Skip to main content

tv   Don Lemon Tonight  CNN  September 7, 2022 8:00pm-9:00pm PDT

8:00 pm
the former attorney general, bill barr, weighing in on a potential indictment of donald trump. here's what he said on fox earlier. >> i think, as i've said all along, there are two questions. will the government be able to make out a technical case? will they have evidence by
8:01 pm
which that they could indict somebody on, including him? that's the first question. and i think they're getting very close to that point, frankly. but i think at the end of the day, there's another question, it's do you indict a former president? what will that do to the country? what kind of precedent will that set? will the people really understand that this is not failing to return a library book? that this was serious? you have to worry about those things. and i hope that those kinds of factors will inclined the administration not to indict him. because i don't want to see him indicted. >> it comes as we're learning that the documents seized from mar-a-lago's resort including one on a former government's nuclear capabilities. that's according to the washington post. i want to bring in the former -- nick akerman, nationalistic -- bradley moss and cnn political analyst kirsten powers. good to see all three of you. nick, i'm gonna start with you. bill barr there. saying that he thinks the government is close to having enough evidence to indict trump. do you think he's right? >> absolutely.
8:02 pm
there is enough evidence just based on the fact that he has all this classified documents, and then when they try to get them from him, he basically concealed them. we don't really know the full extent of all this. but just the possession, and knowing the possession of these documents is a violation of the act. that's the problem, the espionage act covers a wide range of activity. starting with knowing possession, to right up to the point to providing the information to a foreign adversary. we don't really know where on the spectrum donald trump really fits on this. and that's gonna make a big difference in terms of informing the decision by the department of justice, whether they indict, if they indict, on what they indict, and how serious the indictment becomes. the more you get closer to one end of the spectrum, the more palatable it is to be able to bring an indictment against former president. if it's simply that the guy was keeping souvenirs that's one
8:03 pm
thing,. but we don't know, and it's a big open question -- >> even as a souvenir, it's wrong. >> absolutely. >> bradley, barr's been on a tear, slamming trump's handling of classified information, saying he doesn't want to see him indictment. no one denies the former president is an unprecedented case here. and then a lot of caution has to be taken. isn't it also critical to see that equal treatment under the law is preserved? >> yes, absolutely, don. and to be clear, i think this is kind of where bill barr was going before he got himself tripped up on the i don't want to see him indictment, in the end, everyone, including a former president, including the current president, has to be held accountable to the law. so to the extent that the justice department can bring a case here, to the extent that there is not only the unauthorized and willful retention of these classified documents, but that he was obstructing and concealing the governments documents from the government investigation, it
8:04 pm
warrants the final decision from the justice department of, can we bring an indictment? the political considerations, that's why in my view, they should be ultimately decision all the way up to merrick garland who is politically accountable, if this kind of choices made, this would be an unprecedented move to indict a former president. but if it warrants it, if those facts really are what we believe them to the. under the law, the indictment is warranted. >> kirsten, the former secretary of state, hillary clinton, was -- today. this is when joy bay her asked her whether she thought trump would be indicted, watch this. >> i don't know, joy, and i don't want to prejudge. i've been prejudged along wrongly enough, i'm not gonna prejudge someone else. i think the key is what the facts and the evidence are. so, i think that we have to wait and we have to, we have to have i think two minds about this. no one is above the law. and the rule of law in our
8:05 pm
democracy. [applause] has to be our standard. but we should not rush to judgment. we should take it seriously, we should be concerned about it, and we should follow the facts and the evidence. >> what does that response say to you? especially, she was talking about the guy who kept saying lock her up? >> look, i think she's being responsible. and she saying the responsible thing. you know, i think that most people look at this and say, pretty much, we've heard already tonight on this panel, which is, yes of course, it is a very politically sensitive thing to do to indict a former president. nobody questions that. but we can't really believe that there is no line. which is sort of the argument that bill barr was ultimately making when he says, i don't want to see him indicted. it just means that there is no
8:06 pm
line the president can cross and i would sort of loop back to what bill barr had said previously, which i think was more on point, which was also unprecedented is the ex-president donald trump did. so, he's done something that so far out of bounds what any ex president would ever do. so, i don't think we should be treating him the way other ex presidents were treated. because her other ex presidents didn't do this. this was unthinkable. this was yet another thing that nobody could even conceive of, that somebody would do. and if he's not held accountable for it, what kind of message does that send? what kind of message does that send to future presidents? what does that send even to this president, this former president, who may be a future president? >> nick, this washington post reporting that fbi agents recovered a document from mar-a-lago describing a former
8:07 pm
countries nuclear capabilities, to that strip away any incentives an explanation from team trump? >> certainly, there is no innocent explanation for that. i would be interested to know where they found that. was that in his office? or was it in a storage room? what were the other documents surrounding it? and somebody has got to do analysis, looking at what's in his office? does it really differ from what's in his storage room? is there some rhyme or reason as to why he put certain documents in his office? >> let me ask you, why does that matter? when this is what i'm trying to wrap my head around, and i think most americans, right? he had the documents, right? >> no question. >> you could say, i didn't pack them, somebody else pack them what have you. but if it's top secret, if it's nuclear information, if it's whatever it is, why does it matter where it was? it wasn't supposed to be there, it was supposed to be in a secure facility where no one could get their hands on it, not the movers, not the box packers, not the people
8:08 pm
visiting. not even him after he's president of the united states. what does it matter? >> it matters because you want to find out if there's some rhyme or reason as to why he took those documents, and why he can steal them, and why he kept them. was he keeping certain kinds of documents? was it just the nuclear documents relating to a certain country? that he was keeping in one spot? or was it something else? i mean, that's part of the analysis that the national intelligence office has to look at. and as something that only they can really opine on. and it's a real key element of any kind of criminal prosecution. >> yeah. bradley, this is how investigators are going to figure out why trump had this information, right? in his possession and who else may have had access to it. >> yes, this is certainly what they were at least doing up until monday when the judge down in florida issued the junction that has thrown a bit of a wrench into it.
8:09 pm
authorizing the appointment of a special master and then joining the fbi from using the documents. they can still investigate around it, they can try and figure out one, what we've all been trying to figure out is, where exactly were each particular documents, what involvement donald trump himself have in terms of the ones that were removed from the storage room, but it is personal office and his desk? that at least speaks to his particular willful retention of these documents. what involvement there was on donald trump or his other associates when it came to the misleading information they provided the fbi in june when they swore out the statement that said, we have nothing more did and it turned out they did. these were the steps of the fbi can still do right now to investigate around the details. they can't use the contents of the documents themselves yet, we have to wait and see what happens with that special master which is a whole convoluted mess unto itself. >> kirsten, i know i'm asking you to look in a crystal ball here.
8:10 pm
i wonder what the impact is going to be, what do all of these developments about trump's handling of classified information mean politically, are voters following along with this? >> i mean, i feel like we have this conversation a lot. and it tends to be that at this point, that the people -- everything is sort of baked-in, i think is the answer. i think most people who don't like donald trump or have problems with donald trump, even people who may like his politics but have problems with him as president, are going to look a scans of this and olivia yet another data point against him. will it turn his hard-core supporters against him? no. but i do think that this kind of thing has at least, among people who are commentators and thinkers, we are seen across the political spectrum people actually recognizing how problematic this is, which is
8:11 pm
why it's so important that bill barr saying what he's saying, because he is someone who has typically really stood by the president. so, i do think that it will reach a certain number of people. overall, he still has this core constituency that will make excuses for pretty much everything that he does. and even though there really is no excuse for this. the most low level employee in the government knows that what he has done is illegal. and if anybody else did it, with even one document, they would be in a lot of trouble. so, it's pretty clear, whatever his motives were, it's only, the only thing we can find out -- it's probably worse than it seems. but at a minimum, it's horrific. >> thank you all, i appreciate it. barack and michelle obama's official white house reporters unveiled today, we're gonna take a closer look at the paintings and how they represent the former first couple. we already know what the former president thinks. >> i want to thank sharon
8:12 pm
sprung for capturing everything i love about michelle. her grace, her intelligence, and the fact that she's fine. [laughs] [laughs] unlike pepcid, which h stops working after 9. 24 hour protection. prilosec otc one pill, 24 hours, zeroro heartburn.
8:13 pm
>> tech: at safelite, we take care of vehicles with the latest technology. we can replace your windshield ...and recalibrate your safety system. >> customer: and they recycled my old glass. >> tech: don't wait. schedule today. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ bubbles
8:14 pm
bubbles so many bubbles! as an expedia member you earn points on your travels, and that's on top of your airline miles. so you can go and see... or taste or do absolutely nothing with all those bubbles. without ever wondering if you're getting the most out of your trip. because you are. president biden signed the inflation reduction act into law this afternoon.
8:15 pm
ok, so what exactly does it mean for you? out of pocket costs for drugs will be capped. for seniors, insulin will be just $35. families will save $2,400 on health care premiums. energy costs, down an average of $1,800 a year for families. and it's paid for by making the biggest corporations pay what they owe. president biden's bill doesn't fix everything, but it will save your family money.
8:16 pm
a long held tradition finally returning to the white house after ten years. former president barack obama and former first lady michelle obama unveiling their official white house portraits today. it marks the couple's first joint return to the white house since they left in 2017. cnn's kaitlan collins has more now. >> a return to tradition at the
8:17 pm
white house today. >> barack and michelle, welcome home. greeted by over -- a minute of stain applause. former president obama and first lady michelle obama in the east room for the unveiling of their official white house portraits. >> nothing could have prepared be better to become president of the united states than to be at your side for eight years. >> president biden inviting mr. and mrs. obama to the stage, where they lifted blue curtains to reveal their portraits, first by the artist sharon sprung. >> i want to thank sharon sprung for capturing everything i love about michelle. her grace, her intelligence, and the fact that she's fine. >> and his by robert mccurdy. >> refused my request to make my ears smaller. [laughs] he also talked me out of wearing a tanned suit, by the way. >> the 44th president then
8:18 pm
growing serious. >> presidents so often get airbrushed. even take on a mythical status. especially after you're gone, and people forget all the stuff they didn't like about you. presidents and first ladies are human beings like everyone else. we have our gifts, we have our flaws. >> the last time a sitting president invited his predecessor for a portrait unveiling was a decade ago. >> when you're wondering these halls as you wrestle with tough decisions. you'll now bail to gaze at this portrait and ask, what would yours do? >> the long standing tradition was put on hold when donald trump occupied the oval office. and declined to host obama, who had little interest in attending a ceremony organized by his successor. >> it means so much to come back to friends. >> with no direct mention of trump today, mrs. obama emphasized an unmistakable message, saying these traditions matter. >> you see, the people that
8:19 pm
make their voices heard with her vote, we hold an inauguration to ensure a peaceful transition of power. and once our time is up, we move on. >> the former first lady also noting her own historic role. >> a girl like me, she was never supposed to be up there next to jacqueline kennedy and dolly madison. that is what this country is about. it's not about blood or pedigree or wealth. >> kaitlan collins, cnn, the white house. >> caitlin, thank you so much. for more now, i want to bring in washington post senior critic at large, robin -- >> high rob, and perfect person to the sickest this. let's talk about the style on display, starting with the paintings, artist robert mccurdy president obama, sharon sprung depicted michelle obama. what do you think of these paintings and how they represent the former first couple? remembering what they are going to hang in the company of presidents and first ladies who
8:20 pm
served before them? >> yeah, you know, i think that each of them does something quite specific separately. and then together. you know, they do something different. i think with the portrait of the former president, the painting, as he mentioned, is really quite lifelike. it doesn't brush away any of the flaws. it's really quite realistic. i think when you look at a lot of the paintings that are there, of former presidents, they do have this very heroic grand quality to them. they don't really put them into context. you don't see their flaws. you see this mythic idea of the presidency. and with the former first lady, i was really struck by the way that the portrait really focuses on her softness. it really has a gentle graceful tone to it.
8:21 pm
and that might not seem like it's particularly notable. but while she was in the white house, that was really something that a lot of critics assert attempted to deny her. she was the first black woman in that role, and in many ways, she was, she had to sort of fight for her womanhood, for her femininity. and i think this portrait really puts that up front. and together, i think they put the first couple, the former first couple, into the context of history. you know, if they're different, they're quite contemporary portraits. but they still fit in with that continuity, with that sense of of what all the other portraits project. >> you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that people talked about her dress today. i just want to talk about the artist. listen, these are quite
8:22 pm
different when you look when you look at -- amy cheryl what they did before. these are quite different, they hang because they've hang in different spaces, correct? they represent different things? >> absolutely. i think that the portraits that were commissioned by the national portrait gallery, really focus on the personalities of the individuals. they are really, i think, meant to be sort of stand-alone artistic representations of these characters, these important figures, these vips. well these that we saw today unveiled, were commissioned through the white house historical association. and they are not so much focused on the individual as much as they are on the office of the presidency and the role of the first lady. they're really meant to, i
8:23 pm
think in many ways, reflect the ways in which we as a country perceive the presidency. the way that we think of the first lady. so, i think they were really meant to be of a peace with history. whereas the ones for the national portrait gallery were really meant to almost rise above history. >> i can't wait to see what happens to these artists and their work. they're already great artists, but to see if it skyrockets what happened with -- thank you. always a pleasure. >> thank you so much, always a pleasure to. >> so, there groundbreaking drugs that prevent hiv and a judge's ruling employers don't have to pay for them because it violates their religious rights. stay with us. stay with us. is the planning effect. this is how it f feels to hae a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full fifinancial pictur. this is what it's like to have a comprehensive wealth plan
8:24 pm
with tax-smart investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn. and set aside more for things like healthcare, or whatever comes down the road. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity.
8:25 pm
listen, i'm done settling. because this is my secret. i put it on once, no more touch ups! secret had ph balancing minerals; and it helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. so pull it in close. secret works. [sfx: stomach gurgling] it's nothing... sounds like something. ♪ when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, ♪ ♪ upset stomach, diarrhea. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes for fast relief... when you need it most.
8:26 pm
8:27 pm
8:28 pm
a federal judge in texas declaring unconstitutional part of the -- that requires insurers and employers to offer plans uncover hiv -- for free. claiming it violates the religious freedom of a christian owned company. that company, braidwood management, employees 70 people and argue that the mandate allows behavior it had religious objections to. right now, it's unclear if this ruling applies to one texas company or if it impacts americans nationwide. joining me now to discuss -- and democratic strategist, keith boykin. he's also the author of the upcoming book, race against time. the politics of a darkening
8:29 pm
america. good evening to both of you. good to see you. areva, the company argue that the mandate in question, quote, forces religious employers to provide coverage for drugs that facilitate -- homosexual behavior, prostitution, sexual promiscuity and intravenous drug use. is that really compelling argument? >> it's not compelling to any other judge. -- it was absolutely compelling and his ruling was absolutely predictable. this is a judge who has a history of ruling that certain parts -- ruling that the entire -- lives unconstitutional. let's be clear, this is not by chance. the lawyer in this case that filed the case on behalf of the plaintiff's the same lawyer that constructed the six-week abortion ban in texas. this is a former solicitor general of texas and he is on a mission, like many conservatives, to undo the affordable care act. the judges know oxidant, this lawyers oxidant and these arguments are very predictable.
8:30 pm
>> keith, these hiv prevention pills help prevent the spread of a virus that is killed millions of people. if this becomes a broader decision, nationwide, this could affect a whole lot of people. >> it could impact a lot of people, don. this is important, lifesaving drug. it's just sad to hear that a federal judge deciding that a private -- religious based discrimination is grounds for depriving people of a lifesaving medication. i mean, what kind of religious values to people believe in to allow them to deprive somebody -- that would help save their life. plus, we've a separation of church and stay in this country which would make this a ridiculous, even comparison to bring this into the conversation. it just underscores the importance why federal judges are so critical to making the work of our country -- to doing the work of our country and why we need to put
8:31 pm
that is a priority. >> areva, we're just learning what the post roe era -- but tied to the right to privacy could be at risk, including same-sex marriage. it is case part of that trend, and do you expect more? >> absolutely, don. justice clarence thomas made it very clear in his opinion -- he in fact invited conservative attorney generals, conservative lawyers to file cases that could make their way to the supreme court so that he could -- could look at -- same-sex marriage, interracial marriages, so that those decisions that we have held -- for decades in this country so that the rates could be overturned. this is part of all larger conservative agenda, don. this is not the end, this is just the beginning.
8:32 pm
the door has been slammed wide open, and conservatives are walking into it. don, we should not, this judge asked the parties to brief him on the contraceptive mandate portion of us -- they're not just stopping at the hiv medication, there's also issue with contraceptives. we should expect more of these kinds of cases to be filed by conservative lawyers and conservative judges like this one. >> and other preventive care to, areva. that's another dangerous president that he's sending with this case. >> thank you both, i appreciate it. jackson mississippi still recovering after going without clean running water for days. residents say it's a crisis that goes back more than a decade. but >> can you drink out of the water fountain in school? >> no, i will die! e and gives you a real offer in seconds we'll come to you
8:33 pm
pay you on the spot then pick up your car that's it at carvana ♪ icy hot pro. ♪ ice works fast... to freezyour pain and your doubt. ice work♪ fast... heat makes it last. so you'll never sit this one out. icy hopro with 2 max-strength pain relievers.
8:34 pm
some days, it felt like asthma was holding me back. but asthma has taken enough. so i go triple... with trelegy. with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler,... it's the only once-daily treatment for adults that takes triple action against asthma symptoms. trelegy helps make breathing easier,... improves lung function,... and lasts for 24 hours. go triple...
8:35 pm
go trelegy. because asthma has taken enough. trelegy won't replace a rescue inhaler... for sudden breathing problems. trelegy contains a medicine that increases risk of hospitalizations and death from asthma problems when used alone. when this medicine is used with an inhaled corticosteroid,... like in trelegy,... there is not a significant increased risk of these events. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase risk of thrush and infections. get emergency care for serious allergic reactions. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. don't let asthma take another breath. go triple. go trelegy. ask your doctor about trelegy today.
8:36 pm
8:37 pm
the epa administrative bowing though none of initiation will do everything i can to help people in jackson, to be. after the city was left without reliable water service for days. water pressure has been -- residents are still under a water balloon wiseman. -- and it's america's poor and communities of color were most
8:38 pm
impacted. here's cnn sarah -- >> e is four eggs. >> charles wilson the third is a single dad who wants nothing more than to protect his children. he helps with homework and takes part in playtime. >> i love him to death. >> he never thought the biggest danger to his little boy would be the tap water flowing through the pipes of his hometown, jackson, mississippi. >> can you drink out of the water fountain in school? >> no, i will die! >> a six-year-old worrying about death over the government's failure to ensure safe drinking water. >> i mean, do you have a heart? what god do you serve? it's an insult to the state of mississippi. and this is what we go through. >> you don't have clean drinking water? >> no. >> wilson uses bottled water for drinking and boils water every day multiple, times a day, for everything else. >> this time, it was a flood
8:39 pm
that took out the water treatment plant, where pumps had already been failing, leading 150,000 plus residents without safe drinking water. do you remember when the water seemed to go bad here, and jackson? >> ten, 12 years. >> more than a decades? >> it really got worse. >> families in jackson say the water crisis in the capital city of mississippi started long before long -- even the new head of the environmental protection agency knows that. >> just this year alone, we're gonna make over ten billion dollars available for investments in clean water. >> it sounds like an emergency, like the national guard should be here. everyone should be trying to make sure that the kids of this community have drinking water. where is everybody? >> you know, we're here now. i think you've seen a federal state and local presence here. the last time i visited jackson, the community members said we
8:40 pm
don't want any more finger pointed, we just want the government to. >> people are waiting for the tap water to be clean and safe. how long do they have to wait to have clean drinking water? >> the honest answer is -- we're not gonna get out overnight. we're working around the clock, as quickly as possible, to provide some stability to the system. that, again, is why this administration fought so hard for the bipartisan -- and the 50 billion dollars, historic investment, it will go a long way in rebuilding the infrastructure and rebuilding the trust in this country. >> the epa administrator knows that trust is going to be hard to come by, because even when jackson said the water was safe over the years, it wasn't. >> my son has 80 80, he is a developmental disorder. he's not caught up with his class. >> jackson had a number of violations from departments of protection agency over decades. >> ten months ago, attorney -- sued on behalf of hundreds of residents who are suffering the
8:41 pm
effects of lead in their tap water. >> your heart goes out to them because we've experienced that. >> no one understands the suffering of people in jackson better than these folks, residents of flint, michigan. in 2014, their city -- to save money but failed to treat or tested properly. the result, deadly bacterial contamination and lead poisoning of its residents. >> the problem for kids, especially, they are developing and they are going, so you don't know the effects that the lead poison that they experience today is going to have on them in five years, ten years, 20 years. >> the bell family says high lead levels in their seven year old grandson resulted in developmental issues. >> we're not the only family that still suffers. >> adults aren't immune either. their next door neighbor testified before congress about flynn's negligence. >> we start experiencing hair
8:42 pm
loss, rashes and blood pressure issues. we'll be told everything spawn -- >> eight years, on flint is using another water source and replaced many pipes, but she and her neighbors still cook with and drink bottled water, using upwards of ten cases a week. >> do you drink out of your tap water? >> no. i'll never drink the water there. >> flint, like jackson, it's predominantly black with a low tax base, which experts say, plays a significant role in their water woes. what does justice look like to you? >> we know they're not going to tell the truth. we know that they're not going to -- the only thing i could think of is a legal action. the >> children of flint want to 626 million dollar settlement over their poisoned water, but to the people of jackson are still waiting just for a clean drinking water. never mind justice. what kind of justice can they get? >> there's no justice for the
8:43 pm
people of flint, or the people of mississippi, when it comes to fixing what is happening to their children's brains. i'm so happy that the spotlight is on what's going on in jackson. i'm not the only parent who has a child that is suffered because of the water. >> and there she is, a person who got the story is -- joins us now. sarah, good evening to you. listen, i'm sure a lot of people are watching this wondering about their own water. my question for you is, what do you know about just how many people across this country are living with unsafe? water >> don, that is the thing that really set a lot of people off. there is a professor -- she looked at safety of the water across the united states and found that about 78% of the population is living with unsafe drinking water. that's about 20 million
8:44 pm
americans. we thought that number was outrageous so we asked the epa administrator about the number today. he said, nope, that sounds about right and we need to fix it, as fast as we can. don? >> sara sidner in jackson, mississippi. sarah, thank you so much. i appreciate it. a 20-year-old black man fatally shot by police. he was unarmed, in bed. donovan lewis's mother is here speaking about -- we're gonna talk about that after this.
8:45 pm
8:46 pm
we were told, super young, that you have to be tough, you have to be macho in a male perspective.
8:47 pm
you feel like, you know, you're not able to open up and, you know, be vulnerable with your feelings, you know what i mean. you have this idea of this machismo, right? like that you have to always be the toughest, the strongest. for me as a man, it's about opening up. not feeling too macho to tell someone how you're feeling when you're feeling down. opening up your heart and sharing with other people the way that you're feeling. i have a twin sister who, when i'm sad, i call her and talk to her and we normally have the same feelings. i face time, my grandchildren. that always seems to kind of give me a boost, even when you're having your darkest moments. kicking the stigma means talking about it. it's something that a lot of people go through. it's normal. nothing's wrong with you. and in fact, come join us because we all feel this way. it's okay to feel not okay. kicking the stigma.
8:48 pm
tonight, the mother of donovan lewis is speaking out for the first time since her son was shot and killed in his bed by an officer from the columbus police department.
8:49 pm
i have to warn you, this video is disturbing. it happened when officers were preparing to serve a felony warrant for domestic violence. and assault, an improper handling of a firearm. body camera video appears to show lewis with something in his hands. it wasn't a weapon, it was apparently a vape pen. joining me now is to rebecca duran and rex elliott their family attorney. thank you both so much for joining us, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> it's hard to hear, sorry. >> rebecca, listen, it's hard to hear and i know it's hard to see, but i know that you have seen this video before. i'm so sorry for your loss. how is your family doing? >> we're struggling. there's no other way to put it, we are struggling. >> yeah. >> i see you're wearing a shirt that was made by a family friend, correct? >> yeah. donovan was killed during a 30
8:50 pm
police involved shooting in columbus in less than a week, but the shooting was the only fatal one. why do you think this keeps happening? >> because they're not making real changes. they're talking a lot, but they're not actually doing anything. >> what do you want to see done? >> actual change. actual, independent investigations that don't involve other officers. no matter what organization there with, there are still officers at the fundamental level. i want the officer that shot him to be charged, indicted and in jail ultimately. i don't want him in any capacity any police capacity ever again in his life. i think that there needs to be major changes in how many
8:51 pm
aspects of that night took place. late night warrants, a lot of things, i'm so sorry, i'm working on very little sleep still. >> not at all. listen, i'm always surprised by the strength of family members when they're able to come on a program like this when something like what happened to your son happens. and i just wonder if it's, you know, trying to get justice or attention, if that's what keeps you going, because i imagine you just going on adrenaline? >> it's pure adrenaline, but it's for donovan. i don't care about attention, i'm not good with attention. it is absolutely, 100% for him. justice for my son. he deserves that. at the very least. >> rex, that's why you're here, as an attorney to try and get justice for the family. and speaking of, there is a motion that was passed directly
8:52 pm
-- a columbus inspector general to investigate these three shootings. what you hope comes out of? this >> were also conducting our own independent investigation. don, the reality is that investigation is very important here. but we do have body cam video, and the body cam video shows us pretty clearly what happened here. as rebecca said a few minutes ago, there were so many things wrong with what happened the night of august 30th, starting with a middle of the night arrest warrant. there was no reason for this to be served in the middle of the night. there was no danger, no emergency. served in the middle of the night, it created a chaotic atmosphere with a canine dog, they didn't need to have a canine dog there. they had multiple police officers, as soon as the door was open, he fired his gun within a split second, he didn't even have opportunity to observe anything in that room. and all donovan was doing was trying to get out of bed in
8:53 pm
accordance with the police commands. it went on from there. they cuffed him, they accused him him of resisting arrest when he couldn't even move, they dragged him out of the bed onto the floor, took him down the stairs, dropped him on the floor. i mean, this whole scenario that night is just absolutely sickening. and what justice looks like for us, is to make sure that we find the flaw on the system, so that no family like this good family has to go through something like this again. >> you will get answered other question for me rebeca? >> oh, i'll do whatever we have to do. >> do you think justice is achievable? >> i believe it achievable. it's going to take a lot of work to make it happen. there's still people fighting for justice long before donovan, and have not received it. so, we've got to get something.
8:54 pm
i mean, i don't know what that something is, but something major has to change. >> attorneys for the officer, rickie anderson, who police say shot donovan, they released a statement sympathizing with your family and give this explanation. this is what they said. when we analyze police involved shootings, we must look at the totality of the circumstances, we are expressly forbidden from using 2020 hindsight, unlike all of us, officers are not afforded the luxury of armchair reflection when they're encountering dangerous situations. because of this, the law allows a reasonable officer to be mistaken just as the law allows us as non police officers to be mistaken. what's your response to them? of course, your son was holding a vape pen and not a weapon, but was shot anyway. >> correction, he wasn't holding of a pen. and if you i'm sorry. i don't mean to argue with you or anything. >> no not at all, go on. please. >> there is video, we slowed it
8:55 pm
down, there's nothing in his hands. he was literally pushing himself up to sit up. the vape pen wasn't seen until they were flipping his body around in the bed, instead of providing aid. so yes, there was a vape pen in the room, it was not in his hand in a moment. >> yes, and don, the reality is that the lawyers statement about what the legal standard is is correct. but we are not judging this in hindsight. we are judging this based on what a clear video shows. there was another police officer with a clear view into that room, who did not fire his weapon. it's crystal clear, this was a reckless shoot. so no one is judging the officer, officer anderson's conduct based on hindsight. >> might i add, they are trained for that. we are not. it's obvious that he couldn't see. he couldn't even have possibly
8:56 pm
identify who he shot. >> well, we appreciate you joining us and we want you to keep us informed as to what happened. again, just you being able to come on is admirable, i don't know how you do it. rex, thank you for joining us and rebecca as well. be well. >> thank you. >> and thank you for watching, everyone, our coverage continues. continues. ou were to find it you would taste, pure agave nectar and lilime lone river ranch water
8:57 pm
8:58 pm
i got tai last december. i've spent almost every minute with her since. when i first brought her home, she was eating little brown pieces in a bag and it was just what kind of came recommended. i just always thought, “dog food is dog food” i didn't really piece together that dogs eat food. as soon as we brought the farmer's dog in, her skin was better, she was more active, high-quality poops. if i can invest in her health and be proactive, i think it's worth it.
8:59 pm
see the benefits of fresh food at betterforthem.com when people come, they say they've tried lots of diets, nothing's worked or they've lost the same 10, 20, 50 pounds over and over again. they need a real solution. i've always fought with 5-10 pounds all the time. eating all these different things and nothing's ever working. i've done the diets, all the diets. before golo, i was barely eating but the weight wasn't going anywhere. the secret to losing weight and keeping it off is managing insulin and glucose. golo takes a systematic approach to eating that focuses on optimizing insulin levels. we tackle the cause of weight gain, not just the symptom. when you have good metabolic health, weight loss is easy. i always thought it would be so difficult
9:00 pm
to lose weight, but with golo, it wasn't. the weight just fell off. i have people come up to me all the time and ask me, "does it really work?" and all i have to say is, "here i am. it works." my advice for everyone is to go with golo. it will release your fat and it will release you. good evening tonight. the evolving reactions -- published last night around this time, some 24 hours ago. the post reported that fbi agents recovered a document from mar-a-lago, d

108 Views

info Stream Only

Uploaded by TV Archive on