good good evening, three big evening, three big stories stories tonight tonight, nuclear saber rattling in, there's more saber-rattling a military escalation from from vladimir vladimir putin. putin, as a quarter billion dollar well as civil lawsuit a 12 million dollar civil against former president, lawsuit against the three of his grandchildren and ex president, three of his his company, grown children, and just before and his airtime, a major court victory in the company. -- justice department criminal probe of criminal probe of classified documents classified documents from mar-a-lago. from mar-a-lago. that is where we begin, that's where we with cnn's jessica begin with cnn's schneider. jessica schneider. this this just just happened, what more can happened, what more can you tell you tell us us from this by ruling by the 11th circuit -- court of appeals? >> >> this is this is anderson exactly what the, what exactly that been fighting justice department has been fighting, for four weeks for four weeks. . they tried to get they tried to get this this result in the district court result in the district court -- now they've had a victory at the 11th circuit this is from a unanimous panel of judges, two of them trump appointees, --

that they've been restricted from using, in their ongoing criminal probe into these classified documents, that were seized from mar-a-lago last month. the appeals court is saying here, they are really agreeing with the justice department, saying that yes, in fact, national security could be harmed if the justice department can't continue its probe here. they set the doj has argued that the criminal investigation, and then national security investment is inextricably linked. the appeals court saying, yes, in fact, if we don't let the doj continue to use these classified documents, there will be real and significant harm on the united states and the public. notably, in this opinion as well, anderson, the 11th circuit is really faulting trump's lawyers, for not better explaining what seems to be their argument, the trump may

be declassified -- [inaudible] his lawyers, his allies, but they've not offered any proof in court filings or in-person. so the 11 circuit tonight criticizing trump's team, for not being forthcoming here. >> what does this mean for the special master? >> interesting, lee this 11th circuit opinion also touches on that. remember, the next thing the doj was asking for here, was to allow the special master to look at these 100 classified documents. they wanted it kept out of view, for the special master and trump's legal team. they got that last night with the 11th circuit opinion. what this means is that the special master can continue his review, because remember there are 11,000 documents in all that he has to review, before november 30th. however, he is now restricted from looking at those 100 classified documents. so that is like a second win for the doj this point in the

night. >> can the ruling be appealed? >> it could be, we heard from the justice department in that hearing before the special master yesterday, that they would appeal it if they lost. presumably, the same goes now that trump's team has lost this. they could potentially appeal, -- so for now, doj has a win here, they can resume using those classified documents. they'll be kept out of the u.s. special master in trump's legal team. trump's team can move to appeal, this but doj is free to go about the investigation. -- >> there has been some concern among the doj, and i guess elsewhere. it was considered more conservative, or conservative court. what is the makeup of that court? >> yes, so that was a gamble here, because when doj was deciding whether or not to go to the 11th circuit, six of the

11 judges on the 11th circuit are trump appointees, but it turns out in this case it didn't matter, because a three judge panel that ruled in favor of doj tonight, two of them were appointed by trump, one of them appointed by president obama. so they took a gamble here by going to the 11th circuit. remember, they tried it first of the district court, trying to get that initial judge to overturn part of her original opinion, she wouldn't do, it so they had to go to the 11th circuit, and they appealed in a very limited way, only asking for two things. tonight, that gamble paid off, because they have a victory the 11th circuit tonight, anderson. >> jessica schneider, appreciate, it -- cnn political analyst, maggie eight haberman, she's also the off or of the new book out october 4th, titled confident man, the making of donald trump in the breaking of america. political commentator david urban, who served as a campaign strategies for the president. paul, obviously, this is a big win for the department of justice, does it surprise you, what happens next now that they

can continue using these classified documents? >> it really doesn't surprise, me because this ruling by judge cannon that the doj couldn't invest in what was going on with these classified documents, it is really kind of shocking. sources and methods, spies that we have in other countries, who knows who were affected by these records. to say the doj couldn't look at, them was really a surprising ruling. i think the appellate court decided that this was the right way to go with it, and they left the rest pretty much alone. >> the three judge panel, and the 11th, circuit lambasted the prior judge, judge, cannon is that the district court abusers discretion in exercising equitable jurisdiction here. explain what that means, and how unusual it is never rebuke like that? >> it's very unusual to get a rebuke like that. the reference to equity has to do with what is called injunctive relief. when it judges ruling not that one side has one damages, or the summit has to go to jail,

but that you have to do something affirmatively. in this case, the affirmative thing was not look at classified documents, when the u.s. government has every right to look at its own classified documents. trump drive no right to do, that just because you took them to mar-a-lago, and of courses attorneys never even positive that he had declassify those documents. i think the appellate court was really destroyed by an egregious overreach by the district judge here, and sort of slap back the decision and said no, the doj can have the records. >> maggie, this former president receives a string of favorable decisions from that judge, do you expect he's gonna try to appeal this to the supreme court? i mean, there's also questions i guess about his legal representation, because it's been criticized widely, even by other justices. >> we don't know yet, anderson, what that response is gonna, be but it's certainly the former president strategy most of these litigations is to try to drag it out. i anticipate there's a strong

possibility that they will try to appeal to a higher court, and see how far this goes. you know, this hasn't been a great legal week for them, i know there's some people around the former president yesterday were insisting that the special master hearing yesterday was not that bad, and at the special master did not sound that skeptical, he did some very skeptical. what it means in terms of what he's gonna do remains to be seen. but this decision by the circuit, which is filled with a lot of trump appointees, i think it's just another setback. however, i will just stress, trump's desire is always to drag these things out, and dragging it out is not necessarily something is gonna be upset about. >> david, the 11th circuit also wrote that the former president suggested he declassify these documents but directly stated that witness didn't provide any evidence that we had this disclose these documents. what do you think about the fact that the former

president's legal team continues to not provide any evidence of the claim. >> anderson, it's what is exactly what it looks like prime if asia, given the opportunity, if your lawyers can produce, and then it didn't happen, most likely. i believe the judge said, you can't have your cake and needed to in this situation. you can't claimants declassified, and not produce evidence because vacation. you can't just mid wave a magic wand and produce the receipts, to show that it was actually put in motion, and the classified authority would declassify, they're the actual documents evidence in that. >> do you think the supreme court would take the case, if the former president fielded to them? >> i don't think they will, but you have a former president of the united states here, it's not an ordinary case, they could. there's also another option we haven't discussed tonight. they can ask for an on bank hearing. remember, only three judges made this decision. you normally have the right to ask the entire 11 circuit here the issue, and then you can go

to the supreme court or you can go directly to the supreme court. i think maggie is right that trump delays, delays, delays, antitrust over litigate everything, so he might ask for the full on bank hearing, because that will delay things even more. >> it's not the only bad legal news the president called today. what impact, if any, -- or do you think would have any decision on whether or not he would run again. >> you mean the condition in new york? yeah, i mean look. i think you can look at this in two different ways. number one, a lot of people have talked to the former president, and don't think that his court seems to be in politics and running the campaign in the way it once was. that being, said if he doesn't run he loses a lot of attention, he loses the ability to fund-raise, and he loses potentially, if he were to run, the protections that the office before the sitting president, in terms of an investigation.

all of that is something he's aware of. i think that the people i've spoken, too close to him, we are very relieved as they have been over and over, that there is no criminal charge related here. there is a criminal referral discussed, but this is a civil action. i'll think you'll see them fight those on the same grounds if he knew -- there were couple very new details related to trump's financial habits, in his filing, and there were certainly a lot of discussions that the attorney general used of his practices. she put together a comprehensive filing, a lot of it and this is what the trump folks are pointing to repeatedly, is stuff that is largely been known. the question is going to be weather gets her differently in a court this time. >> david, do you think the former president would be more or less likely to run again, given all the news today, and just the sheer volume of legal drama surrounding it? >> right, so if you stack them up there's potentially five

cases going on right now. so you have the criminal suit by >> which -- is ongoing, you have the civil suit now. you have the district attorney in fulton county, looking at the 2020 election. we have the january 6th committee doj, then he had the mar-a-lago incident, so there are five potential losses going on. but if the president doesn't run then he can't claim that is politically motivated. if he's a candidate, republican candidate for presidency, he can look at the new york attorney general say look, as maggie said, this is all been well known and out in public for a long time, we, all these claims of me inflating the value of my quality properties, if you look at the suit, none of the financials were certified. the organization didn't sign off. so the banks relied on him i'd

be surprised, but if the president does isn't a candidate, he doesn't have a card to play. i think a mix of a bit more likely to run. >> also david, if he's not a candidate, he's a former president, but he's also just a guy in mar-a-lago, and a lot of the energy around him, and the sense of being in the center of the storm dissipates and you are just a guy that mar-a-lago -- without any of the kind of future potential out there. >> well you know, i agree with that, we but don't underestimate the trump fan base, there's a great deal of people who are not gonna stop following him because he's not the candidate, who they're gonna wait to see if he's -- still remains very strong, but if he's not a candidate, that he can't claim he's been politically victimized, and i think that's what would be important. >> take, urban mega him, and pat walton, stay with us, coming next more on that card

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order to misrepresent the value of, it according to the suit, and with a three inch million hollers. if the notion sounds familiar, that's because michael cohen laid out the exact scheme during congressional testimony back in early 2019. >> it was my experience to mr. trump inflated his total assets, when it served his purposes. such as trying to be listed among the wealthiest people in forbes, and deflated his assets to reduces real estate taxes. >> flash forward to today, cnn's kara scannell joins us now. talk more if you can about this lawsuit, and the penalties the attorney general seeking. >> anderson, the letitia james the new york attorney general, called this alleged fraud staggering, she said that the former president, donald trump, and his three eldest children committed this fraud over a decade, and then it touches nearly asked every aspect of his business, fun --

make you look at some of these examples, it's mar-a-lago, they're the new york attorney generals office said the trump had value the property is $790 million, when in fact the value was closer to $75 million. there's also a number of properties in new york, in washington d.c., as well as the hotel in las vegas. there, letitia james in her lawsuit alleges that they undervalued that property, in order to obtain a tax benefit. she also says that she believes she found some examples of federal crimes been violated including the specifically bank fraud she said she was making a referral to the internal revenue service, and the attorney's office for the southern district of new york, for them to potentially pick up the investigation. we've picked free shots both agency neither them had comments on whether they would look into the allegations but she herself is seeking some pretty steep penalties. 250 million dollar fine a permanent ban on the former

president and his three eldest children of doing any business, or serving on a board of directors. -- are not pain right, not making any loans, it could really potentially crippling business if the judge approves that. and at this point now, we will go to the next steps here, this will come up in court and before the judge. >> what's the response been from the former president? >> well former president trump was out on his social media platform today, saying that this was politically motivated, and a witch hunt. one of his attorneys alina issued a statement saying that these evaluations were all merit-less, and they would fight each and every one of them in court, anderson? >> data panel, thank, you joining us now, someone who's seen it all when it comes to the former president, investigative reporter and kate johnson. author of the big cheat, how donald trump fleeced american enriched himself in his family. back with us, cnn legal analyst

paul callaghan, how do you strong do you think the cases? >> it's a case that can be contested, some because remember the district attorney of manhattan was investigating the same thing on the criminal side, and decided not to proceed with the case. but in reading over the allegations, there's a staggering number of allegations. it's a 200-page story of what the attorney general describes as persistent fraud, perpetuated by the trump organization. and she's seeking what corporate lawyers call the corporate death penalty, which would mean the certification of the trump organization, so they couldn't even do business in new york anymore. it's a death penalty for a corporation, it's a very serious penalty if the ag wins the suit. >> david, that is a size and scope of this lawsuit, the breadth of the alleged fraud, does it surprise you at all, or does it line up with what you've learned over the many years about the former president's business practices? >> this lines up perfectly, anderson, this is how donald has behaved his entire life, the ag could've gone back a lot

further, but there's a statute of limitations on these matters. and what aj james does that is very important, if you put this right as donald doing it. donald off and will say, i was just doing what the lawyers and accountants says, and -- he said why. a good example of building was valued by appraisers 200 million trump said it was worth 527 million, and he says that's what the appraiser said, that's pretty hard evidence against trump. >> because, as you know, that is one of the arguments have been made in the past. look, new york rulers state, there's a history here of inflating values, and been fast and loose, is that an argument that would hold up in court, this was sort of how business was done, in the go go 80s and even now? >> are you asking me? >> yes, i'm sorry.

>> i'm sorry, anderson, it may or may not hold up in court. to me, it raises a different question, our banking systems in our insurance companies are clearly operating way outside of the legal structures, and they after all hold money essentially interest for depositors and premium players, so we're not enforcing the law regarding this. so the whole scope of big banking in america especially international level big banking, is just ridden with criminal behavior, and we just have a tiny law enforcement effort, and we don't really try to go after it. >> how does the burden of proof in a civil case like, this differ from a burden of proof in a criminal case. >> it's much lower, evan anderson, is by preponderance of credible evidence, which means that one side is just a little bit more evidence than the, other supposed to be on a reasonable doubt, which is what we have on somebody faces jail time. i think in this case, though, you'll have a very lengthy litigation, and the defense attorneys are gonna come in and

say hey, where are the victims? none of the banks complained about this to trump, and of course he's been under investigation for a long time, so where the victims here? and that's really what they're gonna say, and they're gonna harken back to what you open questioning about, is this what all these big real estate developers are doing in new york and other places. so that's gonna be the defense -- the district attorney said she was reporting this to federal investigators and to the irs. is that a real possibility of a criminal case? >> i don't, know my invite hesitation on that is remember the southern district investigated michael cohen, and he was trying to trade his own freedom for this case, that he could prove and produce evidence that trump did these things, and the southern district never indicted for trump on this. so has the attorney general come up with new material that michael cohen didn't know about,

that's a possibility? but it would have to be very very strong material for the southern district to go with criminal case. >> paul kind great to see you, david cay johnston as well. russian president vladimir putin has again issued a not so veiled nuclear threat over ukraine and it's kind of hundreds of thousands of more troops to join the fight it's a biggest escalation of the war since the invasion of the new york times's tom freeman next.

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well there are warning signs tonight after threats putin made about ukraine, after announcing the draft of his men up to 300,000 reservists. >> this is not a bluff, the citizens of russia can be sure, but the territorial integrity of our homeland, our independence and freedom will be insured. and those who try to blackmail

us with nuclear weapons, should know the prevailing winds can turn in their direction. >> this is not the -- three days into the war you'll recall he put russia's nuclear forces on high alert. that said, these new comments ring differently because he's now got his true some parts of ukraine and retreat, and -- sent protesters into the streets in a number of cities, more than 1000 people have been detained according to one independent monitoring group which also reports some of the demonstrators are being conscripted directly into the military, it also set off a flight to -- who will searches for the term leaving russia. addressing the un general assembly today, president biden was blunt. >> let us speak plainly. a permanent member of the united nations security council, invaded its neighbor. i attempted to erase the sovereign state from the map.

again, just today, president putin has made over nuclear threats against europe, with the reckless disregard of responsibilities, of a nonproliferation regime. now, russia is calling up more soldiers. to don't join the fight. and the kremlin is organizing, a sham referendum. we tried to annex parts of ukraine, and extremely significant violation of the un charter. the world should see these outrageous acts for what they are. >> joining me now is thomas friedman, who's written a new op-ed laid out three ways the war might end. he's also the author, of numerous bestsellers, including from beirut to jerusalem, a personal favorite of mine. first of all what is your reaction to this latest message from putin, and calling out all these reservists. >> i think it really shows the three alternatives, warnings

that is military actually -- i fell on the table, that's a real possibility. >> we already saw that the ukrainians were able to chase them out of 3700 square miles of territory that they had occupied. they had an extremely long line of defense, we know people who threw down their arms. we know people wrote how i'm about what terrible conditions, therein winter is coming, when an army loses its morale like that that can be contagious and it can happen slowly or cap and quickly so i think that option is on the table. >> also the idea that they're forcing protesters who have been arrested and put in them into the mid-hilly. if that's true that's extraordinary. >> normally people get a of jail free cards if they go to the front and if they don't will show you that doesn't speak of a war of great moral care clarity so i think the first option is that the army

can somehow break in which his case his threat of using nuclear weapons and we should take very seriously the thought of anyone using nuclear weapons says nagasaki has been half a percent. because you could not come out of the ring, but as he falls over the ropes, he could put the plunger on the bomb. i think i are compostable. the second is what's called a dirty deal, and that's what he's trying to organize here. he's organizing these referendums in the area where he is occupied ukraine. then i think that is a prelude to the next one. 40 more soldiers there, we and then saying to ukraine the west in the world. let's have a cease-fire. and if you all agree you are europeans to lift some sanctions, altering the gas elephant in the middle of the winter. i think a lot of people would resist, that but it could be very tempting. that option could fracture the

alliance, especially after giving italian election where the pro-russian government comes in. third option is a dirty deal without putin, i think that's what you thought saw a little bit today. that is you actually offer the reform people, if you will get out of ukraine, and give up all the territory of occupied since 2014. we, the west, will lift the sanctions. putin can never agree to that, because it would means a lot of 70, 000, men 50,000 people visas walter leery, billions in sanctions for nothing. but the russian people, they might be interested in that, and that then becomes a threat to him. people simply say, wait a minute, this is in our interest if it is not in his. we i think what is new today anderson is the threat of nuclear event in europe has increased, the threat of instability in russia has increased. >> which has been important

feel of vladimir putin for a long time. i remember being tied to stand, sometime in the late 90s, and there is concern then about russia itself partially breaking up. >> you got you and i grew up in a world of this very solid thing called soviet union, is gray, and all, and dangerous, but it had some solidity. we had this hope period, with boris yeltsin. then we had the period of bad boy putin. he was bad boy, but he helped us after 9/11, he helped us with the iran deal, but he tried to hack our elections, but he was sort of a bad boy that we can deal with. the thought of a pariah russia, or an unstable russia, with 5000 nuclear weapons and spending 11 time zones, we've never lived in that world. >> the second option he gave, which is a. dirty deal so landscapes in the middle that dirty deal and he obviously does not want to give up any land. how do you see in signs that zelenskyy would be willing?

we give a proposal to the un today, but it doesn't seem like there's any indications there on the advance right now. >> i was just in europe i just came back from europe the day before yesterday but i think the support for this war is very is very broad, but it's also shallow. -- if you are closing choosing between heating and eating, there will be pressure and zelenskyy. how much, i don't know. i think within ukraine, there is real solidarity, i think president biden is behind him 100 percent. but it depends, if there is a deal on the table, you never know, there will be pressure on him at some point. >> as you said, winter is coming, tom friedman, appreciate. coming, up some good, news to american forces -- after months of prisoners of war, all tied to the mom of one of them about how his gun was finally freed from russian-backed forces, next. from the world's #1 selling nerve care company. nervive contains alpha lipoic acid

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they were held captive for more than 100, days to american -- and andy tanaka when our three,

both travel to ukraine to help fight the russian invasion, both went missing on tonight, and were reported captured by russian-backed forces. i spoke to droopy's, mom and the fiancée after a week out of the two men went missing. >> i'm trying to remain strong, and calm because getting upset won't help alex at all. but hearing joy for the first time is difficult, because i feel for her. most of the time i'm really strong, because that's what alex would want. >> tonight, both men are safe, hopefully coming home soon for more on how this played out, and how it played out in saudi arabia, i'm very pleased once again to welcome many drew, key mother of john roberts yorkie. i'm so glad we're talking under these circumstances, how are you doing tonight. i can imagine how you feel?

>> i need to be weighted down, anderson, i feel like i'm just floating, i'm so happy. >> yeah, how did you get the news, when do you think you'll see him? >> we hope to see him in a few gay days, to be checked out by the medical, staff to make sure that they're healthy enough to fly. but everything is looking good so far, so we're hoping it will just be a few days. and this morning i was reading a book to my little three-year-old grandson, and i got a phone call that said saudi arabia, and i thought i don't know and he one in saudi arabia. but these days i'm just taking it anyway. -- the u.s. embassy in saudi

arabia. , she said i have your son standing right next to me. and then i went alex? -- with is a joke because you have other siblings, i said you will just do anything to make that hurt while you -- and we had a good laugh, and he said i'm free. and i said free? and he said yes, i'm free. my mind just couldn't undercut understand it, because there have been no warning, it just came out of the blue. yuck nobody is complaining, we

are all really happy about it, but it was quite a surprise. >> i'm not gonna ask if he really is your favorite son or not, but when we spoke in june, he talked about still staying strong with him. i understand the outset and andy were buddies. how important was it to you that both of them are getting to come home together? >> oh very very important, we have never talked about one without mentioning the other and in fact my next question when i realized they were actually free, the dallas, was i was like what about andrew? and he said yes, he's we here with me. he said he can't call joy because you can't remember her phone number, and i said i have a number, so i gave him the number. and andy was able to call joy, and it had been since early june that he had talked to him.

i didn't even have time to warn her that she was calling, it is blew her mind. and you've met through this horrible circumstance, you are connected for life. so maybe a couple days before you see him? >> yes, i see so i think so, i want to check them out and make sure that they're healthy enough to fly, it's a long flight, it's 14 hours, so they need to make sure that they're hydrated well, we don't think there's anything majorly wrong, they haven't indicated that. we just wanted to make sure that they were in tip-top condition. >> well, i bet you are going to hug your son tight, and it is such a pleasure to talk to you, and i'm so glad this has to resolve the way it has. thank you. >> thank you, anderson, and thank everybody for the prayers and support. >> yeah a lot of people pain

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-- patriots are in control. >> posts on this qanon radio show celebrating. >> that is the reason you are all here, because you know the truth, you all know who donald trump really is, you all know who the fight is really about and who the players are that actually want to destroy our country. >> on trump's social media platform, qanon follower saw the presidents post as a clear sign he is with them, and with qanon. >> one post, read at this point, anyone denying that q is a legit operation affiliated with the trump operation isn't in denial. at real donald trump has -- what we've seen recently from trump is different from what we've seen in the past. prior to this, he would say he's heard of these qanon people, he believes them to be great patriots. now the message is directly 1 to 1, it's no longer and the

u.s.. >> certainly, we are concerned about the qanon phenomenon. >> the fbi has warned of the dangers of qanon and its potential to inspire violence. >> what we have is a former president, potential candidate for the presidency of the united states, legitimizing what is in essence a cult. >> qanon has been associated with bizarre claims about cobbles and child sacrifice, but the slogans and symbols of qanon have now become intertwined with trump's lies about a stolen election. >> i go to a lot of trump rallies, i see a lot of people wearing qanon t-shirts. it doesn't mean they are all necessarily violent or dangerous, does it? >> it does not, and that's the most difficult law enforcement scenario to deal with, because you want to identify threats among these hundreds, sometimes thousands of people. >> trump delivered some of his speech, saturday, in youngstown ohio to a backing track. >> we are a nation that is no longer respected or listen to.

around the world. we are a nation that, in many ways, has become a joke. >> that music you hear a sounds identical to a song associated with qanon. well it played, the crowd all pointed their fingers in unison towards the sky. >> the imagery of everybody with their heads bowed, their fingers pointed in the air, showing the number one, this is where me more is our most potent, because for some people they were seen that reflected in the qanon meme, where we go one we go all, others were seen america first, been reflected. >> the trump team deny the music was a qanon song. >> it was, played into the people who are listening, that's a siren song. even if it was an accident, it becomes a perception, and it's easy to counter that, where is the no, that's not what i, meant i don't do support this group. >> but trump has never outright disavowed qanon he's instead endorsing candidates who echoed

the conspiracy theory, like mark finish him. the republican candidate for secretary of state in arizona. >> there is a lot of people involved in a pedophile network, in a distribution of children. and unfortunately, there's a whole lot of elected officials that are involved in them. >> at a fund-raiser from pinching this weekend, the performance of another qanon song, named after the qanon slogan, we we got one, we go all. ♪ ♪ ♪ danya o'sullivan joins us now. if the former president doesn't believe in the stuff, or doesn't want to raise money for the people who do believe, in it he can just come out and say this is ridiculous, they're not lizard people. politicians are not drinking the blood of children for some chromosome, or whatever it is. you can just say no i don't believe you he's been playing

footsie with this for a long time. this is just the most blatant he's ever gotten. >> exactly, that potent is so blatant there, those two qanon slogans in it, there's a cue on his lapel. he's been asked about this for these two years, now he's never disavowed, it he's never come out and said that q stuff is all crazy. now he seems to go the other way. people in a circle, his aides, some of his team try to argue that he doesn't care about qanon, he doesn't know about it, there's re-posts he just like some because he looks good in those types of memes. >> and there's nosing -- to american troops, and it's actually controlled by american troops. the post has been arrested, they tell you this extremely seriously. >> everything it goes from that very crazy the earth is flat to, maybe somewhat less crazy, theories about the election and democracy and whatnot, but all ultimately conspiracy theories, and there's a factor there all the way up. >> and it's based on antisemitic themes, which have gone forever, thanks so much we'll be right back.

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