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handed over to sara sidner. a special master basically telling team trump, put up or shut up. he is not buying maybe he did it, maybe he didn't dance over declassification, and raymond dearie calling trump's bluff pointing out that his lawyers haven't given any proof that documents were declassified. and saying that if they don't make that case, but he is going to determine that there are classified. this may not be going the way that they hoped when they ask for him to be the special master. the doj is suggesting, and it may go all the way to the supreme court, to carve out about 100 documents marked classified from the special master's review. and there is the return of the january six committee. their next hearing set for september 28th at 1 pm, with new video of what happened on the day the seat of our democracy was attacked.
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and witness testimony that has not been used another hearings. and chairman bennie thompson is hinting that it may not be the last time that we hear from them. quote, it's not and stone because things happen. we've got the cnn exclusive to tell you about. sources telling cnn that homeland security turned out a multi million dollar plan to protect election officials from harassment, with the midterms just 49 days away. and that is ass election workers across the country are facing a wave of violent threats like they have never seen before. a lot of it inspired by election lies. a lot more coming up on that. plus this, a class action lawsuit filed tonight against florida governor ron desantis and other state officials over those flights to martha's vineyard, dropping off desperate migrants seeking asylum. and desantis is threatening to keep it up. >> we have other things that we can do. and i will tell you this. it has already made more of an impact that anybody thought it could possibly make. but we're going to continue to make more of an impact. >> well, there is no doubt there is an immigration crisis in this country, no doubt.
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but what will all of this mean at the ballot box? we're gonna explore all of that. but i want to get right to the investigation of the former president. here to discuss is cnn legal analyst laura coats, and former watergate prosecutor nick akerman. laura, i want to start with you, because i want you to break this down for us. what happened today with trump lawyers and the special master judge dearie, what's up? >> this is actually the very first time we heard from the special master to figure out whether or not there will be a timeline to follow, that judge cannon said, by november 30th. we knew the deadline. but how they're going to go about doing it? the biggest takeaway from today's hearing was that the judge essentially said all of the things that the client, donald trump, said outside of the court of law about declassifying documents. i would like you to now present evidence in some way that that is actually the case. and the trump legal team essentially said, well, we do not want to make that argument right now in the court of law.
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although it was made in the court of public opinion. because we one day might want to mount a defense based on declassifying documents. which essentially tells you, as you mentioned, the put up or shut up part of it, they chose to shut up. and the consequences of that, of course, is that the judge might very well decide that everything the government said was classified is in fact classified. and will be treated accordingly, allowing them to roll back the doj and these documents. the big two numbers to keep in mind here, 100, that's the number of classified documents, or some level of them. and about 11,000. the rest of the documents about privilege, executive privilege. if those 100 documents that are classified according to the department of justice return to the doj, they can continue their investigation wholesome with the grand jury and beyond, about investigating whether they were illegally retained by former president. >> nick ackerman, did the trump folks box themselves in? you know, maybe him saying, and
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there's people saying, oh, a president can declassify into whatever he wants. determining what's classified and what isn't is done by intelligence agencies were officials have the deep understanding of levels information. it's now in the hands of the judicial branch, which does not have any expertise. but, judge dearie seems to want to give that a lot of difference. but it seems to me that they may have box themselves in because there is no -- doesn't appear to be any official declassification process done by this particular president. >> it's more than boxing himself in. he shot himself in both feet right from the beginning. i mean, over a year ago, his former white house counsel, eric herschmann, told him to turn this stuff back in, or he's gonna be in trouble. at no time did donald trump ever say to him oh, i've declassify these documents. in january, he turns in five, 15 other boxes of documents
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that have classified information. at no time did he ever tell the archives that he had the declassified documents. and then in may of this year, he served with a grand jury subpoena. he turns over more classified documents. and at no time, did he ever say, oh, these aren't really classified because i declassified them. it was not until after this search warrant that donald trump made up another lie that oh, i really did not do anything wrong. because he saw that there was a possible violation of the espionage act. i didn't do anything wrong because i declassified these, without giving details or information. the bottom line is, you cannot go into a federal court of law in this country and make things up and just throw out speculation. you've got to have facts. you've gotta have evidence. and what he has not done throughout this entire
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proceeding in the district court, or now, before the special master, is put in an affidavit explaining how and why he declassified anything. >> right. >> and he can't do that, because if he does it, it's a lie that could be proven as a lie, that will get him in even more trouble. >> wow, wow, so, the whole idea about, you know, the doj has been, laura saying, at least we were thinking they might possibly appeal this. they are hitting today that they are willing to appeal a ruling to the supreme court if the 11th circuit really resists their request to exclude the roughly 100 documents marked classified from the special master review. what does it tell you that they're willing to potentially lose more precious time to keep those documents from being seen? what does that tell you? >> one word, the president. >> i think it tells us -- >> laura --
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>> you want as the department of justice to see that you have precedent. you don't want to have a fly by the seat of your pants approach, and hope on a case by case basis, you're able to conduct yourself in a way that serves the interests of the american people under the court of law. and what they are trying to do is say listen, the judges ruling earlier, judge cannon's ruling, to even have a special master, to extend the benefits of the doubt to a president who has, as nick said, not proven that he actually has declassified iffy ever was able to as a former president. the idea of saying look, that cannot stand, because of that stands, the doj is going to fight it, cases down the road maybe even subsequent presidents, maybe even the same former president or other matters, could use it against the doj to say hey listen, you were fine with this. what is different? remember, the law very much operates in the system we call common law, which means we compare and contrast prior fact patterns to determine what the court should do now. your honor, this is analogous for this reason, it's distinct
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for this reason. if they allow a president to stand, it may have it in the future to have those things undermined. but ultimately, the 11th circuit court of appeal has six of the 11 justices are trump appointees. i would not automatically assume that they would be in line with judge cannon. but, the doj is saying look, we were not prepared to go to the supreme court in the event you do not grant are very limited request, which is not to have the special master go away. oh they don't want one. but to say those 100 documents, we ought to be able to continue. that's a criminal investigation. you are a civil court. why undermine our opportunity to do so? >> nick, the january six committee, do you want to respond to that? did you want to get in, nick? >> all i was going to say is that either way trump loses big here, whether it's through the federal courts or through his special master. the fact of the matter is this stuff is in the news. it's going to be before the public, prior to the midterm
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elections. and it is either going to be the special master or the 11th circuit, or the supreme court that says mr. trump, you took and stole classified information. >> yeah, i was going to ask you about january 6th. but we will leave that for another time. we'll end it there. thank you both, i appreciate it. up next, the big bestseller from susan glasser, peter baker with one revelation after another about the trump presidency. and it's not just former presidents, it's people around him. and they've really got the scoop, like lindsey graham saying, and i'm quoting here, he is a lying mother effer. i'm so glad i didn't say that. but a lot of fun to hang out with. how what they learned reporting this book continues to play out today and into the future, that's next. that's next. ring mind. conflict and climate change. a new black dream. the hidden melodies of trains.
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for the new york times peter baker, co-authors of the book "the divider: trump in the white, 2017-2021, " which is the number one best-selling book on amazon tonight. good evening, and congratulations. why you shaking your head, susan? it's good! >> because, i mean, as my friend said, it means you beat out goodnight moon. i mean, come on! that amazon list is tough to crack. >> but look, this is really important stuff here. and again, you break it down in the book in a way that's understandable and relatable to everyone. the book, susan, has so much insight into the trump years, the culture wars, the attacks on institutions, the relentless undermining of democratic norms. and yet, you write trump still emerged from a 7 million vote defeat, two impeachments, and the january 6th insurrection as the dominant force in the republican party. so, just right there there's something for everyone. so, explain to us, what does his grip on the republican party say about what is to come?
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>> well, you know, the image that sticks with me, don, is a senior national security official who spent a lot of time with donald trump in the oval office, who said, you know, you want to know about trump in the second term? trump in the first term was like the velociraptors in jurassic park. he learned to open the door. remember the scene with the children hiding in the kitchen, in, that moment where the velociraptor turns the handle? you know, the idea being that overtime trump adapted. and, you know, he shed the staff who tried to constrain him. he ended up with mark meadows as his chief of staff. a second term, i think, would be a very, very different and altogether more disruptive thing even than the first time. >> peter, you know, we're seeing right now when the issues of immigrants, trump built his political brand in part on building the wall, the caravans are coming, separating children from their parents, you quote trump's former advisor stephen miller and his eagerness to go full napoleon on that front.
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talk to me about that, especially in light of the republican governors transporting migrants to blue states. because it's all, this is just sort of the extension of what happened under trump from build a wall to sending migrants to different states, on buses or planes or what have you. >> absolutely, and in fact what people forget, is trump actually threatened to do exactly this. he said, why don't we send these migrants to sanctuary cities? and that will show them. he didn't actually follow through. governor desantis and governor abbott have actually followed through on what trump threatened to do. so, you see therefore the effects, the residual legacy effect of president trump, even if he did not serve another day in office. and to susan's point, if he does serve another day in office, you'll be sure he will follow through on some of the ideas that he voice during his first term but felt frustrated restraint, was not able to do, find a better, more compliant, more deferential set of staff to help them execute's second
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term. so, one thing about this book is important, we think, is not just as a matter of history but as a matter of prologue for what could be to come. >> susan, you spoke to senator lindsey graham for the book. he's someone who became a presidential confidant. and he told you this, and i quote, he is a lying mother effer, graham said of trump, with a what can you do, shrug. but also a lot of fun to hang out with. now, he knows trump is a liar. but he is utterly willing, like so many other republicans, to go along for the sake of keeping power, even after january 6th. none of that has changed. >> no, that's exactly right. i mean, who can forget that memorable lindsey graham speech on the night of january 6th, when he said basically, count me out, i'm done, i'm over with this! he voted, you know, to certify the biden's election. and gave every appearance of moving on, until literally days
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later when he was back on the trump train. and i think that is sort of a metaphor for the republican party as a whole. lindsey graham was very clear in 2016 on the nature of the threat. he himself said donald trump pose to the republican party in the country. you called him a kook, you called him dangerous, he said he was the least suited man to the presidency. but he seemed to be dazzled in away by donald trump that so many of these republican officials did. it's hard to delve into the psychology fully to understand. but i think the book and the story of the trump presidency, it's not just about donald trump, it is about those who surrounded him. remember, that without the lindsey graham's of the world, donald trump would just be an old dude shouting at the tv in between golf games. >> yeah, listen, i'm still jet-lagged from london. so, you writing m-effer, i almost said it, leading up to you in the lead up to the
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break. listen, peter, another key figure during the trump lawyers, john kelly, i mean, he secretly bought a book called the dangerous case of donald trump, were 27th mental health professionals warned about trump. kelly thought it be helpful guide. i just want to know, why he thought that? and also, is it an extraordinary the number of people who work day and night to control trump and contain the damage from. they actually try to control, they thought that they could. but they realize they couldn't. he is not controllable. >> what they tried to do is figure what made him tick, right. so, john kelly buys this book and tries to figure out what are the mental issues here [laughs] on the president that he's serving. he thought that this was a person who did not know much about anything. did not seem to process information, seemed off kilter in so many ways. john kelly really came to loathe, i think, donald trump in a very viseral way. he bought this putt to try to understand. and he was not the only one to try and understand. him and we learned since he left office. also reporting that we have in here is coming to us in the 18 months basically since trump left office.
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when people were free-er to talk about it, i think. and they debated among themselves. officers debated is he crazy crazy, or just crazy like a fox. and they couldn't come to a conclusion about that. that's why you saw on 2022 an amendment to his presidency, because there was a concern about whether he was generally capable to execute the job of the presidency. since mike pence would not go along, it was a moot point. but as a constant debate and refrained for four years. >> peter i, want to play for you to respond. trump was at this rally with j. d. vance over the weekend, and i want to play something for you about how he views the country. >> perhaps most importantly, we are a nation that is no longer respected or listende to around the world. we are a nation that in many ways has become a joke. and we are a nation that is hostile to liberty, freedom, and faith. >> and with that music playing in the background, it's really
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kind of eerie. it's certainly a preview of what we can expect if he runs again, stoking fears and tearing down institutions. what does it say that his message has not changed much, really, at all, since 2016? >> right, in fact, if anything, it's going further, right? that music and the reaction to the crowd, with pointing fingers, the qanon sort of, you know, symbolically there at the rally. it suggests how far into the world of fringe conspiracy theories he is willing to go, right? he's entertaining, he's embracing a part of his own base that believes that the government is, you know, a group of satanic pedophiles, that trump is the chosen one to, you know, save the country in a way that goes far beyond any, you know, mainstream republican views. and i think that shows, you know, he is, you know, embracing again that part of the country that is most
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normally, you know, ignored on the fringe. but today feels ascendant because of his in effect, endorsement. >> listen, i've got to say that my favorite part of the book starts on page 12 and goes into page 13. and it says trump turned -- trump tuned in to not just the conservative media that slathered him with praise, but hey watch shows that he knew would excoriated him, even as he denied monitoring them, regularly demonstrated granular knowledge of what don lemon was saying late at night on cnn. or what joe scarborough and micah brzezinski were discussing early mornings on msnbc, yada, yada, yada. he referred to me is the dumbest man on television, psycho joe, and crazy micah. you want to talk to me about that? >> that was your favorite part. >> don, you had a fan, you know, you had a fan, he had a viewer, loya; viewers in the state.
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we'll be watching in the morning, to? i suspect the answer is yes, i do. >> he's obsessed. >> one thing that stuck with me, don, he's obsessed with television in general. and one way house official, this is something that trump has never picked up, on but this official, after observing trump up close, told me he was the first and only president in american history, again, this is a white house official, the first and only president in american history who defined his job to be like mike tv and willy wonka and the chocolate factory. remember, the kid who is so obsessed with television that's all he does all day long. and he asked willy wonka to transport him inside the tv? that was donald trump, according to one of his advisers. >> it's called "the divider." [laughs] peter baker, susan glasser, thank you guys so much. i really appreciate it. best of luck with the book, and i'll see you guys soon. >> thank you, don. >> a class action lawsuit, a criminal investigation, ron desantis is under investigation for his migrant flight. we'll tell you why, next.
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florida governor ron desantis responding to a class action lawsuit followed -- filed by a group representing migrants sent to martha's vineyard. desantis claiming the transportation of the migrants from texas to the massachusetts island quote, was done on a voluntary basis. the governors island also releasing a copy of what they called the official consent to transport form, which includes a redacted signature of someone they claim is a migrant, who consented to the flight. but the representatives for the migrants claim they were defrauded. here's cnn's ed lavandera.
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>> the streets around this city run migrant shelter in san antonio are confusing and overwhelming for hundreds of migrants who have crossed the border seeking asylum, and have stepped into the swamp of american immigration politics. we met these men, one from cuba, the other from venezuela. they had heard about the plane florida governor ron desantis sent here to move some 50 migrants out of texas last week. they told us they had just been offered a similar deal on monday. >> [speaking spanish] >> of course, he says, we were told there will be plenty of work and not so many migrants. >> [speaking spanish] >> they offered you a flight to another state, but you did not know where it was going to be? >> yes. [speaking spanish] >> he says they pulled up next to us in beautiful trucks. they offered us hotel rooms with a pool, and a gift card for food. and they told us they could take us on a flight to where we will be taken to a refuge. they rejected the offer because
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they said it felt strange. attorneys for some of the dozens of migrants transported from texas to martha's vineyard have filed a class action lawsuit against florida governor ron desantis in federal court, claiming they were deprived of their liberty and due process over an unlawfull goal and personal political agenda. this, after the bexar county justice in texas is investigating a criminal investigation into the matter. >> if in fact these people were lied to, as they say they were, and they were taken under false pretenses to another part of the country, it could qualify as a human trafficking case. >> even though the migrants were not in his state, florida governor ron desantis has claimed responsibility for sending them to massachusetts. and defended the process tuesday, saying those migrants were treated poorly by the biden administration. >> they were hungry, homeless, they had no opportunity at all. state of florida, it was volunteer, offered transport to sanctuary jurisdictions.
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because it's our view that one, the borders should be secured. and we want to have biden re-institute policies like remain in mexico, and making sure that people are not overwhelming. >> state budget records show that the florida department of transportation paid 950,000 taxpayer dollars to virtal systems, an aviation company based in florida. days after, migrants were flown to martha's vineyard. according to the texas governor's office, more than 8000 migrants have been bussed from texas to washington, d.c. and 675 to chicago. and 2600 migrants to new york, a number that is expected to climb. >> i think the governor of texas and others are at fault for creating this man-made humanitarian crisis. >> cnn's ed lavandera live outside the migrant resource center in san antonio. ed, thank you for joining us live. governor desantis has referred
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multiple times to a a vendor in florida who pick people up and to bassett. offers to help them take a flight, what are nvestigations saying about this? piece this together for us. >> remember, we heard last week from several migrants that were on that flight to martha's vineyard they talked about a woman named perla, who had been approaching migrants here and essentially rounding people up, and convincing them to get on this flight. now, we cannot tell you at this point whether perla is that vendor that governor desantis is talking about. but we asked the sheriff here in san antonio here today if they've been able to identify this woman. he said, they have identified several people. they would not tell us exactly who they are. the sheriff says he's trying to figure out exactly what those people were doing in the area around this migrant shelter last week and the days leading up to that flight. >> so, ed, are all of them or some of them asylum seekers?
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>> by, by -- by in large the vast majority of people that you're seeing, especially the ones that are coming here, have asylum process in the paperwork. so, they've already been processed by either border patrol or -- >> okay, got it. >> then the paperwork and a cout dates. >> okay, i just want to clarify that. are these governors getting in the way of legal proceedings by getting in there locations? >> well, that's a possibility. it really kind of depends on what court date they have been given. there are some people who we have spoken to have court dates relatively soon. so, for example, if you are told to appear at a court date within the next month or two in florida, and you get shipped off to boston, in massachusetts, that could complicate things. i did speak to several migrants today who have court dates several years from now. so, essentially they are protected status, legal status, to be in the country for the next several years while all of that continues to play out. so, it really depends on when those court dates are scheduled for, and where they are
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scheduled for, how far away that ends up being from where you're sent. >> ed lavandera and san antonio, you ed, thank you, i appreciate it. despite all this, desantis is bragging about the stunt. big picture, what is he trying to accomplish here? ron brownstein gives us some insights, that's right after this. it's beautiful out here. it sure is. and i earn 5% cash back on travel purchased through chase with chase freedom unlimited. that means that i earn 5% on our rental car, i earn 5% on our cabin. i mean, c'mon! hello cashback! hello, kevin hart!
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governor ron desantis is not
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backing down. he's facing a class action lawsuit tonight after sending nearly 50 migrants to martha's vineyard. but, he does not seem bothered. in fact, he's threatening to keep it up. so much to discuss now. cnn senior political analysis ron brownstein. hello, ron. >> hello. >> on sunday, governor desantis received a standing ovation in kansas after sending 50 migrants to martha's vineyard. he has defended, even bragged about it. he's under very heavy criticism for the stunt. but i mean, it obviously got a lot of support in certain republican circles. >> yeah, look, the obvious part of the rationale for this is that in his personal interests, his political interest, to be seen as a fire fighter in the trump mold. to be seen as someone who's willing to be outrageous and push beyond the boundaries in taking the fight to liberals, and you know, threatening liberal institutions, which he's done in a variety of ways in florida already.
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but i think it's a mistake to stop there, because there is a substitute dynamic there as well. because what we are seeing on immigration is what we are seeing on so many other issues, on abortion, on voting, on lgbtq rights. we are seeing a combination of unilateral action in the red states, combined with federal lawsuit brought by the red, before republican appointed judges typically, in an effort to seize control of the national agenda in effect from below. you know, what they are doing, what governor abbott and governor desantis are doing on shipping migrants out of their state to other states is along in line with david is doing in terms of authorizing, pushing against the boundaries of legality. and authorizing state law enforcement in texas to enforce state immigration laws. something the supreme court said is very much in the province of the federal government. at the same time, their over 20 lawsuits from shifting coalitions of red states, trying to get biden to maintain hard-line trump immigration policies. and restricting his freedom to set his own course on immigration. and as i say, it all adds up to a revolution from below. an attempt to drive the national agenda while the
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democrats are normally in control of the congress, and of course, the white house. >> but don't you think what they're doing is motivating factors for republicans, for those on the right? don't you think that riles up their base and energizes them and could be good going into the midterms? >> while, it's interesting, right? first of all, there is no question that hostility to both legal and illegal or undocumented immigration is a core animating principle for the republican coalition in the trump era. in polling, 70% or more of republicans say the growing number of immigrants threaten american traditions and values. so, yes, there is a button there for them to push. and, there's also public dissatisfaction with the way biden is managing the border. and republicans now meet on that question. that's why it's kind of striking that the lawsuit to enjoy in this class action lawsuit came from private parties today, asking for the federal courts to stop desantis
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from doing this anymore. it did not come from the justice department. which has kind of kept its distance from all of this. and it, you know, i spoke to a whole bunch of immigrant advocacy groups who basically, somewhat reluctantly, accepted the idea that the justice department to get in front and center would be to give the republican governors what they want, a big law on immigration a week before the election. i think there's no question, there is widespread view that what they are doing intrudes on federal privacy on immigration law. and as i said, in recently as 2012, the supreme court ruled in a case involving arizona that the federal government will here is really preeminent, and states have very little leeway to get involved in doing the kinds of things, in potentially doing the kinds of things that texas and florida are now pursuing. >> all right, thank you ron brownstein, i'll see you next time, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> okay, so, listen, his work really sells for millions of dollars.
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but he's spreading the wealth. how my friend rashid johnson is bringing black artist to the highest level of the art world. that's next. and at the top of the hour, the special master handpicked by team trump, now in a courtroom show down with him. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ "shake your thang" by salt n pepa
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all right, so take a seat everyone, and watch this next. story all this, week in a series we call champions for change, we are bringing you every day people hard changing society and getting things done. for me, that is my friend rashid johnson, artist, thought leader, mentor, and a real hot shot in the art world. not only do some of his works sell for millions, but he's making room for artists and curators of color at the
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highest levels. check it out. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> rashid johnson's art is in major museums all over the world. it's always engaging. it always pulls you in, beautiful, stirring, infuriating. rashid and i have become friends over the last couple years. and this journey we have gone on as a country over politics and the state of the world, we have sort of road that together. >> i think what your job is, right, is to tell us what's happening. my job is to listen, and translate over the next few years. the big part of what my work speaks about is anxiety, and fear, and the stresses of occupying space in the world that we currently live in. i started making these. i was calling them broken. man it's very personal for me. some of the mirrors you can fully see yourself.
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others are cracked and broken. others are scarred. when i look at it, it makes me think about all of the slings and arrows that come at me. and it makes me very proud that i've survived those. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> from an early age i knew that there were incredibly important black voices. phil and i gravitate toward the art world, and i saw fewer of them in some of these larger cultural institutions, i knew that something was missing. >> so many people, especially people of color, where locked out of the arena for so long. ♪ ♪ ♪ he's a champion for change because rashid is not just looking out for rashid, rashid is doing what our ancestors told us to do, as descendants of slaves. each one, teach one. >> one of the things that i am interested in, outside of kind of helping younger artists, which is something i try to put a real emphasis on, is how institutions smoke show. who are the gatekeepers? and who lets who in? what artworks are invited into the conversation? ♪ ♪ ♪ >> right here at the guggenheim,
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he has work to diversify the board and make sure we are creating a much broader story around american art history, including by poc artists, including trans artist, including much more women. he created a paid internship program, supporting it financially and making sure that everyone across any sort of class and education spectrum has the ability to take on an entry level job at this institution. >> my mother was an academic, but she was also a poet. my father was a painter, sculptor. when i went to art school, it was one of the rare scenarios where you hear that a kid goes to art school and his parents feel like they college. something [laughs] ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i really seeing a show rashid of's in london in 2012. instead of taking over both
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flores with his art, he would actually give the second floor over to a show of artists he could support. >> rashid is a peer, mentor, brother, a teacher. >> i'm speaking to a very successful artist about a very successful artist. >> we are artists, but we are also kind of small businesses. and we are not prepared for a lot of the kind of rapid growth that happens. so, it really is super helpful to have rashid give practical, professional resources and advice. >> i've been in rooms with rashid johnson with the most recognizable people in the world. and you think, oh, oh my gosh, there's beyoncé, there's jay-z, whatever. and then rashid walks into the room, all those people go, oh my gosh, there's rashid johnson! rashid johnson is living in this excess, which is a rarity in this business, especially for a man of color. and everyone wants to be a part of that. why is that so important for you to lift people up? >> it's the right way to be. generosity is something that i think lives in most artists.
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and i think it is the natural way of kind of giving back after you have been rewarded for your vision. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> [laughs] so, i -- a friend of mine, tracey jenkins, introduced me to rashid, because she said you guys should know each other. and i said that's perfect, because i want to learn more about art. i've been trying to do that. and not only did he teach me that, and help me too, is he teaching me that, and help me to acquire, you know, something's myself, i'm learning so much from him. but very rarely do you meet people who can take you to a different realm mentally, emotionally, and who can just get you to learn different things about life and different ways to feel about what you are dealing with. going through the pandemic, and being friends with rashid was
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extraordinary to me because through his work, i could see that he was understanding what i was going through. and i understood what he was going through. so, rashid, sherry, julian, that's his wife and son, i love you guys. i've learned more from you i think, in the three years that we've been friends, then i've learned from just about anyone. so, thank you so much for that. and thank you for what you are doing for the world. and for culture, and especially for black people and black artists. you are an amazing human being. thank you for being my friend. i am honored to have been able to promote you here. so, we are going to continue to share these inspirational stories all week. and be sure to tune in saturday at 8 pm eastern for the champions for change one hour special. so, they wanted a special master, but the special master they chose now wants answers. inside the showdown between team trump and the special master reviewing those
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so a special master handpicked by team trump is demanding answers tonight. judge raymond dearie is saying he'll have to assume the documents found at mar-a-lago are classified as trump can prove otherwise. former president's been claiming over and over again that he is declassified more than 100 documents seized by the fbi in the search, so why is it refusing to show the receipts? want to bring in former nbc assistant attorney harry lippman, and douglas london. i cover joining us. harry, the special master colin donald trump's bluff. take us through the back and forth, how do you see this playing out? >> i see it playing out not well for trump. what he was able to get away with with judge cannon was, hey maybe they are not classified
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or maybe a declassified them. what people were saying at the time including me don was this is not like liberal versus conservative, this is just right versus wrong. there was a judge who showed up today, judge dearie and he said it's judging, there is a side it hasn't evidence and here's a side that has nine who wins? young he made it clear that they're not gonna be able to sort of speculate they're gonna have to come through with proof if they can. maybe they will be able to keep the documents up in the air for a while. i think it's pretty clear that the reason they haven't been advancing or actually saying in court that they are declassified, because he didn't really, and there are consequences in court for lying if he doesn't have when he talked to hugh hewitt. that's what the next few days will reveal. >> so i asked nick akerman i

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