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not born in this country. that was far from normal. but what we saw today said a whole lot about the office of the presidency, the people we elect, to hold it and the peaceful transfer of power from one president to the next. i have always described the presidency as a relay race. you take the baton from someone and you run your leg as harden as well as you can and then you handed off to someone else. knowing that your work will be incomplete. the portraits hanging in the white house chronicle the runners in that race. each of us tasked with trying to bring the country we love closer to its highest aspirations. >> just imagine. someone else speaking in that manner that. and let's be honest. can't. that's what a normal presidency

is supposed to be about. and today we saw former president not afraid to make fun of himself, even with the unveiling of his official white house portrait. >> what i love about robert's work is that he paints people exactly the way they are. for better or worse. he captures every wrinkle on your face, every crease in your shirt. you will note that he refused to hide any of my gray hairs. and refused my request to make my ears smaller. [laughs] he also talked me out of wearing a ten suit, by the way. >> self deprecating humor there. a ten suit -- remember the tan suit -- the biggest scandal ever. >> i think it was shocking.

what does it suggest to you, john? is this an effort by the political gurus to make him look warmer. >> whoever talked him into going into a tent suit? >> why did you take issue with this? >> because you know the imagery from the white house here is a president coming to the white house, a serious moment, where he should be addressed in the country and such a serious matter and he looks like he is on his way to a party of the hamptons. >> ronald reagan roar tanned suit by the way. people yelled about this barack obama wearing a tan suit for weeks. tan suit gate. do i need to add that no classified documents were harmed or put address by wearing -- the wearing of a summer suit. i know, right? but i digress. nobody mentioned the name of the 45th presidents today but michelle obama seemed to have a pointed message when she said our countries traditions, like the unveiling of their portraits, matter. >> traditions like this matter.

not just for those of us who holds these positions but for everyone participating in and watching our democracy. you see the people, they make their voices heard with their vote. we hold an inauguration to ensure a peaceful transition of power. and once our time is up, we move on. >> the former first lady going on to talk about what america means despite our divisions. >> what we are looking at today, a portrait of a biracial kid with an unusual name and the daughter of a water pump operator and a stay at home mom, what we are seeing is a reminder that there is a place for everyone in this country. as much as some folks might want us to believe that that story has lost some of its shine, the division and discrimination and everything

might have dimmed it's light, i still know deep in my heart that, what we share, as my husband continues to say is so much bigger than what we don't. our democracy is so much stronger than our differences. >> i hope you are listening to those words with a critical ear. not to political or ideological one. they are speaking about all americans. not just democrats not just republicans all americans. that is who they are talking about. this is not about politics, this isn't about party, about bias, or whatever. they are speaking the truth. a day like this is a good time to remind ourselves of what we used to expect from our presidents. listen, george bush, laura bush, went back to the white house when barack obama was enough in the same thing happened.

one time it didn't in recent history. and what's up with that? so, this is how important -- this speaks to the importance of who is in that office and what the office stands for. what kind of president you want -- even when you didn't vote for them. even when you didn't agree with them, even when you thought they were wrong. and some level we expect them to take their oath and the office seriously. the oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution. that is what a normal presidency is. the question is, what we still see that in the future? who better to help answer and talk about then all of this then presidential historian john meacham, the author of,

and there was light abraham lincoln and the american struggle. jon meacham -- good evening to you, sir. this felt like a lot bigger than just a portrait to unveiling to me. and i think to most americans -- michelle obama dressing the fourth of a peaceful transfer of power. she said, what their time is, up we move on. it is hard not to think about that in the context of the former president, 45, his attack on our democracy -- >> it's impossible not to think of it. ms. obama talked about the term -- she talked about tradition and the root of the word traditions to hand on. and one of the strengths of the american republic and it has changed in scope over the years. but it has been. the nature of people who rise to the pinnacle of power the people who call the presidency, who live in the white house. they do try, at their best, to model the best of republican,

lower case letter are, -- and that's the kinds of things that president obama and mrs. we're talking about -- you try to fill your oath and you pass it on. and that has been broken in recent years. this is a 40 year, i think, about a 45-year tradition that we saw today. i think i am right that president carter was the first person to ask his predecessor, president ford, to come back in the tumultuous 1970s. very difficult, 1976 was a close race. reagan and bush didn't, did it. they were the same party obviously. and had served together. but the clintons and the senior bushes did it. as you mentioned, the obama, george w. bush moment where george w. sand, now i am so glad, because barack can now look at my portrait and say,

what would george do? you can argue, to insider-y or club the. but there is a kind of ethos that, ultimately, helps the country. if the people in the pinnacle of power have a self deprecating character personally. and the kind of genuine humility, which is to submit to the rule of law which is what their oath, if you believe that oaths matter at all. it is why we swear to god. their oaths are to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states and to basically execute the office of the president of the united states and a key part of that an execution of duty it is to obey the rule of law and, accept reality, but the common good again above your own personal gain as much as you can. he saw today, to people who do that, obama and biden. >> and a respect for the

office. and then appreciation. and also respecting the tradition that go along with holding the office. these last three presidents, biden, trump, and obama, are extrinsic inextricably linked. the pendulum, swinging back and forth. is this in part how history will record them? >> it was a remarkable era. look at the last 20 years. a very, very different background of the people who have risen to power. an era, may i add, that began with the tennessean, al gore, who accepted a decision with which he strongly disagrees, at the supreme court, and, peacefully, and graciously, having won the popular vote, having won the disputed count in florida, accepted the transfer of power, and did this with grace, with an eye on the

national good. that's how this era began. george w. bush, son of a president, grandson of a senator, he passes the baton to barack obama, who i think, i'm right -- spent one vacation with his father in his whole life. so, george w. bush, a man with a dominant father, coming from the highest reaches of the american elite. barack obama, as mrs. obama said, a mixed race kid with a funny name. he becomes president of the united states. then, to obama, to a new york real estate developer, who has become this populist, divisive, and indeed unconstitutional figure. then an irish catholic kid from delaware and pennsylvania. so you have this panoply of the american experience. not everybody. it's doesn't reflect all

experiences, obviously. they are all men. only one is a person of color. but when the history of this air is written you can just do an immense amount of american history, starting from that al gore concession to george w. bush. president obama, to president trump and president biden. >> i want to hear more four from the former president and the former first lady. here it is. >> these portraits have a special significance. because as joe mentioned, they will hang in the white house along portraits of other presidents and first ladies dating back to georgia and martha. >> for me they stay isn't just about what has happened. it's also about what could happen. because a girl like me, she was never supposed to to be up there, next to jacqueline kennedy, and dolley madison. she was never supposed to live in this house and, she definitely wasn't supposed to serve as first lady. >> the idea that the first

black president and the first black lady first lady. -- that it is. >> absolutely. it is an occasion for me to bore you, once again, and i think it was vital. i think it's both the test of citizenship and leadership -- one of the ways we can think about this and all of our lives is what i sometimes think of as the portrait test. so, if we can all imagine for a minute that someday there will be a portrait of us somewhere. and someone will be looking at it and thinking about us, politicians, by the way, they love this because they can't imagine a world we are we are not staring at their portrait. so, it has a certain utility there. what will the past say? what will the future say? what will people who look at these portraits think of them? and the obamas conducted themselves with immense grace. and the scale and service.

and so these portraits are not just about capturing a moment. they are about inspiration. and sometimes warning. you look at richard nixon's portrait and you think, i would rather go to china then break into the dnc. that is a good set of lessons. but shouldn't we all of be conducting ourselves in this incredibly difficult hour with an eye on and an awareness of that our moral undertakings at the moment will be judged by posterity? and we shouldn't we conduct ourselves in a way that, when people look, whether it is a portrait in the white house or a snapshot on your grandkids foam, don't we want the people who encounter those portraits to think, they did the best they could? >> we both just mentioned, the last ceremony like this, in 2012 --

that's when then president barack obama held and unveiling for george bush and laura bush. i just want to play this moment from george w. bush. watch. >> i'm also pleased, mister president, that when you are wandering these halls, as you wrestle with tough decisions, we will now be able to gauge gaze at this fortress and ask, what would yours do? >> that was a moment that you mentioned -- not only in historian, you occasionally advise president biden. these events are not meant to be partisan. is there -- the idea that the united states presidencies bigger than any one person, that it could be short lived? >> of course it's short-lived. that's why we all go to church every week. these things -- we are involved in human enterprise. we do the right thing for five minutes and then we do the wrong thing for ten. the great line in tom sawyer,

we earn evangelist is coming to town and mark twain writes, the evangelist was so good that even hawk finn we saved until tuesday. this is who we are. but you get up every morning and you do it. and i think the country missed this, a huge part of the country -- i know i did. i missed this from 2017, from 2021. and i think that the more we can remind ourselves that we have overcome a virulent division in the past, we have come through war, we have come through depression, we have come through strife. and that is not a guarantee. that we are going to do it again. but the portraits in that house on pennsylvania avenue are purchase of flawed people, who send a lot more often than they did saintly things. but they kept this experiment going. and i think that is what we all have to be focused on, hour to hour. >> john, it's always a

pleasure. thank you sir, appreciate. it >> thank you. >> -- the former president barack obama getting back on the campaign trail as well. the white house celebrates his legacy. >> portraits are going to hang on the walls in the sacred place, the people's house, forever. a reminder of all, here, and now, for those who come to power, that hope and change matters.

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former president, barack obama, and first lady, michelle obama, is serving as a return to norms in washington, and a reminder that democracy itself is at risk. plus, cnn learning tonight, former president barack obama is set to hit the campaign trail this fall. joining me now to discuss, cnn senior political analyst john avlon and cnn political commentator scott jennings. along with cnn senior political analyst, nia-malika henderson. good evening, one and, also glad to have you all. john, i'm going to -- i'm going to go from john meacham to john avlon -- it's an easy transition. -- going to publicly appear with candidates and congressional and gubernatorial races in we also campaign with candidates for some secretary of state races in key battleground states. it's not just saying that democracy at risk here. he's gonna put some skin in the game. >> yeah, and it's significant that he is campaigning for the secretary of state. that is not the kind of thing that the office typically, an ex president, would focus on.

what i think it highlights just how important those all forces are, especially when you have people running who are election deniers, really, with the promise of trying to overturn the av election. but i think obama uniquely energizes the democratic base and unifies it. in some ways, even beyond president biden. and so i think he will inject some energy. >> what did you think when you heard the former first lady, nina, remind people of the importance of the peaceful transfer of power? we also what happened on january 6th. where her remarks a rebuke or a warning of some sort? >> yeah, i think all of the above. a rebuke, a warning, and a reality check of this moment that we are in, where you do have an ex president who has spread a big lie that millions of americans believe, and now people who could be poised to run the voting in different states, saying that they could

overturn the will of the people. it was a deeply, i thought, patriotic speech, it was a deeply hopeful speech. at the time when lots of americans are disappearing about the state of our democracy, precisely because of what is going on all across the country, or with some of the folks who are running for office. only michelle obama could have gone there in many ways and of course we know that she was talking about donald trump and you talk about january 6th, which america didn't have a peaceful transfer of power that was obstructed by those insurrectionists on january 6th -- so i thought it was a sobering line, a sort of political line in a line that needed to be said an ally that only she could say. this is sort of the first lady being able to go into and say things that the former president, obama, didn't necessarily want to do, he might have got a little bit more heat than light. >> it was only, scott, last weekend, that the current president, joe biden called out

trump and his allies were trying to undermine democracy. but people do not accept president biden's legitimate president that is simply because they've been repeatedly told by trump's allies. so what needs to be done at this point so that everyone trusts and believes the outcome of the results of an election? >> that is a great and large question. i think every political leader, whether you are president, former president, officeholder, party person, if if you have some level of responsibility in american politics you've got to be honest with the american people who are under un following you, when the elections are over, about one who lost. i don't think that means candidates and campaigns can't avail themselves of legal mechanisms of four races closer they want to look into something. but at some juncture, the way this works is, somebody winds and somebody loses, we accept it and that we move on and we fight it out again, two years later. that's a beauty of american democracy, is, we get to do it all again in two years and then

we do it all again two years after that. and it is not the end it with the world if you lose an election and it is not the end all be all if you win one. and i think, to me, that is the ultimate responsibility of everyone in the system. in both parties -- >> go ahead, what did you want to say? >> i would just add to that that, patriotism in the democratic republic is about respecting the peaceful transfer of power. that is the larger democratic norms we defend. and what's got this releasing,, also is particularly incumbent upon republicans right now. we spots of luckin's in positions of power, running for office, to tell their supporters that they respect the rule of, law they respect the peaceful transfer of power and that cannot feed the big lie -- story, to not feed lies, election lies, about four short term political gain. that is being uniquely responsibility on the right now because don trump is spread so much disinformation. >> nia-malika henderson,, i want you to weigh in but i want you to listen to the former first lady. listen to this. >> that is why, for me, this

day isn't about me or barack. it's not even about these beautiful paintings. it's about telling the fuller story. a story that includes every single american it in every single corner of the country, so that our kids and grandkids can see something more for themselves. and as much as some folks might want us to believe that that story has lost some of its shine, that division and discrimination and everything else might have them it's light, i still know, deep in my heart, that what we hear as my husband continues to say, he's so much bigger than what we don't. our democracy is so much stronger than our differences. >> nia, the former presidents anti-strategy is rooted in division. and allies have picked up that technique. is democracy really stronger than that when elected leaders

know that they can win by dividing? >> when michelle obama uttered that line, i kind of wrote it down. because it kind of stopped me cold. because part of the reality is that this divisive politics that, listen, has existed long before don't drive and it will exist long after don't trump. it is so pervasive now. and it has worked to great effect. and so for her to say, listen, our democracy, which is quite fragile -- which is still in its infancy, if you think about the multi racial democracy that we have seen over the last 50 years -- she is saying that we actually can have hope in our democracy, that it is stronger than our differences, even though we have seen such divisive politics over the last ten years or so. and have worked to great effect. if you think of the way that donald trump ran, if you think of the way that many of our republicans are running at this point, it is based on a kind of us versus them, a race and competition and it has worked.

we will see what happens, obviously, in the midterm. but this was a deeply hopeful speech. it was about america being a great country. if americans participate and believe in and constantly perfect the experiment of democracy. >> are you guys surprised that she -- i mean, it seemed that she went in harder than her husband. nia said she has more license to do it, maybe, then his -- i mean, nia, said it -- do you -- >> i think he was -- looking back on the democratic mansion in 2020, i thought she was actually the sharper speech or speaker in that particular campaign cycle. >> he says the same thing, her husband. he will tell you the same thing. [laughs] >> that's why a lot of people have surmised that she might actually bono one of the stronger democratic candidate for president sometime. i know they say that's not a possibility. but she clearly has an instinct for giving a very sharp political speech and delivering

a line. >> it is not typical of first ladies or x first ladies but she has got that latitude. i think the core point is that presidents, american political leaders, of a starkly always emphasize -- even the middle of the civil war -- you had jean meacham earlier on talk about a brown like that there is more that unites us then divides us as american and that is part of the sacred trust -- >> i hope that's right. it does not feel that way sometimes after sitting here for all these years. nia, you know it seven years we have been talking -- >> keep the faith -- >> so divided that we cannot get back together, that unity is not possible. i certainly hope it is but it just feels sometimes -- it just feels really grim and dark. but i digress. as my producer is telling me to go to the break. thank, you everyone, appreciate it. information so guarded that's even senior national security officials are not in the secret that's the kind of information that the former president has been holding at mar-a-lago. what could the consequences be?

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>> more fallout tonight from the washington post reporting that the fbi agents found a document describing a foreign government's nuclear capabilities in the search of mar-a-lago. so what could it mean that such extremely classified documents sat at mar-a-lago for all of that time? joining me now, discussing with chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller john, good to see you. thank you for joining us. appreciate it. we talk about the level of preservation, only a president and a few other top level officials have access to. should these have ever left the secure environment, and ended up at mar-a-lago at someone's beach home? >> so, no. they shouldn't be removed from a government facility. and if they removed from a government facility they need to be removed by people who are

cleared to move them and then stored in a way that comports with, in this case, not just confidential, not to secret, not just top secret, not just sensitive, compartmented information. but human control systems that go to actual human sources overseas. special access programs that are limited to a handful of people who have a need to know. and for all intents and purposes, as best as the investigators have laid out in their documents, it looked like these boxes were packed up in the white house office moved on a moving truck by moving who -- i am pretty confident or not cleared for this information -- and put in a basement storage room that is guarded by a padlock, which is not a secure compartmented information facility with lead lined walls and secret code to enter by authorized people. >> they were kept at a minimum -- in the former president's office and basement, adore that the fbi had to tell trump

people to put a padlock on. >> that's right. this comes after trump's lawyers and representatives and his representatives to the archives and the justice department said that they had turned over the documents and done -- i'm quoting now -- done a due diligence around the premises to make sure that that was everything. and then the fbi search, agents found in what they call the 45 office or the presidents presidential office at mar-a-lago, and the former president's office. 35 documents, that were in desk drawers, and stored right there. the due diligence is in question. don, i think to find clarity here, there is two key things we need to look at. one, is it's a clear violation of on procedure? yes, title 18, 2017. three years in prison for illegally removing, mishandling improperly storing documents. there is another for

obstruction, for not being truthful about it. and another three year count. so there is clear violations of laws. we will get hung up is, there have been people throughout this week, particularly as these nuclear secret documents have emerged saying, that's it. it's time to arrest donald trump and charge him people him and move quickly. it's a clear violation of law. while these by no means a slam dunk case. were you in the white house? yes i was. did you clear out your? was no, people do that. did you tell them to do? no i told people to tell them to do it. do you know that the documents were moved there? i found them later. eight is going to be a real challenge to establish intent. i think the people who are going to be more nervous than a donald trump right now and the people who have made factual representations to the department of justice and the fbi that might not have been true. >> i may ask you this. but even so. it doesn't the buck stops with him? because he was one that was in charge of that information they

should have been responsible for keeping that information safe, right? and secured? >> so -- >> i do said what you are saying, the case, it's gonna be tough to prove. >> the buck definitely stops with him from the point of, can you criminally prosecute for him -- it gets murkier, fast. >> what about the idea that when you look at all of this, these are the times that the archives at the department of justice reach out to, and four pages here. and he did not comply. >> when you measure that against security camera videos that show boxes being moved in and out of places during a time when they were making a search and said, they had no knowledge of documents being there. that gets us closer to that obstruction question. but it is about who are you going to pin that on. >> one more chain of command question. i was watching the former presidential candidate, the former first lady and former secretary of state hillary clinton was on the view this morning and talked about when she had to view classified

documents, top secret documents, there was our guy -- a guard -- who is tasked with, in the suitcase would come and they would get the scif or whatever the person would have it. with a lock to his arm. and they would say, madam secretary, you need to look at these documents immediately. she would look at the documents, put it up, lock them back in they would go back to a secure -- what happened? why didn't this happen with the former president? >> so in this white house -- and i for this from numerous people -- >> first of all, is that the procedure? is she correct in that? >> listen,, i just worked for, almost nine years, next door to a skiff. when i need to read a top secret document i had to punch in there and look at the documents and then put them back in the safe and then go back to my office. if we needed to transport them, that was in a locked back with a trained unauthorized career. nobody -- the thought of taking a top secret document home with me to read that night after dinner is anathema i think we start off

from bad practice. -- and that results in the violation -- >> you are seeing something about that white house. i said, what happened -- >> there was -- and i have heard this from people within the national security apparatus, who have said that there was a real laissez-faire about the handling of classified information. we have a former president george bush who is once director of the cia that comes with a certain reverence for the risk that people have to take and the length that people have to go to obtain this information. so, you are not leaving at lying around or packing it in a box or moving into moving truck restoring it without padlock. and the trump white house, it was kind of, from the very early stages, when he blurted out to high-ranking russian foreign minister and others classified information that they had obtained from another foreign government and i believe you mentioned the government that gave it to us,

two things that he was briefed on that he later tweeted to the appalling reaction of intelligence officials who briefed him and said, please be careful with this -- this in that context is not so surprising. the real issue here is, who had access to these? who saw them that we know about, who saw them that we may not know about, is there any threat in that chain, and did they get everything back? all the rest of it is just going to be the shouting. that is the key right now. today gets to all? is it now say somewhere? and while it was under protected, was there a breach? >> john miller thank you. good to see you. as always. we will be right back. people screaming] allergies don't have to be scary. flonase sensimist stops your body from overreacting to allergens with a non-drowsy, ultra-lightweight mist.

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>> republicans feeling the pinch heading into the midterms, gop senators expressing concern over the national republican senatorial committee's cash problems, although the committee has raised more money than the democratic senatorial campaign committee. it has four less cash on hand. it is not just the committee having funding problems. democratic senate candidates, in ohio, arizona, and georgia, are far outpacing their republican opponents and fundraising. this is all coming amid a feud between top republican senators rick scott and mitch mcconnell. for more, i want to bring in cnn commentator christian soltis anderson. >> facing republicans come during really during surging optimism for democrats and -- the turning point. do you see democrats holding on to that balance? >> i think that we are headed into a mid term where republicans thought they were going to have a big enthusiasm

advantage and that gap has been wiped out by really surging enthusiasm on the democratic side. republicans are still favored. they are the party out of power the, economies dylan pretty rough shape for the average american. the presidents job proven has improved. but it is still not a great territory. so republicans have a lot going for them, but definitely, the dobbs decision, in my view of looking at the polls, was a turning point where suddenly democrats got a lot more enthusiasm and the winds started shifting back a little bit. >> yeah, and political time, though, there still a lot of time between now november. >> very much so. >> yeah. one of the big senate races in georgia. and polls are showing there that democratic senator raphael warnock is leading republican candidate herschel walker by about four points outside the margin of a were. do you think that walker is going to win? he had a lot of controversies. why do you think he is going to beat warnock? do you think he is going to win?

>> i think he is perhaps of a lot of the difference when states where republicans are hoping they can make a pick up -- that is probably one of the best chances. first of all, i am an sec football person, so i never give up the power of southern football -- >> so am i. >> also, i think in that, race you do have georgia as a very purple state but it's exactly the kind of state that, in a year like this, the -- especially those suburban voters that maybe four years ago shifted to the democrats, maybe slightly more likely to come back home. so i think that georgia -- it's so going to be a very close race, in my view. but i think republicans have other races on the table that they might be a bit nervous about. >> another big senate races in wisconsin, between democratic -- mandela barnes and ron johnson. the most recent poll shows barnsley gave to percentage on since 46%. that is also outside the margin of error. will johnson be able to hold on

to see? >> i think republicans are not particularly worried about ron johnson. wisconsin is, again, one of those states where -- especially if you have an incumbent senator -- that is typically much harder to unseat someone that has been on incumbent. it was republicans -- an incumbent they, are in raphael warnock. but then the the wisconsin, case as with so many of these, a lot of times polls before the election, especially right now where democrats are very fired up, they are showing the surge in momentum. democrats are also really excited to take polls right. i'm not some poll unsecure. i'm not here to tell you that they're all fake news. but i'm here to tell you to take them with a grain of salt. with the track record of polls, and senate races, over the last couple of elections, republicans have tended to be undercounted in a lot of those. that is why you had folks like senator lindsey graham and sanders susan collins, the

polls ahead of the election, the public polls, at least, said they were on the ropes last time. and they went up winning handily. so, i think, for those two races, wisconsin and georgia, republicans are, i think, slightly favored to win those races. >> and republicans always come home, we find, in races, more than the other party, the democratic party. by the, way kristen soltis anderson, go tigers, i'm not talking about auburn. dea you -- lsu. >> -- football season, greatest time of the year. >> i saw that game on sunday, my goodness, lsu. the last second. already, i digress. thank you, kristen i will see you soon. so one of the most contentious races for one of the most important senate seats is finally coming to a head. what will happen on when fetterman and oz face-off. we will talk about that next.

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