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hello and welcome to our viewers joining us here in the united states and all around the world. you are watching "cnn newsroom," and i'm rosemary church. just ahead, washington is n critical damage control assessment over the classified documents stashed at trump's florida resort. we will look at whether the justice department should indict the former president. plus two dangerous hurricanes. we will have a live report from the cnn weather center on the active hurricanes in the
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atlantic and the pacific. and accusations of torture against ukrainian citizens at filtration camps run by russians. we are live in kyiv. good to have you with us. well, we will get to those top stories in just a moment, but first sources tell cnn former trump advisor steve bannon is expected to surrender to new york state authorities in the coming hours. bannon was indicted by the state for allegedly diverting about $1 million from a scheme that raised millions to build a border wall. trump pardoned bannon after he was charged by federal prosecutors with the same offense, but presidential pardons don't apply to state level prosecutions.
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a former white house attorney predicts bannon will eventually face prison time. take a listen. >> i think bannon's in a great deal of trouble. two of his -- two of the three colleagues with whom he was charged federally before trump pardoned him have pled guilty in that case and will be sentenced. the third went to trial, had a mistrial. he'll be tried again, but i wouldn't be surprised at all to see the colleagues who pled guilty show up on the witness list for the government assuming the government even needs them. the facts seem, you know, very straightforward. they raised $25 million, you know, assuring people it would all go to the wall building project. bannon siphoned off a million according to the allegations in the allegations that the other individuals pled guilty to. i don't think that bannon has much of a chance in that case, and it will likely result in his
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conviction and incarceration. we turn now to the fbi search of donald trump's mar-a-lago estate. republicans are taking aim at leaks to the media including a report by "the washington post" that agents recovered a document describing a foreign country's nuclear capabilities. cnn has not confirmed the story. but when asked by "the post," an attorney for the former president did not deny the substance of it. instead he said something we've now started hearing a lot from defenders of the former president, deflecting on the facts focusing instead on the leaks. it's a strategy trump supporters in congress are also adopting. >> it doesn't seem like the kind of thing you should have in your post-presidential desk drawer. >> well, let's break this down. first of all, again, we really don't know because let's go back and understand all this information is coming from one
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side and one place, and that is sources with knowledge of the investigation. well, who are the sources with knowledge of the investigation? the fbi and the justice department, and they are leaking to the media. >> the former president's son, eric, echoed that line of defense while adding a twist of his own. >> you literally have the fbi spending more time leaking stuff to the press -- i mean these pictures you think my father happened to leave documents all over his office floor? i can tell you my father is a very neat guy. he doesn't leave documents staged all over an office floor. >> to be clear no one has suggested that the fbi found these documents spread out on the floor. the justice department clearly says in court filings they were mostly in boxes and some were in desks in trump's office. and then there's comments like these from the former president's attorney general. >> i think, you know, as i've said all along there are two questions. will the government will be able
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to make out a technical case? do they have evidence by which they could indict somebody on including him? that's the first question, and i think they're getting very close to that point. >> cnn legal analyst joins me now from los angeles. she's also a former l.a. county prosecutor. great to have you with us. >> nice to be here. >> so let's start with the special master ruling that most legal experts seem to agree was wrong, and as former attorney general bill barr says was deeply flawed. he is encouraging the department of justice to appeal that decision, but he also says he doesn't want to see donald trump indicted, although he thinks they're getting close to doing just that. how difficult is the legal question of whether or not to indict a former president? and should the doj appeal that court ruling? >> well, indicting a former president has a lot of issues here. first of all, is there the evidence? and the evidence gets stronger
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every time we learn more about the information they got out of mar-a-lago and the charges that the doj are following up on. we know that the evidence they got from mar-a-lago does satisfy the three charges they were looking at -- the withholding of evidence, the mishandling of government documents as well as the obstruction of justice charge. so we know there's evidence of those charges there. we also know the evidence is starting to focus more closely on donald trump. when we heard about the obstruction of justice charge and the doj was saying that actually goes to the fact that documents allegedly removed from the storage room into donald trump's office and then they found documents not only in his office but in his desk and in the drawer of his desk that means the evidence is starting to focus more closely on donald trump. but the question is would it be donald trump they indict or was it other people actually more involved? was it his attorneys or other people? and even if they have the evidence to indict donald trump, the question is will the doj actually indict a former
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president? there are other considerations to look at that, which is what bill barr is talking about. and even if they do indict him, then the question is can they get a jury to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? so these are all issues and all questions we have no answers to at this point. >> and should the doj appeal that court ruling, do you think? >> that's a great question and they're looking at their options right now. look, there's arguments for both sides. the argument to appeal is that they have very strong legal arguments here. they made a very strong written argument opposing the special master, strong legal positions that the judge really didn't respond to in her legal ruling for the special master. so they could make a strong appeal here. however, on the other side is the fact it takes time to appeal, and they'd be appealing to the 11th circuit, which is very conservative court. so they could take the time to appeal and still lose. so they could most likely here just cut their losses, let the special master come in, do their
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job and then move on as quickly as possible. and it's interesting that in their written response to opposing the special master they did actually lay out a proposed time line, a schedule to follow if the judge did grant this special master so it could be done efficiently and quickly. >> so a "the washington post" report tuesday revealed that one of the documents seized at donald trump's mar-a-lago home last month contains an unnamed foreign nation's nuclear capabilities. how might this highly sensitive document containing nuclear secrets change the investigation, do you think? >> you know, rosemary, i think this increases the stakes, right? we know that based on the charges that the evidence found at mar-a-lago satisfies those charges. whether they're classified or not as long as they're government documents they qualify for those charges. however, if they're classified and if they're at the level of secrecy as we're talking about here perhaps even nuclear details, that really raises the stakes here. so this defense of oh, this was
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inadvertent, we didn't realize it, it was an accident that becomes much less credible. and the question of why were these documents taken to mar-a-lago in the first place, why were they held onto for so long, and why were they not turned over to government when they were asked for repeatedly, the question becomes more significant. what was the motive behind this when we know ifatize was reported there were nuclear details in these documents? >> still so many unanswered questions. and then steve bannon is expected to hand himself in today to face new york state charges relating to his fund-raising efforts for a wall along the southern u.s. border. bannon apparently siphoning almost one million dollars of those funds for his personal use. donald trump pardoned him for federal charges but that won't cover him this time. so what will likely happen to bannon do you think? >> that's right. so a federal pardon does not bar state charges and neither does
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double jeopardy. a lot of people are saying how could this happen if it's a similar incident and now the state is trying to bring the same charges? there is no double jeopardy in this situation for three reasons. first of all, in the federal case he was just indicted and then he was pardoned. so double jeopardy didn't actually attach. the second reason is new york actually put in a new law in 2019 for specifically a case like this where if someone is federally pardoned, the state prosecutor can still bring charges arriving from the same incident without having double jeopardy attached. and we also have the supreme court who also ruled in 2019 they reaffirmed the dual sovereignty doctrine. so he's looking at some serious charges here, and he also is also facing a conviction that he was convicted on for contempt of congress this summer because he refused to cooperate with the
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january 6th committee. he's going to be sentenced on that case in october. he's looking at a minimum of one month and up to 2 years in federal prison. so he's got a lot of legal cases going on right now. >> all right, loni coombs, thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you. in pennsylvania's high profile senate race the state's lieutenant governor says he will debate his republican challenger despite the lingering effects of a stroke. republican mehmet oz has made his opponent's health a frequent issue and had mocked john fetterman for not agreeing to a debate. no date has been set, but fetterman says he's looking at mid-october. fetterman says the only holdup has been recovering from auditory issues following his stroke in may. pennsylvania is seen as a key contest in november with democrats hoping to add a seat in the evenly divided senate.
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well, a number of wildfires burning out of control in california. the fairview fire in riverside county has now burned more than #,000 acres, and according to authorities is only 5% contains. fire officials warn residents to be ready to evacuate. the blaze is moving at an incredible speed, almost doubling in size in just over a day. as of now at least two people have been killed. and those fires fueled by a sweltering heat wave that continues to bake the western u.s. setting high temperature records and stressing the power grids. nowhere has it been felt more than in california. experts say it may be one of the worst heat waves ever. dozens of high temperature records have been broken throughout the west. and we're also watching two dangerous hurricanes right now. in the eastern pacific warnings have been issued for parts of
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baha, california, and other parts of mexico. hurricane kay is expected to produce dangerous storm surges and coastal flooding. it's expected to start battering the coast in earnest in the hours ahead. and in the atlantic a hurricane watch has been issued for the island of bermuda. hurr hurricane earl is set to past east of the island and expected to become a major hurricane. let's bring in cnn meteorologist pedram. >> governors in mexico opening shelters in advance of this storm system at one point just about 24 hours ago still prompted hurricane warnings off the central coast of mexico and tracking 90 mile per hour winds. landfall potential within the next 24 hours around the west
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central region of baha. and notice the system will gradually lose some of its steam becoming a tropical storm but coming uncomfortably close to southern california where the population density far greater than the sparsely populated region of the baha. hurricane nora back in 1997 reached 250 miles, 400 kilometers from san diego. kay comes in close proximity at its closest approach potentially producing significant rainfall in southern california and bringing gusty winds and much cooler temperatures. am of this going to be beneficial, bringing temperatures back down, improving fire weather conditions but quite a bit of rain in store here across the baha. possibly 4 to 6 inches, higher amounts of 10 inches possible, but notice portions of of southern california in the movahvi desert could see as much
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as 2 inches here to 4 inches. so enough rainfall to bring temperatures down from the 100s to 80s in spots. look at palm springs, 104, 86, 84. so incredible rains in store for parts of california. talking about incredible rains portions of of the caribbean could see this as well. hurricane earl there approaching areas of bermuda in the next 48 hours, and could come uncomfortably close to that region as well. models in the last 24 hours have shifted this further east and away from bermuda but in closer proximity to prompt haur cane alerts and officials there say you've got to take the storm seriously, just a minor variation of this track as a major hurricane approaching the island, so officials watching this closely as well. >> good advice. many thanks as always. appreciate it. still to come key supporters are meeting in germany to consider what to do next about the war in ukraine. plus ukrainian troops are making
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russian forces are losing ground near ukraine's second largest city. cnn has geolocated this video showing ukrainian troops in a town about 70 kilometers southeast of kharkiv, until recently occupied by russian forces. president zelenskyy praised their success. >> translator: this week we have some good news from the kharkiv region. you all have probably already seen the reports about the activity of the ukrainian defenders, and i think every citizen is proud of our
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soldiers. >> meanwhile, ukraine's top general appears to suggest that ukraine is behind last month's strikes on russian targets in crimea. in an article published in ukraine wherein state media he cites those strikes as an example of why ukraine needs long-range weapons. well, meanwhile, russia is taking political heat at the unite nations over its so-called filtration camps in ukraine. cnn's melissa bell joins us in kyiv with more. accusations of torture at these camps run by russia. what more are you learning about this? >> that's right. ever since the invasion began and we started to hear what was happening around those parts of ukraine occupied by russian forces, these stories of filtration camps have been coming through. both the ones that are used to filter the people leaving cities like mariupol in trying to get ukrainian held lands but also
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filtration camps that lead people forcibly being exiled to russia but actually taken physically to some very far-flung corners of russia itself. that's something we've been hearing a lot about these last few months, and this was raised yesterday at the united nations by the united states and albania, and pretty harrowing accounts that came from the u.n. -- the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. we also heard from the ukrainian ambassador. what we're talking about here, rosemary, is 2.5 million ukrainians that they say have been forcibly taken to the russian fed reration including 38,000 children. those are the figures that were put to the united nations. yesterday the ambassador denied those claims calling them fantasies of the west saying those refugees who found themselves in russia had access to medical care, to medical assistance and to help and these
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issues having been raised prevented the actual issues from being discussed. again, this was a meeting to take the opportunity to put those figures out there and have those issues raised. an important one very difficult for us here on the ukrainian side of things to get any real access to. we have heard heard from many people who have been through them as they fled kyiv occupied by russian forces and pretty harrowing details of hugeulation, beatings, people being kept essentially in prison for days and weeks at a time. >> melissa bell, many thanks for bringing us up-to-date on that story. joining us live from kyiv. well, as the war grinds on ukraine's allies are about to meet in germany to consider their next steps. and the u.s. defense secretary will host a meeting of the ukraine defense contact group at the air base in germany. nato says the group will focus
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on the crisis in ukraine and related security issues. but u.s. officials say the meeting could also look into proposals to support ukraine's military after the war. and for more on all of this fred pleitgen is standing by at the air base. good to see you, fred. what all is expected to come out of this meeting? >> reporter: rosemary, i think this is really important meeting with this contact taking place. we are of course more than half a year into the war with ukraine, and you've already outlined some of the things i think are going to be very important for the secretary of defense for lloyd austin. on the one hand it's going to be keeping the momentum right now. there are some european nations where some fear there might be some fatigue setting in. it was quite interesting because the german minister about a week ago was hinting maybe germany was starting to reach some of the limits of the stockpile it has to support ukraine especially when you're talking about heavy weapons. certainly the u.s. and its allies going to send a very big message not just to the
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ukrainians but to the russians as well that the u.s. and its allies are in it for the long run, the momentum is still going strong and ukrainians are going to receive the weapons they need to continue the fight for their sovereignty and freedom. one of the issues we're going to be look at is see where the united kingdom goes in the future. the new administration in office after boris johnson, of course, has always been a champion of the cause, met with the president of ukraine for so many times and also providing a lot of aid. is that going to continue on the same level? certainly going to wait to see what sort of message the united kingdom is going to send here at this conference. and what you talked about is important as well is what's going to happen in the long-term. what's the ukraine yp military going to look like in the future? and that's certainly something the u.s. in particular is going to be looking at. what do the ukrainians need to build the military as they transition first and foremost
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from some of that gear, what's the future of the ukrainian military going to look like, and one of the things in that also really important to see was that article saying ukraine really needs longer distance weapons. he was talking about those strikes in crimea, and one of the things ukraine has been saying for a long time. they want longer range capabilities to hit the rear e echelons of the russians to a greater extent than they have in the past. of course a little more than half an hour you're going to have the opening remarks by the secretary of defense and then we'll know more as to what exactly this meeting plans to achieve. >> all right, we'll keep an eyeeye on all this. a manhunt for a mass stabbing suspect in canada is over. coming up the latest on the dramatic conclusion to a series of attacks that shocked the nation. and a horrific series of
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we have some breaking news this hour. a man suspected of killing at least four people and injuring three others during a shooting rampage in memphis, tennessee, is now in custody. police say 19-year-old ezekiel kelly was arrested following a high-speed chase and has been transported to the shelby county
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jail. >> so first i wanted to reassure the community that 19-year-old ezekiel kelly is, in fact, in custody. this has been a horrific week for the city of memphis and the memphis police department. we extend our severe condolences to all the victims who have been affected in this sequence of violent acts today. >> the shooting rampage is believed to have stretched across eight crime scenes and lasted nearly 24 hours. >> in nevada las vegas police have made an arrest in the killing of a local journalist found dead outside his home on saturday with multiple shock force injuries. jeff german worked for the las vegas review journal. he was working on a story about a local official during the week of his death. that official, clark county public administrator robert
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tellis, was taken into custody wednesday evening on suspicion of murder according to the paper. a drag net in canada has ended as police track down mass suspect myles sanderson and took him into custody. police say he died a short time later after going into medical distress. this comes after a rampage on sunday left ten people dead and 18 others wounded. myles' brother damian, who was also a suspect in the stabbings, was found dead on monday. police arrested myles sanderson wednesday after forcing his stolen vehicle off a highway in the province of saskatchewan. a separate police force and an independent civilian-led oversight organization will investigate the suspect's death. well, a big rally on wall street wednesday as investors try to snap a lingering slump. all three major wall street
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indices enjoyed major gains. the s&p rose 1.8%. the nasdaq closed more than 2% h higher, and the dow gained well over 400 points. markets seemed soothed by the fed vice chair who said the central bank will do what it takes to ease inflation but understands the risks of going too far. and wall street's new trading day gets under way in about six hours so here's where u.s. futures stand right now. they had been up just a short time ago. meanwhile european markets are up and running so let's take a look at those. they are in positive territory, and here's a look at how markets across asia have been faring today, the nikkei up more than 2% there. well, it may only be early september, but winter is coming, and for europe that means freezing temperatures and sky high energy prices. but the european union is working on a plan to help
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consumers weather the storm. european commission president is proposing a price camp on russian gas imports and limits on electricity use during peak hours. her plan also calls for a solidarity contribution from fossil fuel companies who are raking in record profits. eu members will discuss the measures at an emergency meeting on friday. >> we aim at lowering the costs of gas. and therefore we will propose a price cap on russian gas. of course the objective here is very clear. we must cut russia's revenues which putin uses to finance his atrocious war in ukraine. >> russian president vladimir putin says anyone who imposes price caps on russian gas will get no russian energy supplies at all. europe typically imports about 40% of its gas and 30% of its
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oil from russia. well, the new british prime minister will unveil her strategy to fight soaring energy costs today. the financial times reports liz truss is preparing a $172 billion bailout for consumers and businesses. >> i understand that people across our country are struggling with the cost of living and they're struggling their energy bills, and that is why i as prime minister will take immediate action to help people with the cost of their energy bills. >> well, there's been no real explanation of how she would pay for the pricey package, although she ruled out a wind fall tax on energy company's profits. the plan would freeze the average annual energy bill for u.k. households at around $2,800. that's up 27% from the current level but well below the nearly
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$4,000 it would likely hit by october. and cnn's claire sebastian joins us now live from london with more on this. and of course, claire, that is the big question, isn't it? how is liz truss going to pay for this energy plan? >> that is the question, rosemary. i don't think anyone disputes given the scale of the emergency here in the u.k. that something big needs to be done, that money needs to be put in peoples hands to get them through the winter. but the key thing that separates her from frankly other members of her party and of course the opposition labor party is exactly how to pay for this. the plan that has been reported would be so large, $172 billion is what's being reported, that would dwarf any single pandemic relief plan. it would be almost double what germany has so far said it's going to spend on mitigating its own energy crisis. liz truss has said that she doesn't want to raise taxes to pay for this. by contrast she wants to cut taxes. she also does not want to extend a wind fall tax brought in by
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the johnson government on oil and gas companies. that was brought in may. she does not want to extend that despite pressure from the opposition party to do that. so what's left is more government borrowing. and the risk of that that could push up borrowing costs which are already going up, help fuel inflation and could dampen investor confidence overall in the u.k. which relies heavily on foreign investors buying its government debt. so that is the risk there. however, the plan is being muted which is to cap the price of customer bills that could d d e a key purpose to bring down inflation. this is something we've heard from economists and even the bank of england said on wednesday that is something it would look at in its forecast. the details are going to be crucial here, rosemary. >> yes, everyone will be listening and watching. many thanks. still to come pakistan's largest lake overflows
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some residents are terrified a after the country's largest lake overflowed for a third time on tuesday. many have been forced into temporary shelters while others are completely trapped by the floods. the high waters are so vast in some areas there's not even room to bury the dead. cnn's anna coren has this report which contains video that may be difficult to watch. >> reporter: a metal box is pulled through the flood waters. what's in the box, asked the bistander. a dead body, replies the man. they open the lid and show the body of a man crammed in. the family doesn't have money for a funeral, he explains. there is no place to bury the dead, that is how bad the situation is. they continue to hold the makeshift coffin through the brown, murky water searching for higher ground to bury the corpse. in another district a group of villagers drag a makeshift raft with another man's body through the flood waters.
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we came across an official with a tractor, says a man looking distressed. we requested help to transport the body, but he denied. there is no ambulance, no support by anyone. as pakistan's catastrophic floods continue to inundate one-third of the country the province in the country's southeast is now bearing much of the brunt of the climate change induced disaster. with much of the water unable to drain away, there is nowhere to give the dead a dignified burial. instead these villages hold a funeral procession for their relative in the very waters that claimed his life. pakistan's unprecedented monsoonal rains that have been falling since june have ofted 33 million people across the country. that's 15% of the population. millvens have been displaced having lost their homes and crops in the flood waters. and the government and aid agencies are struggling to
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provide enough food, medical care and shelter to those who have lost everything. the ferocity of the flash floods has been the biggest killer. more than 1,300 people have died, one-third of them children including a three-day old baby girl whose family tried to escape their home as the water almost reached the ceiling. >> the wife had the baby in her hands, and just at the end she couldn't hold it because the water was too strong and the baby was swept away. they found the baby, but unfortunately the baby died. >> reporter: for the people living near the pakistan's largest fresh-water lake, a looming disaster supposedly averted has come at a very high price. officials were forced to breach it to reduce dangerously high-water levels, but tens of thousands of villages down stream have now been left homeless, and further flooding is still expected. it destroyed our crops and
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houses. no one informed us it was happening, no one warned us, explain this farmer, tending to his cattle barely keeping their heads above water. the village is submerged. there is no way to get to our village, says this man. some families are now stranded. we appeal to the government to send rescue teams and help these people. a plea to an already overstretched government grappling to deal with this unprecedented calamity. anna coren, cnn, hong kong. millions of people are impacted by the devastating floods in pakistan, and you can help. to find out how just go to cnn.com/impact. and we'll be right back.
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tiafoe has always loved the big stage and now it's his. >> american tennis player frances tiafoe is one step closer to completing what he calls his cinderella story at this year's u.s. open. he bet andre of russia advancing to the tell me finals. his road to get here hasn't been easy, though, surprising the world by defeating 22-time grand slam champ raphael nadal in the fourth round on monday. >> i just love playing in front of a packed crowd. i feel like, you know, that's why you train hard and show the world what you can do. don't shy away from it. go to it. and i love playing in front of
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people. i love showing the world what i can do, and makes me feel good when people appreciate how hard you're trying out there and appreciate good tennis especially where i came from. and to see that many people behind me means a lot. i just want it go out there and try to give the crowd what they want and that's me getting a win. >> just amazing. all right, so like all important art the official white house portraits of barack and michelle obama reveal much more than paint on canvas. for starters it was the first time in ten years that an unveiling was held. no such ceremony for the obamas took place in the trump white house. it also marked michelle obama's first visit to the white house since 2017, reviving the time-honored tradition is meant to symbolize the smooth and peaceful transition of democratic power from one administration to the next. the former president joked about the photo realism of his own
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portrait including his gray hair but gushed about the painting of the former first lady. >> i want to thank sharon sprung for capturing everything i love about michelle. her grace, her intelligence, and the fact that she's fine. she is. her portrait is stunning. >> the style of the two portraits also represents a dramatic departure from the past more traditional white house portraits. the former president is shown against a modern white background while the former first lady is seated in an elegant designer dress. beautiful portraits. and before we go, middle earth welcomes a new group of faces but not without controversy. >> everyone must decide who we
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shall be. >> that's from the new prime video series "lord of the rings, the rings of power" set in a fantasy world thousands of years before the main lord of rings novels. the show features people of color playing elves and other characters. cast members have been the target of racist remarks online, but the original cast of the popular film trilogy shared their own views. the actors posted this photo featuring a message in elvish reading you all are welcome here. and thank you so much for spending part of your day with me. i'm rosemary church. "cnn newsroom" continues with max foster.
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