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it is a somber night here in london. earlier, queen elizabeth made her final journey to buckingham palace. tomorrow, the royal family will travel with her coffin in silent procession to westminster hall at the houses of parliament. the queen will lie in state there until her funeral on monday. joining me and the rest of the cnn team for special coverage tomorrow morning starting at 8:00 eastern. the news continues. i want to hand over to lauren coates and "cnn tonight." laura? >> anderson, thank you so much. we're looking forward to more of that coverage, as well. this is "cnn tonight." and frankly, everyone, that's a wrap, as they call. it the 2022 primary season is now over as of tonight. the final polls now closed in the final states until their ballots from january's november election. now just eight weeks away. can you believe it? we have new hampshire, rhode island, delaware, the last to hold their primary contests, but even the smallest states in
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america can have quite a big impact on the balance of power here in washington, d.c. you know, many eyes are on new hampshire and of course, this question. who will take on incumbent democratic senator maggie hasan in the general? will it be don bulldock, who pushed trump's election lies or state senate president chuck morse who was the backing of establishment republicans. we're also closely watching a battle between two trumpers in new hampshire's first congressional district, both matt mowers and carolyn levitt. they both worked in the trump administration. now, levitt actually backs trump's stolen election claims. according to a new analysis from 538, about 60% of americans will have an election denier on the ballot this fall. that's quite a number. and an estimated 118 election deniers in house races and eight election doubters have at least a 95% chance of winning. what a range, first of all, and
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the idea of all of the ways we can essentially have a synonymous way of thinking about not believing in the integrity of our elections. the spectrum of deniers, doubters, all of this telling you a lot about the democracy that we live in today. now, despite all the investigations swirling around trump, the growing classified document scandal, which we have new developments on tonight, and the january 6th hearings in congress, well, they're about to ramp up again. donald trump, he remains, in spite of all of that, undeniably a very powerful force in the gop. and don't take my word for it. the numbers actually prove it. i mean, his election success rate so far this year alone, around 89% of trump-backed candidates have actually won their primaries. that's down a little from 96% in 2020, but it's also up from 2018, when his candidates won 88% of their contests. republicans do face an energized electorate on the democratic side.
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of course, in the wake of roe v. wade being overturned. so, it's quite the timing for, of course, republican senator lindsey graham to have an abortion bill proposal like this to today. >> i think we should have a law at the federal level that would say, after 15 weeks, no abortion on demand, except in cases of rape, incest, to save the life of the mother. if we take back the house and the senate, i can assure you we'll have a vote on our bill. >> i wonder how other republicans and democrats were saying about that? some are saying that he just handed democrats a great campaign ad and a talking point. the democratic leader of the senate, well, is already pouncing. >> what are democrats doing? talking about new jobs, cheaper costs. what are the maga republicans doing? a nationwide abortion ban.
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>> senator graham says that he can, quote, assure a vote to restrict abortions on the federal level if republicans win control of congress once again. but you know who wouldn't actually confirm that particular point? the senate's top republican >> in terms of scheduling, i think most of the members of my conference prefer that this be dealt with at state level. >> by "most of" and "prefer," i'm sure that's a little bit of a code going on right there. graham may argue the following about this bill -- >> i don't think this is going to hurt us. >> but clearly many in his party disagree with the general election just so close. there hasn't been anything close to a united show of support with abortion rights a lightning rod issue impacting the votes. let's take it down around the table to cnn's political commentator, david swerdlick and
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scott jennings and wisconsin democratic congressman, mike pocan. i'm so glad you're all here today. first of all, let's start with the elephant in the room. the elephant is the gop, of course. and i do wonder why is senator lindsey graham talking about this? i mean, there are points that the republicans want to raise about joe biden, the president of the united states, about democrats, about numbers that are not that favorable. why do you think he decided that today was the day, this was the time. anyone want to read his mind? >> yeah, senator graham, he wants to burn his conservative credentials. i think he also thinks he's making some vulnerable senate democrats take a tough vote. the problem for him is that senator mcconnell, your former boss, i believe, right, senator mcconnell said quietly what is screaming loudly from this bill, which is that you can either be for states' rights or you can be for this bill but you can't be for both.
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the issue for so long was about states' rights and not having roe be a blanket ruling for the country. that wouldn't be the case if this was the law. >> and laet talked about returning to the states. it wasn't that he wanted to punt to the stfederal government, he wanted it to be a state issue. >> for democrats, this is an issue, as you said, laura, senator shaheen, the democratic senator from new hampshire, who isn't on the ballot today, tweeted about it a couple of hours ago. saying bring it on. if this is the issue that republicans want to fight over, we'll fight over this issue. >> should we bring it on? >> yeah, and i want them to keep talking about social security. they want to put it on the chopping block every five years. that's going to help us in november. and i want them to do every extremist maga viewpoint that donald trump has, because right now, we're on a roll. we have a number of bills that we've passed that we can talk about, we're reducing the costs on health care and energy, gas has gone down by the end of the month. it might get less than $3 a gallon.
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we've got some good tail winds right now. i would encourage them to talk about every extremist position that only satisfies the republican primary voter as much as they want to. that's exactly what we need. >> you agree wofbl, right? scott? completely. nothing to say about that? >> i woke up this morning quite excited to talk about inflation, it was a terrible report today and now we're talking about abortion tonight. >> excited because, of course, you think it would be harmful for biden? >> look, i wanted to see the nu numbers. the congressman here and the rest of the democrats voted for something called the reduction act. i thought we might be talking about that, but here's what i think about it. number one, the underpinning of your argument is that there are 60 votes for everything in the u.s. senate. and there isn't. there weren't 60 votes for chuck schumer's messaging bill in the spring. and there wouldn't be 60 votes for lindsey graham's vote. what you have here is a democrat and a republican putting out messaging bills. and the republican message on this bill is something that candidly is not unpopular.
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15 weeks and the exceptions for rape, life of the mother, and incest. it's not unlike what they have in europe. and it's pretty -- stit's a prey standard republican position for the last decades. what chuck schumer said on the floor is a lie. they're trying to position it as a total national ban. that's not true. what graham laid out today were principles that most republicans and frankly a majority of voters, if you look at several national polls, would agree with. 15 weeks is fine, the exceptions are good. the democrat position is extreme and unpopular. abortion on demand anytime, all you want. >> congresswoman -- i just heard the republican endorsing what lindsey graham did today. i'm glad. i think they should keep these proposals up. what the american people found out is after all the efforts to stack this supreme court with some conservative extremists, they went afro. they said they were going to do it. 50 years later, they got it done. we've got to believe them at their word. they're going to ban abortion if they get in charge. they're going to put social security on the chopping block if they're in charge.
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this is their agenda. and contrast it with what the democrats are doing right now. we've done a lot around efforts in creating jobs, trying to lower costs out of the worldwide inflation. but, i'm happy with our contrasting, our agenda, what we've actually done with what they say they're going to do, because those extremist positions don't play with independents and moderates. >> let me ask you -- >> i want to know what limits you're for. what limits on abortion could you support? >> we want to keep the current law. >> would you have voted for the schumer bill? >> what the bottom line is is the american people are smarter than what you're trying to do and linsey graham and others -- >> excuse me, excuse me. i would like him to answer the question. because you did ask one. your answer is -- >> i want to go back to exactly where we were for 50 years since roe in this country. we want to codify roe and get
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that done. the american people support that proposal. >> so no limits? >> the proposal we've had in this country for 50 years. >> what limits? do you believe there should be a time limit -- >> i don't know how much more clear i could be -- >> don't worry, merrick garland has the same concern with people trying to ask him questions over and over again. i think your point, if you're talking about the law of the land being roe, there was the trimester frame work, the notion of limitations that have inherent in that balance of power between states rights and individual people. so when i hear -- but it's interesting. here we are, a day where frankly we could be talking about, if you were a republican and supportive of it, inflation. you could be talking about the numbers, but because of what senator lindsey graham has done, that's not the conversation. that's his point. >> and the only thing i was going to add to what you said, scott, a minute ago, to your appoint, laura, the fact that you don't have 60 votes and that this would only be a cloture vote and not a vote on final
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passage shows that it's about trying to make people take a tough vote and not actually trying to get to some kind of consensus on whether it should be 15 weeks or 20 weeks or something like europe. that is what democrats are going to exploit. >> actually, right now, i'll give the audience time to go in their directions and look up the word cloture for a second. everyone, stick around. tonight, there is more nf information, revealing what led to a search of donald trump's home as well. there is also news on the justice department's sprawling investigation. it's spelled cloture. enjoy. we'll help you create a c, personalized plan for cash flow, even w when you're not workin. one that includes s your 401() and all your other accounts. so you can make informed decisions that best fit your life ahead. a plan designed to help you make your money last so you can go from saving... to living. that's the planning effect. from fidelity.
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this in an effort that now has many in trump's orbit very concerned about maybe being caught up in a federal investigation. and i'm just being kind when i say the word "maybe." that reporting comes from cnn correspondent evan perez who is here with me now with miles taylor, the former chief of staff to trump's homeland security secretary and evelyn is here as well. you've been talking to sources forever. i don't even know when you sleep. >> i don't. >> there you go! wonderful. what are you learning now about all of these subpoenas. it's got to have some knees shaking. >> it has to. what the prosecutors seem to be working at, looking at the subpoenas, the language in the subpoenas, the list of people that they're talking about, the entities that they're looking into, what it tells us is that they're trying to connect the dots and a lot of it has to do with the money. the money that was being fund raiseded for the rallies, that was connected to some of the violence that happened before
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and on january 6th. the fund-raising for the save america pac, which is the big money-raising vehicle that the former president has used since the election. there is the fund-raising for trying to get and whether people were being paid to push the idea that there was fraud and to organize these electors that were supposed to help keep the former president in office, even though he had lost the election. so the underpinning of all of this is following the money, which is something that we had heard the justice department was going to do and clearly is now being done. and look, the broadness of this is what has stunned people, because they clearly are picking up on every single person who was connected to this effort. >> on the one hand, you hear "broad," and you, they're trying to cover all their bases. but then a talking point will come up like, this must be a fishing expedition. >> in order to execute a search warrant on boris epshteyn's
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phone, former trump agent. i a judge has found there's probable cause, it's more likely than not that a crime was committed and that he and -- it has been established that there's evidence on that phone. >> it has to be -- it has to be clear and narrow. >> you can't just say, you know what, i want to get your phone, let's just send out letters to 30 people and have them send their telephones in. and that's the way evidence gathering works. there is sob basis that has to be established by a court. and in fact, if there isn't a basis for it, if you get to trial, it gets thrown out anyway. because you can't build a trial on fishing expeditions. this idea you hear that it's all a fishing expedition, you have checks to make sure that doesn't happen. >> but you want to be broad enough to cover the different things you're investigating. if you're talking about the idea of documents or the idea of what led up to january 6th as a premise, as a proposition, you've got to go quite broad. when you hear the idea of looking at fund-raising, i think money, i think a lot of hands
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have touched it. is this broader than you think we all expect it to be? >> it looks like the justice department is coming back to what this was at the beginning, which was a very broad, multi-month, multi-pronged conspiracy to overturn an election. of course it's going to be broad. of course it's going to involve lots of people, lots of cell phones. i think we've only still scratched the surface of it. each of these targets is probably going to lead to more targets, more people, more conversations as the justice department gets the full picture. now, for years, we've been talking about people in trump's orbit who kind of roll their eyes every time there's a new investigation into trump. now those same people are rolling into a ball, because they're getting pulled into the investigation with subpoenas and, you know, evan just hit on part of it, but think about the whole picture right now that's enveloping these people. you've got the manhattan d.a. who's looking into the trump organization, you've got the new
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york attorney general who i think is also looking into the organization in a civil probe. you've got the election probe in georgia, the doj mar-a-lago classified documents probe. and separately at doj, we thought we've seen investigations into fraudulent money related to the election and trump, fraudulent ballots. >> this is why evan perez can't sleep. are you having an insome niac reaction to this right now? >> now they're rolling into what appears to be one megainvestigation -- >> a megamaga investigation. >> but the other thing about money as evidence, for the most part, unless things get really shady, you're not dealing in suitcases of cash. what you are dealing with a bank transactions, bank records and so on, and they can be traced and tracked. you can find out who's receiving money, who's sending money. and that's very valuable evidence. it doesn't lie. it's not like someone's testimony -- >> there's a paper trail. >> speaking of paper trails, today, the judge released even more of that previously redacted
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mar-a-lago affidavit and discussion point about what happened down there. what's the latest km >> we know a lot of this was matching up to what we heard in some of the litigation over the special master. but what we saw in this document, you know, is some of the markings that came from the 38 documents that they got back in june. it gives you a sense that, you know, this is why there was so much alarm when they came back with those documents and why they decided they needed to go back in to do this very extraordinary search at mar-a-lago last month. >> and we also can't even be sure that this is the end of it. i don't want to start conspiracy theories here, but the national archives and records administration has now said they're not entirely sure they have all of the documents. and again, caveat here, i don't know if this is anything to look into, but we've had people sleuthing on the web that have shown while in may when donald trump was asked, do you have
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anymore documents, a few days later he flew out of bedminster and people saw them loading cardboard boxes on to the plane? could they have innocuous things in there, stuffed animals? maybe. but it seemed a little bit fishy. and i fully suspect the justice department is looking at other locations that the ex-president may have taken documents. the fact that they're not confident makes me not confident. and he had a whole bunch of empty folders that said they held confidential information and they had nothing. >> i had very questions if there was a teddy ruxspin. >> or maybe games tiddl tiddlywinks. >> and i'm getting clowned for teddy ruxspin. i had one. he was incredible. there's also incredible news in ukraine's fight for freedom. nearly seven months into the war, ukraine has russians on the run, retaking parts of occupied territory in what can only be
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in the wake of ukraine's stunning advance in northeastern
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ukraine, the pentagon now reports a number of russian forces are retreating and crossing back into russia from the kharkiv region. this time lapse shows the enormous gains ukrainian troops have made over just the last ten days. the ukrainian president says that it amounts to 2,300 square miles of land. about a tenth of the nation's landmass. cnn was the first news organization to enter one of the reclaimed cities just this past saturday. and it bore witness to the destruction that was left behind. talking boxes of abandoned russian equipment and tanks that are now in ukraine possession. but is this a turning point in the war overall? well, the white house expressed some cautious optimism >> i think what you're seeing is certainly a shift in momentum by the ukrainian armed forces, particularly in the north. i would let president zelenskyy determine and decide whether he feels militarily that they've reached a turning point, but
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clearly, at least in the donbas, the -- there's a sense of momentum here by the ukrainian armed forces. so what we're going to do is continue to support them, as best we can. >> well, joining me tonight is a ukrainian journalist and the former salesperson for president zelenskyy, yulia mendel. and i'm curious, yulia, first of all, welcome. but you heard the person just speaking and talking about the idea of whether a turnaround was the right terminology to use. what do you make of these successes we're hearing about now, particularly given the context of where we have been over more than six months. >> well, thank you for having me. and of course, the recent developments are a celebration for all ukrainians. because we have almost returned all the kharkiv region, which is the northeastern region, and we are advancing to donbas.
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except this, we saw that there are already settlements that are liberated at my home region, which is in the south of ukraine, which is the kherson region. so, of course, ukrainians are celebrating, but it doesn't mean that the war is over. and the recent information that came from the vice prime minister of ukraine that is responsible for integration in ukraine says that there were already attempts from a russian leadership official and non-official, after this counteroffensive by ukrainians to try to negotiate. but in my book, "the fight of our lives," i'm explaining actually how russians were negotiating the peace with ukraine for eight years and how they failed and instead of achieving peace, they started this large-scale war. so ukrainians are very cautious about these fragile diplomatic attempts of russia, and they want to show the strengths to putin, because this is the only thing that putin understands. and to regain more territories.
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as far as i know, president zelenskyy stands now on the position that was already fixed on the security guarantees to return the whole territory of ukraine, taken by russia. >> so, when you think about that and the idea of how you are able to define or think about what success would look like for russia versus, of course, ukraine, i wonder what you attribute and what the leadership of ukraine attributes to some of the gains they've had. there's been a lot of support and aid from our american military system, other nations, as well. but there certainly has been more that has been deeded. there's still a lot more to do, to accomplish. this has been a huge undertaking. and it really is a battle for their democracy. what do you attribute to the success so far? >> i'm sure that every ukraine feels that american people are friends and they trust really that american people, we stand with ukrainians until the very end. because we both share the value of freedom. we understand it, as a
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fundamental value for our people. but, in fact, there is only one response to the question, when should the help to ukraine finish. and the answer is, the help should finish when russia finishes its cruel war against ukraine. because russia keeps still sending missiles, killing ukrainians, maintaining engine sid genocidal practices and there is no other way than just kicking out them from my country and this will be already the partial victory for ukraine. the second step, of course, is to rebuild the country so the biggest democracy can thrive. >> you write about in your book the fight of our lives, the role you personally had as a woman in what has often been a very male-dominated field, in ukraine in particular, in government, and of course, your role. and there is a group that i cannot overlook, obviously, as a woman myself.
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and that is about the women who are taking such an extraordinary role in this fight for the democracy and the fight for the battle in ukraine. and there's even a "new york times" article and highlighted this particular area talking about war brings ukraine's women new roles and new dangeros. talk to me a little bit about how much the role of women has transformed during this invasion. >> well, you are absolutely right. women are holding the front line, literally, fighting with russians, but also, they are holding the rail. i am also meeting a lot of females who return to be fighters, who took rifles and went to the battle field, and they are doing really great shoulder-to-shoulder with male, but also, females have taken this direction of humanitarian coordination aide. they are bringing the cars and ambulances from about and they are helping with everything that
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is needed. and one of the particular roles, which is for me very amazing, that so many females were pregnant, standing -- staying during the war in the country and were delivering kids in bomb shelters. this is some role that is really very difficult to imagine, but they were doing this to keep their kids safe, to deliver safely, you know. and now, this young mothers, they actually experience this motherhood through the war. i think this is an amazing experience, and i feel these females are also heroes. so females are actually holding stronger in ukraine and we are as proud with them as with every male on our front lines. >> so important to hear this. and thank you for being a part of our show today. the book you wrote, it's incredible to hear about your unique perspective and what we're seeing on the ground. i know there's a long way to go. thank you, yulia mendel.
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>> thank you for having me. well, in this country, the next major economic crisis may be heading down the tracks, so to speak. a look at the potential freight rail strike that could mean something for your wallet, for store shelves, and president biden's efforts to keep democrats in control of congress. plus, the impacts already being felt all across this country. we'll talk about it, next. our ty calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds we'll come to you pay you on the spot then pick up your car that's i it at carvavana ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ "shake your thang" by st n pepa we are the first generation of patients who get to redefine what it means. what should it look like, and what can we be as a community of women?
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friday looms as a potential economic time bomb. you know, we could just be days away from the first major rail strike in this country in 30 years. and we're already seeing an impact with amtrak canceling some of its routes. but if there is a strike, we're all going to feel that strike. it would already mean high prices getting even worse, especially when it comes to feeding your family. just today, new data shows prices climbing again in august. high grocery costs driving a very big part of that. and it's a bad situation poised to get even worse. no option exists that can handle the almost 30% of goods that are shipped on our trains. when it comes to food, we're talking about 20% of the grain shipped that way. so if the trains stop running, it will be impossible to keep the grocery shelves full. when you factor in a national
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shortage of truck drivers, there's actually not a good backup for things from coal to, well, everything else being shipped, even to crude oil, to steel, to lumber or car parts. we're talking about a potential economic impact of close to $2 billion, with a "b," billion dollars a day. so even if the president celebrates passing the inflation reduction act, his administration is urgently right to avoid the strike i'm talking about. from department of transportation to labor and the pentagon, fema in it, hhs and energy are all trying to come up with contingencies. the president himself is famously the guy who took the train to work for years. even when he left washington, he took the amtrak at the end of the obama administration. remember that? and he campaigned hard on being on the side of labor. >> i promise to be the most pro-union president in american history.
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>> the most pro-union president in american history. >> the most pro-union president. >> the most pro-union president you have ever seen. >> i promised you that i would be the most pro-union president. >> well, i wonder if that will last at the end of the week. the reality is that president biden has already done all that he legally can do. in july, he set up an emergency board to mediate the dispute. that's how we got the so-called cooling off period that's going to end this friday. and at this point, the two sides either agree to keep talking or there's a strike. or, or congress could step in. the railway labor act gives congress -- and by the way, only congress -- the power to keep those trains moving. and we just so happen to have a member of congress who is on the labor committee here at the table. i'm glad you're here, talking about these issues in particular, because, look, when you think about it, first of all, many people might not realize, congressman, that this strike, potentially, is going to impact all of our lives. the numbers are already there.
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tell me, do you anticipate that congress is going to step in, in some way, if this actually comes to that this friday? >> yeah, i don't think so. i think what you often find in these cases, this happened where i came from in madison, wisconsin. sciu and the uw health reached an agreement the morning of the start of a strike date. often you need deadlines, just like congress gave deadlines to get both parties to put their best offer. in this case, there's two unions left that don't have agreements. it's over unpaid time off or sick. not even sick pay, just unpaid time. and the companies have rolled back staffing over the last several years and made it really tough. these are two-hour shifts and you're on call at any given time. i think unions are at a 60-year high right now. i'm a union member three decades. international union, painter and allied trades. i think if people understand that workers have not been getting their -- the right efforts to get what they really deserve for a long time out of the trump era, we watch all of these rollbacks of the national
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labor relations board, other rules. people support workers, and there is international inflation, there's no question across the globe, at the same time, we want workers to be treated fairly, and i think at the end of the day, there will be resolution to this. i don't think you need congress to step in, but i'm glad to see organizing with starbucks workers, with amazon workers, with rei, with all of these other areas that haven't been organized before. this is a moment for workers to have their voices be heard about their working conditions, their safety conditions, and their pay and benefits. and i support the rail road workers right now. >> i think you're right, theoretically, of course. everyone wants to support those who ought to have fair labor, fair conditions, and fair work environments. at the same token, let's just be truthful. we have a bit of a selfish mentality at times in this country when it comes to, look, can i really compartmentalize, if it's going to make me spend more in the end. do you think, scott, american
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voters will align with that thought? >> if train stops run, it's everything from food, goods, like the chlorine they like to treat the water at the water treatment plants, that moves by rail. a lot of people take the amtrak every day. the implications of this will be felt in every community in america. and so, no, i don't think americans are going the like that, because they're already suffering there massive 40-year-high inflation. they just suffered through a summer of very high gas prices. you still go into towns in america where there's labor shortages. people can't find enough workers to keep restaurants and coffee shops open in different places. i think the american people have been stretched to the brink and you throw a railroad strike on top of it? you say the companies aren't making a good offer, then why did most of the unions already agree you have two holdouts here. first of all, i think the congress could and should act, because it could a national security issue. but the president here, the guy who says he's the union president, i hope he is picking up the phone and telling these holdout unions, you aren't going to strike.
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you can't do this to this country, for his own political health. >> senator dick durbin said, i don't think it's likely we're going to intervene. the house majority leader, steny hoyer says that congress would pass legislation if needed. there's a little bit of a distinction on what might happen, but do you think this -- on the other hand, scott talked about maybe the pessimism around it, but you know what, on the other hand, it's not as if the union members are not themselves, americans, and voters, not themselves, taxpayers, thinking about their own rights. is that discounting them? >> no, and i'm not sure how this gets solved. to scott's point, i think these two unions are still holding out out of the 12 because they have the leverage right now. they know that president biden can't afford a railroad strike. to the congressman's point, i think that a deadline will help a strike or a threat of a strike can be an opportunity for a president. let's think way, way, way back to president reagan breaking the air traffic controller strike. i don't think this is the same situation. it might be the inverse. to me, it seems a little bit like president biden might just
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have to find a way to get these companies to move a little bit towards the unions. make a deal, just one more quick point that i was going to say was, it's what the biden administration can't afford to do, congressman, is they can't afford to wait. if there's going to be a vote in congress, if the leadership is going to force something with the railroad act, if the president is going to put his thumb on the scale, they've got to do it by friday. >> tomorrow morning, the white house is already with secretary walsh convening the parties. a strike is go for no one. not good for the workers, for the american people. but mistreating workers is something that we have to stand up for. and i think everyone understands, if you can't even have unpaid time off to be sick, what kind of a job is that? the companies have just gone too far with too many -- the rules have all been in their favor. finally, this is a time period, that's why at a 60-year high, people's opinion are on behalf of workers. i hope the railroad workers get that they deserve. they should. these companies should come to the table. and at the end of the day, i think this will be a done story.
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but more workers in this country will have a little more say in their workplace and that's a very good thing. >> we'll see what happens on friday. nothing like a deadline to make people get to the table. and they are a very important part of our economy, as we've seen. stick around, everyone. we'll have a much very different kind of labor issue ahead. have we heard about this thing called quiet quitting? are you doing it right now at the job that you have these days? maybe at last better alternative, even by adding something to your busy life. we'll talk about that in the conversation, next. to my digestive system. it's pretty calm in here with align probiotic. you see... your gut has good and bad bacteteria. and when you get off balance, you may feel it. the bloating, the gas - but align helps me trust my gut again. plus, its recommended by doctors nearly 2x more than any other probiotic brand. just one a day naturally helps promote a balanced gut. and soothe occasional bloating gas and discomfort. align probiotic. welcome to an align gut.
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and who laughed when i said who is it about. i'm going to go right to you, who is it about, scott? are you quite quitting? holding it in? >> by the way, only gen z could be so myopic to think that they thought they invented slacking off. when we did it, when we did it, we were smart enough not to announce it. look, go to work, do your job, hustle, that's the american dream. that's how you get ahead of in life. you did it, your small business owner, you do that your job, i know for fact you do it. go do it at your job, go hustle. this idea that, the bare minimum america. that makes me sick, to be honest with you. i hate value, bare minimum america. i want an america where everybody hustles and creates a better future for their kids. and they instill that value. that to me is the american dream. this makes me very uncomfortable. >> i'm an 80s baby, so i cannot claim to be gen z. but i will tell you, to think about what the philosophy is,
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it's to say why should i lean in if i do not get the benefits of? it it's kind of what we talked about before, like i hate having to pay social security, by the time i'm that age i'm not going to get anything about it. that's not the right opinion to, have we can all not our heads. but that's really what it's all about. but is it really are a reflection of look, the workforce isn't working for the american worker, the american dream? is that elusive? >> so, i agree with scott that hustling is the better way to go in a long term. if you want to get ahead for yourself, do what you want in your career, provide for your family, so on and so on. but, yes, we came up in a simpler time. it is tougher out there for people in jen the now, who are trying to figure out what the career paths are. it's not just join a union and get a job, or go to college and get a job. and i think that plays into it. i also think the return to work issue plays into it. people like me are fortunate enough to work remotely. there are a lot of people out there who are working in customer facing or client facing positions out there. and over the last two years, it
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is tough. you combine that with the fact that we have low, low, low unemployment. and people know there are other jobs. and i think the tricky balance. >> in fact, there is a poll we have out that refers to people who refer to work on site as offside. let's turn up for people to look at. it's created to say those who prefer pre-pandemic, it was 60% of u.s. adults, preferred to work on site. now, it is 6%. i mean, that, that is a heck of a number. congressman, you cannot really phone it in. >> no. >> no, you can't. >> maybe you do -- [laughs] you've done that. >> this, i agree. this is a change coming out of covid. the other thing we're seeing as an employer is that people are doing short stints at a job. and then after that stint daily. i always look for someone who has got some longevity in the job, because you want to know they've done it. they think that is not valuable. i do think at some point that will change. but i think this is fundamentally part of why we just had the last conversation
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but unions. people are not necessarily getting treated with the respect and dignity they want at their workplace. in some cases that means you organize. in some cases, it means they are doing quite quitting. i do not personally think that is the most effective way. but this is part of maybe that change we are seeing coming back out of covid, hopefully at the end of the day it goes more towards the organizing efforts and not quite quitting. but i do think, you know, employers have had a awful lot of the cars all the jacks, queens, kings, and aces in their hands. and the workers have the twos, threes, and fours. i think you're going to have more efforts to get a voice in your workplace, whether it be quite quitting, or again, utilization is the real answer. >> speaking of jokers, you're smug right now. what's happening? >> yes, you, scott, giving this as a matter of people being's lawful and lazy? or as a matter of, look, why should people, i don't play devils advocate, why should people go above and beyond and get the bare minimum in return? you don't even have a living
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wage issue that's universal. >> i just and we made it too easy to not have a job in this country. and some of it was covid relief, and we've come out of this pandemic. but i think we have made it a little too easy to just not show up for work. and in my view, the better american culture would be to instill the value of showing up for work as a good thing, not a bad thing and showing up and hustling is a good thing. and not something for suckers. and that working is required, and you just can't skate by and life by not working or occasionally working or quitting when you feel like it. that's not how i was brought up. >> the thing is, there are so many opportunities, you can get another job and -- >> you can go out the next hour, not even the next day. i think that is part of why we are seeing about this. it's just very easy to find a job right now. >> well, we'll see. it does not end here. none of you quite put on the set right now. thank you so much. thank you david swerdlick, congressman mark pocan, and scott downing's. we'll be right back.
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hey, thanks for watching everyone. don lemon tonight live from london starts right now. >> hey, don lemon. >> hi, how are you, laura coates. we've got a big day today, big day tomorrow in london. we'll get to. it will see you tomorrow morning. this is don lemon tonight. all right, this is a date for history in the books. it is right here in london. and a day of big developments back home and around the world. a judge releasing new never before seen information from the mar-a-lago affidavit. and we have news out of ukraine, where signs that some of vladimir putin's forces are retreating back into russia. all of that ahead in london. this is the day of the queen's return to buckingham palace. and first on cnn, we're learning that the queens children and their grandchildren had a family dinner at the palace tonight

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