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let's hand things over to don lemon standing next to me. >> what a fascinating day. >> incredible. >> watching this unfold. there are certain times, certain stories you know you're in the middle of history and this is one as i came over here, i seen the kqueues, the lines of people -- >> even 3:00 a.m. in the morning and the lines still extremely long. >> good to see you. wish it was under better circumstances. >> yeah. >> there is a lot going on in london tonight and we're going to talk about all of it, everything we've seen and heard in the broadcast. first new exclusive cnn reporting. let me get to evan perez. mark meadows i hear responding to a subpoena from the doj. what are you hearing and learning? >> don, look, this is a biga
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mystery during the recent uptick in activity from the justice department is what happened to mark meadows? now we know the answer. the answer is that he has responded. he's complied with a subpoena from the justice department as part of the january 6th investigation. now, this makes him the highest ranking trump official to comply with a subpoena as part of this criminal investigation, and, you know, in addition to him, we also know that ben williamson, one of his aides, a very top aide of mark meadows has also been subpoenaed as part of this big push we recently reported more than 30 subpoenas that went out to people in the trump orbit. with mark meadows, we know he's provided, you know, all of the materials he had given to the january 6th, the house committee that is investigating january 6th. that's thousands of emails and text messages from the period
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that, you know, covers everything from before the election to up to obviously january 20th. so that's an important window into what was going on inside the white house during that key period, don. >> and what exactly will they be looking for, evan, do you know when they look at these new materials? >> well, don, you know, for the fbi, one of the things they want is to get an idea of everything that donald trump was doing in that period. mark meadows was involved in a lot of communications with officials trying to push this idea that there was evidence of vote fraud, things to support the former president's claim that the election was stolen from him. these are things that he was doing not only with officials around in the states but also at the justice department he was sending them some of the conspiracy theories that they believed showed that there was proof of some kind of fraud.
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of course, we now know that none of those turned out to be true. there was no evidence of wide spread fraud but those are the things that the fbi is going to be looking at to see, you know, mark meadows' involvement in that and also could lead them to, you know, ask questions of other witnesses who were again, right on the front lines of what trump was trying to do to try to overturn the election results in 2020. >> so evan, this new development again highlights that the doj seems to be very focused on anything to do with the former president's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. >> yeah, don, look, they're trying to connect the dots and it appears that everything from the fundraising to the effort to seat these fake electors in the states, to try to keep the former president in power, everything is being connected now as part of this investigation. this is, you know, we've heard from the justice department this is the largest investigation in the department's history and
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what you get a sense of from the number of subpoenas that have gone out and of course, reaching up to the very, very top of the white house, you can't get closer than the former chief of staff and former president, it tells you that they are going all guns blazing to try to figure out whether there is any charges to be brought here against everyone who might have been involved in the effort to overturn the election, don. >> all right. evan, stand by. i want to bring in now cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe and ellie and chief political analyst gloria borger. good evening to everyone here. i'll start with you, andrea. i want to get your reaction to the new cnn exclusive reporting that meadows complied with the doj subpoena and he had direct access to trump and his state of mind on january 6th. >> yeah, don, this is the old addage be careful when you poke the lion because he might wake
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up. the lion is now awake and fully on the prowl. we have over 30 subpoenas that that have gone out that we know about in the last week or so and this latest development that we now know mark meadows has come play complied with is really a very interesting development. it also shows you the difference between a congressional subpoena which mark meadows house from the january 6th committee and what he is still fighting and the grand jury subpoena. the grand jury subpoena is a much more serious thing. there is really no dodging a grand jury subpoena. you must produce the records and the materials and documents that have been demanded of you and it seems that mark meadows is doing exactly that. >> i want to play so our viewers can remember what cassidy hutchinson said in her testimony about what mark meadows was doing during the riot.
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listen. >> i remember pat saying something to the effect of mark, we need to do something more. they're literally calling for the vice president to be f-ing hung and mark responded something to the effect of you heard him, pat, he thinks mike deserves it. he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. to which pat said something, this is f-ing crazy. we need to be doing something more. >> would that have been the kind of thing investigators pressed him about? >> oh, without question. without question. they are going to want to know everything that mark meadows saw and heard and conversations he was involved in, his impressions of what was happening in and around the white house and the people who are coming to visit and speak to and talk with the president. now, to be clear, many of those questions he will likely decline to answer as a result of or
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he'll claim executive privilege and that's fine but you have to show up to claim that privilege. you have to sit in front of the grand jury. you have to listen to the questions and invoke the privilege to each and every one that you feel that you shouldn't be answering. so this is going to be a really -- [ inaudible ] >> gloria borger, this is the highest ranking former trump official that we know that has been subpoenaed the in federal investigation. how is this news going to be received in trump's orbit do you think? >> i don't think it will be a huge surprise in trump's orbit because mark meadows was at the center of everything. he was at the center of the effort to overturn the election. one source i spoke to called him trump's enabler. you see how this has gone up the
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food chain here and you've seen 30 subpoenas that and we know the january 6th committee wanted to talk to him. we know he gave them text messages and we refused to comply with the subpoena before congress and it's clear he's regarding a subpoena from the doj very differently. i want to recall for everyone that while he was found in contempt of the congress, the doj declined to prosecute him for that and so now they're coming to him and saying we are handing you our own subpoena and you need to tell us everything you know about january 6th. the other question i have and we don't know the answer to this yet, obviously, is that he was also the person in charge of sort of gathering all the documents for the archives that were to be handed over to the archives when donald trump was leaving office. we know that he's handed more
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documents over to the archives since the search at mara lag bow a -- mar-a-lago and i have to wonder if that eventually will be among other questions he has to answer. >> ellie, i want to get your reaction where this is leading and what this means and for the former president and his assoc associates. >> don, this is potentially a major breakthrough if they play their cards right. mark meadows is one of the or potentially the single most crucial witness in this incident. he was donald trump's chief of staff and by donald trump eastside in the weeks leading up to and during january 6th as we just heard from kcassidy hutchinson. as gloria said, mark meadows was subpoenaed by congress by the january 6th committee and started to comply and turned over texts but then he just stopped and was faced with no consequence whatsoever. now, this is an entirely different ball game. this is a criminal grand jury
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subpoena. evan's reporting is that all meadows turned over so far is the same materials he already turned over to congress. if i'm doj, i'm not settling for half of the stuff, part of the stuff, my subpoena says i want everything, all the stuff you gave to congress and everything else you have. as andy said, he doesn't have much of a way to fight that. doj will probably take him to court if that happens and i suspect doj will prevail. doj is half way there with the subpoena. it's good they got the stuff but they have the power and authority to get it all and we'll see if they have the will to go after it all. >> if mark meadows complied with this subpoena, gloria, does that change the calculous for any of the other members of trump's orbit who received subpoenas that from the doj and whether they should go along with it? >> i think anyone who receives a subpoena from the doj ought to go a long with it and as we've seen, a lot of people are.
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mark meadows is so key as ellie was saying to all of this because he was around donald trump all the time. he was the person donald trump turned to when he said i want to get this done, i want to get that done. he showed up in georgia during, you know, the election investigations there. he was on the phone with the secretary of state and brad raffensperger. so this is a man who is very key to the doj's investigation into fundraising and into fake electors. so there is a lot that they need to cover with mark meadows and the january 6th committee has not got it out so i assume the doj will be able to and have an effect on other people in the white house orbit. >> i think evan perez is still with us. this is new reporting because i
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think cnn had previously reported that mark meadows spoke with trump about the documents brought to mar-a-lago the national archives wanted to return. could that have come up in this conver conversation? >> we don't know the full context where this will go at this point. we know at least at the beginning here, he's turned over these documents, that he had previously given to the committee but as pointed out, this is a criminal subpoena. this is a criminal investigation, and so we can't imagine the fbi is going to stop here, right? we know for instance that the justice department is ready and already prepared to challenge the former president's claim of executive privilege because they believe that they can pierce that with the approval of a judge. you can bet that once they get to that point, you know, they want to do it with not only with mark meadows but pat cipollone and the former vice president's
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aides, they have information the fbi and justice department want and i think we know that one of the things they're doing is getting ready to challenge all of that before a judge and once they do that, they can go everywhere. they can go to where you just talked about including the mar-a-lago classified documents taken to mar-a-lago the justice department said has no business going to mar-a-lago. i think everything is on the table now that this at least has happened. >> all right. i want everyone to stick around. we have much, much more to come on this. mark meadows complying with a doj subpoena. we'll continue reporting this. there is also a lot going on here in london. take a look at this. thousands of people are paying respects to the queen, queen elizabeth. these are live pictures from westminster hall. they're waiting in line all through the night. we're back in a moment.
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ranking trump official known to have responded to a subpoena in the federal investigation. back with me now, andrew mccabe, ellie and gloria boringer. ellie, trump has been counsel to cut contact with meadows. if his former chief of staff feels the heat from any possible legal exposure, is there a chance that he could become more corporative with the investigators in the future? >> absolutely, don. that's how and why people flip. look, if you gave me as a prosecutor, you said you can have any person's cooperation, full and truthful cooperation in this whole matter, i choose mark meadows. he's perfectly situated if he comes fully clean to be the ideal cooperator. it's important to know he's not there yet. this shows him part of the way. he's only turned over the same ati tells to the committee. he stopped cooperation. that's not full cooperation and don, in the federal system as andy knows, we don't do partial cooperation. you're fully in, fully truthful,
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you give up everything or you won't hack it as a cooperator. will doj get mark meadows to the line where he gives them everything and if they subpoena him, he doesn't have much of a choice in the matter other than to take the fifth. >> gloria, so this news that mark meadows complied with a subpoena comes after weeks of revelations over the classified documents held in trump's florida resort. how could these investigations heating up impact the former president as he looks towards 2024? this will definitely play into his decision, no? >> yes. but again, it's hard to tell these days what will play into donald trump's decisions regarding the presidential race. i think certainly this is more of a headache for him and i think definitively, we just ought to say that this is isn't good for him. the january 6th committee wasn't
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good for him. the fact that 30 of his former people have been subpoenaed and his former chief of staff has been subpoenaed is not good for him. it's very hard to say donald trump is very good at turning himself into a victim as he did after the search at mar-a-lago. i presume he would continue to do that. i think the big question here is what is mark meadows deciding to do? and what can the justice department get out of mark meadows? >> we know, andrew, even when he handed over thousands of messages to the january 6th committee, he still with held hundreds more. could the doj get their hands on those? >> certainly they could, don. it's meadows is kind of a fascinating character in the story because he's been on really both sides of the fence from the beginning. he wrote a memoir he said a bunch of things the former president probably didn't appreciate. then he resisted the efforts of
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the committee and then cooperated with the committee by providing thousands of texts and stopped cooperating with the committee and is now fighting their subpoena in court. so this kind of figuring out whether meadows is going to land permanently forever on the side of donald trump or on the side of the investigators has been -- is still a ball in the air. i think doj has the leverage and the power of the grand jury subpoena now, that's a totally different factor for mr. meadows to have to consider. he is going to have to answer that subpoena in one way or another. there is no way to push this off through litigation like he's done through congress and my suspicion is at the end of the day, doj is going to get what they want if as ellie says they have the will to fight for it. >> you want to talk about that a little more, ellie, they have the will to fight for it and do you think they have the will? >> yeah, so that's a big
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question, don. we used to say to people potentially cooperators, don't jump half way across the ditch. jump all the way across and join us on the doj side or stay there and we'll deal with you as necessary, if there is a subpoena that says mark meadows, give us everything you've given the january 6th committee, the next subpoena should say give us everything else and if he resists that, then potentially he become as target and opens himself up to criminal charges. doj has tactical decisions here but if they're serious about trying to get full testimony from mark meadows and flip him, they have more powerful tools to enforce it more than the committee had. >> thank you all. appreciate you helping us out with this reporting. thousands of mourners standing in line for miles tonight to pay respects to the queen and they could be waiting days. we have all the sights and sounds of this amazing day in london. that's next. -had enough? -no... arthritis.
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right now, here in london, people are lined up for miles waiting all through the night to pay respects to the late queen. i want you to take a look at this. we've never seen anything like it. the british people are giving a master class in queueing in line. it's a little after 3:00 a.m. in london. look how beautiful this city is. they've been waiting for hours. this is going to go on all day every day until the morning of
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quee queen's funeral on monday according to the live tracker. so it is a massive undertaking here. thousands of people, thousands and thousands of them filing past the queen's coffin in absolute silence, every step of this, all pageantry we've seen today signed off on by the queen herself. ♪ ♪ >> richard quest and bionca are here with me. they have been with me throughout the days really, about a week of reporting here. thank s for joining us.
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what we're witnessing, all of these people, take a look at this. the procession with the coffin making its way through london. what was the most striking moment to you? >> for me, it was the music, the funeral marches of beethoven and the starkness of just the coffin with the crown. it was dignified and extremely, moving because it was so well planned but this was a saying good-bye and recognizing this backwards and forwards between royalty and personality.
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i couldn't imagine being a family member, look at princess and prince. do everything you're supposed to do as royalty. in a sense, you can't be human. >> it's an entirely foreign concept to most people as max foster reminded me. these people have been raised with this expectation and also what they've been surrounded with and what they witness their entire lives and we had a reminder of that today when we saw prince william and prince harry walking side by side behind the coffin. i think people in the crowds were heartened by that seeing it as possible indication of symbolic unity between the brothers again but what it did remind a lot of people of is the two gentlemen when they were much younger 25 years ago walking side by side behind their mother's coffin. this is an expectation their entire life and people might think it's cruel even inhuman at
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times when they're so young but it is their life and what is expected of them. >> they're trained for this in a sense. this is their life. and i agree they didn't choose it and if you look at, say, harry has chosen to leave it but they have been brought up as indeed has charles from the very day one, duty. that's what the queen was about. >> i have a very strong feeling he'll be back. i really do think that will happen. >> i'm not going into that. >> we'll see. let's talk about something else. what i do want to talk about is king charless obviously he's the king, right? let's focus on him and william and harry for obvious reasons but the person that's taken the lead role and has been, you know, the most ostier, stiff upper lip, holdinging composure princess anne. she's held herself well in this. can you imagine having to do, walking behind your mother's coffin. she's the only daughter. >> and that's another symbolic
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thing. it was a wish for princess anne, her daughter in prime position isn't something we've seen in monarch's past in history. so that's an elevation and equality between female and male children but princess anne is associated with never shirking duty and having an understanding of the importance of that. >> sadly no nonsense from princess anne. if one person uses fruity language, one of her dogs bit somebody in a park once and that caused it. she's been known for speeding before. she's very, very forthright and will let you know. she doesn't suffer fools gladly and will let you know when she doesn't agree with something. >> she became the first female relative to stand and take part in those vigils that we saw, as well. some of this is historic and sees that true parody between
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male and female. >> she competed in the olympics in montreal as an equestrian. >> this isn't something that allows you to be human because you're doing it so publicly in front of so many people but i've been watching reports here locally in london about, you know, the king and that he is -- has little snippy and so have you seen that? he's brushing people away and being short with people? but he hasn't had any sleep. >> there is an element of -- >> maybe his personality. >> well, read tina brown's book. the man has been brought up in a way of getting what he wants and being able to -- people saying yes and sometimes he has a reputation for being sharp, i think is the way one might describe it. he doesn't suffer fools. he wants things done when he wants them done and we saw that
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twice. when a pen wouldn't work. those who know and have seen him will say he's perfectly ordinary, you know, he sometimes gets over wwhelmed. >> i signed the wrong date i signed the 12th and it's the 13th and the pen is leaking. >> some people take it out in the gym and some people with stationary and pens. >> i can relate. it happened to me traveling. someone left a pen in the luggage bin and -- >> and it dropped on my shoe. >> it didn't happen in front of cameras where the whole world could see it. appreciate both of you. thank you very much. as we mentioned, william and harry marching side by side today paying tribute to their grandmother but is it all a sign of a thaw in their relationship? we'll discuss.
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as people across the united kingdom and around the world mown queen elizabeth, they're keeping an eye on princes william and harry. they were bound by their mo mother's death as boys but as adults, their relationship has become strained and complicated. william, harry today side by side. more from richard quest. >> reporter: princes william and harry marching together behind their grandmother's coffin on wednesday. echoing a painful memory of another tragic time, 25 years ago when the two young brothers united in grief walked heartbreakingly behind their mother's casket. their bond seemingly unbreakable. from the time they were little the so-called heir and the spare were always together whether on
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royal duty or just horsing around. >> definitely got more brains than me. we've established that from school but i'm much better hands on. >> pretty rich coming from a ginger. >> reporter: harry was best man when the future prince of wales married kathryn then it was harry's time to wed, harry serving as best man for his little brother. the two showing a private funny moment caught on camera as they waited for his bride. the american actress meghan markle. but it wasn't long after that that signs of a royal rift appeared to show while on a tour of africa this eyebrow raising comment by prince harry revealed much. even though it said little. >> we'll always be brothers but we're certainly on different paths at the moment. >> reporter: in 2020 the duke and duchess of sussex announced their decision to step back as
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working royals. the extent of that fracture glaringly obvious. prince william then forced to carry alone royal duties that the brothers had been expected to shoulder together. and then there was the tell-all interview with oprah winfrey from the accusation that kathryn, princess of wales cacause caused meghan to cry a few days before the wedding to more serious allegations of racism in the royal family and a lack of support from those he was once close to. >> the relationship is space at the moment. >> reporter: the airing of the royal dirty laundry rippling like an earthquake across the atlantic. the norm early stoic and future monarch defended his family against the accusations. >> very much not a racist family. >> reporter: when their grandfather prince phillip passed in april last year, many hoped it would be the catalyst to start the healing process.
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it was a hope that seemed to be in vain. now, with the passing of their beloved granny, an opening, an opportunity. a surprise joint walk about of the prince and princess of wales and duke and duchess of sussex in windsor where they greeted mourners, the first time in years the couple appeared in public together. later showing an intimate dinner with the rest of the royals. on tuesday night at buckingham palace. a sign that perhaps this royal rift might finally be on the mend. richard quest, cnn, buckingham palace, london. >> all right. richard, thank you very much. appreciate that. joining me tricia, the host ovovf "the week." thanks for joining us. appreciate it. what do you think of this moment? what do you think this moment is like for princes william or
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harry after a couple years of distance and turmoil? >> i feel really sorry for them because, you know, the last time as we said when they were children united in grief but grief can also tear a family apart. i think that they oppressed this only adds to it. we forget they are human beings. and, you know, every -- the minute they look at each other anything, everything is interpreted. i really hope that they can come together. i do think, though, there are some majorimpediments. prince charles when he extended, you know, he said -- wished -- sent his love to harry and meghan and their new lives in the states. i really believe unless prince charles does something to stop the war between a certain tabloid that's been sued successfully three times and harry, nothing is going to change because i think harry has
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been very open about the fact they thought that by moving away from britain they would get away from that kind of tabloid intrusion. now, the other thing is that ha rry -- harry is starting to see a part of life he probably never really saw before. that headline when everything was supposed to be good of almost straight out of compton, then a cartoon of them leaving the hospital with a a monkey and what have you. in america, that would never be allowed and meghan is very hollywood. i don't think they've always made the best choices. i don't know that they've surrounded themselves with the best people, but it has incessant bullying nonstop. unless prince charles says enough because there is a weird sin near gee and relationship between members of the royal family and i believe the
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newspapers have been allowed to over step the mark and keep over stepping the mark. so i think if harry saw his father or any member of his family turn around and say enough. you know, we might not all get along as a family but enough, this is bullying stop. i think that's what we needs to hear. i really do before things can really mend themselves. >> interesting. i want to -- we're looking at the video of them marching today and we saw it here all play out live and as the procession was going past me at buckingham palace, i couldn't help but focus on harry who was obviously, the most recognizable because he wasn't wearing a military uniform. what did you make of him wearing this suit despite having served in the military, he was on the front lines, his brother the new prince of wales was not. >> so is prince andrew. it's different from the states.
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in the states, a veteran can wear their uniform at special occasions. in the u.k., once you leave the armed forces you cannot wear the uniform. you can wear the medals over a suit but you can't wear the uniform but if you are an honorary member of the army then you can. so this is weird thing where prince edward who didn't even complete the marines can wear his uniform and medals with an honorary title and so can his brother but the two serving, you know, members andrew and as well as prince harry, whether they were still serving royals or not, unless they were given an honorary position within the armed forces can't wear the uniform. now, a lot of newspapers have been very quick to say that well harry has been cast out and andrew has been cast out and put harry and prince andrew in the
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same sentence is beyond stupid but it's trying to sort of besmerch them. once you left the armed forces unless you're in an honorary position, no member of the armed forces is allowed to wear the uniform once they have left. >> tricia, i always learn so much from you. we love having you on. thank you so much. be well. >> thank you, don. last-minute scramble to avoid a looming railroad strike that could have huge economic conse consequences. will there be a deal to stop 60,000 workers from walking off the job? re of lincoln. ♪ ♪ it's what sanctuary could lolook like... feel like... sound like... even smell like. more on that soon. ♪ ♪ the best part? the prequel is pretty sweet too. ♪ ♪
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damage to the economy. amtrak already canceling all of its long distance routes ahead of the potential strike, and warning there are more to come. here's cnn's pete muntean. >> it is the latest effort to put the brakes on a possible rail workers strike, that could deal a major blow to the economy. bosses representing unions and railroads met with the labor secretary in a last-ditch effort to reach a deal by midnight thursday. that's when 60,000 workers could walk off the job in solidarity, with train engineers fighting for six-time. a strike will mean -- which makes up 40% of all freight in the u.s., will grind to a halt, impacting everything from parts for cars to fertilizer for farming. >> transportation is a big part of the cost of the consumer. i don't believe there's one person in the country that it won't affect. >> starting thursday, some railroads will stop accepting shipments of grain. critical to feed livestock and
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potentially further driving up costs at supermarkets. rail passengers will be impacted to. amtrak is canceling all of its long distance routes outside of the northeast corridor. in chicago, nine of 11 commuter lines will stop when a strike begins. >> i've been commuting from the suburbs to chicago now for over 30 years, i could never remember this happening. it could take two hours, on the train is 40 minutes. >> with midterm elections on the horizon, the pressure is on the biden administration to reach a resolution. the president himself has called unions and employers, pushing for them to resolve their differences. if a freight rail shutdown does happen, trucking companies say they cannot pick up the slack. >> it starts with a very small impact, but it grows geometrically. >> one more possible impact of all of this, water treatment facilities are now worried they will not be able to get chlorine, which is often sent by rail, and critical to cleaning water. they're warning that oil water
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advisories may stop popping up nationwide if this rail workers strike does in fact happen. don? >> pete muntean, thanks very much. appreciate that. next, more on our cnn exclusive reporting, former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, has complied with the doj subpoena in the january 6th probe. probe. building an experience that lets you shop over 17,0,000 cars from home. creating a coast-to-coast network to deliver youour car as soon as tomorrow. recruiting an army of customer advocates to make your experience incredible. and putting you in control of the whole thing, with powerful technology. that's why we've become the nation's fastest growing retailer, because our customers love it. see for yourself at carvana.com
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my cholesterol is borderline. so i take garlique to help maintain healthy cholesterol safely and naturally. and it's odor free. i'm taking charge of my cholesterol with garlique. our cnn exclusive tonight, sources say the former white house chief of staff, mark meadows, has complied with the subpoena from the justice department. department investigation into events surrounding january 6th, 2021. making him the highest ranking trump official known to have responded to a subpoena in the federal investigation. i want to bring in now cnn's evan perez, also former nixon white house counsel john dean,
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and former federal prosecutor elliott williams. so happy to have you along to go along with this new reporting. evan, this is your reporting. you're part of the team behind this group exclusive reporting. what are you learning? >> well, don, we know that the justice department served a subpoena on mark meadows. he is the former chief of staff of the former president. and what they've gotten is thousands of texts and emails, these are ones that he already provided to the house committee that's investigating january 6th. and as you pointed out, this makes him the highest ranking official, trump official, known to have been served a subpoena as part of this criminal investigation. mark meadows, of course, had a front seat to all of the efforts by the former president to overturn the election. he was in touch with state officials, he was trying to push prosecutors at the justice department to say that there was evidence of fraud. when we have course know that there was no evidence of fraud.
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to certainly the level -- to make a difference in the election. we know that he was sending over some of the conspiracy period the former president is trying to push. again, only idea that there was enough fraud to make a difference in the election. and the idea that the election was stolen from donald trump. we know that he has complied with the subpoena. we also know that ben williams said, a top aide of mark meadows, also received a subpoena recently as part of this big group of subpoenas that went out just before the 60-day quiet period of the justice department. we're told that he was asked for everything related to january 6th. you know, again, this is something that we knew, you know, that meadows was something that everybody was asking, what happened to mark meadows? but now we know, he did receive a subpoena, he did comply with this without subpoena, don. >> just shows you that they're working behind the scenes when most people
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