be allowed to impact administration justice. well they got a special master and the proposed scene judge raymond dearie for the job in they got him. and they got a review well past the midterm elections. today haven't gotten what they wanted they were called on to do something that notably not done in any court filing or any proceeding so far, mainly back up what their client and their allies have been saying that these documents were declassified. in so many words, prove it. the government today they signaled a willingness to take this all the way to the supreme court. there's a lot to get to tonight. cnn's jessica starts it off. she's been following developments and starts it off. let's talk more about what the trump legal team told the special master. >> what's interesting is their

response to that ultimatum from the special master. when he said he might have no choice but to accept the government's claims that 100 of those documents are classified, if trump's team doesn't step up with the proof that the former president declassified them. and that's really something that trump's legal team has resisted repeatedly asserting both in person and in court and in legal filings. so we saw a filing last night and they said that they might have to save any evidence of declassification to use it as a defense if trump is indicted, and then today in court, trump 's attorney jim trusty, he said that the legal team, they haven't seen the documents yet so they can't fully address the declassification issue. so really, they are dodging this question at every turn and really anderson, they have gotten themselves into someone of thorny situation here. the special master is saying he needs proof or else he will believe of the government. >> in a separate related but in it's the 11th circuit of appeals in florida, the trump legal team filed its response

to justice department's appeal of the ruling that green lit the special master in the first place. -- what's the latest on a part of the case? >> we are waiting for word at any moment from the 11th circuit about what is next in the appeal. of course, the doj is asking for those two things. they want to resume using the classified documents in what's an ongoing criminal case. they also want to stop the special master in trump's legal team from even seeing those illegal classified documents. so time is of the essence in that regard. trump's team actually sent a response today. they said that the appeals court should not go for the government here they. said the government does not need to block documents, they don't need to resume using them, and so they're saying that the 11th circuit should reject the appeal. interestingly, anderson, in their filing, trump's lawyers are continuing to cast doubt on whether those documents or even classified. but what has become a trend here, they refused to offer any proof. so we'll see how quickly the 11th circuit acts, since the

special master's review is already moving full steam ahead here. >> so if they lose their appeal on the 11th circuit court of appeals, how likely is it that they take it to the supreme court, and what kind of timetable that involved? >> very likely it would go to the supreme court. the doj arguing for the doj today said very plainly that the special master if they lose in the 11th circuit to trump's team, that this will be appealed. that means it could move to the next to the supreme court. how quickly is a big question. the nine justices could step in very quickly, they could sit on it a while, but given this case involves those classified documents in his feud that could now be up for review by special master, i think it's likely the 11th circuit will move quickly here and if doj loses or if either side appeals, then ultimately the supreme court would move pretty fast too if it gets to that point. >> jessica schneider appreciate it. joining us is jonathan miller cnn's chief -- and intelligence analysis.

he is among other accomplishments, -- counterterrorism for the cnn counterterrorism. and cnn council carrie cordero, former counsel to the assistant attorney general for national security. carey, lots to talk. about it's a little bit confusing for folks who haven't been following. when you make of trump's team refusing today to go on the record today in front of the special master with their claims about declassification or not of documents? >> i think the difficulty for them anderson is that they are just right now as far as we know there doesn't seem to be evidence that there really was a declassification. there doesn't seem to be an actual document, either before the fact or after the fact, that they would be able to present indicating that the former president had declassified the documents. the documents themselves, based on the photo that was released by the fbi search, retains its classification markings, so that cuts against the argument that the documents were actually declassified, and there's been nobody who has

come forth in their pleadings or with their witness testimony or anyone they have been willing to offer under oath who's willing to go on record and say that there actually was a declassification either before or recorded, memorialized after the fact. so it doesn't seem like they actually have facts upon which to make that argument. and i think they are in this difficult position arguing about classification, when really the justification that they offer for requesting a special master to begin with had to do with issues of executive privilege and attorney client privilege, not classified information at all. >> and john, if there was declassification by a president, there would be some sort of paper trail? other agencies at the very least, even if the president used a special wand that he invented, other agencies would've where that down, he was the want, and now these documents are no longer classified. >> exactly right.

a former president cannot classify or declassify anything. if he did it when he was president, he would have to give that instruction to someone in the white house to then notify the agency that produced that document. this is unclassified. so far there is zero evidence that any of that ever happened. >> so how concerned would intelligence in officials be, folks at the fbi who want to continue this investigation are being hamstrung about the delay in their ability to actually use these documents, to look at them investigate them and even to protect any assets overseas or anywhere who may be damaged by them? >> there is so much there. first of all, the fbi is concerned that there are 40 cover sheets from secret to top secret and other classifications that didn't have documents inside them. where are those documents? are some of those the documents that were separated from the cover sheet that are part of those 100? but by not being able by the court's order to continue their

investigation by reviewing those documents, the clock gets stopped on that. the other question is, who saw those documents? how did they get to mar-a-lago? they come in that moving truck that arrived on january 20th? were they handled by people who are completely not cleared to handle them? were they seen by people? to the foreign service get an employee in mar-a-lago with a lock pick and go through this? all of that is part of the potential damage asssement and the investigation that has been halted. >> carrie, all the talk about whether documents have been classified is obviously why the stakes are so high. how much does that actually matter to the government's case? does the law prohibiting government records make a distinction between classified deep non classified? >> there are different parts that the justice department is investigating. the investigation part that is part of the espionage statues, the mishandling of national defense information, that provision what they're

investigating, generally pertains to classified information. but there also is the retention of government documents. the archive's ability to get back to documents is gnarled. so the -- so the former president holding on to these documents was not okay from perspective upholding onto former documents. in my judgment, it's the classified nature of the documents though, anderson, that prompted the physical search at mar-a-lago. i have a hard time believing that they would've gone to those lengths had there not been these national security things at play. >> but where the loggerheads if trump's lawyers say for whatever reason we're not gonna produce the information of the declassification, how does that get resolved? does the judge then rule that you'll have to show something or we're going with what the department of justice is saying? >> the default is that the judiciary would defer to the executive branch anyway, so there's no reason why judge dearie in this circumstance should depart from that anyway, absent any kind of evidence to

begin with. but the normal process is that the judiciary branch, refers to the executive branch on matters of classification that would've been judge dearie's process when he was a district court judge, that would've been his process when he was a fisa court judge. >> if you're in the intelligence community, john, you're seeing the fbi and the doj getting hung up, how concerned must they be about the ability to mitigate any damage to overseas intelligence? >> the intelligence community hates this whole thing. they hated how classified documents were handled in the trump white house, not just after he was president, where they were left around and it was hard to keep track of who had them or who had seen them. lots of people who work in the white house don't even have top secret clearance. they are appalled at the idea that it was suggested by a judge that the special master should determine what's classified, because as carrie

said, that's something for the intelligence community and the executive branch, not the judiciary. they're upset at the idea that now a cotorie of lawyers are asking to have access to these documents, and others. these are very tightly held secrets. once you bring in this kind of crowd and debate, they're getting less and less secret. and that's putting the techniques that we used to find these secrets in jeopardy. and the human beings who turned over the secrets oversee endanger. >> as you said, mar-a-lago is a club. all you gotta do is pay a couple hundred thousand dollars, and any shady carrying in do, it or get a job there. and we know the former president has a history of hiring people dubious documentation. so, john miller thank you very much, carrie cordero, thank you very much. late today we learned the generous sex select committee next moment the 28th of this month. jamie benn thompson through broke the bond said barring any developed this will be the last meeting. join us as maryland congressman jamie raskin.

he serves as well on the oversight committee which has an interesting mar-a-lago case. congressman, appreciate you being here for us. what's your reaction to how this fight over the mar-a-lago documents is playing out in court? particularly that the trump trump legal team will not actually go on record with the former president claims of declassifying the documents? >> well, i don't want to speculate, but i have to imagine that people don't want to add perjury to the list of offenses he has to deal with. as john bolton publicly speculated, it's almost certainly a lie that donald trump had somehow attempted to declassify, before in prior cases of declassification there have been some sort of executive order or memorandum, and there's just no evidence to support it. it's also pretty much irrelevant to the offenses he's being investigated for. you know, like obstruction of justice, like concealment of evidence or concealment of military defence secrets.

it doesn't have to be classified information. so it might not be relevant at all and it's almost certainly fanciful on the part of the former president. >> as we mentioned, the house oversight committee, a week ago the committee sent a letter to the national archives asking for an assessment asking whether the rainy presidential records still accounted for in the former president's possession. you have any more information on that? >> no new information on that. >> john miller earlier was saying in those photographs at the justice department has that there are sleeves notifying which would contain indicated they contain classified information, which are empty. do you know what that means exactly? is that just those documents were elsewhere? or those documents are missing?

>> yeah, i think that is part of the mystery of that case. of course, our select committee on the january 6th attack is not interested in all of these crimes related, potential crimes related to the pilfering of information and concealment of evidence and so on. we are focused on the january six events and the causes behind them. to the extent that things surface in that mar-a-lago investigation that bear upon our investigation, and of course we would be interested. but it looks like in classic donald trump manner, let's just a completely set of crimes. >> in terms of the january six committee's investigation, we learn late today they'll be a hearing next wednesday and supposedly going to be the last. can you talk about what the focus may be? will there be live witnesses appear appearing before the committee? and will it be the last?

>> well, i think it's very likely to be our last investigative fact finding hearing. there could be a final hearing on the legislative recommendations by the committee, but that's not been decided yet. but we feel as if we have come to the end of our work, but there are a bunch of loose ends we can tie up here. we think we've got very strong evidences to the different elements of the attempt to overthrow the 2020 presidential election, and we're gonna try to lock that in. in our final hearing. i'm also very interested in the whole question raised by one of our prior witnesses, judge luttig, to what extent we still face a clear and present danger to democratic institutions.

i think that most if not all of us that that clear and present danger is still out there and that we really need to fortify democratic institutions against the threat of coups, insurrections, political violence and systematic electoral sabotage. >> congressman raskin, appreciate it. thank you. coming up next, what new video reveals about the 2020 georgia fake elector who claims she wasn't quote personally involved unquote in a breach of data system that is part of a criminal probe. and later, the migrants who flew from texas to massachusetts, and what another group of migrants said they were offered to get on a plane. e more you save like rachel here how am i looking? looking good! the most cautious driver we got am i there? no keep going how's that? i'll say when now? is that good? lots of cars have backup cameras now you know those are for amateurs there we go like a glove, girl

(phone chimes) safe driving and drivewise can save you 40% with allstate click or call for a quote today new astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish] discover is accepted at 99% of places in the u.s. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish] this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. fasenra is not a rescue medication or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra may cause allergic reactions. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth and tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments

unless your doctor tells you to. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection or your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. ask your doctor about fasenra. a is for awareness, because knowing that your chronic kidney disease in type 2 diabetes could progress to dialysis is important. b is for belief that there may be more you can do. just remember that k is for kidneys and kerendia. for adults living with ckd in type 2 diabetes, kerendia is proven to reduce the risk of kidney failure, which can lead to dialysis. kerendia is a once-daily tablet that treats ckd differently than type 2 diabetes medications to help slow the progression of kidney damage and reduce the risk of cardiovascular events, such as heart attacks. do not take kerendia if you have problems with your adrenal glands or take certain medications called cyp3a4 inhibitors. kerendia can cause hyperkalemia, which is high potassium levels in your blood. ask your doctor before taking products containing potassium. kerendia can also cause low blood pressure and low sodium levels. so now that you know your abcs,

remember, k is for kidneys, and if you need help slowing kidney damage, ask your doctor about kerendia.

we're carvana the company who invented car vending machines and buying a car 100 percent online now we've created a brand new way for you to sell your car whether it's a year old, or a few years old we want to buy your car so go to carvana enter your license plate answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your car's value and gives you a real offer in seconds when you're ready we'll come to you pay you on the spot and pick up your car that's it so ditch the old way of selling your car and say hello to the new way at carvana new developments tonight in a store the began the day after some supporters out the of the president stormed the capitol. january seven, 2021 access voting system did in kofi county, georgia was comments relents video.

two weeks ago, when we first reported the story, one of the people concavity done i'd any personal involvement. tonight new video appears to undermine that claim. here's a report. >> the newly-obtained surveillance video shows a republican county official and a team of operatives working for trump attorney sydney powell inside a restricted area of the local elections office in coffee county, georgia. this is sort of a former gop chairwoman of coffee county, was under criminal investigation for posing as a fake elector in 2020. although she can be shown escorting the team in, she previously claimed she was not personally involved in the breach. but the video appears to undercut that claim. showing her inside, as a team over vulcan operatives working on computers near election equipment proceed to access voting data. scott hall, and atlanta bail bondsmen in fulton county pull

water is when the people who spent hours inside the restricted area. and in on audio obtained by cnn, all later described what he did. >> i'm the guy the charted the jet to go down to coffee county to have them inspect all of those computers. and i've heard zero. okay, i went down and we scanned every freaking ballot, and they scanned all the equipment, imaged all the hard drive, scanned every single ballot. >> the georgia secretary of state's office calls what happened in coffee county criminal behavior, and a state criminal investigation is underway. election experts say the damage could be even bigger than the illegal accessing of voting equipment in georgia and other parts of the country. these operatives may be undermining the security of elections in the future. >> in most cases to complete a

successful attack you need physical access to the machines, and so these efforts to unlawfully gain access to the machines opens up a new threat that we haven't seen in the past. >> and the video shows the access to this restricted elections office went on for weeks. people connected to efforts to overturn election results kept showing up. new video shows an i. t. specialist working with election deniers named jeffrey lindbergh entering the restricted area nearly two weeks before the initial breach. lindberg is under criminal investigation by a special prosecutor in michigan in a series of voting system breaches there. in a recent interview, he said he didn't personally breach the machines in what he called testing. >> all the testing, all the equipment was operated by the local certified election officials there. we didn't touch it.

andrew griffin joins us now. do we know what kind of data may have been compromised and what these people may have done with it? >> we don't know what they've done with it, we do know it was compromised. in that is as they said in that report and what we've heard from various depositions, they scanned everything, anderson. the voting system software, the ballots, how these machines work, what they were planning to do with it we don't know, what they were looking for, we sort of know. they were looking for any evidence that in this small, rural, mostly republican county, they were looking for any discrepancy in the vote so they could challenge the entire state of georgia's votes. they obviously didn't find it. the woman who let them in, probably sympathetic, was that kathy latham, she's the republican county chair person down there, or was, she let them through the door. despite even today's report, her attorney is adamant that she did nothing wrong, in fact sending us a statement saying, miss latham has not acted improperly or illegally. anderson, we're gonna find out

there's plenty of investigations here in georgia and other swing states where these breached teams did this very same activity. >> drew griffin, thank you, appreciate it. i want to get perspective from christopher krebs, the government's top cybersecurity expert at the time. he said that the 2020 election was not rigged and you got fired. chris, you called the 2020 election the most secure in history, after that you mentionrf that president trump fired you. what is your reaction seeing this new footage of partisan political operatives being given access to restricted areas, sensitive election machines, and data? >> well, anderson first off, it was not just the most secure, it was the most litigated, it was the most scrutinized, it was the most audited election in american history. those claims continue to hold up. the concern here, where you have local election officials opening up systems to basically run through them. we know who the people are who

are accessing them, but they are no in no way qualified to look at election systems forensically or otherwise. if the local election officials had concerns, their responsibility, their duty was to contact the secretary of state brad raffensperger, who, by the way, was a republican much like the county leadership. or you call law enforcement. or call the georgia bureau of investigation or other attorneys general. their claims don't hold water, and my greatest concern here is that perhaps we are under reacting for what was a multi-state unauthorized, unconstitutional access to election systems. and to the prior pointby the protect democracy legal representative, is yes we have systems that had we fully uncovered the degree of access, and those systems need to be verified all over once again. >> is there any innocuous reason to grant physical access to such a sensitive site to a bail bondsmen and other associates of sydney powell?

>> not that i can think of, no, of course not. again, there are processes in place and the duty is to contact the appropriate law enforcement official and the relevant state authority. again, that is the secretary of state in atlanta. >> what i don't understand is how does something like this even happen? i know the michigan office during that time period, we just heard in drew's report, the woman who's been named as the primary point of contact for arranging the visit, the coffee county gop chair kathy latham, or former chair, who is also under criminal investigation for posing as a fake elector during 2020, is it really that easy, when this a breach voting systems, what does that really mean? >> well, they had physical access, so they could tap into the systems through whatever ports that were available. you stick usb drives in the system, they can also open them

up and access some of the memory, or otherwise. the unfortunate thing is that the coffee county election official, or the republican party official, was a victim here. i know that sounds crazy, but she was conned. she fell into the grift that the former president started the summer before the election, and that other hangers on, including sydney powell and others, continued to amplify. a great story out of the washington post today about the influence ecosystem that emanated out of the false election claims. the grift continues. they make money on a daily basis basis on this nonsense. >> you're saying the grift continues by giving lectures, having symposiums that people come and pay money to get a card to make them a secret super operative, like you used to get in a comic book? >> well, that's actually the more innocuous or innocent aspect of it.

i think the greatest peril to democracy right now is candidates for statewide office like doug mastriano in pennsylvania, who continues to talk about decertifying the election. a great interview with the secretary of state republican candidate in arizona, mark finchem, who talked about if in the event that joe biden, if he ran again in 2024 and he won the state, would he certify? he remarked that that would be a fantasyland. we are way, way through the looking glass here and i have significant concerns about those that are in positions of responsibility and accountability that may be elected in 22 actually delivering for democracy in 24. christopher krebs, great have you on, thank you so much. >> just ahead, last, week is florida governor ron desantis flying migrants to martha's vineyard. today, a texas sheriff says there's plans for a flight much

closer to home for president biden. details on that possible flight next. and then a look by cnn's ed lavandera about where these migrants are being told where they are being sent. and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. new projects means new project managers. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. when you sponsor a job, you immediately get your shortlist of quality candidates, whose resumes on indeed match your job criteria. visit indeed.com/hire and get started today. [sfx: stomach gurgling] it's nothing... sounds like something. ♪ when you have nausea, heartburn, indigestion, ♪ ♪ upset stomach, diarrhea. ♪ pepto bismol coats and soothes for fast relief...

when you need it most. [ coughing/sneezing ] [ door knocking ] dude, you coming? because the only thing dripping should be your style! plop plop fizz fizz, winter warriors with alka-seltzer plus cold & flu relief.

(driver 1) it's all you. (driver 2) no, i insist. (driver 1) it's your turn. (burke) get farmers and you could save money with the safe driver discount just by having a clean driving record for three years. get a whole lot of something with farmers policy perks. (driver 3) come on! ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪

democratic sheriff in texas conducting a criminal investigation on how migrants in san antonio were flown to martha's vineyard last week. he told cnn that possibility of a summer flight, this time to

president biden's home state of delaware, was postponed at the last moment. florida's governor ron desantis has spent months teasing that they would send to markets to delaware, among other places. he and others -- like the governor texas, says recent flights and busloads of migrants are visible protests of what they say the bidens initiations ineffective border policy,. -- >> migrants being sent to delaware the many kilometer? response >> i do i will shortly. >> more now from cnn's ed lavandera who's in san antonio. >> the streets around the city run migrant shelter in san antonio are confusing and overwhelming for hundreds of migrants who have crossed the border seeking asylum and have stepped into the swamp of american immigration politics. we met these men, one from cuba,

the other from venezuela. they'd heard about the plane florida governor ron desantis sent here to move some 50 migrants out of texas last week. they told us they had just been offered a similar deal on monday. >> of course he says, we were told there would be plenty of work and not so many migrants. >> they offered you a flight to another state beaded nowhere was going to be? >> yes >> he says they pulled up next to us in beautiful trucks. they offered his hotel rooms with a pool and a gift card for food, and they told us they could take us on a flight where we will be taken to a refuge. they rejected the offer because they said it felt strange. attorneys for some of the dozens of migrants transported from texas to martha's vineyard have filed a class action lawsuit against florida governor ron desantis in federal court, claiming they were deprived of their liberty

and due process over an unlawful goal and a personal political agenda. this, after the bexar county sheriff in texas says his office is opening a criminal investigation into the matter. >> if in fact these people were lied to, like they said they were, and if they were top and taken under false pretenses to another part of the country, it could qualify as a human trafficking case. >> even though the migrants weren't in his state, florida ron governor ron desantis has claimed responsibility for sending them to massachusetts, and defended the process tuesday, saying those migrants were treated poorly by the biden administration. >> they were hungry, homeless, they had no opportunity at all. state of florida, it was volunteer offered transport to sanctuary jurisdictions, because it's our view that one, the border should be secure, and we want to have biden reinstitute policies like remain in mexico and making sure that people aren't overwhelming. >> state budget records show that the florida department of paid 950,000 taxpayer dollars

to vertal systems, an aviation company based in florida. days after, migrants were flown to martha's vineyard. according to the texas governor's office, more than 8000 migrants have been bussed from texas to washington, d. c. and 675 to chicago. and 2600 migrants to new york, a number that's expected to climb. >> i think the governor of texas and others are at fault for creating this man-made humanitarian crisis. >> and cnn's ed lavandera joins us now. as we mentioned earlier, the rumblings about a possible flight carrying migrants to president biden's home state of delaware. is it clear what happened there? >> not exactly clear what is happened. we've been trying to chase that down all day. we just know that what from what we can tell so far, it did not materialize. >> ed lavandera, appreciated. thanks. just ahead coauthors of the

story the big truth state of our democracy where it's headed next. penetrates and hydrates to rejuvenate surface cells; so, skin looks firmer over time. with olay body, i feel fearless in my skin. [zoom call] ...pivot... work bye. vacation hi! book with priceline. 'cause when you save more, you can “no way!” more. no wayyyy. no waaayyy! no way! [phone ringing] hm. no way! no way! priceline. every trip is a big deal.

she was supposed to be the one. i used to believe in the one. and then i realized, there's plenty of savings in the sea. what? amazon has daily deals, so every day is a chance to meet the deal that catches your eye, that shakes your soul, that changes your destiny. i'm gonna go check on those tater tots. learn all the ways to save with amazon. new astepro allergy. now available without a prescription. astepro is the first and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. striving to reach the ultimate goal of zero poverty takes more than everyone's hopes and dreams. at citi, it takes a financial commitment to companies who empower people to lift themselves up. it takes funding and building on our know-how to help communities grow.

that's how citi is helping create a better future by committing one trillion dollars in sustainable finance by 2030. because it takes everything to reach zero poverty. ♪ ♪

early in the program we talk to congressman jamie raskin he

sits in the january six committee impossible final hearing in eight days. so the very interested in what he says is the clear and present danger to democratic institutions. and how to fortify them, systematic electoral sabotage. it's also the topic of a fascinating new book. my guest is major garrett, the chief washington correspondent for cbs news, and david becker of the center for election innovation and research. they are co-authors of the big truth, rebuilding democracy in the age of lies. major, i mean, you spent a lot of time outside the beltway to look at what's happening in states across the country. how concerned are you about the vulnerabilities? >> so, i talk to election officials and we talked to election officials, that's david's life work. but, i've sort of become intensely fascinate by this part of american democracy of the last two years. and there are two levels of concern, one, that there is a substantial portion of our country that no longer trust

elections unless they're side winds. that's a deeply flawed perspective on american democracy, very dangerous. and the other is that that skepticism or outright hostility manifests itself in violence, in the midterm elections or in 2024, or just continued harassment of people who used to be viewed as what they are, their neighbors. elections in america are magnificently decentralized and localized. we think there was a conspiracy in the 2020 election, that means your neighbor was a conspiratorial. that's not true. we all know that deep in our hearts, and in the well of our souls as americans. we know that. and that's what they're worried about. >> and yet, as you document in the book, there is an industry, there is a lot of money being made by people, you look at a lot of people who are out there on television, it has seen for many of them to be a grift, they are actually profiting off of this. >> right, and the sad thing is the targets of that drift are the supporters of the former president, of a losing presidential candidate. the people who, including the

farm present him self, are targeting their own supporters and telling them a web of lies about the security of the 2020 election, which we document in the book, was the most secure, transparent, and verified election in american history. >> you used to write in the book that you have quote, deep but not debilitating fears. has anything that has happened between fishing the book and now that has made your fears deeper, or any last debilitating, or more debilitating? >> my fear is a little bit deeper, right now. in particular, around the potential for political violence. i think the election officials are going to run a very good election. i think we are very likely to have a very high turnout. for most voters, they're going to find the voting process to be really convenient. we talk a lot about the problems in voting. but 99% of voters have no problem in voting whatsoever. but, there is a strong possibility, given some kind it it's all around the country, that if they lose, they might claim election theft which will then incite their followers to, in the period of time after the

lecture engagement. >> how did things get better? what are the steps that are necessary? >> so, one of the remedies is to back away from what we described as a new abyss in our cultural civic life. and that abyss's elections only our ligament if my side winds. if we, on any level, continue to go down this road, and if the other party, and i'm not saying it would be, because this is primarily a problem with a certain factor in the republican party, but if democrats, on different bases, or to say the same things about elections, then we live in a country where the legitimacy that elections confer on our elected leaders disappears. and with it, the very foundations of democracy. >> so how do you fix it when you have, we know, in the upcoming, you know, midterms in states, you have people running to be election officials who are election deniers? >> well, i think one thing that is happening right now that is a reason for some optimism is

finally it looks like there might be some accountability for those who have engaged in criminal conduct. at the state level, at the federal level, whether it's the investigation going on with the department of justice, or from the january 6th select committee, or even in fulton county, georgia. >> and i would have an impact, you would think? >> i think it will. i think we need to hold people accountable for their actions in inciting violence, in conspiring to commit a coup against united states. and i think we are moving in that direction. and we need to further support the election officials, that's the really important part here. they feel as if they are not being adequately supported unprotected right now. and they've done a remarkable job. they are really heroes over democracy. we need to watch out for that in the next few months. >> and i would urge voters to use, as a litmus test, republicans gonna primary say the election was stolen, but in the general elections say, i'm really not so sure. that means they're perpetrating a hoax within their own party based on a lie, and then trying to absolve themselves of telling that lie, simply become the party's nominee.

that is a nasty and deeply dangerous way to try to assume and collect and hold political power. >> major garrett, david backer, it is the story of our time, the big truth. maintaining the, time really appreciate it. >> thank you, anderson. >> again, the big truth, upholding democracy in the age of the big lie, essential reading. up next, we take you to intense fighting on the frontlines of putin's war in ukraine, seeing how russian forces are trying to close in on a city in eastern ukraine, and also how russia could be taking a first step to annex parts of the country. you're never responsible for unauthorized purchases on your discover card. welcome to allstate where the safer you drive, the more you save like rachel here how am i looking? looking good! the most cautious driver we got am i there? no keep going how's that? i'll say when now? is that good? lots of cars have backup cameras now you know

those are for amateurs there we go like a glove, girl (phone chimes) safe driving and drivewise can save you 40% with allstate click or call for a quote today president biden signed the inflation reduction act into law this afternoon. ok, so what exactly does it mean for you? out of pocket costs for drugs will be capped. for seniors, insulin will be just $35. families will save $2,400 on health care premiums. energy costs, down an average of $1,800 a year for families. and it's paid for by making the biggest corporations pay what they owe. president biden's bill doesn't fix everything, but it will save your family money.

with directv i can get live tv and on demand together: football, housewives, football, housewives... whoops. i just want to talk! get your tv together. call 1-800-directv to save up to $120.

prop 27 sends 90% of profits to out-of-state corporations in places like new york and boston. no wonder it's so popular... out there. yeah! i can't believe those idiots are going to fall for this. 90%! hey mark, did you know california is sending us all their money? suckers. -those idiots! [ laughter ] imagine that, a whole state made up of suckers. vote no on 27. it's a terrible deal for california. we win. you lose.

in the coming days in ukraine, moscow put leaders in four occupied areas, planning to hold referendums on joining russia. possible step for annexation when they could escalate the war. after the united nations ukraine's defiant foreign minister denounced the effort, saying will not change anything, a calling it a sham. night cnn's nick paton walsh gives us a look at a battle for key city in ukraine, where russia forces are trying to settle in, ukrainian forces are fighting here's his report. >> the mood here is black and

old, from a time past, ukraine didn't feel it was winning, taking heavy losses and struggling to hold on. but the russian enemy is something new. >> this is the very front line with russian positions literally 100 meters away from where i am standing. >> the kremlin really wants the city of bakhmut, so here on its edges, it is sent ruthless groceries from the wagner group to fight. the shelling endless. we are taken up their vantage point from where they see the wagner fighters rush at them, leaving the ukrainians to open fire. >> it's just over there. they say the russian wagner mercenaries appear to try to run at them, exposing ukrainian positions, so the russian artillery can hit where they are. >> the field between them

charred and pockmarked. they're almost eyeball to eyeball. the next attack is imminent. we can see a mortar unit, the drone operator says, they're preparing to fire at us. down in a shelter, the commander says they have captured russian convicts who recruited to fight. >> it was get shot or surrender for the convict he says. wagner acts professionally, not like usual infantry units. shells continue to land all around them. >> bakhmut is a mess. russia edging towards it, but not inside. prepared for street to street fighting and meanwhile torn to pieces. the losses are heavy, and expose positions around the city, particularly here. russia's invasion tearing through the green treasured

land it claims to covet. >> what do they want bakhmut so much? >> they retreated elsewhere, many to victory, some insignificant they set, so they throw forces here. of course we have casualties. not today in our unit be can't avoid dead or wounded. i lost my close friend five days after we came here. there are still many people here, buying a lot of nataliya 's potatoes. we sold half a ton today, she says, who knows where the shooting is coming from or going. don't be scared, she said. 24 hours later, a ukrainian artillery is hitting positions on the city's edge amid reports russia has gotten closer. much fresh smoke, and it's always hard to know what moscow thought it was hitting. walking home with a squeaky

wheel and food is maria, back to her son. silence and terror in turn enveloping the city. >> nick paton walsh joins us now from kremerotorsk, ukraine. are these calls for referendums having any impact on the front line? >> we'll see that in the days ahead, anderson. was talking about process that the only outcome will be number the -- they don't see it is democratic, it's under military law under war coniditions. but it seems by monday or tuesday, moscow will declare what they have conquered basically here in ukraine in ukraine as part of the russian federation, if what we heard today is to be believed. a lot of expectation tonight, possibly early this morning, that we might hear from russian president vladimir putin possibly outlining some new

measures, maybe to endorse the referendum themselves. what do they do, these referenda? potentially, they allow moscow to act like parts of ukraine that they've conquered are actually part of russia. does that mean they can send different types of troops? more troops, given their man power struggles get towards the fight? does that enable them to reach deeper into the last conventional parts to fight this war that they're losing? we'll see that ahead certainly, but it also put some pressure on the ukrainian front lines here as well, to perhaps take more territory as quickly as they can, and perhaps disrupt the referendum in the fall days ahead. so i think we are in for a particularly tense weekend, as it seems that both sides are looking at the clock ahead of these sham votes. >> nick paton walsh, appreciate it, incredible reporting. still ahead, hurricane fiona now a powerful category three storm. it's been battling turks and

because, after causing extensive damage in puerto rico. we'll tell you where the storm is coming up, next. innovation electrified. with apple music seamlessly integrated. the all-new, all-electric eqs suv from mercedes-benz.

my active psoriatic arthritis can slow me down. now, skyrizi helps me get going by treating my skin and joints. along with significantly clearer skin, skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after two starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi, 90% clearer skin and less joint pain is possible. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine, or plan to. with skyrizi, there's nothing like the feeling

of improving my skin and joints... ...and that means everything. now's the time to talk to your doctor about how skyrizi can help treat your psoriatic arthritis- so you can get going. learn how abbvie can help you save. your shipping manager left to “find themself.” leaving you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire

carvana's had a lot of firsts. 100 percent online car buying, car vendinding machines, and now putting you in control of your financing. at carvana, get personalized terms, browse for cars that fit your budget, then customize your downpayment and monthly payment. and these aren't made up numbers, it's what you'll really pay, right down to the penny. wheather you're shopping or just looking, it only takes a few seconds and it won't affect your credit score. finally, a totally different way to finance your ride only from carvana. tonight, hurricane fiona's major category three storm with 150 mile per hour winds, with heavy rains. there is a possibility of life-threatening flooding on the island, and the hope is itll improve as the storm heads to the southeast, and

eventually to bermuda. at least five people have been killed across the caribbean so far, in puerto rico causing massive flooding in some areas. puerto rico's governor expects a large portion of the islands -- where there is more damage. most of the island is without clean water. san juan this is a view of the u.s. coast guard one surveying the damage. whether it is the loss of life or destruction of an entire community, the constant companion of natural disasters. grief and loss is something that we will all face in our life, and yet it also leaves us feeling alone and isolated. something that we don't talk enough about, i think. we have a new podcast, the second episode of it is out this evening, and early morning on wednesday. it is called, all there is to listen. point yourself phone to the qr code on your tv screen for a link to it. you can also find it wherever you get your podcasts. next episode, as i, said is out tomorrow. his dad, steven colbert, when he was just ten years old. it is a very deep and emotional conversation with stephen.