evidence of fraud when we of course know there was no evidence of fraud, certainly to the level -- to make a difference in the election. we also know that he was sending over some conspiracy theorists the president was trying to push all in the idea there was enough fraud to make a difference in the election and the idea that the election was stolen from donald trump. so we know that he has complied with the subpoena. we also know that ben williamson, top aide of mark meadows, also received a subpoena recently as part of this big group of subpoenas that went out just before the 60-day quiet period of the justice department. we're told he was asked for everything related to january 6th. you know, again, this is something that we knew, you know, that meadows was somebody that everybody was asking what happened to mark meadows. now we know. he did receive a subpoena. he did comply with that subpoena.

>> just shows you they're working behind the scenes when most people don't know it. elliott, let's talk about these documents because these are the same documents i believe that meadows turned over to the january 6th select committee. what is the significance of them now being shared with the doj? what's the big picture? >> yeah, the big picture, don, number one, most people actually comply with subpoenas. so much focus has been on who hasn't been complying but at the end of the day there's a tremendous risk for those that don't. i don't know what his calculation was but the risk of prosecution was pretty great by not complying. big picture, think about all of the things that text messages to and from mark meadows could provide evidence of or help support. obviously there is the white house's response to violence on

the day of january 6th. that's certainly the most obvious. then there's questions of how congress itself was obstructed as a governmental body or as congress itself. and certainly questions may have come to him as the white house chief of staff. then there's the broader questions of efforts by former president trump and the white house to disrupt -- pardon me, engage in this fake electors scheme. there's a number of sort of likely connected -- loosely connected but very serious crimes that the justice department might do here and this evidence may touch on any of it. we don't know but it's certainly significant. >> john dean, mark meadows, how do you see that playing out? do you think that's what will happen? >> well, he did claim executive privilege in the material he turned over to the january 6th committee so that's already out there. he also didn't fully comply with the january 6th committee and

they referred a contempt citation on him. the justice department did not do anything with that and that was the first signal to me, look to see who is his lawyer. he's got one of the best lawyers in washington. he's got a guy who spent 15 years in the top ranks of the department of justice becoming deputy attorney general and acting attorney general, somebody who really knows how the game is played. so i think meadows is being guided very carefully. what he's done at this point is he's given them everything he has. your question on executive privilege, in this context where the grand jury is probably responsible for the subpoena, there is going to be no executive privilege. this is u.s. versus nixon where his tapes get produced and he loses his right to invoke executive privilege as did everybody else. that is established law with the grand jury. you cannot claim it. they will knock it down if he

raises it. with his lawyer, i don't think they'll even do that. i any he is in very good happened and i think he's a witness who probably sends chills down donald trump's back because of what he can do and the lawyer he's got. >> evan, respond to that because with all of this disinformation coming out of mar-a-lago and the mar-a-lago investigation, doj certainly has a lot to ask meadows about. >> absolutely. >> he was a key figure involved with those documents, too. >> no, absolutely, don. he is probably the most important witness. he was in the room when all of this stuff was happening, not only right after the election but obviously on january 6th as you pointed out. he also knows all of the efforts, you know, when trump was wrapping up the white house and was packing up to send those documents to mar-a-lago. he would have been in charge of that operation.

so you can bet that that's -- those are the things that the fbi would eventually want to get to. one of the things i think is playing out behind the scenes is we reported a few weeks ago that the justice department was confronting this issue, was getting ready to confront this issue of executive privilege. you'll remember the former vice president's aides, mark jacob and marc short appeared before the grand jury. they claimed executive privilege on certain questions. recently we had the two former white house counsels, pat cipollone, pat philbin his deputy appear before the grand jury. they similarly declined to answer certain questions that were, they believed, covered by the former president's claim of executive privilege. those are the things that the justice department is going to challenge and we'll get a judge to get to it, as you guys have been talking about, they're going to win that. it is almost clear that, you know, it's almost certain that these questions will eventually

be answered by everyone, and that includes likely mark meadows if the fbi wants him to come in. >> elliott, i want you to respond to that and also what does the doj do right now to get meadows to cooperate? >> yeah. you know, i'm going to take a slightly different view from my two friends here in that it's not a completely frivolous argument being raised by these former senior white house staffers because at the end of the day they are former senior white house staffers and would have protected some protected conversations with the president or amongst themselves. now backing up john's point. when courts have looked at this executive privilege question, they tend to make the executive the executive branch, the white house, bend a knee a bit to the criminal process. if there is a grand jury or a criminal investigation. but, again, it's not -- you

know, i think as a nation we want our leaders to be able to have confidential conversations amongst themselves and to some extent the law pro thaekts a little bit. so this is going to make it to court. what i'm saying is it's not the kind of thing that will be laughed out of the court as silly, but it's an important legal fight to have and i think it's going to -- you know, it's going to get there. >> john, you know, mark meadows came up over and over again in cassy hutchinson's testimony. let's play some of the key moments. here it is. >> mark's still sitting on his phone. i remember glancing and he's still sitting on his phone and i remember pat saying to him something to the effect of, the rioters have gotten to the capitol, mark. we need to go down and see the president now. and mark looked up at him and said, he doesn't want to do anything, pat. and pat said something to the effect of -- and very clearly said this to mark, something to

the effect of, mark, something needs to be done or people are going to die and the blood's going to be on your f'ing hands. >> so questions meadows needs to answer? >> i think he'll -- i think he'll ultimately answer a lot of questions. the question to me, don, is will he invoke the fifth amendment? i think he's got tremendous exposure himself. he's in the middle of all this. some of these certainly walk like and quack like a conspiracy so this raises the question of how much vulnerability he feels. i think there's a chance if anybody they're going to try to flip and not have him invoke the fifth and the fact that they didn't prosecute him for contempt suggests that his lawyer is talking about that potential is mark meadows and that's when the -- that's when it hits the fan, so to speak.

>> gentlemen, thank you very much. appreciate that. bring in now john avlon. hello. how are you? good to see you. no one was closer to trump than meadows. if he is compelled to cooperate further, what could that mean? >> could mean everything. as john dean stated, that's where it hits the fan because there is nobody closer to a president than his chief of staff. meadows would presumably have firsthand knowledge of his statements and access and as close as can be gained, his state of mind. i think what john dean laid out is fascinating given he's being represented by a serious lawyer, did not charge him with contempt. does that indicate a bit of cooperation we may not know? if meadows is to flip, that would open whole new insight into donald trump at that moment in our history. >> the doj issued over 30

subpoenas in the last week or so. do you expect to see a bunch of new reporting about people close to trump who are now complying? >> yes. and that doesn't necessarily mean leaks, it means that this investigation is going in a full-court press mode. as we head into the mid terms, i don't expect we will be seeing indictments in this period before the election, in fact, i would expect the opposite, but it does indicate this is a concerted effort by the department of justice to investigate every aspect to overturn our election, whether it's via electors or any other m machineations that were being done to subvert our democracy. let's not get numb to that. it does not get anymore serious than that when it comes to the soul of our country and who we are as a democratic republic. >> so, listen, this is what you

do. part of what you do. you are expert in a lot of things. what are the political implications of all of this movement inside the 60-day window just before mid-term elections, john? >> i think we should try to delink the two as difficult as it is. polling shows concerns of defending our democracy are one of the things motivating people. certainly there's the economy, inflation, the reaction to overturning of roe v. wade. people do get a sense that democracy is on the line. they need to take into account the former president's actions, the people around him especially given that he is by most accounts potential front-runner for the gop nomination and that so many of his followers who have won gop nominations heading into the fall have done so taking this election lie litmus test. all that needs to be taken into account by the voters but the doj's investigation needs to occur on a separate track. it will influence politics but the two should not blur. people should make no mistake as

citizens of this democratic republic that the election lie is part of the larger conspiracy that occurred to try to overturn our election and continues to erode our confidence in democracy today. >> john avlon, appreciate it, sir. >> thanks. there's a lot going on in london tonight after a day of spectacular pageantry. every moment carefully planned and signed off on by the queen herself. thousands of people are lining up tonight waiting to pay their respects. show your sore throat who's boss. mucinex instasoothe. works in seconds, lasts for hours.

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elizabeth ii lies in state in westminster hall. mourners filing by paying their respects, some overcome with emotion. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: after spending her last night at buckingham palace, the coffin was carried on gun carriage. king charles iii and siblings, princess ann, prince edward and prince andrew and the queen's grandchildren including prince harry and prince william who we last saw like this walking behind their mother's casket as children. the priceless imperial state crown as it moved through iconic landmarks in london. guns fired from hyde park and chimes from big ben marking each

minute. among the first to arrive at westminster hall the queen consort, the princess of wales and the duchess of sussex traveling by car. witnessing history, thousands watching as the coffin made its way down the political district in whitehall to be passed by the family to the people. members of the army, navy and air force giving a guard of honor to their late commander in chief. the procession finally arriving at the heart of parliament, the ancient westminster hall for a short blessing. >> the lord lift up the light of his countenance upon you and give you peace and the blessing of god almighty, the father, the son and the holy spirit be among you and remain with you always.

amen. >> reporter: then, finally, a chance for mourners, some who had waited overnight, a chance to have their own personal moment and bid farewell to their queen ahead of the state funeral on monday. max foster, cnn, the palace of westminster, london. >> max, thank you very much. i want to bring in now neil atcherson, the author of "stone voices." and selma abdelaziz. hello to one and all. thank you for joining. let me get to nada first. people waiting in the middle of the night to pay their respects. why is this so important? >> absolutely, don. the cue is 2.8 miles long.

it is wrapping all around central london. it is really remarkable. many we have spoken to have said it was simply so important to take part in this opportunity to pay respects for the queen. she wouldn't be able to attend the funeral but she wants to pay her respects. there are stewards and authorities around the area making sure that this is all running in an orderly manner because there are simply so many people. this is running 24 hours for four full days. actually, we've been speaking to one woman here, amy, who's traveled 3 and a half hours from sheffield to join the cue. hello, amy. >> hello. >> reporter: tell me why this is so important to you to take on this cue? >> i think it's such a momentous moment in history. it's really important for the children to pay their respects. when it was reported, lillimae,

she's six, she was asking questions. >> reporter: it was important for you to have the whole family here? >> yes, my mom, my dad, my brother and my sister. this is my little cousin. everyone is here. these are my three children. we took a road trip down, pay our respects and back up to sheffield. carry on. >> it's been a really long journey for you. how many hours have you been in the cue so far? >> we joined the back of the cue at london bridge at 20 past 10 so 5, more than 5 hours. >> reporter: so to you it was worth it? >> definitely. >> reporter: that's the message we've been hearing. it is a historic moment. it's a moment of history they and their families want to be a part of. don? >> oh, my gosh, those kids are in the little wagon there mp

they're so cute. all snuggled up and snoozing. i hope they're staying warm. i want to bring in neil. how do you explain this incredible showing of people who are filing past the coffin, standing in line for hours and they never even knew her. >> almost the whole population was born after she came to the throne. they've never known anything else. she is like part of the -- not the furniture, but she is the house they mentally live in. the loss of her is like a wall suddenly falling out of your room and people felt protected, reassured by her presence, which continuously said, everything's okay. we're going to be all right. nothing really has changed. in reality of course immensely brittain has totally changed. >> totally changed.

they don't know what is next and they're seeing what is going to happen with the new king. let's stick to what is going to happen here today, selma. today was majestic. >> if you can imagine it, don, we haven't seen the full pomp and circumstance of the monarchy. monday is the state funeral and that is the moment we're really going to see it go into full swing of course. the lying in state will be completed at 6:30 that morning on monday. that's four full days for people to pay their respects, to see the coffin, to say their good-byes to the queen. those who haven't made it, you can be sure they're going to tune in to this very orchestrated live television event. we just heard them a short time ago, don, practicing, preparing. what we need to know about this is this has been in preparations for decades, this funeral. the queen herself was involved in these preparations that were signed off by the king.

monday is going to be a momentous, a historical occasion. it concludes with the queen going to her final resting place, windsor castle. st. george's chapel on the grounds of windsor castle. i think this is going to bring a moment of comfort to the family. that's when we'll see the queen reunited with her husband, with her sister, with her parents, with those who she loved so dearly. >> we can hear the band in the background. neil, we are told king charles spoke with multiple leaders today who called to express their condolences. we know this is about mourning, but monday will also be a diplomatic event. >> it will. it it it will be quite reassuring to people who don't know what's going to come next. part of her assurance, brittain still retains its own power in the world. it's almost as if the fallaway of the world power and status

haven't happened at all. the funeral, the gathering and just it will be a reassurance, in many ways a real one. >> there are other members of the royal family outside of the u.k. they will be attending as well? >> yes. we're going to see royal families from all across europe. netherlands, spain, denmark, monaco. i think i can go on and on. what's important to remember, all the royal families in europe are related. they are quite literally attending as family members. alongside presidents, heads of state. this is going to be the largest diplomatic event, one of the largest in a century. this will be an extraordinary moment. heads of state from all over the world convening in one place, westminster abbey. security around this, everything decided down to the second, don. >> you know, neil, i want to

talk about something that you mentioned just a moment ago. you talked about the monarchy, whatever, but the royal family has received such goodwill over the last couple of days. the question is will they be able to hang on to that? because there are a lot of members of the commonwealth countries, i should say, who are looking to get out of the monarchy, not to be a part of it anymore. >> yes, that's right. i think the commonwealth, the descendent, the old british empire has associated itself into a group of independent states. what brittain thinks is a minor matter. the commonwealth itself will continue as a loose -- actually, not very important, amicable formalization into all kinds of other states that are joining which have no traditional

association with brittain at all. >> there are real issues with brittain's colonial history. how much pressure do you think the king is under to address that? >> i think the king is under more pressure perhaps than he rea realizes. how he can retain the authority his mother had because, you know, people -- it's a mixture of skepticism and affection and i think that goes not just for the population of england and scotland, wales, probably it goes for the commonwealth as well. the name of the game is to preserve the reflection and keep the skepticism from rising. >> nada, i know you're out there with the families. i hope the kids in the buggy are

doing well and all the folks out there are staying warm. let's hope the rain holds off. i appreciate your reporting and your talking to the folks and you guys back here, thank you so much. we appreciate it. americans all across the country turning their attention to london as millions mourn queen elizabeth, but what's about to happen to the monarchy? what's about to happen and it is fascinating to see what's up. we're going to discuss that.

it's not just people in london mourning the queen, millions of people all over the world are watching including a whole lot of americans. so what is it about the monarchy that fascinates us? joining me now, shannon felton spe spence and frank verhaska. he is a senior history fellow

and author of the eagle and the crown, americans and the british monarchy. so good to have you on. good to have you both. shannon, americans have been mourning all week long with the u.k. why do you think queen elizabeth was so popular in the united states? >> hi, don. thanks for having me. in many ways queen elizabeth is the story of the 20th century and so the bond that we have with the u.k. largely came about after the second world war and she's sort of our bond to the greatest generation. there's been lots of talk this week about the cue and the length of the cue to view the queen lying in state. it's compared to winston churchill's cue. queen elizabeth ii is the last link to winston churchill, the

blitz era, the blitz era of brittain so to speak. there is something that is so just -- we revere that so much as americans. and the cultural links between us, they're strong. we have the special relationship. we have the very strong alliance and americans are, you know, drawn to the royal family and to the u.k. >> you know, fair and accurate, it seems at odds with american culture to put a monarchy up on a pedestal like this. you literally wrote the book why are americans so fascinated with this family. why are they? >> well, it's been cultivated by the royal family since the 19th century. you must recall the colonists were part of the first british empire. almost all of them were anglosaxans of course. the bonds of what they used to

call law, liberty and language were crucial in cementing the relationship between the americans and british public. but the british monarchy, using the foreign office as well, has made so many visits. the queen, i can't remember how many visits she's made, quite a few. she came to philadelphia in 1776 and that was a momentous occasion when she praised the founding fathers. it's interesting that in america queen victoria was called america's queen. this was a very common usage. and the jubilees of 1887 and 1897 were widely celebrated in the united states. so it's not by accident. there are so many similarities between the two cultures. in fact, you could say that prit tan is a disguised republic while america is a disguised monarchy. this is a theme i've played around with for years. there are differences. the americans have combined the

function of the executive with the sovereign function. the executive and the sovereign si to be combined. this was a terrible mistake by the founding fathers in my view and that's the general view of constitutional historians. you have to admire your president when he's on foreign tours but you may hate him domestically as president. it's caused confusion in american minds. they can look to brittain and see that it works quite effectively. >> you know, i have to say, shannon, i think that maybe the fascination by americans may be trailing off a bit. maybe there's a resurgence with meagan and harry but it's a new era with king charles at the helm. he's not nearly as popular as his mother. he's not as popular really as his sons. do you think people still have a bad taste left over from his divorce with princess diana and will that matter? >> so recently the association

of marshall scholars ran a poll with emerson college. what they were trying to assess was american's perceptions of the u.k. it was before the queen's passing. quite timely though, they added in a question for the next generation, how important will the british monarchy be to u.s. and u.k. relations. stunningly, 64% of americans between the ages of 18 to 34 said it will be just as important or more important and 71% of 35-year-olds to 49-year-olds, americans, said it will be just as important or more important. when you consider that just as important was gauged with queen elizabeth ii, that's quite striking. i think the new prince and princess of wales have done quite a bit to infuse some energy and some contemporary understanding of the monarchy

for american audiences and i actually think that king charles is going to be fine. i think that cultural connection will keep us strong. those poll numbers, i think they really speak for themselves. >> wow. frank, americans are raised on disney princess movies. they've watched the royals from afar. there are movies and tv shows and novels all about past and present royals. how much of the monarchy is about a person and how much is about the institution? >> well, i think monarchy is the fount of celebrity. most americans who talk about celebrity culture go back to louie xiv and the royal family of course is part of that celebrity culture. the first visit by a brit, a royal was edward vii in 1860. he was mobbed wherever he went. he was the most eligible bachelor in the world of course.

andrew viii as prince of wales in the 1920s was cultivated. they seemed to put special in the event. members have an historic association. they're not just passing people from the media world. they have a history behind them. that makes them all the more beguilings as celebrities. i think the young royals, harry and william, they're very popular. there's no reason to believe there's going to be a diminishing interest in the monarchy ain the united states. >> frank, shannon, thank you very much. i appreciate it. the magafication is only beginning. half cast doubt on the 2020 election. how will they fare in the general election come november? we'll discuss next. senses and effortlessly

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generation z candidate caroline leavitt winning her primary. former trump aide under press secretary kayleigh maccanany. i want to bring in my panel. lots of names here. i'm going, who are these people. i'm sure people at home are going, who are these people but people in the district and the republican party, they know. so good to have both of you on. margaret, let's start with the new new hampshire gop senate primary. election denier dan baldic beating state senate president chuck morse. nonmaga supporters are worried. even governor chris sununu said he was not a serious candidate. i mean, what do you think about baldic's victory and the republican chances in november?

>> well, it's significantly diminished the republican chances in november. basically based on historic -- just the historic press department of two terms or two years into the first cycle into a president of the office of party's term, there was a wave going for republicans, which has been blunted by the quality of candidates that have been chosen selected by the republican base and frankly by the overturning of roe v. wade and the dobbs decision. what you're seeing, don, place this in the larger context of what was the tradition of moderate northeastern republicans that had always been more moderate on social issues and stood apart from southern conservatives and western conser conservatives. what you've seen is the trumpification up and down the

ballot even in states that used to yield moderate republicans. you see this, one quick last point, in the neighboring state of massachusetts and maryland where the two most popular governors in the country were larry hogan and charlie baker. republican governors of blue states. and they can't even endorse the candidates who have been nominated to replace them because they endorse trump's lies and are so part of representing the maga banner. >> i want to get to other candidates so i want you to respond, alice. you've also got this gen zer, caroline leavitt. she ran against matt nowers. she went in and mimicked trump's

brash style and supported his election lie. does this prove that you have to fully embrace everything trump? >> she's exactly right in terms of winning a primary. the other congressional candidate in new hampshire also was a trump-endorsed candidate that was very far to the right. that's terng to me. look, what is formula to date for many people to win a primary is not a winning formula for a general election. look, we need to go from the magafication of the gop to the modification of the gop. we need to appeal not just to the base but the moderate. they're not interested in election deniers and conspiracy theorists. they want people that will call out inflation and fight crime. we've got about eight weeks to go before mid-term elections and republicans need to spend every waking moment campaigning on issues that are important to the people of their district and of this country and that is the

next eight weeks, four words need to come out of the republicans' mouths. day in and day out. that is economy and crime and economy and crime over and over and over. no more talking about grievances of the past. no more talk about election problems. not just what's going to bring about the base but the moderate, suburban voters, many have strayed from the republican party. >> margaret, i've got to ask you. you talked about old school fiscally or socially conservative republican, small government, that sort of thing. how much does a maga takeover of the gop really snuffing out this old style version of a republican? >> entirely. it has entirely snuffed it out. i mean, there's no diversity in the gop. when it comes to gop primary the trump endorsement is all that matters. by the way, that's not a uniform policy. it's not clear what those ideas are. remember, in 2020 when donald trump was running for

re-election, there was no party platform. literally. trump just said i am the platform. yeah, the northeastern tradition, right, which was -- it wasn't necessarily as fiscally conservative as people like william f. buckley jr. would have preferred, it was moderate socially and it was, you know, strong on national community, anticommunist. all of the movement, the differences and fak 1ctionfacti brought it together in a unifying coalition have been decimated by donald trump's personality and his requirement that republicans adhere to his lies, his conspiracy theories and his cultive personality. >> alice mentioned they'd like to talk about other things in the region. your time is short at the night

because of what we covered at the top of the show, we went long with it, doj, subpoenas, mark meadows. that's it for you guys. we'll be right back. >> thanks, don. >> thanks, don. a little easier. (moo) mabel says for you, it's more like 5:15. man: mom, really? - custom shirts help people feel like they're part of a team. my name is timothy chi, and i'm the ceo of weddingwire. we're very proud customers of custom ink. we keep coming back to custom ink because of the quality of product, the customer service and the ease of use. that moment you walk in the office and people are wearing the same gear, you feel a sense of connectedness and belonging right away. and our shirts from custom ink help bring us together. - [announcer] custom ink has hundreds of products to help you feel connected. upload your logo, or start your design today, at customink.com

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hello and a warm welcome to our viewers joining us in the united states and all around the world. i'm becky anderson joining us live from central london overlooking the palace of westminster. it is 9:00 in the morning and thousands of people lining up to pay their respects to queen elizabeth ii. >> live from cnn headquarters in atlanta, i'm rosemary church with the latest on the war in