two questions. will the government be able to make out a technical case? will they have evidenc