ever. >> you think so? >> he got a body blow on the criminal side tonight with the 11th circuit allowing doj -- lifting this day doj can now proceed in using these classified documents, don, to investigate him, probably his most serious criminal exposure and even worse for donald trump, what does he care about above all? his name, his businesses, his family, his work, and this case, we talked about it last week, the corporate death penalty. this case is that -- new york attorney general letitia james is the equivalent -- >> all right, got, it you're getting ahead of all of this. here's my question,, elie doj is winning this appeal in the 11th circuit and the republicans have a strong interest, and i quote, here in ensuring that the storage of the classified records did not result in exceptionally grave damage to national security.

why do the doj have a winning argument? >> well it came down to who has the greater interest, on one hand -- doj has a really strong interest in getting access to these documents right away, because they need to resume their criminal investigation, and the federal government in general needs to look at these documents and decide if people are in danger, spies, intelligence assets, that type of thing. on the flipside, the court says donald trump has no possesses or interest in these records. what this means though, that these classified records are now -- doj right, now the alternative would have been the have to run through the special master first. if they were privileged, they would end up right back in doj hands anyways. so doj now has the more quickly. >> hold on to, this don't let me grab. i thought what you are, saying don't, mcgraw i thought this was going to be happening with those documents. that everyone was going to have a chance to look at them, right, which was obviously a break from -- also, national security at risk. i thought that is what was

going to happen to those documents. >> that was what was going to happen until we got this ruling. now the classified, documents the 100 documents out of 11,000 or so, there is no tug of war over those. those are doj. 's >> norm, the appeals court not only finding that trump had no ownership or personal interest in these documents, blasting the declassification claims. and that quote, here for blasting the claims, quote, the record contains no evidence that any of these records were being declassified and before the special master rested provided any interference of declassified any of these documents. scathing rebuke from the appeals court? >> well, it was no worse than when trump's lawyers -- have a special master judge who said you can't have your cake, and eat it as well. they are not willing to put the evidence forward, of the classification, donald trump talks about it all the time on social media, don. there is no penalties for that, but his lawyers dare not say it,

because they face very serious sanctions if they miss represent to the court. finally, in the past 24 hours, finally we have returned to planet earth. it is like we were in another dimension where the law did not apply, the facts did not apply. but for those of us who have worked in the area of classified documents, this is plain as day. >> well, i sort of sat here as the attorneys were saying, -- what this judges doing while she's ruling the way she is doing, and i just, say i'm not the, attorney i do not have jurisdiction -- in my correct, i don't have a degree in law? my father was an attorney, but i don't know that much about it. this seems to be saying, confirming that everything you guys had said. >> look, he did not declassify these documents. can we just put that to rest. this notion out, there there's no evidence of it. 18 officials have come forward, said no, way nonsense, bs, that is just --

>> timothy, this is what the court is saying, right, about donald trump? donald trump is saying tonight about almost open what happened? here he is. >> it doesn't have to be a process as i understand it. different people say different things, but as i understand it, it doesn't have to be. if you're the president of the united states, you could be classified just by saying this is the classified, even by thinking about it. [laughs] >> yeah, right, yeah, right. >> what was that guy on, the tonight show? [inaudible] >> sure, and you know what, presidents can't do it, and a former president definitely can't do it. the fbi took a photograph of the cover pages of those documents. so those are all out. everyone see them? those coverages say secret and top secret. if these documents had been

because of it by president trump when he had the authority to declassify records, they would not have had those carpet sheets on. that alone, i am not a lawyer, -- >> one can't help but not be giddy about this, but that is the most outrageous, ludicrous excuse, just by thinking about it? >> don, for four years, donald j trump tried to find ways to lie, to get his way. he lied, he lied, he lied. he has now discovered that there is a point at which lies have consequences. for four years, they did not really. he is now a former president, and the rules are different for former presidents than four presidents. the line that he got away with in the oval office is not going to give him to kind of security

now that it did then, and he is about to get the consequences. >> cnn is learning that judge ginni thomas, who is the wife of the supreme court justice, clarence thomas, has agreed to an interview with the january six committee. is it another blow for trump and another unprecedented development. >> it's a big deal because it will be under oath -- there is information out there, and on our social media post, which suggests that she was supportive of the stop the steal movement. the question is whether she was supportive of the insurrection, and whether she was supportive of the insurrection, the race is difficult questions about a supreme court justice's ability to be impartial, should there be a case beforehand. related to gender six, so her participation is important, historically and for the supreme court. >> let's talk about what happened earlier today in new york. look at this, right? the new york attorney general letitia james sent a mountain of allegations in this document, including trump wildly over valuing his properties and his assets, like mar-a-lago, his apartment in trump tower, trump park avenue and more. sometimes to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.

you point out as he said, this lawsuit is like the corporate death penalty for him, and for his company. >> down, to my mind, the most important page in that massive pie or a paper, and by the way, letitia james did not have to file a pleading that is that large. she is making a point that she has overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing. the most important page starts on page 11, and a continues on to 12. the relief sought. canceling is corporate certificates. you can't do business in the state of new york without a corporate certificate. appointing an independent monitor. if she succeeds, she is kicking him off the throne of his businesses, don. replacing the trustees, barring trump from entering into commercial real estate acquisitions, loans, permanently borrowing him from him and his kids from serving

as officers or directors of their companies. this is in essence, if she succeeds the trial, and elie is constantly reminded me that there is a big difference between allegations and a complaint and winning a trial, we both had that experience. >> you sound like a lawyer, elie. before you weigh in, i want to play this interview -- donald trump defending himself with an argument that he puts a caveat in whatever it is about the values -- here it is. >> we have a disclaimer right on the front, and it basically says, get your own people, be at your own risk. this was done by management. it was done by management, so don't rely on the statement that you are getting. >> that's an interesting defence. no, i don't think that sweater. you can say, i warned people that this might be fraudulent, so therefore, do business with

me at your own risk. >> i agree with norm, i will not read the whole thing. i agree with norm that the allegations in this complaint, a civil lawsuit, not criminal, it's a lower burden of proof. >> but she did refer it to the irs. >> she did her for it to the irs and doj. we are not talking about small variation in variation. we talk about tenfold and five fold. i also think it is true at the same time, that this is a political -- this is the outcome of a political quest by laetitia james. that is not nybo, that is not an opinion, that is based on her own words. she campaigned on vote for me, and i will now donald trump. she declared before she was

elected that trump was guilty of the crime of money laundering. on our very first day in office, she said, quote, we will definitely sue him, first an office. will be a real pain in the s, she will know my pain personally. two things can be true at once. yes, this was a strong complaint. yes, this was a result of a political quest -- >> i think you are right in that, because sometimes i often watch her interviews. i saw her on the view and ask, why is she saying that? she's coming off as a political person. when you have the evidence, then why would you do that? as you said, two things can be true. it could be a political act, but if the evidence is there, is that matter? it does >> not cancel it out. if you run for office and fund-raise, fund-raise relate to me and i will know that guy. -- i'll put it through this way would anyone be okay with her running for the attorney general of the state of delaware, both for me and i will get under biden. i'll put under biden away, i'll make joe biden's life miserable. i don't think we would be okay with that either. >> i think trump supporters and republicans are totally be okay with that. let me take the politics out of it. look at marjorie taylor greene --

>> in my idealized version of what prosecutors should do, neither of those -- >> i am often uncomfortable watching your interviews because it comes off as overtly political, but go on. >> i just want to say a word in defence of laetitia james. the first is that the merits are here, and this is even stronger than a typical civil case. she has a fifth amendment indications by donald trump and his executives, which means she can draw inference. our elected prosecutors, it's not like attorney general garland, not like federal prosecutors, it's a different system. they are directly responsive to the people, and when i -- would i have advised her to use those exact words, maybe not. but what i hear her saying is where tim started, that you have an individual who has behaved would extraordinary impunity for the law, and

things that he did over and over again would have gotten almost anyone else in america investigated and possibly prosecuted. he got a pass for all those years. she is speaking to the justifiable anger at that pattern of conduct, maybe not the most perfect words, but that's appropriate for an elected official to articulate the views of the people she represents. it's different than federal prosecutors for the ag. >> as a historian here, can you put this into historical context? the outcome, we don't have a complete outcome, but think about everything that happened, everything that transpired today legally and in all the lawsuits, civil, criminal or what have you that this particular president is facing. >> i will go back to the national security elements,. donald trump was commander in chief for 40 years, and he has displayed a contempt for national security, for people in our military, because those classified, we sometimes to overclassify to some extent, but things that are ts or above, top secret or above, those are classified for a reason, and there are classified to protect people. he has shown contempt for that, and that's for me beneath contempt.

as regards to the fact that he is the wizard of oz and he's behind the curtain and it turns out that his office is worth 10%, that's a whole different story, and it's not very pleasant. but when the rubber hits the road, we need people who are in the oval office, who actually care about our defense and our security. what he did, and what he is saying now about the classified material that he had at mar-a-lago is evidence that he never took his job seriously. for me, that's really the kicker at this point. >> it's an insult to our men and women. >> two on us. >> to everyone, thank you, gentlemen, i appreciate it.

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joining me now, just in wolf or, a professor of economic and public policy at the university of michigan. thank you very much, sir, i appreciate you joining us. what a day? these are really big headlines, the third time in a row the feds have raised rates here. what do you think that the move? >> first of all, it's very much what most economists were expecting the feds to raise rates by three quarters of a percentage point, but it's also the right move for the moment. inflation is high, inflation is troubling, and the way to claw back is to raise rates and slow economic activity somewhat. the risk to the economy, if you look at things and how easy it is to get a job, how you see people are employed, how much of vacancies there are, all seem to be in good help. so this is an attempt to slow things down to a more sustainable pace. every day, we get closer to the most beautiful of things that i have been hoping and praying

for for two and a half years which is an economy that is boring, and we hope the post covid economy will be a little less interesting. >> what people are home or thinking, what is in it for me? what's in it for us, what does this mean for the regular consumer, justin? >> right, i think that will happen is interest rates are rising, and you're already seeing that, because the move is not a surprise. banks have already hiked rates, so the folks are out there looking to buy a home right now, unfortunately, you are seeing mortgage rates of quite a bit higher. if you're looking to buy a car, loan rates, again, will be somewhat higher. that's part of what is already going on. you see people more hesitant by houses, so house price growth is coming off construction activities declining. more broadly, what the feds are trying to do is trade a little bit less of pain and inflation.

you don't get something for nothing. it's doing that by creating a little bit more pain, by slowing down the overall economy. trying to get you and i did spend less, so we no longer have more buyers than sellers in the economy, and that will hopefully lead to less pressure on prices. >> the federal reserve chairman jerome powell said today that the fed is committed to getting inflation down to 2% annual growth. take a listen. >> to accomplish that, we think we will need to do two things in particular to achieve a period of growth before low trend and softening a labor conditions to foster a better bounce. >> in order to fix inflation, you have to slow down growth and the job market, how do you do that without hurting more

people? >> there are actually two ways to fix inflation, and part of it depends on what you think is driving inflation. if you think what is going on right now is that there are too many people with too much money trying to buy too many goods, that's what economists would call a demand shock, then the way to reverse that would be to get people to spend a little less, and that's what high interest rates do. there is actually another approach to fighting inflation, and that's if you think prices are high today because of high gas prices due to putin invading ukraine, due to global supply chain as a result of covid, due to drought in many agricultural markets. but those things, the strategy is much simpler, which is we

just wait. if we wait, then we are already seeing it. gas prices up rising. while gas prices may not go back to where they were, if they stop rising, they stop contributing to inflation. so, the delicate dance for the fed is, how much to play that policy of just waking? it's a sound policy if inflation is caused by a supply side factors, versus trying to clobbered economy a little bit if you think that people in businesses are out there spending a little too much. >> after the announcement today, palace said that it's unclear whether or not that these rates can lead to a recession. are you worried about that, or are you saying, bring on a recession, a small recession? that's what i hear from some folks. >> look, a recession is never a

good thing, and not something we should ever wish on anyone. the reality of a recession is that people spend less, that means that there are fewer jobs for people to make this stuff that people were buying. what the fed is trying to do is engineer way caused a soft landing, which is rather than crashed economy, let's just stop a growing too fast. one of the things that paul has to do is that he has to be seen to be tough. what the reality is i think is still to be seen, but he has to be seen to be said i would do anything to stop inflation. because if people believe him, but no stoppers in places, and then this becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. that's why the fed is trying to, in a sense, say, hey, we are strong enough and brave enough, and we don't care enough that we would be willing to cause inflation if that's required.

here's the funny thing, the miracle is if people believe that. that's enough to cause inflation to decline, and then we don't end up needing the recession to reduce inflation after all. he is trying to manage peoples expectations and get them to think, believe and understand it that inflation may be high today, but it will come down pretty soon. >> we emit, i'm trying to understand this idea that people think that you need a recession to bring down inflation. that's why is it, some people who are economic experts are saying, a recession would not be bad in the short term, it would actually help the economy. do you understand what i am asking? >> i think some people get a little bit crazy about their economics, and if you get the underneath the economy and underneath the numbers are people. so you got to be able to connected to people's lives. what they are saying is, it's okay for us to have some families lose work and jobs, as long as others get lower prices. well, that might be one way forward, but let's admit that is a costly way forward. that's why i think it's important that the fed really is confident that the alternative strategy of reducing inflation, which is just to wait for some of the current supply shocks to work their way through the system, that's a much more painless way of producing inflation. >> got it, thank you, jus>> pre today rebuking vladimir pu what biden splus a washington pt investigation revealing that it is harder for black coaches in the nfl to get angular jobs. we will discuss later in the hour.

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russia's division of ukraine a violation of the global order at the un today. the president also rebuked vladimir putin's threats of nuclear war. >> this war is about extinguishing ukraine's right to exist as a state, plain and simple, and ukraine's right to exist as a people. whoever you are, wherever you live, whatever you believe, that should not -- that should make your blood run cold. a nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought. >> max boot is here, the senior fellow at the council of foreign relations. max, thanks for joining us. this might be one of the most intense un general assembly's in recent years. president biden forceful enough

when he talked about the possibility of nuclear threats from vladimir putin? >> absolutely, i thought president biden was very resolute and principled, and it was quite a contrast today. i thought between president biden speaking at the un and president putin speaking in moscow because here you have president biden defending the liberal international world order, the rules based system that the united states has underwritten since 1945. i thought that president biden gave a very eloquent defensive that order. i found on the very same day in moscow, you had russian dictator vladimir putin under money, threatening that order, talking and raving about how russia is supposedly under attack, justifying's invasion of ukraine, announcing an escalation in fact with the mobilization -- engaging in nuclear saber rattling, trying to scare the west and ukraine's allies away

from supporting ukraine and its quest for freedom. i thought that biden get the crux response to that, which was to say, we will not be intimidated not to engage in hyperbole with putin but delay on the line and say that we will continue to defend ukraine, because they are fighting for freedom, and that is what we believe in. i thought biden did a tremendous job. >> max, as you know, ukraine has won back some territory in recent weeks. there's a sharp rise in demand of flights out of moscow. hundreds of russians have been detained just today in a crackdown on anti war protests. were you worried about a putin will react under extreme pressure from all sides? >> of course, you have to worry about someone who is a complete dictator. but i would be more worried about what would be happening if putin were actually winning, if he were actually succeeding and extinguishing ukrainian

independence, which was his goal. look at what happened, you're not stop at ukraine, down. he would be targeting the baltics. he'll be targeting pollen. he'd be targeting finland. no country in europe would be safe, so i actually taking comfort from the success that the ukrainians have had. in the last few weeks, they liberated thousands of miles of their territory. the russians are reeling. but you heard today from putin in moscow was a desperation that putin feels. it feels as if he is losing this war, and he does not know what to do, so he is engaging and nuclear saber rattling. he is going to call out more

reserves, even though he will have a hard time equipping them. but the reality is on the ground, his forces are losing, and we need to continue supporting ukraine to liberty their territory from this russian aggression. >> i want to ask about the segment on the economy, there is fears of global recession, and it is a crisis or no, and democracy around the world is under attack. what do you think the right posture is for the u.s. and its allies are now? what should be the party? >> i think the number one priority right now internationally has to be to stop russia's war, because we

need to send a signal to china and other countries around the world that aggression is not pay. of course, one of the consequences of russia's aggression is pressure on energy prices, pressure on food prices, rising inflation. we're doing with all that fallout, and russia is hoping to use the economic pressure to decouple us from ukraine to convince the europeans in particular to stop back in ukraine. so far, it has not been working. part of the reason it's not working, don, is because president biden has been so skilled and resolute in assembling an international coalition to contain russia. this would not be happening if donald trump or the president. if trump were in office, you would see all of ukraine under russian sovereignty by now, but president biden i think has done a tremendous job of mobilizing these countries and keeping them on board and is very difficult task of stopping and responding to the russian unprovoked aggression. >> thank you max boot, always a pleasure, appreciate it. a christian advocacy group following a lawsuit against the state of florida and ron -- governor ron desantis returned spurring 50 migrants to martha's vineyard. my next guest is the executive director for the group to file the suit. this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing,

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civil rights were promised employment, educational absorb tonight's, housing, even free english classes, along with immigration assistance, if they boarded his planes. those were all fraud. they were all eyes. this is really a fraudulent scheme, a deception that targeted our clients to use them as political pawns, to make them cross state lines under false pretenses, under misrepresentations that ultimately could come very close to sabotaging and the railing there federal immigration cases. >> what is evidence that it was all false grievances? >> our clients testimonies and experiences are all consistent. they were all gathered in san antonio by perpetrators of this fraudulent scheme, promised a wide range of different services and benefits. that they never received, that the perpetrators never intended to provide and that if it had not been for extreme generosity of the people at martha's

vineyard, they would have been really at an even more vulnerable and precarious place than when they started this journey. >> the lawsuit also includes details about a false brochure made to look like a government document, conetoe us but this pressure and what was in it? >> this is all part of the evidence, of this elaborate scheme perpetrated by governor desantis, by other florida officials, by the state of florida to create materials that would lure our clients onto the plane, to make materials that would lure them across state lines. these materials were put together, manufactured for purposes of the scheme. they contained information about refugee resettlement and other services and programs that exist in massachusetts to some extent, but none of our clients were eligible for because they have not been deemed refugees. our clients have humanitarian parole status. it's really important here because there is a lot of conversation about how our

clients are undocumented, our clients are illegal, but nothing could be further from the truth. the also ran to -- they were pastas and released. they're not lurking in the shadows, they're not avoiding detection, but these materials were designed to trick and lure them, because they don't qualify for those benefits and services. these pressures replaced and shiny red folders that were given to our clients during the course of the scheme to make it look official, to make it look like they were good samaritans, looking out for the migrants, but in reality, the truth was they were caught in this elaborate web of lies, a fraudulent scheme, that made them cross state lines, and that made them much more vulnerable. >> even espinosa magical, we thank you so much for your time, and as this progresses, what have you back on with new developments. thank you so much. >> thank you.

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as likely as others to be fired after leading a team to a regular season record of 500 or better. so let's discuss. former nfl receiver dante stewart -- both here to talk about this, good evening, gary. >> hey, don, how are you? >> i am doing well. it shows just how shocking this is verity's in the nfl actually are. nearly 60% of the players are black, the coaches are reportedly overlooked. just 9% of current and coaches are black. it shows that the nfl has a very serious problem here, no? >> i absolutely agree with you, but the nfl, as we read further into the article was saying, we can't force owners to hire who we want them to hire. we've implemented rules, we've

made them aware that there are hires their, or people look different from you. we're encouraging inclusion and diversity classes. we are doing all we can do. it's up to the other. at the end of the day, you have this billion dollar industry, and you have these overly richmond. you cannot tell them who to hire, and you don't hire normally if you're not familiar with, and that's where we find the disconnect. they don't see these black coaches as they see themselves. >> it's kind of a catch 22, right? if you look at the wealth disparity in the country, two black folks really have that much money to be able to buy an nfl team? you see where i'm going with a, scary? >> absolutely, we thought that there was an attempt -- but they ended up going to the walmart family, a huge investor.

you can't fight with that money. here is the thing though, the reality is, these men are not policed. no one will tell them what to do, in fact, there's only two majority owners that identify as minorities, and that is kemp kula, who is the co-owner of the bills and then there is also calm, who has the jacksonville jaguars. those two other 32 owners, majority owners. you cannot convince these people, so we have a problem. fortunately, we can talk about it without -- to say that there is this birdie, and perhaps, we will see the human -- they had the same skill set, they're doing the same thing, before whatever reasons, they get told not just yet. >> listen, dante, the post analyzed three decades of data, interviewed current and former black head coaches, players, team executives and others in the nfl orbit, and it all pans this in picture. this is any of this comes as a surprise to you? >> no, not really. i think that the nfl, it was around 2003, i believe, when the rooney rule was implemented, which was my second year in the nfl. you saw the nfl, you saw the executives, even out to a later day, we see troy pinson, a former player, who is the vice president of operations in the nfl, very high up, who is trying to lead and push this

issue. but carrie said it, you cannot force, it's difficult to force these owners to hire mine owners, hire more black coaches when even when they are incentivized to do so, with jeff picks, incentivized to do so in other instances, but it's really a shame when the black coaches are hired, they are not afforded the same leniency as their white counterparts. they don't have the opportunity to lead a team. when they get to a franchise organization that's not very good, they don't have an opportunity to turn the team around, like you see some other white counterparts to over long periods of time. even then, when they do get the opportunity, they're not afforded really an opportunity to go to a good team, i would probably say mike tomlin is the outlier, who had a good quarterback and organizational foundation behind him. but aside, that i see despite coaches getting hired, they're getting hard to some of the

worst teams and organizations in the league. >> listen, i have also heard that in situations like this, when you get an analysis like the washington post, what they are doing, or what brian flores is doing, that even pushes these owners further into a corner and to their positions, saying, what is in it brought me? why would i even hire a black coach, because i will just get scrutinized and the possibility of if they are performing, we'll have to keep them in some capacity? you understand what i am saying, dante? >> yeah, but at the end of the day, it's really up to the others, the nfl, roger goodale, try vincent and all the other executives at the nfl can do only so much. it's really an ownership issue for the most part, and i think that since the players started to push more back against the nfl and the executives and the ownership in 2020, after the george floyd murder, at the george floyd protests, when

there was reckoning of the nation, i think that the owners tried to recognize or at least a attempted or perceived to recognize what was happening, but there still is this lack of accountability in hiring minorities and black coaches. >> carrie, i'm up against the clock here, i'll give you the last word. >> here is the deal, we cannot make, no matter how much we protests in our name, we cannot make men do what they don't want to do, they own the team, it's their, they hire for they want to hire. the request is though to look at this in a way you see the other coaches that they are hiring, meaning, take us to golf. let's got together, let's chat together. that's the only way we will get an equal footing if you see sec yourself, and that is clearly not the case here. >> carrie, dante, think about, to be continued. thank you for watching everyone, our coverage continues.

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