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known. we watched it's hard not to notice how well the calmness of this late hour fits the moment. this is after all a bustling capital and looks and sounds that way during most daylight hours. except earlier today when even some flights into heathrow were suspended and the city fell quiet for the procession from buckingham palace. ♪ >> flanked by guard and cavalry and led by her four children they carried the coffin down the mall toward westminster. it was a remarkable display of ceremony, ritual, history and family. each piece of it, every gesture planned to the heartbeat and done with precision.

>> -- slow. march. ♪ >> inside westminster hall the only spoken words were prayers led by the archbishop of c canterbury. >> and the blessing of god almighty, the father, the son, and the holy spirit be among you and remain with you always.

amen. >> the king staying tonight at his private residence west of the city where he's expected to spend some time on the phone with world leaders. he spoke with president biden today. cnn's clarissa ward has been talking with mourners as they make their way toward westminster hall. she joins us now. clarissa, i know you've been talking with people waiting to see the queen, lying in state all day. what is the scene tonight and what have you been hearing? >> reporter: well, anderson, as you know it's after 1:00 in the morning here now, but the crowds are not showing any sign of slowing down. you can see behind me there's a pretty long line here of people who have been waiting for quite some time although not as bad as some of the estimates had been. in fact, i just talked to this man here. you can tell exactly how long you've been waiting here, can't you? you've timed it exactly. >> i have indeed. 3 hours and 40 minutes. >> reporter: 3 hours and 40 minutes, which actually

considering they were warning people might have to spend the night is not as bad. do you have a sense when you'll be able to get to westminster hall. another couple hours? >> they've been saying about two hours for the last four hours. >> reporter: two hours for the last four hours, okay. what's interesting they've broken it up, anderson, into a series of smaller lines. i want to ask you a question. did you know each other before today? you all met each other in this line? and is that sort of part of the experience here of waiting and sort of participating in this moment in history?

>> that's it. >> wonderful. and you have you come from london? and why was it important to you? >> again, i think it's such history. it's only going to happen -- having had the queen for so long i won't remember anything other than her, so i think it's important to do. >> reporter: it's interesting, anderson, you hear that a lot from people even people who are not necessarily huge supporters of the monarchy per se felt it was important to be out here because the queen is such an important part of the fabric of life for the vast majority of britains. they've only ever known the queen in their lifetime. so many people are wanting to come mark their respects and pay homage really to an extraordinary woman with an extraordinary legacy, anderson. >> clarissa ward, appreciate it.

thank you. back with us tonight is bonnie greer, also ronny hardiman, a columnist and author of the book "queen of our time." the crowd lined up, quietly, solemnenly as they have all day what do you make of what we've seen? >> i've lived here half my life. i've lived not far from here. i've never seen this sort of atmosphere. it's very quiet, but it's also very off. so there's a lot of block aids. you can't hear the planes. i live in the west end. there's always planes. nothing's in the sky. it's very dark. you go everywhere and there's security guards, very quiet, very polite but it's very, very sort of sequestered, and this crowd is not making a sound. i've never been around so many people who weren't speaking.

so it's enormous. if you want to make this a piece of theater i don't know if you can even do it because it's just huge amounts of people and there is no sound at all. >> that was really noticeable to me buckingham palace, when the hearse was coming by, it was scattered applause. the silence and the weight of it is rather extraordinary. >> it is. and at the moment no one is quite sure what is the correct way of mourning this monarch. i think we'd all like the sort of approved -- most people today watched the procession in silence, but it is a very straight atmosphere. i come back to the reaction of diana and 25 years ago, and you

were here for that, anderson. that was different. there was a real sense of anger and shock. this is a sense of profound loss, and at the moment everyone has been very correct and very respectful, and it does feel like we're in a very -- and we saw this wonderful scene at westminster. i was in there a couple hours ago watching the scene and it is amazing. >> it's interesting you bring up diana because i was here, and i was in the crowd. people were angry, and there were people making -- there were catholics literally making the sign of the cross vividly in front of her, the mound of flowers. you didn't know when charles was walking down that procession exactly what was going to happen. >> there was anger. i was out in the crowd wandering around -- >> this is very quiet. >> i couldn't help but think about it completely different

crowds, completely different circumstances. but to see harry and william walking once again side by side, different circumstances, it wasn't necessarily their choice so much or at least harry has spoken since about the sort of trauma he experienced, the pain of a child that age walking through a city and millions of people like that, this obviously they wanted to be there today and pay their respects. >> people calling out his mother's name, people who didn't know his mother and he's walking behind them. he's got to listen. he's got to stand tall. this time what struck me very moving he's not in uniform because he's retired from the family. he's got his medals on, and he's walking next to his brother who has -- going to be carrying a heavy responsibility because his dad's reign is not going to be as long as his grandmother's. you can see the weight of that

history and possibility and you can see his brothers again. >> i think it's important we saw the brothers side by side. it is an extraordinary thing. actually that's the third time they marched that route because both of the brothers were there for the queen mother 20 years ago. i was thinking the memories coming back -- the family gathered at an extraordinary funeral at windsor castle for prince philip. so, you know, these events are -- they are sort of punctuation marks in all our lives in this country. i think we all feel this one particularly. we have known no other. you have to be over 80 to remember the mother monarch. >> well over 80. >> for all the obvious split that has occurred between harry and william, it is a choice made i assume initially by the queen who approved all these plans and reaffirmed obviously by king charles to have harry and meghan

so prominent on the way to -- to westminster hall, the vehicle that she was in, the position they were given i'm told, all of that was perhaps a message of trying to reach out. >> i think for me, anyway, i think we need to give a shoutout to princess anne. she's doing something no woman has done before. she participated in the vigil of the princes. no woman is in that vigil. she walked in the front line with her brother. no woman is -- the royal ladies including meghan were being driven. and the princess royal was right in the front. and i think she's given a lot of us women a really strong example how to be in this. she's completely involved. she is walking as a woman, as a person, and i think a lot of people have warmed to her. i think she's becoming to use a horrible term a break out star

in all this. >> she was there when her mother died. we don't know if she was in the room. >> she was there. she was very close to her mother, around her every day. as the only daughter she had that sort of relationship. and she's a fascinating woman, the princess. and i interviewed her several times for her 70th birthday. i was making a film about her. she's got a tiny opration at the palace. she doesn't really like motorcades and big stuff. she doesn't like lunch, actually. she can go through a whole day on a kiwi fruit, that's her secret. and she's the one who broke the news to everyone, you need to come up here fast. it was magnificent in scotland she's the one who accompanied her mother on that extraordinary journey across the highlands and flew back with the coffin last night. she's been a big star. >> her kids aren't royal, she

refused titles for them. all of this, and she suddenly looks like something that's very strong about this country. and not only her mother but something about this country has been very moving for me. >> you said in the past, the royal family are the last silent film stars. >> absolutely. >> can you explain what that means? >> we, most of us -- well, most people project on this family. most people will never meet them, will never be near them, will never talk to them. yet what the royal family does and they do it consciously is to become this sort of vessels in which people project on them. so a lot of these people who are out here they would also talk to you about the queen, but they also talk about their family or something that happened to them. >> somebody echoed that a little bit earlier. when watching people coming to see the queen's coffin part of the mourning is not just for the

queen. it's memories as they had of their grandmother watching something the grandmother said about watching with their mother. >> absolutely. >> she was a wartime generation. she represents grandmothers. she represents -- i mean, there are so many ways she touches peoples lives. interesting when you say that, bonnie. one thing that struck me is did you meet the queen, did you see her? of course people didn't meet her. they couldn't. it's amazing how many people if not her have seen a member of the royal family. the royal family because day after day over a much longer period than any politician, they -- they just invested in the sort of fabric of british life. and i always say to people have you seen them, and i go who's your member of parliament? >> i've met the queen, and i've met theci. and these people they're trained. they know exactly how to look at

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taken back remarkably from the russians? >> reporter: as you said, anderson, it was a solemn ceremony when it was there to raise the ukrainian flag over izium. but he expressed shock -- shock at what he saw. some ukrainian officials are saying that as many as 1,000 people were killed in that city during the russian occupation. now, at this point ukrainians say they've retaken about 6,000 square kilometers. that's 2,300 square miles from the russians just in the last two weeks. and his presence there is pretty impressive. he was only about 9 miles from what is still a very active russian front. and certainly for many people here they contrasted his appearance embracing the soldiers, the civilians in that city compared to the images we've seen of president vladimir putin, of russia who rarely goes

out, and when he does meet with people it's usually at the end of a very long table. so this certainly shows that the ukrainians are starting to feel a lot more confident in this war. i think we're day 204 at this point. but certainly the atmosphere has changed dramatically in the last two weeks. anderson? >> yeah, i mean huge cause for celebration. obviously still a lot of fighting ahead. has the ukrainian government given any sense of what their next move is? >> well, officials are indicating that perhaps as far as the kharkiv offensive goes that they may start to slow things down just to secure the territory that they've liberated and perhaps start focusing on the southern front around the city of kherson, so far the

largest city occupied by russians since the 24th of february. obviously that could be a more difficult battle because we understand what are described as elite russian troop have been deployed there in anticipation of a much talked about ukrainian offensive in that area. anderson? >> ben, stay with us. i want to bring in cnn military analyst and retired army general wesley clark, who's the supreme allied nato commander. in your mind is president zelenskyy's trip to this liberated area a sign of leadership. is the risk worth the benefit? >> oh, absolutely the risk was worth it. it is a sign of leadership. and he's played this exactly right from the beginning, anderson. he's a very charismatic guy. he really knows how to represent the people of ukraine, and he's been really effective in using his -- i guess his tv and acting experience to portray the struggle of ukraine to the

world. he's really been a very powerful weapon for ukraine in this conflict. it's why i was a little worried when he saw he was had a traffic accident, because that would have been a great way to do something if it had been a real assassination attempt. he's a huge target for the russians. >> ben, what is the mood like among ukrainians that you talk to in, you know, various places? are they optimistic about what lies ahead? >> certainly the feeling is that a corner has been turned, that this conflict -- you know, they've had surprising victories. for instance, you'll recall was it late march or early april when the russians retreated from around kyiv. but since then the going has been fairly tough.

i was in the donbas region when donetsk fell to the russians, and there was a period during the early and middle summer where there was worry this was becoming sort of a stale -- a bloody stalemate that ukrainian officials were talking about hundreds of soldiers being killed a day, defending territory to the far east of here. now certainly the feeling among many ukrainians is that the russians have not only been fought to a standstill, now they are retreating in disarray, leaving behind hundreds of millions of dollars worth of military equipment, soldiers being captured, the soldiers clearly poorly led, poorly supplied, poorly trained, and

completely incapable of stopping this ukrainian advance. anderson? >> general clark, once there's been a reversal on the battlefield like this or a momentum on the battlefield and coupled with, you know, crushed morale and inefficient supplying of the other army, how hard is it for russian troops to try to reverse that? how hard is it for russian leaders to try to reverse that? or does success breed more success? >> i think success does breed more success. at least in the near-term, anderson, i think it's going to be very difficult for the russians to immediately turn this around. think about this, you've got demoralized soldiers, units missing key personnel, equipment missing. someone has to reorganize all that and mutt pbput it back int. russia is not very good at

logistics, maintaining its equipment. it's lost a lot of leadership at high levels so they may not have the levels to put together leadership quickly. they see their logistics line severed, what's happened in the north, they've got to have real doubts. and so i think it really is a shift in momentum. now, on the ukrainian side you've got to be very careful that you don't outrun your logistics and resupply. you've got a lot of tired soldiers. they need to be resupplied, need a couple good nights rest. the weapons need to be cleaned. there's stuff that's broken, radio communications need to be rechecked and so fort forth, probably going to bring up reserves and bring in some fortifications. so there's a lot of work being done to hold onto this. normally you expect a counter

attack. i'd be surprised if it doesn't happen. got to be prepared for a lot of heavy artillery coming in. >> general wesley clark, i appreciate it. ben wedemen as well. be careful. u.s. politics the latest example of how some of lindsey graham's proposed 15-week abortion ban has opposed a republican split on abortion before the mid-terms. that's aheadad.

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multiple sources tell cnn conservative house republicans meeting behind closed doors today got into a heated debate over a 15-week abortion bill proposed bide senator lindsey graham. less than two months from the mid-term asathize party is scrambling to handle the fall out from the supreme court's decision in june. manue raju has more for us this evening. manu? >> reporter: gop leaders had hoped there'd be just one issue this week their party could rail against. >> the u.s. has a serious inflation problem. >> and inflation continues to choke the american people. >> this is a serious problem. >> reporter: but then came senator lindsey graham who proposed a federal ban on abortions after 15 weeks. he then promised this. >> if we take back the house and the senate i can assure you

we'll have a vote on our bill. >> reporter: top republicans including senate gop leader mitch mcconnell distanced themselves telling cnn -- >> i'm saying most of the members of my conference prefer this be dealt with at the state level. >> reporter: the graham bill undercuts the gop focus to make abargz a states rights issue with republicans in a difficult spot less than two months before the mid-terms. are you supporting this lindsey graham abortion bill? >> every state is probably a little bit different. >> reporter: party leaders insisting it would never have enough votes to become law. >> most of our candidates are going to want to leave it to the states. >> ought a lot of them are run running away from the issue. >> reporter: he says the issue should be left to states like

his own, which has reverted to an 1849 law that outlaws the procedure almost entirely. johnson told cnn today he wants some more exceptions added to a state's law. >> you support the wisconsin 1849 law that bans abortion. >> i support this going out to the states. i support exceptions, but again we'll have this determined by the people. >> reporter: republicans home voters will view the democratic position as extreme since they do not support restrictions even in the third trimester of a pregnancy, a position voiced to cnn by two vulnerable democrats. do you support abortion restrictions in the third trimester? >> again, this is about whether you're going to take rights away from half the population and whether pall yigzs are going to insert themselves into an examining room during very

complicated and tragic and difficult circumstances. >> whether it's a woman making a decision in the first trimester or third trimester, this should be a decision between a woman and her doctor. >> and cnn's manu raju joins us. are republicans in the house planning similar legislation? >> in the immediate aftermath of a roe decision earlier this summer i asked kevin mccarthy if he supports that 15-week ban. he tells me he does. and just this past week house republicans offered their own version of a 15-week ban. in fact, more than 80 republicans in the house signed onto this measure but they are not united on this issue. in fact, behind closed doors today that republican study committee which is a conservative group broke out into a contentious debate over this issue. one congresswoman, marjorie taylor greene, said this did not go far enough and wanted to outlaw the practice. others said it went too far. on the house floor today, anderson, democrats were seizing on this issue one after the

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newly revealed text messages are raising new questions for legendar legendary football great brett favre. cnn's diana gallagher has details. >> reporter: new court documents filed this week include text messages that appear to show mississippi's former governor helping nfl hall of famer brett favre secure millions to build a volleyball facility, money that came from funds meant for needy families in one of the nation's poorest states. a fact that favre's attorney claims the former quarterback did not know at the time. >> brett couldn't have been more honorable. he had no idea when where it came from. >> reporter: the text messages first revealed by mississippi today as part of its years long investigative reporting into the

scandal were entered the state's civil lawsuit on monday by an attorney for the non-profit who has already pleaded guilty to charges related today the overall welfare fund scheme, which the state auditor has called the largest public fraud scheme in mississippi history. also pleaded guilty to charges related to the scheme. court documents show he knowingly transferred public funds intended for needy families for the construction of a volleyball facility. the batch of the texts start in 2017 and appear to show former governor and others working to secure the money to build a volleyball center at favre's al alma mater where his daughter played the sport. court documents showed favre texted nancy new, quote, if you were to pay me is there any way the media can find out where it came from and how much. she responded, no, we've never

had that information being publicized. i understand you being uneasy about that, though. adding the next day just got off the phone with phil bryant. on that same day bryant texted. they texted regular updates on their continued conversations with the governor forwarding each other messages from bryant on the funding status. he's seen it but hint hint you need to reword it to get it accepted. he then forwarded a message allegedly from the governor instructing how to rework the funding proposal. at one point he asked confidential, do you get the impression the governor will help us? favre responded i really feel he's trying to figure out a way to get it down without actually saying it. months later he asked whether

she'd gotten any new programs. she responded in part someone was definitely pulling for us behind the scenes, thank you. neither favre or briant have been charged with anything related to the welfare scheme. in a statement told cnn in part cases should be tried in courts of law where rules of evidence govern and privileges are respected. they should not be tried in the press where innuendo and speculation sometimes get confused with actual facts. mississippi today reporter ana wolf told cnn she began digging on the volleyball funding in 2020 asking both favre and bryant about the project then. >> and brett favre told us he did not discuss the volleyball project with the governor, which is obviously flat out proven to be incorrect by the text messages that we uncovered this week. and the governor also, you know, tried to distance himself from the project, said he didn't know anything about it. >> reporter: this is not the

first time the former quarterback's name has been associated with the scheme. last year he was forced to repay hundreds of thousands of dollars the state auditor said was illegally paid to favre from welfare funds from speeches the auditor claimed favre never gave. he had no knowledge the money he received was misappropriated. >> cnn's diane gallagher joins us. now, this is remarkable. all of this it's a glimpse really at the greater welfare fraud scheme that is being investigated, right? >> reporter: that's right, anderson. there are several different investigations with this massive welfare fraud scheme. six people have already been criminally charged. one of those is nancy new. then the state of mississippi filed civil suit in may against 38 people including brett favre. now, there's also an fbi investigation that is currently ongoing. and look, i do want to point out that the former republican governor, phil bryant, he's not

been charged and also not named as a defendant in any civil suit. but u.s. congressman benny thompson from mississippi did ask the department of justice this summer to investigate bryant and any possible connection to this absolutely incredibly large welfare fraud scheme that has just decimated the needy families in his state. >> yeah, i mean millions of dollars we're talking about. remarkable reporting by people who broke this story, investigated this for years. let's see what the government finds and the investigations finds now. dian diane gallagher, thank you for your reporting. today we saw brothers william and harry step together united in grief. their evevolving relationship next. so i c can wake up refreshed. neuriva think bigger.

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among the many remarkable moments here in london today the sight of the prince of wales and duke of sussex walking in lock step side by side once again after very publicly growing apart. william and harry have been through so much together over the years, this latest death in the family is now a new chapter. cnn's richard quest has more. >> reporter: william and harry marching somberly together behind their grandmother's coffin on wednesday. echoing a painful memory of another tragic time. 25 years ago when the two young brothers united in grief walked heart breakingly behind their mother's casket. their bond seemingly unbreakable. from the time they were little the so-called heir and the spare were always together, whether on royal duty or just horsing

around. >> he's definitely got more brains than me. i think we've established that from school. but i'm much better hands on. >> pretty rich coming from a ginger. >> harry was best man when the future prince of wales married william also serving as best man for his little brother, the two sharing a private, funny moment caught on camera as they waited for his bride, the american actress, meghan markle. but it wasn't long after that that sign of a royal rift appeared to show. whilst on a tour of africa, this eyebrow-raising comment by prince harry revealed much, even though it said little. >> we'll always be brothers, and we're certainly on different paths at the moment. >> in 2020, the duke and duchess of sussex announced their decision to step back as working royals. the inaccident of that fracture

glaringly obvious. prince william then forced to carry alone royal duties that the brothers had been expected to shoulder together. and then there was the tell-all interview with oprah winfrey, from the accusation that catherine, princess of wales, had caused meghan to cry a few days before her wedding. to the more serious allegations of racism in the royal family and the lack of support from those he was once close to. >> the relationship is space at the moment. >> reporter: the airing of the royal dirty laundry rippling leek an earthquake across the atlantic. the normally stoic and quiet future monarch defended his family against the accusations. >> we're very much not a racist family. >> reporter: when their grandfather, prince philip, passed last year, many hoped it would be the catalyst to start the healing process.

it was a hope that seemed to be in vain. now with the passing of their beloved granny, an opening, an opportunity, a surprise joint walk about of the prince and princess of wales and the duke and duchess of sussex in windsor, where they greeted mourners, the first time in years the couple had appeared in public together, later showing an intimate dinner with the rest of the royals on tuesday night at buckingham palace, a sign that perhaps this royal rift might finally be on the mend. >> and richard quest joins us now along with cnn royal historian kate williams. there is so much talk, it's impossible not to see obviously in this very public display, this very personal rift that continues. is there a chance of a new kind of chapter in this? >> i don't know, but i don't think so.

the rift is deep. but you've got to remember we've still got harry's book to come out where he says he's going to tell it in the unvarnished way. you have a cut article interview that meghan did. so, they're still not missing any opportunity to put the boot in, to put it crudely. and if they -- and action you k know, charles said, charles talked about how he loved his son harry and meghan and the life they made for themselves overseas. so, i sort of believe there's an element of charles saying, we love you, but that's your choice. you're now overseas. >> you know, some americans watching this, i've heard people -- i've seen direct messages on instagram saying, oh, you shouldn't be talking about this sort of thing. british people are very focused on this. people in the street just walking -- i just passed by people in the street talking about meghan and harry holding hands and arguing about that.

>> yes, there's so much conversation about meghan and harry and william and kate, and i do think that this is perhaps been from the beginning. as soon as meghan married harry, there was so much conversation. and i think, you know, there was, as we know, some very unfair criticism, things that meghan did that all the other royal women had done, meghan was criticized. that was simply the case. and now we are in a situation really where they often use it as click bait. but certainly in this occasion, i do think we see a unity there. i do think we see a possibility of a unity and perhaps meghan and harry markle will take a role in the operations. she was treated as one of the senior royal ladies by the queen in her plans. >> i think that's an important thing to point out. that's something that would have not only approved by the queen, but approved by king charles. >> i think a lot depends on what the sussex's do next.

how do they play the game? do they continue to beat up on the new -- the monarch? by now, he's beating up on his father. >> so, essentially it was a handout, perhaps, by the royal family to them saying that there is a possible future role for you depending on what happens next. >> right. but there's also a feeling in britain, particularly when it comes to harry -- not so much meghan. you made your bed. lie in it. you made your choices. and i don't know whether that's resentment or animus. i don't think it's either of those. i think it's a question of, you've made a choice. >> it is so extraordinary to -- i was here 25 years ago for the funeral of diana. to remember the children then walking behind that casket, which harry has spoken about as being an incredibly traumatic experience, and to see them there today, you can't help but draw those parallels. >> you were a young reporter, weren't you, anderson.

and to think those days, it was so tragic. i remember the coffin going down with the little card on the coffin from harry. it's impossible not to compare how much the brothers have been through in those intervening years, so much trauma, and sort of difficult time in the aftermath of their mother. and of course it was very sad about the queen, but it wasn't a tragic shock, as diana's death was a tragic shock for two young boys. really, i think it's interesting about harry and meghan's role going forward because they asked to be half in and half out, do royal tours and also earn their money, and the answer was no. i think if the royal family is going to modernize, that is the future for the royals. we cannot have royals that have a job and do other work like they do in the european royalty, that is our future. perhaps that is the way harry and meghan could be incorporated. >> it's gone spectacularly badly wrong every time the royals have tried it so far. i agree with you that is the

future. but every time the royals have got involved in some form of commercial activities, it's always -- there's always a shout of you're selling the name. >> richard quest, thank you so much. kate williams as well, thank you so much for today. much more on the public outpouring of grief and respect here in london, as the late queen lies in state, which comes ahead of her funeral, plus king charles' calls with world leaders today. that's next. some days, it felt like asthma was holding me back. but asthma has taken enough. so i go triple... with trelegy. with 3 medicines in 1 inhaler,... it's the only once-daily treatment for adts that takes triple action against asthma symptoms. trelegy helps make breathing easier,... improves lung function,... and lasts for 24 hours.

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