-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com anderson's been working on a new podcast called "all there is." he started recording it while packing up his mother's apartment after her passing. it's about the people we lose, the things they have, and what they leave behind. you'll find it on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. the news continues, so let's hand it over to laura coates and "cnn tonight." >> i can't wait to listen to that podcast from anderson as well. this is "cnn tonight." look, we've got some pretty big news to take apart. there's a lot of news coming out. it might feel a little incremental at different times, the drip, drip, of different information coming from doj, a subpoena here, a subpoena there. the drip, drip, is now raining down all over trump world. we're talking about more than 30 issued by the doj just in recent

days, 30 of them, into the investigation into the attack on january 6th. now, the question is, who has been insnared by all this and what it could ultimately mean for donald trump and really our nation next. we'll talk more about that in just a few moments. but you can't lose the irony here, the idea that we've been talking a lot about january 6th, about the election-related lies, about the idea of how the u.s. democracy is in peril because there was not this expectation that was met of a peaceful transition of power. and then you've got this idea of over across the pond, as they say, the fact that, as they say, no king ever dies. once somebody has passed in the monarchy, the next person is able to take up that position immediately. and it's 2:00 a.m. in scotland right now, and you're looking at this unfold, as live pictures are coming in at the scenes of the very public payment of

respect. that to the late queen elizabeth whose coffin lies in rest in st. gi giles cathedral. it will lie in state until her funeral one week from today. reflection about the long-est reigning monarch there. and in this very grand farewell that you're seeing. now, the crown of scotland placed atop the queen's coffin during a prayer service earlier. and moving was to see the queen's four children, including the now-king, king charles iii, that is, standing vigil around their mother's casket, mounting their guard symbolically. we saw them march in lock step in a procession along that royal mile to the church when her royal majesty was moved there. throngs of people lining the streets get a chance to witness history and say good-bye.

this really has been and will continue to be a celebration of life, a commemoration of a beloved public servant, britain's longest serving monarch. but i also want to be clear that the idea of a monarch is not a universally-loved concept. look at us here in the united states of america. we've defined ourselves, as a nation, by our rejection of the monarchy, our declaration of independence, and our rejection from that centralized power. and as it is, the queen's death has become more of a conversation not only here but all across the globe that's broadened beyond her individual life. and there have been questions about whether there should even be a monarchy anymore. some see it a time to re-evaluate the future should actually hold and really answer the question of can, or maybe should, the commonwealth survive the death of a queen? the global reaction has been interesting. you're following along online or seeing what's happening.

i mean, it is quite mixed. and it ranges on a big spectrum. king charles is now the monarch of 14 of the 56 commonwealth countries, which are mostly british colonies. the prime minister of antigua and barbuda said the caribbean country will hold a referendum the next few years on whether to become a republic and remove king charles as their head of state. bar barbados severed its links to britain last year by declaring itself a republic. there are major debates in other parts of the caribbean about the monarchy's continued role in countries like the bahamas, like belize, like jamaica as well, along with conversations about the impact of british colonialism, which the history -- let's just call it, fraught, shall we? among those who strongly questioned the merits of the monarchy in the uk, surprisingly, if tapes are

right, and they are, it's britain's own new prime minister, liz truss. but not recently. back when she was a teenager back in 1994 at a liberal democrats' conference watch this. >> we do not believe that people should be born to rule or that they should put up and shut up about decisions that affect their everyday lives. we met another group of people and another group of people and all three groups of people said, abolish the monarchy. in fact, conference, we couldn't find a single monarchist outside the royal pavilion. how ironic. >> how ironic, indeed, because she's now a conservative who met the queen two days before her death and is seen in the last public photos with her. joining me now is cnn royal historian kate williams, also

niels, white house columnist at the hill, and harvard history professor, author of three books on the british empire. great to have you here today and really contextualize this conversation further. as i alluded to and frankly outright stated, there is a lot of pomp and pageantry that's happening right now. and this is the longest reigning monarch. and she and her power and her force and of course her intellect and how she was revered is undeniable. but there's also a broader conversation happening right now about what will be next. where will the monarchy go from here? will it remain intact and the way it is? let me begin with you kate. i wonder from your perspective on the way there has been transition, the 70-year-plus monarch and the way she has been in that position, are there real conversations happening for the first time about the true future and the reception of the monarchy? >> yes, laura, i think that's a

fair point to make. there has been, as you say, incredible reign, 70 years on the throne. the queen was born just after world war i. you know, she was born, women didn't even all have the vote, has seen so much of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. and yet her reign also saw the great hollows of -- the great hollows of empires still continuing. we have to -- you know, even in the early parts of her reign, countries were fighting for independence, such as kenya, who became independent in 1963. and there were these big conversations going on about the questions you are raising in your introduction about whether or not britain will still be head of state of other countries, the british monarch. antigua is looking into it, australia, jamaica. new zealand has said she expects new zealand to become a republic in her lifetime.

i think jamaica will go quite quickly as well. and i think it will be a domino effect. i think country after country -- let's remember an australian female politician said she wasn't going to swear allegiance to the queen because of the suffering of indigenous people. king charles, as he is now, king charles has on his plate really the transition of britain. and certainly a lot of these countries said they weren't going to do anything while the queen is around. now the queen is no longer with us. under charles, i think they will look into the question of becoming republics. for some of them, it's quite constitutionally difficult. but i think the political will is there and also the public will as well. >> let me go to that deal, the public will and political will. scotland's first minister says the country stands ready to support king charles iii. but they had previously pushed and pledged for independence. and i'm wondering -- that was a referendum, by the way. there's going to be a vote held, i think, in october of next year. is there a likelihood that

scotland might have independence and move towards it? >> it's certainly likely. the main party that is advocating that, the scottish national party, is the primary party in scotland right now. but the broader picture here, laura, is that this is a very disunited kingdom. as you say, the scots did have a referendum in 2014. that was defeated. the pro-union side won that, but it didn't quell the desire for independence. and in my own native northern ireland, the party that would hope to remove northern ireland from the united kingdom entirely and create a united ireland became the largest party in the northern ireland assembly back in may. so, there is clearly a ground swell. these, of course, are very, very -- i'm sure we don't have time here to rehearse the whole vexing history of england and ireland or the fact that i think in "god save the king" we should say now, there's a verse that no one sings anymore. but rebellious scots to crush, i

think, is the line. that whole friction has been present for centuries. >> yeah. i mean, thinking about that -- maya, i want to bring you in here because you wrote eloquently in the piece about this very issue in an op-ed. i believe your phrase was to mourn the queen but not her empire. this is a phrase i'm hearing all over now. i mean, it's trending on social media. the conversations that really delve into this conflicted notion. on the one hand, the celebration of a woman and for the reasons we articulated. and then the idea of the ills of a monarchy. i mean, the united states in and of itself can't begin to pretend as though we have revered indefinitely and universally the monarch. we are the united states for that reason, #theteaparty. the other one, not the most recently one. the original boston tea party had these issues. maya, let me ask you, how should the king handle the calls that

are happening right now to try to contend with the past? there's calls for reparations, for apologies, for colonization. where do you stand? >> well, my feeling is that these conversations should have been happening already a while ago. and, you know, i've heard a lot of things being said in recent days about, you know, now is not the time to bring up this or bring up that. i think for people in parts of the former british empire, it's felt like time for a long time. i think and expect that king charles will undertake more open sort of discussions. he personally probably will not, but will allow to have happen, discussions about the legacies of british imperialism, about the appropriate forms of apology or other kinds of redress that might come from the monarchy and so on. i think that, as kate already,

and nile pointed out, the move of the current dominions to get rid of the monarchist head of state is going to accelerate. and i think this is really a great opportunity to educate the british public about what has happened in the last seven decades of britain's global history and just bring the conversations that have long been going on in former colonies a little bit more in line with britain's own understanding of what imperial history was, what it's like, and how to forge hopefully a good relationship going forward. >> you know, you mentioned and i couldn't help but think in my mind about the conversations we're having here stateside about how to contend with one's history, how it's taught, how it's contextualized, how to bring about the very obvious notions of what's happening. i wonder, kate, is this the -- have these conversations taken place before? to the point that maya raised, they should be happening all along. have they been taking place and

swept under a proverbial rugby virtue of the respect conferred to this queen? >> well, i think what we've had certainly is a surge of reassessment of the empire, particularly in the blake of the black lives matter movement. people are reconsidering in terms of slavery and slavery reparations and apologies. and i think that's really important. and i think britain is coming to terms. but, you know, very recently, one of our very foremost politicians was on a tv show discussing the war. he was saying the concentration camps at the army at the bore war was to help them. so, we have that being purported by these kinds of myths being purported. and i also wanted to mention, laura, that history is so important than legacy and slavery and empire, but also in terms of how the dominions are

looking at britain. there are more current issues as well, in the sense there's a huge scandal in britain called the wind rush scandal, which is about when young people from jay maka came over after world war ii to rebuild the country. they lived here their whole lives. they felt they were citizens. in 2011 or 2012, the government threw away their government cards so they didn't have proof they belonged to them. suddenly they were trying to deport them so they couldn't have benefits. there was even a lady chef in the house of lords and they were trying to deport her. this huge scandal, these two impact on perceptions of what is our relationship when we were in the caribbean to the british throne. i think also there is a questioning, especially i would say since brexit, of what is the benefit of align with britain? an interesting survey was done by the house of lords into the countries of the caribbean and across the world want to ally

with different countries, not britain, that we are not seeing as a source of power anymore. so, there are a lot of big questions to engage with. >> i'm so glad that you made it current as well. i'm thinking about especially the wind rush generation. i myself am married to a first generation american whose family is from jamaica. i'm black american, and in my grandmother's home there was a picture of martin luther king, a picture of jesus on the wall. and in his family, it was the queen. i remember talking about the conversations that ensued between the distinctions of what it's like to be caribbean descent and what it's like to be black american. and the conversation parallel so often around issues and immigration in particular. so, that's a really important point to raise. k thank you so much. well, back here in the u.s., important developments in the doj's criminal probe into january 6th, what we're learning tonight about new grand jury

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new signs the doj's criminal probe into january 6th is intensifying. sources telling cnn that the doj has subpoenaed more than 30 people within trump's orbit in just recent days. that includes trump's former campaign manager bill stepien, his former chief of staff danica vie know, and even groups like women for america first. "the new york times" reporting federal agents seized cell phones of two key allies last

week, boris epstein and micro man, both linked to the alternate elector scheme. joining me now, elliott williams, and senior staff editor at the "new york times" opinion, david swird lick. i'm glad you're all here, looking very intense but dapper nonetheless. but this is an intense time. we're talking about 30 subpoenas. every time you think you can look away from discussions about trump and the orbit, bam, here we are again. >> these are investigations around january 6th, but what does that even mean? number one, you've got what happened on january 6th, the day, investigations into the violence and the rioting that happened there. number two, the fake elector scheme that led to january 6th. that's a whole separate set of crimes being investigated. number three, former president trump's save america pact and possible campaign fraud and wire fraud allegations there.

so, what was just quote, unquote january 6th is now almost a web of different crimes being investigated separately. this is a very far reaching investigation. and when people say that this is the biggest one the justice department's ever been a part of, yeah, that's what's happening here. >> including the attorney general. merrick garland said this is the most significant case in the justice department's history. and i think right now there are shudders going through donald trump's orbit. and people who haven't been subpoenaed are worried. i feel like from here on set, we can hear the sound of phones being thrown into the potomac river right now because people are worried about this. we've said all along that merrick garland was going to work his way up the pyramid. he's doing exactly what he did. he came under withering pressure from social media mobs for not doing enough quickly. this is what they're doing. they prosecuted the low level offenders tied to the insurrection, and they're working their way up to the top. i think at this point, for folks

in trump world who use the "game of thrones" metaphors, they like to create memes with trump, right now that people would say, justice is coming. and they felt that hit the air waves tonight. >> you're proud of that metaphor. >> i know. it was like winter is coming. he built it up. it was really great. wow. he liked it. >> the only problem with that is a lot of people who watched "game of thrones" also should have watched "the wire." another hbo show. >> and in the next segment, we will do a review of "the wire." >> do you have an analogy to raise here? i would say "golden girls" but that doesn't work here. >> we're going through hbo shows here. >> quick point, laura. the events between election 2020 and january 6th, 2021, were like a jigsaw puzzle. between the work of the january 6th committee and the work of

the justice department, they've been building the case, pieces on a jigsaw puzzle are being put together. we don't know if that means the speech on the ellipse or that the events at the capitol or what happened in all of these various states are connected, what crimes were committed, but a picture is starting to emerge. and the justice department is putting it together. that is what i take away. >> the thing about a jigsaw puzzle is too you can see the visible cracks. you can see the way this has been put together. and part of that is involved with the mar-a-lago matter, the idea of the special master, the search warrant, the affidavit, all the different notions. we are seeing in real time a lot of things happening. in fact, as you know, the doj has responded to the idea of a special master. last week, we were talking about this, they had about four people on their list of who they wanted to have, two from trump side, two from their side. where are we? >> the justice department today issued a filing saying one of the two folks trump put forward they could support, judge

raymond j. deer ri, close to consensus pick as could be, respected on all sides, and has background -- he was a former judge of the former intelligence surveillance court. >> so, probably has clearance. >> has clearance and experience in dealing with these matters. one of the picks that the trump folks have put forward is almost a non-starter. his wife is ultimately on the court that's going to get this. it was a clear conflict of interest. the judge just has to rule on it. both parties are in agreement that it should be judge jerry. >> is it easy to -- if this person is going to be reviewing everything, is it easy to try to get these clearances? how long are we talking about this process that might last? >> it's going to be at the discretion of the executive branch. it could happen quickly. laura, you point to something here that's really significant, which is that this information has already gotten into hands that it wasn't supposed to get in the hands of.

by just taking these documents to his private residence, trump has forced agents and prosecutors and soon potentially judges and special masters and a whole cast of characters to have access to materials that, according to public reporting, in some cases was only known by a tiny handful of cabinet secretaries and maybe a few others. that's it. the documents, without knowing whether they've leaked to foreign intelligence agencies or already in hands they shouldn't have. another thing to note here is this whole negotiation in front of the judge is about whether the justice department and the intelligence community can continue their review on the sensitivity of these documents in general. so, right now they're having to sit on their hands and not be able to look into what the intelligence community blowback is. that might mean that sensitive intelligence sources around the world are at risk. there could be a whole range of national security damages they haven't been able to investigate yet. >> it obliterates the need-to-know basis.

that's gone. >> trump's lawyers made the argument in this latest round saying that the government hasn't proved that all these dock youmts are classified. but that logic is backward. these documents belong to the people of the united states of america. we're not talking about a commemorative mug from trump meeting putin in held sinki. the onus should be on trump for why he had them, why he kept them. >> everyone wants my newest cnn mode. >> i do. >> that was a little bit of shade. thank you. stick around. we have more to talk about. still ahead, there is great back splash to the supreme court since the fall of roe v. wade. now the supreme court justice defending the legitimacy of the court. plus, justin kagan on the subject. next.

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and includes strict audits that ensure funds go directly to people off the streets and into there's only one choice. yes on 27. supreme court justice elena kagan just weighed in on the plummeted perception of the supreme court, saying, quote, i think judges create legitimacy problems for themselves. if one judge dies or leaves a court and another judge comes in and all of a sudden the law changes on you, what does that

say? that just doesn't seem a lot like law. joining me now, cnn legal analyst and supreme court biographer, joan biskupic. i wonder what she's referencing. >> 2020, one justice died. another justice came on. we got the end of roe v. wade completely. and only because of that change in justices. there was elena kagan tonight in new york reporting what she said earlier this summer about how when the justices suddenly switch gears on the law because of a change of personnel, what does that do to public confidence in the court and to the court's legitimacy. >> and it's coming of course after you have a political process by how you have a supreme court confirmed. that's a very political-feeling thing. there's already mistrust issues. this adds to the idea of what's it all about. >> completely does. and this is -- this is her thing. but get this, laura, they

disagree not just on cases, but they disagree on why people are questioning the court's legitimacy. just last weekend in colorado springs, the chief justice said, people shouldn't question the legitimacy of the court. it's just that they're disagreeing with the rulings. he's sort of side stepping this whole argument, saying, we don't have a crisis of integrity here. we don't have a crisis of legitimacy. we only have people disagreeing with our opinions. what he's ignoring is the fact that what people are seeing is a very politically motivated majority, a supermajority, plowing through all sort of norms, rolling back a half century of abortion rights, and also changing gun rights, changing regulatory authority, doing all these things based on patterns that arise from their partisan roots. so, what elena kagan is saying is when you appear that way, when you're acting not like a court, not like you're relying

on the law but that you're relying on politics, that's necessarily going to undercut the integrity of the court. and the chief is saying, well, that's not exactly what's happening here even know we know he -- >> we know that's how he thinks. on that point, the idea he's not a silly man. he's not ignorant to the fact there is public perception and perception is king, in some respects. the question though is, yes, we have political grievances as part of political discussions all the time. should the supreme court, though, cater to the perception? that's the real question. they have a new term coming up where, look, they've had a whole host of issues to tackle. if people believe they're political and they're trying not to be perceived that way, aren't they catering? >> that's not catering to public perceptions. there's a whole other first step of how are they going to decide cases? are they going to rely on prec precedent? are they going to give honest rationales people can believe in? are they going to vote in ways

that do not appear to be pushing boundaries, becoming more activists. that's so much -- it's not catering to the public, i don't think. obviously you have to -- many of the justices over time have taken into consideration public perceptions. but that's not exactly what's happening here. it's the idea of public confidence. and what polls have shown is that people believe that the justices are now voting based on their politics, not on their ideology necessity, and not on what the law says, but based on their politics. and certainly the court, as a whole, shouldn't want that. >> of course not. and we've got a few weeks before the new term. and a lot of the issues they're going to tackle are going to be politically significant as well again. we'll see what happens. joan biskupic. always great to have you here. there's a new approach to curbing gun violence in america some are talking about, and it has to do with the financial organizations. could credit card companies be stepping into the fight? if they are, will it make a

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so, credit card companies are going begin tracking sales of something we buy a lot in this country, more than new cars, more than refrigerators. we're talking about guns. right now when you use a credit

card at all sorts of stores, whether it's a hair salon or movie theater, something called a merchant category code tracks that purchase. well, now the international group that manages these codes and sets these codes and determines what they are, it's called the international standard organization. and they have approved a code for sales at gun stores. stores like walmart that sell more than just guns, they have different codes. here to talk about the implications is my panel. gentlemen, i mean, first of all, let's talk about this. this is not tracking everyone's gun sales to have a database. but that is the fear people have, that by having a corresponding code, you'll know who's buying what, when, and where. issue? are you guys quiet right now? i said the word gun, i said sell, i said tracking. are you guys joking? >> there's three lawyers here and me, and i was at a gun range

yesterday shooting my guns. >> right, look, i -- you just said, it's not going to be a gun registry. and then you said we're going to know who, what, when, where. >> i said the fear is that. >> federal law prohibits a gun registry. >> so, they went outside the law and intimidated the credit card companies. >> let me say two things. number one, you're right to purchase all the ammunition that you bought at the gun range. i support it. it's a beautiful thing. it's your right as a citizen. people ought to be suspicious whenever some tech company or bank gets access to their data. the problem is there is a framework for tracking suspicious. >> what is the definition? what is definition? >> let me finish. human trafficking is a great example. when a person purchases -- that's an immediate flag for tracking under the law. you could create a similar

framework for purchases of firearms. you could do that. i'm with you that, of course, you ought to be suspicious if you're talking about cutting down on folks' lawful conduct. but people also kill citizens with guns. and if someone's going to commit a mass shooting, there ought to be a way to flag a suspicious purchase. i think we agree on this more than we think. >> the thing you're both missing is it's not the government. it's corporate america. the government is constrained by this misreading, by the morons of the supreme court and the second amendment. i say this as a responsible gun owner. this is credit card companies. i was at a bar in austin, texas, drowning my sorrows after alabama squeaked out a win against my longhorns, the animal that murdered people in pulse night club spent $26,000 on guns and ammo. we should know that. i'm not saying that will have

stopped him, although i would like to have. it's not the government doing it. other it private business. private business already knows everything you buy. >> is it when for you they know it? obviously we know about the orlando pulse night club shooter and many others because of the fbi investigations after the fact and the credit card receipts. your point is the proactive -- the knowing it beforehand seems like it is discrimination in some way. >> well, who's going to know it? and to me, the whole term here that matters is suspicious activity. what's suspicious to elizabeth warren who's out banging the drum for this thing, is less suspicious to me. >> i'm literally saying you can do this -- >> who? who can do it? corporations -- >> you want -- you're conflating -- >> corporations -- i'm sorry. corporations exist to make money. they are doing this because they will make money. why? >> scott -- >> because they're responding to -- >> i want to hear from all of you. it's all important. but finish your point, paul. >> corporate america responds to the market. and the market says they want this. i believe in markets. i'm not a socialist guy.

you may be. but this is what the market -- >> you can respond to that. >> that was better than the political market because they have things in the politics like the supreme court. they have the inbalance of representation in the senate. so, political markets are right now dysfunctional. thank god economic markets are not. and that's all they're doing is trying to maximize profit. >> if paul keeps saying out loud he's not a socialist, they're not going to let him into the next democratic national convention. that's number one. number two, here's the deal. to me, this is the new left wing way to get things done. the reason the government is not doing it is because the people who want this can't convince the congress to do it. >> that is nonsense. >> i let you talk. let me talk. >> okay. >> you can't convince the congress to pay off student debt, go convince -- ah ah ah. >> i want to hear you. >> you get mad about what the supreme court is or is going to do. go riot out in front of their house. this is the new way to do it. the politics of intimidation and

bullying. and now they've bullied these credit card companies into doing this. and all we're going to end up doing is fighting about what is a suspicious purchase and they're going to end up inundating police precincts with thousands of pages of people like me who went to the gun range to shoot my .38 special. >> i appreciate your passion, brother. but i spent my entire career prior to this one in law enforcement. if someone rents a big u haul truck and a lot of fertilizer, they are going to be flagged for making a suspicious purchase for a terrorist act. you can do that same framework -- i'm just speaking as a matter of law enforce. . you can do that for mass shootings, strong purchases, and serious firearm crimesment i'm not talking about lawful citizens. >> it's people sitting in the pr office at the credit card company.

in their view of what's suspicious and what mine is vastly different things. >> there's not a guy at a laptop watching and deciding -- >> who is then? >> it's an algorithm. >> oh, that'll help us. >> well -- >> that was my thought. >> it's corporations. they're doing it because the market wants it. the political market can't contact because you guys have broken it. but so now the corporate market is acting. that's why they're doing this. >> don't worry. >> take it up with hundred of millions of americans who want some sensible, common sense prevention to keep some animal from shooting up a night club. >> he's not a socialist and he loves markets. you can come to the gop convention. >> on that, no soup for any of you right now. the beauty of this conversation, you guys realize that all that's really happened is there is now a code. none of this has happened yet. but this is where we're going with this conversation all across the country. paul begala. and paul has an invitation to

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college admissions. jeff, i'm so glad you're here. first of all, is he right? is the ranking system a joke? >> well, the rankings basically confirm what we already think of higher education. we already think the ivy leagues are higher institutions. it measures imports. it measures students coming in the door, not the students going out the door. what i want to know is do these kids get jobs. do they lead good lives? that's what i want to know out of the rankings. >> so, what are they measuring? >> they're really measuring how much they spend on faculty salaries, how many faculty members per student there are. do faculty members have phds. by the way, two of the things columbia got in trouble about. they'r e

there was, columbia. it's an ivy league school which probably should ranked the top ten. that's part of the problem the ranking. it really confirms that schools that we think are close to the top. >> a fellow prophesy. >> i'm asking you. colombia can't be the only one to have, maybe, fudge the numbers. i don't mean that every school does that. but just based on what you described, self reporting. as a prosecutor, not really into the trust system. >> no. even if you have to come u.s. news also relies on u.s. government data. so, a lot of these numbers could be wrong. i don't think those institutions are misleading people by putting more numbers. there's more mistakes being made. but there other schools over

the years. columbia's death in the most prestigious that has been caught doing this. >> the prestige notion of. it speaks volumes about her education in general. i mean, the idea -- the factors that you talk about after that degree. it is a larger political discussion about the value being put on higher education. >> also, the schools of the top are tiny. you basically the top 20 universities in the world report rankings educate maybe 150,000 undergraduate. out of 15, 14 million undergraduates across the country. so, they are so tiny. but they take up so much of our time. i do right now. >> a really important conversation. jeff sligo, thank you so much. listen, we'll be right back in just a moment. more touch ups! secret had ph balancing miminerals; and it helps eliminate odor, instead of just masking it. so pull it in close. secret works. we're carvana we created a brand new way for you to sell your car

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don lemon tonight, next on cnn. >> thanks for watching. i'll be back tomorrow night. don lemon tonight starts right now. he is live from london. hey don lemon. >> hi laura. it is interesting that i'm here as this is all going down. but i saw your conversation at the top of the show, about

whether the future of the monarch, so to speak. we're even speak about that hair as well. but i think there is more interest in that. or talk about that in the states. since we don't come from a monarchy. and trying to understand why all the pomp and circumstance. why there is a queen. why there is a king? it is something that is foreign to most americans even if you're interested in the job of it all. >> i will tell you what. i've been fast and with the coverage at you and everyone has been doing. because, although it may be that is for him politically to us we are the the descendants, politically speaking, of a monarchy. and the idea for the carter to our constitution. if you are history fan of any kind. you've got to look and see what is happening. really, this is a woman who is forced to be reckoned with in terms of the moment she had in the long tenure on the throne. that, really she seemed so much, i just wish we had more personal insight about the things that she really thought

about. >> if you think about 1952, right? if you think about all of it. the colonial isaih shun of this country. when you think about the civil rights movement. when you think about nelson mandela, south africa. we think about 9/11, i set up at night. because i've had this adrenaline when i get home. i just spoke to the channels here and watch every single child has a documentary about her. and all of these pictures and stories about her life. and the friends, meaning prince philip, prince charles, and on and on the lawn. and meeting with every dignitary in the world over the last 70 years. it is just historic, the life she has led. the people she's met. and what she had seen. >> it is so true. just think about that. imagine if you will, that we have one constant force. a person who can advise, give council, and warren who is in th