to make a difference in the election. we know that he was sending over some of the conspiracy period the former president is trying to push. again, only idea that there was enough fraud to make a difference in the election. and the idea that the election was stolen from donald trump. we know that he has complied with the subpoena. we also know that ben williams said, a top aide of mark meadows, also received a subpoena recently as part of this big group of subpoenas that went out just before the 60-day quiet period of the justice department. we're told that he was asked for everything related to january 6th. you know, again, this is something that we knew, you know, that meadows was something that everybody was asking, what happened to mark meadows? but now we know, he did receive a subpoena, he did comply with this without subpoena, don. >> just shows you that they're working behind the scenes when most people don't know it.

elliott, let's talk about these documents. these are the same documents that meadows turned over to the january 6th select committee. what is the significance of them now being shared with the doj? what's the big picture view here? >> yeah, i think the big picture view, don, is number one, most people actually comply with subpoenas. so much focus has been on who hasn't been complying. at the end of the day, there's a tremendous risk that someone takes by not doing so. i don't know what mark meadows calculation was here, but clearly, the risk of prosecution is pretty great. by not complain. big picture, think about all of the things that text messages to and from mark meadows could provide evidence of help support. obviously, there is the white house's response to violence on the day of january 6th. that certainly the most obvious. then there's the questions of

how congress was itself obstructed. as a governmental body or is congress itself. and certainly, questions may have come to him as the white house chief of staff. and then there's the broader questions of efforts by former president trump in the white house to disrupt, pardon me, to engage in this fake elector scheme. and we touched on it a little bit. there's a number of lately connected, loosely connected, but very serious crimes that the justice department might be looking into here. and this evidence might touch on any of them. we just don't know cars we haven't seen it. but it certainly significant. >> john dean, mark meadows likely to go and claim executive privilege. how do you see that playing out, do you think that's what will happen? >> well, he did claim executive privilege in the material he turned over to the january 6th committee. that's already out there. he's also didn't fully comply with the january 6th committee, and they referred a contempt citation on him. the justice department did not

do anything with that. and that was the first signal to me to look and see, who is his lawyer? he's got one of the best lawyers in washington. he's got a guy who spent 15 years in the top ranks of the department of justice, becoming deputy attorney general and acting attorney general. somebody who really knows how the game is played. so, i think meadows is being guided very carefully. and what he's done at this point, if he's given them everything he has, your question on executive privilege, in this context, where the grand jury is probably responsible for the subpoena, there is going to be no executive privilege. this is u.s. versus nixon, where his tapes get produced, and he loses his right to invoke executive privilege as did everybody else. so, that is established law with a grand jury. you cannot claim it. they will knock it down if he raises it. with his lawyer, i don't think they'll even do that.

i think he's in very good hands and i think he's a witness who probably sends chills down donald trump's back. because of what he can do and the lawyer he's got. >> well. evan, responded a. because of all of this information coming out of mar-a-lago the mar-a-lago in this case, the doj certainly has a lot to ask meadows about. >> absolutely. >> he was a key figure involved with those documents to? >> no, absolutely, don. he is probably the most important witness. he was in the room when al stuf. not only right after the election, but obviously, on january 6th as you pointed out. he also knows all of the efforts, you know, when trump was wrapping up the white house and was packing up to send those documents to mar-a-lago. he would've been in charge of that operation. so, you can bet that those are the things that the fbi would eventually want to get to.

one of the things that i think is playing out behind the scenes is, we reported a few weeks ago, that the justice department was confronting this issue, was getting ready to confront this issue of executive privilege. you'll remember the former vice presidents aides, mark jacob and mark short, appeared before the grand jury. they claimed executive privilege on certain questions. recently, we had the two white house counsel's, former white house counsel's, pat cipollone and pat philbin his deputy. they appeared before the grand jury. they similarly declined to answer certain questions that were, they believe, covered by the former presidents claim of executive privilege. those are things that the justice department is going to challenge. and we'll get a judge to, as you get to just been talking about, they're gonna win that. it's almost clear that, it's almost certain, that these questions will eventually be answered by everyone. and that includes, likely, mark

meadows if the fbi wants him to come in. >> elliott, i want you to respond to that. and also, what does the doj do right now to get meadows to cooperate fully? >> yeah, i mean to take a slightly different view from my two friends here in that, it's not a completely frivolous argument being raised by these former senior white house staffers. because at the end of the day, they are former senior white house staffers who would've had protected, some protected conversations with the president. or amongst themselves. they have an argument there now. backing up john's point, when courts have looked at this executive privilege question, they tend to make the executive, the executive branch to the white house, bend the knee to the criminal process. if there is a grand jury or criminal investigation. but again, i think as a nation we want our leaders to be able

to have confidential conversations amongst themselves. and to some extent, the law protects that a little bit. this is going to make it to court. what i'm saying is, it's not gonna be laughed out of court as silly. but it's an important legal fight to have. i think it's going to get there. >> john, you know, mark meadows came up over and over again in cassidy hutchinson's testimony. let's play some of the key moments for you guys. >> marcus still sitting on his phone, i remember glad to get him, he still sitting on his phone. and i remember pat saying to him, substitute effective, the rioters have gone to the capital, mark. we need to go down and see the president now. and mark looked up at him and said, he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of, and very clearly, said this to mark. something to the effect of, mark, something needs to be

done, or people are going to be to die in blood's gonna be on your effing hands. >> so, questions, meadows needs to answer? >> i think he'll ultimately answer a lot of questions. the question to me, don, is will he invoke the fifth amendment. i think he's got tremendous exposure himself. he's in the middle of all this. some of these certainly walk like and quack like a conspiracy. so, this raises the question of how much vulnerability he feels. i think there's a good chance, if anybody they're gonna try and flip, and not have him invoke the fifth, and the fact that they didn't prosecute him for contempt, suggests that his lawyer is talking about that potential. is mark meadows. that's when it hits the fan, so to speak. >> gentlemen, thank you very much. appreciate that.

i bring in our cnn political analyst john avlon. john, good to see you. no one was closer to trump and meadows. he was in the room where it happened. if he is compelled to cooperate further, what could that mean? >> could mean everything. as john dean just stated, that's where it hits the fan. because there is nobody closer to the president that his chief of staff, particular this key moment in history. meadows would have firsthand knowledge from the president of his statements of his actions and his closest -- state of mind. i think what john dean just laid out is fascinating, given that he's been represented by quite a serious lawyer that they did not charge him with contempt. does that indicate a degree of cooperation? we may not be seeing? we do not know at this stage, i want to be clear about that. but if mark meadows were to flip, that would open up whole new insight into donald trump at that moment in our history. >> the doj issued over 30 subpoenas in the last week or

so, do you expect to see a bunch of new reporting about people close to trump who are now complying? >> yes. and that doesn't necessarily mean leaks, it means this investigation is going in a full court press mode, as we head into the midterms, i don't expect we'll be seeing indictments yes necessarily in this period before the election. in fact, i would expect the opposite. but it does indicate that this is now a concerted effort by the department of justice to investigate every aspect of this attempt to overturn our election. whether it's via electors or any other, these machinations that were apparently being run in and around the white house in the trump campaign. to subvert our democracy. remember, let's not get numb to that. it does not get any more serious than that. when it comes to the soul of our country. and who we are as a democratic republic. >> so, listen, this is what you do. you quote on politics, you're an expert on a lot of things.

one of the political implications of all this movement inside this 60-day window just before the midterm elections, john? >> i think we should try and do link the two as difficult as it is. look, we know that polling shows that concerns about defending our democracy are one of the top things that are motivating people. certainly there's the economy. there's inflation. there's a reaction to the overturning of roe v. wade. but people do have a sense that democracy is on the line. and they need to take into account the former presidents actions, the people around him, especially given that he is by most accounts the potential front runner for the gop domination. and then so many of his followers who've won gop nominations heading into the fall have done so taking the sort of election lie litmus test. so all that needs to be taken into account by the voters. but the doj's investigation needs to occur on a separate track. it will influence politics. but the two should not blur. people should make no mistake, as citizens of this democratic republic, that the election lie is part of the larger

conspiracy that occurred to try and overturn our election. and continues to erode our confidence in democracy today. >> john avlon, appreciate it, thank you sir. >> thanks buddy. >> a lot going on in london tonight after a day of spectacular pageantry. every moment carefully planned and signed off by the queen herself, thousands of people are lining up tonight, waiting to pay their respects.

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coffin before the queens state funeral on monday. cnn's max foster with the latest now. silence -- mourners filing past, some overcome with emotion. after spending her last night at buckingham palace, the coffin was carried in procession on a gun carriage. behind on foot her family. king charles the third and his siblings, princess and, prince andrew and prince edward. and the queen's grandchildren, including prince william and prince harry. who we last saw like this walking behind their mother's coffin as children. on top of the casket, as the procession made its way along the mao, the priceless imperial

state crown. as it moved through iconic landmarks in london. guns fired from hyde park. and triumphs from big ben marking each minute. among the first to arrive at westminster hall, the queen consort, the princess of whales and the duchess of sussex traveling by car. witnessing history, thousands watching as the coffin made its way down the political district in whitehall, to be passed by the family to the people. members of the army, navy and air force giving a guard of honor to their late commander in chief. the procession finally arriving at the heart of parliament, the ancient westminster hall, for a short blessing. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> the lord lift up the right of his countenance upon you. and give you peace. and the blessing of god

almighty the father, the son and the holy spirit. be among you and remain with you always. amen. then, finally, a chance for mourners, some who'd waited overnight, a chance to have their own personal moment and bid farewell to their queen the head of the state funeral on monday. max foster, cnn, the palace of westminster, london. >> all right, max, thank you very much. i want to bring in now neil at your son, he's the author of stone voices, the search for scotland. also with me selma abdelaziz and cnn's -- out with the crowds waiting to pay their respects with the queen. hello to one at all, thank you so much for joining us. i will go to not a first because we are talking to people waiting hours to the middle of the night for a chance to say goodbye to the queen. what are they telling you, why is it so important to them? >> yeah, absolutely, don.

it is remarkable to see the sheer number of people who have come out to wait for the queen overnight to pay their respects. the queue at this stage is about 2.8 miles long. it is wrapping around all of central london. it is really remarkable to see many who have spoken to said, it was simply so important for them to take part in this opportunity to pay their respects to the queen. one lady we spoke to said, she won't be able to attend the funeral, but she wants to show sure respect in her own way, this is exactly what she's doing now. of course, this is a big security operations. there are stewards and authorities around the area, making sure this is all running in an orderly manner. because there simply so many people. of course, this is running 24 hours for four full days. we've been seeing speaking to one lady just over here, amy, who's traveled three and a half hours from sheffield to join the queue. hello, amy. >> hello. >> tell me a little bit about why this was so important for you to take part in this cute? >> i just think it's such a momentous moment in history, i think it's really important for the children to like remember

it and like, come and pay our respects. like, who the queen was. when it was broadcasted that she'd sadly died, lily may, she's six. she was sat with her brother, she was asking lots of questions. so just going over it and just informing her, speaking in her own little way that still understand. >> it was important to you to have the whole family here? >> my mom, my dad, my brother and my sister. this is my little cousin. so, everyone's here. this is my three little children. so we're on a road trip down,'s pair respects, and then back up to sheffield. carry on. >> it's been a really long journey for you. how many hours have you've been in the queue so far? >> we were at the back of the queue at london bridge at 20 past ten. so, five, more than five hours. >> but for you it's totally worth it? >> definitely. power respects. >> thank you. and that's really the message we've been hearing from so many people up and down this queue, don, is that it's a historic moment. and it's a moment of history

that they and their families want to be a part of. don? >> oh my gosh, those kids are in the little wagon there. they're so cute there all snuggled up and snoozing. good for them. i hope they're staying warm and warm there. standby, not a, i want to bring in neil, how do you explain this incredible showing of people who are filing past the coffin of the late queen, standing in line for hours, and they never even knew her. >> almost the whole population was born after she came to the throne. so, they've never known anything else. and she is like part of the furniture, but she's part of the mentally live in. it's like the loss of her is like a wall suddenly falling out of your room. and people felt protective, reassured by her presence. which continuously said,

everything is okay, we're gonna be all right. nothing really has changed. and reality, of course immensely changed.

express their condolences. we know this is about morning, but monday will also be a diplomatic event. yes it will. in that sense it'll be quite reassuring to people who don't know what's gonna come next. because part of her assurances

that britain will still retain its old power in the world. almost the fall away from empire in world power and world status hadn't happened at all. and the funeral, the gathering of heads of state, kings and queens, presidents, will be a reassurance. but in many ways, an unreal one. >> there are other members of the royal family outside of uk, they will be attending as well? >> yes, we're gonna see royal families from all across europe. netherlands, denmark, spain, monaco. i think i can go on and on. and what's important to remember here, all the royal families of europe are related. they are not just attending as dignitaries, they are quite literally attending as family members. of course, the alongside presidents and heads of state, this is going to be the largest diplomatic event, one of the largest in a century. so, this is going to be an extraordinary moment. you have to think of the logistics of this. heads of state from all over

the world, all convening in one place, westminster abbey, to the security around this, the planning, and everything decided down to the second, don. >> neil, i want to talk about something that you mentioned just a moment ago. you talked about the monarchy, whatever, the royal family has received such goodwill over the last couple of days. the question is, will they be able to hang on to that? because a lot of members of the commonwealth countries i should say, who are looking to get out of the monarchy, not to be a part of it anymore. >> yes, that's right. i think the commonwealth which of course is the descendant of the old british empire, has re-function itself into an association of independent states. and what britain thinks is quite a minor matter for them. so, they -- the commonwealth itself will continue as a loose, not very

effective, not very important but perfectly amicable organization, into all kinds of other states and joining, which have no traditional association with britain at all. >> there are some real questions though about real issues with britain's colonial history. how much pressure do you think the king is under to address that? >> i think the king is under more pressure perhaps then he realizes. i think he's worried about what can happen. and how he can retain the authority his mother had. because people, it's a mixture of skepticism and affection. and i think that goes not just for the population of england and scotland and wales and northern ireland, probably goes for a lot of the commonwealth as well. and the name of the game is to try to preserve the affection and keep the skepticism from

rising. i think that's going to be very, very difficult. >> thank you very much. not a, i know you're out there with the families and i hope the kids in the buggy are doing well and all the folks out there are staying warm and let's hope the rain holds off. i appreciate your reporting and you talking to the folks. and also you guys, thank you so much, i appreciate you. >> americans all over the country turning their attention to london as millions more queen elizabeth. what is about to happen to the monarchy? what's gonna happen? and it's fascinating to figure out what's up, so we'll discuss that next. that next. answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your car's valuee and gives you a real offer in seconds we'll come to you pay you on the spot then pick up your car that's's it at carvana

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london mourning the queen, millions of people all over the world are watching including a whole lot of americans. so, what is it about the monarchy that fascinates us? joining me now, shannon felton spence, a former british public affairs official. and frank for hasaka, he is a senior research fellow in history at oxford and the author of the eagle in the crown, americans and the british monarchy. so good to have you on, good evening to both. shannon, americans have been mourning all week along with the uk. why do you think queen elizabeth was so popular in the united states? >> hi, don, thanks for having me. in many ways, queen elizabeth is the story of the 20th century. and so, the bond that we have with the uk, largely came about after the second world war. and she sort of our bond to the greatest generation.

there is been lots of talk this week about the queue and the length of the queue to view the queen lying in state. how that compares to winston churchill's queue back in the 50s. i have to say, what really strikes me about that is the queen, queen elizabeth ii, is really the last link to winston churchill. she's the last link to the blitz era world war ii. and the blitz era britain. so to speak. and there's something that is so -- we revere that so much as americans. and the cultural links between us, they're strong. we have a special relationship, we have this very strong alliance, and americans are, you know, drawn to the royal family into the uk. >> yeah. frank, it seems at odds with american culture to put a

monarchy up on a pedestal like this. i mean you literally wrote the book, why are american so fascinated with this family? where the? >> well, they've been cultivated by the royal family since the 19th century. but you must recall -- from 1776 were part of the first british empire. almost all of them were anglo-saxon's, of course, and the bonds of what they used to call law, liberty and language were crucial in cementing the relationship between the americans and british public. but the british monarchy using the foreign office as well, has made so many visits. the queen, i can't remember how many visits he's made, but quite a few. she came to philadelphia in 1776. and that was a momentous occasion, she praised the founding fathers. it's interesting in america, queen victoria was called america's queen. this was a very common usage. and they jubilees of 1887 in

1897 were widely celebrated in the united states. so, it's not by accident. there's so many similarities between the two cultures. in fact, you could say that britain is a disguised republic, while america is a disguised monarchy. this is a theme i played around with quite a bit over the years. there are differences obviously, the americans have combined the function of the executive with a sovereign function. the executive and the sovereign seem to be combined. this was a terrible mistake by the founding fathers, in my view, and that's a general view of constitutional historians. because you have to admire your president when he's on foreign tours, but you may hate him domestically as president. so, it's caused confusion in the american mind. and they could look to britain where these things are divided and see that it works quite effectively. >> you know, i have to say, shannon, i think that maybe, you know, the fascination by

americans maybe trailing off a little bit. there's a little bit of resurgence with meghan and harry. it's a new era with king charles at the helm. he's not nearly as popular as his mother, not as popular as his sons. do you think people still have a bad taste left over from his divorce with princess diana and will that matter? >> so, recently, the association of martial scholars ran a poll with emerson college, and what they were trying to assess was americans perceptions of the uk. this was just a couple weeks ago. it was before the queen's passing. quite timely, though, they added in a question for the next generation. how important will the british monarchy be to u.s. and uk relations? and stunningly 64% of americans between the ages of 18 to 34 said it will be just as important or more important. and 71% of 35-year-olds to 49

year olds, americans, said it will be just as important or more important. now, when you consider that just as important was gauged with queen elizabeth the second, that's quite striking. i think that the new prince and princess of whales have done quite a bit to infuse some energy and some contemporary understanding of the monarchy for american audiences. and i actually think that king charles is going to be fine. that i think those poll numbers will go speak for themselves. >> frank, americans are based on disney princess movies, they watch the world from afar, they are movies and tv shows and novels all about the past and present worlds. how much of the monarchy is about a person and how much of it is about the institution? >> well i think monarchy is the

founder of celebrity. most historians that talk about celebrity culture go back to louis the 14th. and the royal family of course, it's part of that celebrity culture. the first visit by a brit, it's not, well and with the seventh, was by prince of wellstone 1860, and he was mobbed wherever he went. he was the most eligible bachelor in the world of course. and edward the eighth as print of was in a 1920s, they seem to put up a special relationship. america has this cult of celebrity. and members of the royal family have a storage association, they're not just passing people from the media world. they have a history behind them. and that makes them all the more of celebrities. so i think the young royals, kate and william, they're gonna make some tours to america, they will be as you guys said, very popular. there is no reason to believe that there is going to be a diminishing interest in the

monarchy and the united states. >> frank shannon, thank you very much, i appreciate it. the magnification of the gop is only beginning. that casts it out on the 2020 election, so how will they fare in the general election come november, we will discuss next. november, we will discuss next. you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discoverer card.

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deniers a winning big in the new hampshire primaries. dan ball duck defeating state senate president chuck morris, buttocks win brings a total of gop senate nominees that denied or test on the 2020 election, results tenth 19. he will go on to run against -- maggie hassan, in november, and over new hampshire's first congressional district, generation z candidate caroline lovett winning her primary, a trump, former trump aide, under press -- beat out former trump -- man hours, she will go up to democratic congressman chris pompous in november. from what i want to bring it out cp -- and margaret hoover, hello, a lot of names here, i am going who are these people? and i'm sure a lot of people at home are going, who are these people. but people in their districts and in the parties or republican parties they now. so good to have both of you,

margaret, let's start with the new hampshire gop senate primaries. election denier don baltic, dan baltic, beating state senate president chuck morris, not integral publicans are worrying about his chances against democratic -- mckesson. even governor christen -- says he was not a serious candidate. what do you think about politics victory and republican chances in november? , well it significantly diminish the republican chances in november. does mitch mcconnell anybody who was really betting on this republican wave. basically based on historic, just the historic precedent of two terms, or two years into the farcical into the president of the opposite parties term, there was a wave going for republicans. which has been blunted by the quality of candidates that have been chosen or selected by a republican base. and frankly, by overturning of roe v. wade in the dobbs decision. so what you are seeing is don,

places in the larger context, of what was the tradition of modern northeastern republicans who had always been more moderate on social issues. really set apart from southern conservators and western conservatives what. you see now is a full trump expectation up and down the ballot at every level of the party. even at the states that used to yield moderate republicans, and you see this, one quick last point, in the neighboring state of massachusetts, and in maryland, where the two most popular governors in the country, where larry hogan, and charlie baker. republican governors of blue states and they can't even endorse the candidate who have been nominated to replace them on the party ticket because they are candidates who endorse trump's lies and are so aligned with the maga banner that they simply don't represent the values that that old northeast

and republican tradition representatives. >> i want to ask, i want to get to other candidates, so i want your response alice. you also got this gen zers, caroline leavitt, winning the gop nomination for new hampshire first congressional district. she ran against another former trump administration, matt myers, but she went all in and mehmet trumps brash that supported his election lie. does this prove what margaret just said, that's in order to, when you have to fully embrace everything trump? >> she is exactly right. and in terms of winning a primary. the other congressional candidates in new hampshire also was a trump endorsed candidates that was a very far to the right and that is concerning to me. what is formula to date for many people to win a primary is not a woman winning formula for a general election. we need to go from the mat of the magnification of the gop to the modification of the gop. what we are going to do is not just appeal to the base but we

need to appeal to the moderates. they are not interested in election deniers and conspiracy theorist. they want people that will call out inflation and fight crime. we got about eight weeks ago before putin elections and republicans need to spend every waking moment campaigning on issues that are important to the people of their district out of this country. and that is the next eight weeks, forwards must come out of republicans math, day in a day out, that is economy, crime, and economy and crime. over, and over, and over. no more talk about grievances of the pass. no more talk about election problems. focus on what is going to not just bring about the base, but also these moderate suburban voters that are many have straight from the republican party. >> margaret, i have to ask, if you talk about old-school the school or socially conservative small government, that's what a

thing. how much is a maga takeover of a gop really's nothing out this old style version of a republican? >> entirely! it is entirely snuffed it out! there is no diversity in the gop. when it comes to gop primary, the trump endorsement is all that matters. by the way, that's not a uniform policy. it's not clear what those ideas are. remember, in 2020, when donald trump was running for reelection, there was no party platform. literally! trump said i am the platform. the northeastern tradition, right? which was it wasn't necessarily especially conservative as maybe people i believe in buckley junior would have preferred, but it was a moderate socially. and it was strong national security, and the communist. it had its own coherence. all of those nuances within the conservative movement, all of the differences and they factions that really brought it

together into unifying cohesive, frankly winning coalition, have been decimated. by donald trump's personality and his requirement, that republicans adhere to his lies, his conspiracy theories, and his cult of personality. >> yeah, and listen, alice just mentioned they would like to be talking about other things, and the reason that you are timing shows tonight because what we covered as top of the show. we went along with it. the doj, the subpoenas, mark meadows, so that's it for you guys. thank you, we will be right back. >> thanks don. >> thanks don.

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