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so >> he got a body blow on the criminal side tonight with the 11th circuit, allowing the doj, lifting the stake, the doj can proceed in using these classified documents, don, to investigate him. probably his most serious criminal exposure, and, even worse for donald trump, what does he care about above all? whose, they have businesses, his work, and in the worst-case, talking about it last week, which is a new york attorney general is the equivalent. >> this is my question, elaine. it was a strong interest, and is ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in exceptionally great damage to national security. why did the doj have a winning argument? >> it came down to, who has the
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greater interest? as you said, the doj has a strong interest in getting access to these documents right away, because they need to resume their criminal investigation. the federal government, in general, needs to say that they're in danger. spies, intelligence assets, that kind of thing. on the flip side, the court says, donald trump has no possessory interest in these records. what this means, is then the doj right now. they would have to return to the special master, and they were, privileged and a pack in the doj's hands anyway, so now, the doj has a more quickly. >> hold on to the, stormy grab it. i thought that this was going to be happening with those documents. everyone is going to have a chance to look at them, and obviously a break, and put national security at risk. i thought that is what was going to happen with those documents. >> that was what was going to happen until we got this ruling. now, the classified documents,
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a 100 documents out of 11,000 or so, there is no tug of war, there is doj's. >> says they show that don trump did not have ownership, or interest in these personal documents, with a lasting declassification claims. they say with the blessing, quote, the records contain no evidence that any of these records were declassified. before the special master, providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents. scathing rebuke from the appeals court? >> well, it was no worse than what trump's lawyers got yesterday from the special master, judge dearie who said, you can't have your cake and eat it too. they are not willing to put the evidence forward of declassification. donald trump talks about, it all the time, on social media, don. there is no penalties for that. but, his lawyers dare not say it because they face very serious sanctions if they miss
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represent to the court. finally, the past 24 hours, finally, we have returned to planet earth. it is like we were in another dimension, where the law did not apply, the facts did not apply. but, for those of us who have worked in the area of classified documents, this is plain as day. >> i sat here as the attorneys were saying, i don't understand what this judge is doing. i just sat back and listened because, i'm not an attorney, i don't have a doctorate, right? i don't have a degree in law. my father was an attorney, but i don't know much about it. this seems to be saying about what's going on. >> they did not to classify these documents. can you put that to rest? there is no evidence of it, 18 former officials have come forward and said, no way, nonsense, bs, that is just too bad. >> timothy neff tally, this is new, this is important, that's with the court of saying about donald trump. i want you to listen to what
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donald trump is saying tonight, and what happened. here it is. >> there doesn't have to be a process, as i understand it. there are different people saying different things, but as i understand, there doesn't have to be. if you are president of the united states, you can declassified by saying, it's declassified. even by thinking about it. >> i mean -- >> yeah, right. >> what was that guy? he's on the torrential, saying i'm declassifying? >> presidents can't do it, and they definitely can't do it. there are also the cover pages of the documents, and all out? those cover pages say secret, top secret, if these documents is president trump, it was not having those cover sheets on them.
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so, that alone, i'm not a lawyer, but we work on the archive. >> one can't help to be giddy about it. that is the most outrageous, ludicrous excuse, just by thinking about it? >> for four years, donald j trump tried to find ways, of lying to get his way. he lied, he lied, he lied. he has now discovered, there is a point at which lies have consequences. for four years, they didn't, really. he is now a former president, and the rules are different for former presidents. the line that he got away with in the oval office is not going to give him the kind of security, now, that it did then. he is about to get the consequences. >> cnn, learning that ginni thomas, the wife of the supreme court since, clarence thomas, agreed to an interview with the january 6th committee. it is another blow for trump, and another unprecedented development, too. >> it's a big deal because, it
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will be under oath, and, i mean, there is information out there, and her social media posts, which suggest, she was supportive of the stop the steal movement. the question is, whether she was also supportive of the insurrection. if she was supportive of the insurrection, that raises very difficult questions about a supreme court justice ability to be impartial, should there be a case before him. related to january 6th. so, her participation is important historically, and, for the supreme court, too. >> let's talk about what happened, earlier today, in new york. look at this. they have laetitia james, resembling a mountain of allegations on this document, including trump wildly over valuing his properties, it possesses the mar-a-lago, his apartment in trump tower, and his apartment park avenue, and more.
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tens of thousands of hours, this lawsuit is the corporate death penalty for him, or his company? >> don, in my mind, the most important page in that massive pile of paper. by the way, it was pleading that is that large, she is making a point that she has overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing. the most important page, starting on page 11, it continues on to 12, and the relief sought. canceling his corporate participants. there is a state of court without an independent pacific it. appointing an independent monitor? they're reporting him off the throne, it was barring trump to realistic acquisitions, loans, permanently barring him, and his kids, from serving as officers, or directors, of new york companies. this is, in essence's to the
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trial, and ali is constantly reminding, need there is a big difference between allegations in the plane with winning a trial. we both had that experience. >> you so much a lawyer, l.a.. before you weigh in, i want to see if we can kill two birds here. donald trump, defending himself with a caveat in whatever it is about the values, when he submits a loan application. here it is. >> we have a disclaimer, right on the front, and it basically says, you know, get your own people, you are at your own risk, this was done by management, it wasn't done by -- it was done by management. so, don't rely on the statement that you are getting. >> well, that is an interesting defence. no, i don't think it holds any waters. you can't say, i warned people, this could be fraudulent, therefore, do business with me at your own risk.
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i agree with norm, not gonna read the whole thing, like norm just it, but i agree with norm, the allegations in this complaint, a civil lawsuit, not criminal, i think they are strong. she did refer to the irs and doj, but we are not talking about strong valuations. we are tech about tenfold, five fold. it was a political, this was the outcome, of the political quest by laetitia james. that is not deniable. that is not an opinion. that is based on her own words. she campaigned on vote for me, and i will bail donald trump. she declared, before she was elected, that trump was guilty of the crime of money laundering, on her first day in office she said, quote, we are going to definitely sue him. first day in office, we will be a pain in the ass, he will know my name personally. two things can be true at once. yes, this is a strong complaint, yes, this is the result of a political quest by an attorney general to say this. >> i think you are right in that.
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sometimes, i often watcher interviews, and i say, why is she saying that? just coming off as a political person. if you don't have the evidence, why would you do that? but you said, two things can be true. it can be political act, but, if the evidence is there, does that matter? >> it doesn't cancel about, the dawn. if you run for office, and fund-raise, donate to me, and i will nail that guy? let me put it to this way. would anyone be okay with someone running for attorney general of the state of delaware and saying, vote for me, and i will never biden's? i will get hunter biden. donate to me, i will get hunter biden. i will put hunter biden away, i will make joe biden's life miserable. >> i think, actually, trump supporters and republicans who honor percent be okay with that. >> let me take the politics out of it. look at marjorie taylor greene. >> in my idealized version of what prosecutors should do, neither of those. >> i agree. i am often uncomfortable watching her interviews, because it does come off as
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overtly political. >> i just want to say a word in defensive tesch. the first is, as you know, the merits are here. it's even stronger then a civil case. it is a fifth amendment indications by donald trump, and his executives. it was in adverse-incher inference. it is not like attorney general garland, it is not like federal prosecutors, and were responsive to the people. when i hear tissue, and i have advised her to use those exact words? maybe not. what i hear her saying is where tim started. when you have an individual, who is explains for the punitive law, over and over again, would they have gotten almost anyone else in american possibly prosecuted? it is a justifiable anger of
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product, maybe not the most perfect words, but that is appropriate for an elected official to articulate the views for them. >> if you put this in historical context, the outcome, we don't have a complete one, but think about everything that happened, and has transpire today, legally? all of the lawsuits, civil, criminal, or what have you, that this particular precedent is facing. >> when i go back to the national security evidence, donald trump was commander and chief. they have displayed a contempt for national security, and for the people in our military. they were over classified to a certain extent. things are pretty, as top secret and above, those are classified for a region. you are classified to protect people.
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he has shown contempt for that. to me, that is beneath contempt. it is the wizards of office, and it wasn't worth 10%. a it was a bit that was supposed. when the rubber hits the road, we meet people, and was in the oval office, who actually, care about our defence, and our security. what he did, and they classified the material at mar-a-lago, is evidence he never took his job seriously. for me, really, it was a kicker in that one. to all of us. >> to everyone. to everyone. thank you gentlemen, i appreciate it. the fed, raising interest rates in the toughest policy move to fight inflation since the 80s. if you keep doing that without, plunging the economy to the recession? >> nobody knows whether this process will lead to a recession, or, if so, are the
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history made today. the federal reserve, hiking interest rates 75 basis points, for a third consecutive time, in an effort to tamp rampant inflation. this is the highest the fed funds rate has been since the global financial crisis of 2008. the some would say that the rates are up to 100 basis points, with even though the announcement was lower than expected, the stock market, still, shuttered. the dallas filing more than five reports today. joining us, justin wolf, the professor of economics in policy at the university of michigan. thank you very much sir, i
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appreciate you joining us. what a day. these are very big headlines. third time in a row for the fed raising rates here. what do you think of this move? >> i think, first of all, it is what most economists were expecting the feds to raise rates. it is also the right move, for the moment. inflation is high, and is troubling, and the way to claw it back is raise rates, and slow economic activity, somewhat. in the rest of the economy, if you look at things like how easy it is to get a job, how easy it is to be employed, how many job vacancies there are, they also seem to be in good health. it is a more sustainable pace. every day, we have been praying for two and a half years, which is an economy that is boring. we hope that the post covid economy will be a little less interesting. >> would people at home are
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thinking, what's in it for me? what's in it for us? what does this mean to the regular consumer? >> the first thing that is going to happen is a rising, and is not a surprise in the folks are looking to buy high right now, and are seeing mortgage rates are quite a bit higher. if you are looking to buy a car loan rates, it is somewhat higher. me it is seeing a little bit more hesitant to buy a house prices. house price growth, coming off a little bit, construction activity, declining. more broadly, it is trying to trade a little less of the pain of inflation, and you don't get something for nothing. it is doing that by creating a bit more pain, by slowing the overall economy. it is trying to get you an eye to spend a little less, so we no longer have more buyers than sellers in the economy, and that will, hopefully, lead to less pressure on prices. >> the federal reserve chairman,
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powell, said that the fed is committed to getting inflation down to 2% annual growth. take a listen. >> to accomplish that, we think we will need to do two things in particular. to achieve a period of growth below trend, and some softening and labor market conditions to foster a better balance. >> to fix inflation, you need to slow down growth on the job market? how do you do that without hurting more people? >> there are two ways to fix inflation. part of it depends on what you think is driving inflation. so, if you think what is going on right now is that there is too many people, with too much money, trying to buy too many goods, that is what economists would call a demand shock, then the way to reverse that would be to get people to spend less, and that is what high interest rates to. there is another approach to fighting inflation, and that is if you think prices are high today because of high gas prices, due to putin invading ukraine, due to snarled global
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supply chains as a result of covid, due to drought, and many agricultural markets. it was much simpler, and they just wait. it is what they've already been seeing. gas prices stop rising. gas prices may not go where they are, if they stop rising, this stop contributing to inflation. it's a delicate dance for the fed is, it was a sound policy for the surprise klein. versus trying to clear the economy a little bit, and people on businesses are spending a little too much. >> after the announcement today, they say it is unclear whether these rates will lead to a recession. hawaii are you worried about that? are you worried about a recession, a small recession of some folks? a >> recession is never good, thing it is never something
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that we should ever wish on anyone. it was the reality of the session, and there are people are buying. what the fed is trying to do is engineer, what it calls, a soft landing. rather than crashed the economy, is growing a little too fast. one of the things that powell has to do, is he must be seen to be tough. marie if you have to be seen as doing anybody to stomp out inflation. if you stop raising prices, it is a prophesy. in a sense, saying we are strong enough, and brave enough, and we don't care enough that we would be willing to cause inflation, if that is required. so, here's the funny thing. the miracle is, people believe that. that is enough to cause inflation to decline. then we don't end up needing to recession to reduce inflation
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after all. they're trying to manage peoples expectations, to think, believe, and understand, inflation may be high today, but will be coming down very soon. >> they feel try to understand this idea that hawaii if you need a recession of her down inflation. that's why some people were saying, who are economic experts are saying. a recession would not be bad in the short term, if it helps the economy. do you understand what i'm asking? >> i think some people are getting a little crazy about the economics, and forget underneath the economy, underneath those numbers, are people. you have to be able to connect it to people's lives. what they are saying is, it is okay for us to have some families lose jobs, as long as others get lower prices. well, that may be one way forward, but let's admit, that is a costly way forward. i think it's important that the fed is confident that the
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strategy to inflation, which is to wait for some current supply shocks to work their way through the system, that is a more painless way of reducing inflation. >> got it. thank you justin. he be well. >> you too don't. >> a rebuking vladimir putin withdrew nuclear threats, with what biden said. next, a washington post revealing that it is possible to black coaches in the nfl, and keep their jobs that they've discussed later. mething that gets you hyped up. and thatat your new car ought to come with newfound happineness and zero surprises. and all of us will stop at nothing to d drive you happy. we'll drive you happy at carvana.
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president joe biden, declaring
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russia's invasion of ukraine, a violation of the global order at the un, today. the president, rebuking vladimir putin's threats of nuclear war. >> this war is about extinguishing ukraine's right to exist as the state. plain and simple. it was ukraine's right to exist as a people. wherever you, are wherever you live, whatever you believe, that is -- that should make her blood run cold. a nuclear war, they cannot be won. and, must never be fought. >> max boot, the senior fellow on foreign relations, thank you. this may be one of the most tense un general assembly's and recent history, and recent years. was president biden forceful enough when he talked about the possibility of nuclear threats?
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>> absolutely. i thought president biden was resolute, and principled. it was a contrast between president biden speaking at the un, and president putin speaking in moscow. here, you have president biden defending the liberal, international world order. the rules based system, that the united states has been part of since 1945, and i thought that president biden gave a very eloquent defense of that order, on the very same day that on moscow, you had russian dictator, vladimir putin, undermining, and threatening, that order. talking, and raving, about how russia is under attack, justifying his invasion of ukraine. now, an escalation as well with the mobilization, and lastly, most chillingly of all, engaging in nuclear saber rattling, trying to scare the rest. they're showing with ukraine, and is a quest for freedom.
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biden gave the correct response to that which is to say, we will not be intimidated. we will not engage in hyperbole with putin, but just lay it on the line and say, we will continue to defend ukraine. they are fighting for freedom, and that is what we believe in. i thought that biden did a tremendous job. >> max, as you know, ukraine has won back some territory in recent weeks. there is a sharp rise in demand for flights out of moscow, and hundreds of russians have been detained, just today, in a crackdown on anti war protests. are you worry, with putin will react under extreme pressure from all sides? >> of course. you have to worry about someone who's a total dictator. i would be more worried about what would be happening if putin were actually winning, and if actually succeeding and extinguishing ukrainian independents, which is his goal. if that were to happen, he would not stop. he would be targeting the baltics, he would be targeting poland, you could be targeting finland. no country in europe would be safe.
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i take great comfort from, the great success that the ukrainians have had. just in the last few weeks, they have liberated thousands of miles of their territory, and the russians are reeling. we have heard today from putin, and moscow, was the desperation that putin feels, as he feels that he is losing this war, and does not know what to do. so, he's engaging a nuclear saber rattling, he's trying to call more reserves, he's going to have a hard time equipping them, but, the reality is, on the ground, his forces are losing. we need to continue supporting the ukrainians, to liberate their territory from this russian oppression. >> we just did a segment on the economy, and we're talk about a global recession, an energy crisis, soaring now. democracy around the world, really, is under attack. what do you think the right posture is for the u.s., and its allies, right now? what should be the priority? >> the number one priority, right now, internationally, is to stop russia's war of
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aggression. we need to send a signal to china, and other countries around the world, that aggression does not pay. one of the consequences of russia's aggression, it is energy crisis, and pressure on food prices, rising inflation, and we're dealing with all of that fall out. they're using that economic pressure, decoupling us from ukraine, to convince the europeans, in particular, and so far, the part of the reason why it's not looking is president biden has been so skilled, and resolute, in assembling an international coalition to contain, and deter, russia. this would not be happening of donald trump for the president. if trump were in office, you would be seeing all of ukraine with russian sovereignty right now. president biden, i think, has done a tremendous job of mobilizing these countries, and keeping them on board, for this very difficult task of stopping, and responding, to this russian,
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unprovoked aggression. >> thank you max boot, always a pleasure. >> and immigration advocacy group, filing a lawsuit against the state of florida, governor desantis for 15 migrants to martha's vineyard. the executive director for the group that filed the suit. ♪ ♪
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migrants arrived at martha's vineyard from texas, an immigration advocacy group has filed a lawsuit against the state of florida, and governor ron desantis, claiming, migrants were defrauded for political gain. migrants were promised housing, employment, and health, with immigration process. the immigration process. governor desantis officers, pushing back, claiming travel to martha's vineyard was done on a voluntary basis. joining me now to discuss, is ivan espinosa of magical. the executive director of lawyers for civil rights, the group that filed the suit. thank you for joining, us i appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> so, your lawsuit claims that the migrants were lured on to the planes, and across state lines, under false pretenses. what are they saying that they were promised? >> we are clients, lawyers for civil rights, were promised employment, educational opportunities, housing, and
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even free english classes, along with immigration assistance, if they boarded those planes. those were all fraught. they were all lies. this is, really, a fraudulent scheme, a deception, that targeted our clients to use them as political pawns. to make them cross state lines, under false pretenses under misrepresentations, that, ultimately, could come very close to sabotaging, and derailing, under federal immigration cases. >> what is the evidence that it was all false pretenses? >> our clients testimonies, and experiences, are all consistent. they were all gathered in san antonio, by perpetrators of this fraudulent scheme, promised a wide range of
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different services, and benefits, that they never received. that the perpetrators never intended to provide, and, if it hadn't been for the extreme generosity of the people of martha's vineyard, they would have been at in even more vulnerable, and precarious, place, then when they started this journey. >> the lawsuit, also includes details about a false brochure, made to look like a government document. can you tell us about this brochure, and what wasn't it? >> this is all part of the evidence. this elaborate scheme, perpetrated by governor desantis, by other florida officials, by the state of florida, to create materials
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that would lure our clients on to the plane. to make materials that would lure them across state lines. these materials were put together. many factors, for the purposes of this scheme. they contain information about refugee resettlement, and other services, and programs, that exist in massachusetts to some extent, but that none of the clients were eligible for. they have not been deemed refugees. our clients have humanitarian parole status. it's very important here, because there is a lot of conversation about how our clients are undocumented, how our clients are illegal, but nothing could be further from the truth. they all surrender to immigration officials, and are all known to immigration officials. they were processed, and released. they are not lurking in the shadows, avoiding detection. but, these materials were designed to trick, and lower them. because, they do not qualify for those benefits, and services. these brochures replaced and
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shiny red folders, that were given to our clients, during the course of this scheme, to make it look official, to make it look like they were good samaritans, looking out for the migrants, when, in reality, the truth was they were caught in an elaborate web of lies, of fraudulent schemes, that made it across state lines, and made the much more vulnerable. >> ivan espinosa madrigal, we thank you so much for your time. as this progresses, we will have you back on with new developments. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> a new report from the washington post, showing black nfl head coaches face big hurdles in getting, and keeping their jobs, even if they perform as well as white coaches. we will unpack it, next. answer a few questions and our techno wizardry calculates your cacar's value and gives you a real offer in seconds we'll come to you pay you on the spot thenen pick up your car that's it at carvana
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a damning investigation into the nfl by the washington post, revealing just how difficult it is for black coaches to get, and keep, coveted positions within the league. it comes on the heels of a major racial discrimination lawsuit from former dolphins head coach, brian flores. a lawsuit, the nfl says, is merit-less. so, the posts analysis title, this is how blocks black coaches. they find that black coaches are continually denied positions in the nfl, the black coaches languish at position coaches before becoming head coaches, and, that when they are hired, black coaches are held to a higher standard, and winning does not, necessarily, save them. the process, since 1990, black coaches have been twice as
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likely, as others, to be fired after leading a team to a regular season record of 500 or better. so, let's discuss. former nfl receiver, dante stallworth, and cnn contributor, carrie champion, both here to talk about this. good evening, carrie. the post analysis -- >> it shows just how shocking the disparities in the nfl, actually, are. nearly 60% of the players are black, but coaches are, reportedly, overlooked. just 9% of current head coaches are black, showing that the nfl has a very serious problem here, no? >> absolutely, i agree with you. but the nfl, as we read further into that article, was saying, we cannot force owners to hire who we want them to hire we have made them aware of rules, we are encouraging inclusion and diversity classes, we are doing all we can do, it is up
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to the owner. at the end of the day, you have a billion dollar industry, and these uber richmond you. cannot tell them who to hire, and you don't hire normally, someone are not familiar with. that's where we find the disconnect. they do not see black coaches as they see themselves. >> it's a bit of a catch 22, right? if you look at the wealth disparity in the country, two black folks really have that much money to be able to buy an nfl team? you see room going with, the scary? >> absolutely. we thought that there was an attempt when the denver broncos were for sale but, they ended up going to the walmart family group. a huge investor. so, you can't fight with that money. here's the thing. the reality is, these men are not policed. no one will tell them what to do. in fact, there is only two majority owners that identify as minorities, and that is kemp kula, who is the co-owner of the bills, and then, also, calm, who has the jacksonville
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jaguars, those two, of the 32, majority owners, cannot be convinced. so, we have a problem. fortunately, we can talk about it, like this to, say that there is disparity, or, perhaps, we will see the human in the coach. they have the same skills, what they're doing the same thing, but for whatever reason, they are told not yet. >> listen, dante, the post analyzed three decades of data, interviewing current, and former black head coaches, players, team executives, and others in the nfl's orbit. it all paints the same picture. does any of this come as a surprise to you? >> no, not really. i think that the nfl, it was around 2003, i believe, when the rooney rule was implemented, my second year of the nfl. you saw the nfl, you saw the executives, even now, into a later date, series he troy vincent, a former player, who is the vice president of operations for the nfl. very high up, who is trying to
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lead, and push this issue. but, carrie said it. you can't force. it's difficult to force these owners to hire minorities, hire more black coaches, when, even they, are incentivized to do so with draft picks, incentivized to do so in other instances. it's a shame when black coaches are hired, they are not afforded the same leniency as their white counterparts. they don't have the opportunity to lead a team. when they get to a franchise, or an organization that is not very good, they don't have an opportunity to turn the team around, like you see some white counterparts to, overland periods of time. so, even then, when they get the opportunity, they are not, really, afforded an opportunity to go to a good team. i would say mike tomlin is the outlier who, had a great quarterback, and a great organizational foundation behind him. but, outside of that, you see
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black coaches who are getting hired, and are getting higher to some of the worst teams, and organizations, in the league. >> i have also heard, in situations like this, where you get an analysis like the washington post, with what they're doing, or with what brian flores is doing, that pushes these owners further into a corner, into their positions by saying, what's in it for me? why would i even hire a black coach? i'm just going to be scrutinized, and if they aren't performing, am i going to have to keep them in some capacity. you understand what i'm saying, dante? i mean, at the end of the day, really, it is up to the owners. the nfl, rodrick, troy vincent, all the other executives can only do so much. really, it is an ownership issue, for the most part. it really sets the player, starting to push more back against the nfl, and the executives, and the ownership in 2020, after the george floyd murder, and the george floyd
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protests, when there was a reckoning of the nation. i think the owners tried to recognize, or at least attempted, or perceived to recognize, what was happening. but, there is still a lack of accountability, in hiring minority, and next. >> carey, i'm up against, o'clock or give you the last word here. >> here's the deal, we cannot make, no matter how much we say, make men do what they don't want to do. today on the team, it is there is, they hire who they hire. the request is, however, to look at us the way that you see the other coaches that you hire. meaning, take us to the golf. let's call, let's chat with one another. that is the only way we can get an equal footing, if you see us, as you see yourself. clearly that, is not the case here. >> gary, dante, i appreciate it. to be continued. thank you for watching everyone, our coverage continues. personalized plan for cash flow, even when you're not working.
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good good evening, three big evening, three big stories stories tonight tonight, nuclear saber rattling in, there's more saber-rattling a military escalation from from vladimir vladimir putin. putin, as a quarter billion dollar well as civil lawsuit a 12 million dollar civil against former president, lawsuit against the three of his grandchildren and ex president, three of his his company, grown children, and just before and his airtime, a major court victory in the company. -- justice department criminal probe of criminal probe of classified documents classified documents from mar-a-lago. from mar-a-lago. that is where we begin, that's where we with cnn's jessica begin with cnn's schneider. jessica schneider. this this just just happened, what more can happened, what more can you tell you tell us us from this by ruling by the 11th circuit -- court of appeals? >> >> this is this is anderson exactly what the, what exactly that been fighting justice department has been fighting, for four weeks for four weeks. . they tried to get they tried to get this this result in the district court result in the district court -- now they've had a victory at the 11th circuit this is from a unanimous panel of judges, two of them trump appointees

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