scarves. today our christiane amanpour was slated to interview the president of iran for his first interview outside the country. he demand she wear a head scarf, and she declined. a proud and important momentum for christiane and cnn. sad, though, for iran, which of course the whole world deserves to hear what he has to say and answer the tough questions. thank you so much for joining us. "ac 360" starts now. good evening. we begin tonight with more plain speaking from judges to the former president and his attorneys. today the court-appointed special master ordered trump's attorneys to back up their client's now repeated claims that the fbi planted evidence during their search at mar-a-lago. just last night, three judges from the 11th circuit court of appeals cast doubt on trump's other unsubstantiated claim that he declassified all the documents in his possession. the judges wrote, quote, the record contains no evidence that any of these records were

declassified. and providing any evidence that he had declassified any of these documents. now as we and others have reported, and as every expert we have spoken to has said, there is a process for declassification. and if you don't believe them, take it from these republican senators today. >> there is a process for declassifying documents. >> there is a process that one must go through. >> okay. so that's pretty clear. what isn't clear or accurate is what the former president claimed in an interview last night with his tv friend sean hannity. >> if you're the president of the united states, you can declassify just by saying it's declassified. even by thinking about it, because you're sending it to mar-a-lago or to wherever you're sending it. and it doesn't have to be a process. there can be a process, but it doesn't have to be. you're the president. you make that decision. so when you send it, it's declassified. >> even by thinking about it. those are his words, which raises the question if a president can declassify something that way just by thinking it, can the next

president reclassify it by thinking the opposite? now that may sound absurd to anyone who isn't stoned right now, but it's not that absurd when you consider some of the other claims the former president and his allies have made about the documents at mar-a-lago. rudy giuliani you'll remember claimed that keeping top secret documents at a palm beach resort was, quote, roughly as safe as they were in the first place. now last night, the former president again claimed or tried to suggest the fbi planted evidence during their search. >> the problem that you have is they go into rooms. they won't let anybody near them. they won't even let them in the same building. did they drop anything into those piles? or did they do it later? there is no chain of custody here with them. >> wouldn't that be on videotape potentially? >> no, i don't think so. they're in a room. >> it is true there were people in the room. that's about the only accurate part of the statement. so now we wait to see how the former president's attorneys will respond to that, the special master they themselves

asked for, judge raymond dearie who said in effect put up or shut up. and he wants their response in writing and a court filing following a real process. unlike the president, they cannot just think it. here to talk about it david urban who served as campaign strategist to the former president. also norm eisen. norm, you worked on the classification protocol when you served in the white house. what do you say to the former president's claim that just thinking about declassifying it can declassify them? and please verbally answer, not just telepathically. >> anderson, you'll look high and low in executive order 13526, which still remains the law to find a clause that says just by thinking about it, i can declassify a document. even a president has to submit to the law. that's the core american idea. >> but the president can decide and -- decide to declassify something, but then there is a

ripple effect process that there is evidence that he has done such a thing? >> there has to be, anderson. because if you think about these documents, as someone who himself had the highest security clearance, tssci, when i look at those papers, i don't see documents. i see people, the humans who stand behind them, americans and our allies who gather this intelligence, the american people who are protected by these extremely sensitive secrets, and the danger that people are put in here and abroad when it gets out. that's why we have a process. and for some of these documents, you have to go back to the classifying authority, even if you're the president. that is why we have laws. and there is no place where we need them more than with these extremely sensitive, dangerous documents. >> david, is the former president diagnose his legal team any favors by continuing to make comments like this? because now with judges telling his lawyers, look, produce the

evidence for your claims, sign your own names to it. if they don't, it certainly doesn't make the former president look good. >> anderson, you're right about that. and i hate to agree with norm, but i will, you know. the eo that exists could have been updated by donald trump. he chose not to update it. president biden hasn't chose to update it as well. it's the same eo that was in place that president obama put in place on classified material. and it lays out specifically who the classifying authorities are and what the powers, what things should be classified and why. and just as that process, when you submit something, the president can say i think this should be classified. it goes to classifying an original classifying authority who will then put on the document why it's classified, who classifies it, when it's classified. and then as norm says, when the president is going to declassify, if he did think about declassifying it, there needs to be a memorandum that evidences that. it goes in the reverse order

saying the president thought about this, told me should it be declassified. here is the memo how it is declassified. and then on those documents themselves, they are stamped declassified in accordance with this memorandum on this date by this authority. so there is an entire chain of custody of paperwork that would be there to evidence that that's just not in place. so the president is leaving his lawyers very little wiggle room here. >> norm, the special masters also opened the door actually to witness testimony. i want to get his words, potentially holding a hearing. where witnesses with knowledge of the relevant facts could be called to testify about mar-a-lago. would that possibly include the former president? >> well, if the government sought to bring the former president to that hearing or if the president's own lawyers did so, potentially it could. >> that's seems highly unlikely. >> it's unlikely at this stage that they would do that, including, anderson, because the president is at very -- i think very serious and perhaps the most serious risk of possible

prosecution. we'll see what happens, because of the possession of these classified documents. anderson, if you or i or david had even a single one of these documents or two or three, we would surely be investigated. and if you look at the history of the laws, very likely be prosecuted for their possession. the president had over 100 of them. and there is no -- when we were kids, maybe, you watch bewitched with elizabeth montgomery where she would blink her eyes and wiggle her nose and change reality. that doesn't work with classification authorities. >> david, we heard some top republicans senators in no uncertain terms rejecting the declassification claims. obviously, look, president's supporters probably don't care about this, you know, but does this -- when his attorneys are not able to back up his claims,

what are the ripple effects for that? >> i mean, it's going to be unfortunate. look, at some point you can only delay so long, right. you can ask for an enbanc hearing of the 11thth circuit, and then they're going to decide. and at some point, this going to be decided. and i don't think it's going to be decided in the president's favor, unfortunately, because as norm points out, and as many experts have pointed out, there needs to be documents that evidence this declassification, right. in 2020, there is a court hearing that said declassification cannot occur unless designated officials followed specified procedures. that's the court ruling on a previous statement that donald trump made in 2020 about i blanketly declassify some documents. the court ruled in that case and said not so. >> appreciate it. now to michigan, where running for a statewide office this year, someone who has been more than willing on numerous occasions to spread that lie. but now that he is under criminal investigation, andrew griffin has questions for him, it's a different story.

>> reporter: this guy smiling for the pictures is running to about the top law enforcement official in the state of michigan. so why is he also running from us? mr. di perno, we'd like to give you every opportunity to answer some questions. >> reporter: matt diperno is also under criminal investigation for a conspiracy to unlawfully obtain access to voting machines, though he hasn't been charged. he is also one of the main sources of the biggest lies surrounding the 2020 election, a debunked tale that dominion voting tabulators changed votes from trump to biden. his campaign manager initially told cnn he would do an interview. that didn't happen. >> mr. diperno, can we just have ah minutes of your time? we've been trying to ask you a question for a month and a half. what were you trying to do with those tabulators? what were you trying to prove? >> reporter: di perno and eight others tried to prove there was fraud in the 20 tent elect,

according to the current state attorney general. they illegally seized voting machines and broke into the tabulators and performed tests on the equipment. >> we've been able to show through our case how the machines can actually manipulate votes. >> reporter: it is simply nonsense. at one point, di perno even posted a video of one of his so-called experts breaking into an actual voting machine, unintentionally proving how difficult it would be to manipulate votes. every machine would have to be physically breached, which is a crime. >> what needs to happen here is databased inification plans. >> secretary of state. >> that seems to me like a crime on video. >> sure does to me as well. and as the state's chief election officer, my job is to report those potential crimes, which i did. and also ensure that any machines that are tampered with are decommissioned and replaced. >> reporter: cnn as learned deperno's so-called private investigation may have led to

attempts to open sealed paper ballots. in an email to an attorney in march 2021, the clerk of berry county, michigan said deperno told her she would need to collect the ballots that are under seal, and deperno said they would be opening the bags and resealing them. the clerk refused. michigan's results were not only certified, local audits and a state senate report led by republicans found no evidence of widespread or systematic fraud. >> the report is adopted. >> what's so alarming is that deperno's scheme in michigan is linked to others just like it across the country. authorities in multiple states are investigating voting machine breaches. in a colorado case, two men who work with deperno are named on a warrant in a federal investigation for identity theft and intentional damage to a protected computer. also named, mike lindell, the mypillow guy. >> just demand an audit. >> reporter: who has been one of the most vocal spreaders of lies

about voting machines. and in georgia, this surveillance video shows deperno's i.t. expert, remember, the guy from that video? in a restricted area of an elections office where voting machines were breached. and another one of deperno's i.t. experts claims in a court case he forensically examined dominion voting systems in arizona, michigan, colorado, and georgia. secretary of state benson says her state gave information to the department of justice. >> i think we've seen on every level a lot of evidence that this is a nationally coordinated effort, whether it's to try to gain access to our voting machines, whether it is trying to run candidates who are spouting misinformation to become chief election officers. >> reporter: in michigan, not only is deperno running for attorney general, the republican nominees for governor, lieutenant governor and secretary of state all say they believe the meritless claim the 2020 election was fraudulent.

should they win, they would control upcoming elections. in fact, 27 states have an election denier running for a position that could influence elections. >> we're in a very dangerous moment right now. if people who are running on a platform of election denial, telling their voters that they will in fact put their thumb on the scale to ensure that their candidates win, we could have a real problem with actual democracy in the united states. >> reporter: election system adviser david becker says the danger is not just if candidates win, but also if they lose and refuse to accept the results. >> imagine we have dozens of january 6ths all over the country at different places and times. >> reporter: which is why the upcoming midterms are so consequential. in michigan, voters will choose if election deniers will lead their state, including a potential attorney general under criminal investigation. are you worried you'll be indicted before the election, sir?

>> andrew joins us now. is it a possibility he is going to be charged before lengelecti day? what's the status of the investigation? >> it doesn't look like it. the special prosecutor just ordered more investigative work to be done before he can make a decision on those charges. >> drew griffin, appreciate it. thank you. next, what happened when cnn's christiane amanpour tried to interview iran's president about a young woman's death in police custody in the week-long unrest it sparked across the islamic republic. and later, alex jones' first day of testimony in the sandy hook trial and the cruel spectacle he inflicted on the families of children whose murders he spread so many lies about. and find the a answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. - common percy! - yeah let's go! on a trip. book with priceline. - wooo. - wooo. wooooo!!!!!

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damaged car, burning buildings. almost eight people have been killed in recent days. by security forces firing metal pallets at close range. other video shows people destdes destdes destroying posters of the extreme leader and women burning their hijabs and cutting off their hair. this began with the death of mahsa amini for allegedly violating the country's hijab law. christiane amanpour planned to ask the country's president. he agreed to the interview, but as you can see by the empty chair across from christiane, he backed out. she, however, is thankfully here with us tonight. so how did all this unfold? you were set to interview him. >> i was. as you can imagine, we had done quite a loft groundwork to try to get the interview. and it was difficult. there is no doubt about it. it was difficult to get the agreement. and it wasn't 100% until actually yesterday, wednesday. and well, it's going to be this

hour and then it's at this hour. we turn up, and as you can see, we set up all the lights. we're told it's going to go on. and we were told he was about to come down, about 8:30 after saying some prayers and the rest, resting. and then i was told by one of the aides that -- that the president had a suggestion that i should wear a head scarf. so, look, you know, i'm used to covering these kinds of situations. i will wear a head scarf in iran where it's actually the law and pretty much you have to, certainly as a foreign correspondent. but here you don't. i just figured instantly in that moment that i had no choice but to, a, stand up for journalistic principles, and b, it's happening at a very important time, when the whole idea of the hijab is at issue in this terrible round of protests. >> we have video interviewing various iranian presidents over the years and there is this

precedent of here in the u.s. not wearing it. >> yeah. >> this time in particular, because this woman who died in police custody from these -- these really notorious morality police, the idea of having to wear a head scarf at that time -- >> it was just a non-starter. it was just a non-starter. it's unprecedented that we've got this kind of pressure and this kind of suggestion. i genuinely believe that, a, either he did not want to do the interview, or he did not want to be seen publicly, especially inside iran with a female journalist who is not wearing a scarf given the circumstances. >> what do you make of the images are extraordinary? >> yes. the important thing is what's happening, and of course i would have wanted to ask him how he is going to deal with that, which is a most significant protest in iran since 2019. and back then, there was, according to various different press source and social media, because, you know, there is no other way the get news, something like officially 1,500

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today was incredibly emotional day for family and loved ones of eight of the victims of the sandy hook massacre. they finally faced the man who turned a day they will never forget into a nightmare that they can never escape. alex jones testified for the first time in what is the second trial to determine what he owes financially to the families and others for the lies that he spread and for which he has already been found liable. this time in connecticut, and just so we're clear, because mr. jones likes to skate past what he previously said. he called the murder of 20 children and 6 adults a hoax. staged, phony as a three bill, a false flag operation, comparing it to hitler blowing up the reichstag, and a example of the pain. on a personal level, his attacks of his followers have been felt by individual families as well.

in fact, the reach of his following is so broad that a youtube channel carrying the trial had to shut down the comment section. the reason due to threatening comments towards victims' families. again, it's a nightmare that even to this day cannot escape and was display toward the end of today's testimony. the attorneys questioned jones about robbie parker. his little girl emily was murdered at newtown. in the aftermath, robbie parker participated in a news conference about the mass murder and his daughter. at the time, jones essentially accused robbie parker of faking his emotion that day. jones actually -- his actual quote at the time, quote, he is laughing, and then he goes over and starts basically breaking down and crying. he said that about a father who suffered the worst fate that can happen to any parent. the plaintiff's lawyer asked jones about those attacks on parker who was at the trial today, and that's when the courtroom exploded. >> robbie parker is sitting right here. see real, isn't he? >> yes. >> and for years, you put a target on his back, didn't you? >> objection in the form of

the -- >> well, i mean -- >> didn't you? >> i said his name, that's true. i said other people's names. that's who they are. >> you put a target on his back, just like you did every single parent and loved one sitting here. >> no i didn't. >> that's argumentative. no foundation for it, and it's inappropriate -- >> these are real people. >> i think you told him to move on. >> just like all the iraqis that you liberals killed and love. you're unbelievable. you switch on emotions on and off you want. you're just ambulance chasing. >> why don't you show a little respect. >> objection, judge. you get what you get in there courtroom. objection. >> you have families in this courtroom here that lost children, sisters, wives. moms. >> this is a struggle session or are we in china? i've already said i'm sorry 100

times, and i'm done saying i'm sorry. >> "the new york times" elizabeth williamson who has covered the trial and was in the courtroom today. she is the author of the remarkable book "sandy hook: an american tragedy and the battle for truth." did alex jones show any kind of remorse on the stand today? and i'm wondering how the family has reacted to the chaos. >> so, anderson, no, he didn't show any remorse. he has repeatedly said that he's apologized to the families. but if you try to look for evidence of that, it's nonexistent. i mean, he has -- anything he's tried to say in a kind of halfway has always been accompanied by a wink and a nod to his audience, which are conspiracy-minded and continue to believe that sandy hook -- sandy hook was a false flag. so no. and the families were reacting to really what they were reacting to was the videotape of robbie parker talking about his daughter on the night after her death, which was also something

that didn't move alex jones. >> he continues to raise money all this time. i mean, he is trying to make money off this trial. >> yeah. he has created a web -- sorry about that. he has created a website called kangaroo court in which he's inviting his supporters to help send money and support his legal defense in this case. it's notable that this is the first day that he has shown up in court, even though this trial has been going on for more than two weeks, although he has been holding press conferences out in front of the court and maligning the trial on his show. >> as we heard, the family's attorneys told jones he put a target on the families' backs. we know they still face threats from people who still believe jones' lies. you tweeted there is actually a conspiracy theorist sitting behind you in court. what was that person saying?

>> yeah so, that person came in sort of right at that pivotal moment when jones started falling apart, and the proceedings started to really go off the rails. and, you know, they were playing this videotape of robbie just reminiscing about emily in a press conference, you know, as i said, the night after her death. he was tearful. he was actually expressing compassion, including for the gunman. and this guy was sitting behind me kind of snickering and hissing and saying "fake." so that just shows you how these theories have endured and how alex jones continues to press the buttons of his audience a decade after the shooting. >> so there was the other similar trial that jones faced in texas. the jury awarded the parents of a sandy hook victim almost $50 million. that total may end up being capped by state law there. what kind of judgment could jones be facing in the trial in connecticut? >> so here in connecticut, the laws are quite different.

as, you know, i've written about for the times, jones has lost all four of the defamation cases filed by the sandy hook families against him. so these are just trials for damages. this is the second of three. so here in connecticut, he has been found already liable for violating the unfair trade practices act here in the state by using lies to sell merchandise. so there is no limit on the punitive damages that could be assessed to him as a result of violating that law. so he's really fighting for his financial life here. so maybe that accounted for some of his behavior today. >> elizabeth williamson, your reporting has been extraordinary. thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> thanks, anderson. up next, the latest on russians trying to escape vladimir putin's mobilization order. plus, i'll speak with the international criminal court chief prosecutor and get his response, the attack leveled at him today at the u.n. by russia's foreign minister.

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vladimir putin's new mobilization to revive his depleted forces in ukraine has sparked images like this, long queues with russia's land border with the nation of georgia. at least 1300 have been detained across the country for anti-war protests. the scenes of the actual mobilization can also be heartbreaking, tearful goodbyes between family members.

there was a far more tense scene today at the u.n. security meeting at the u.n. in new york. sergey lavrov arrived, gave his speech, blaming ukraine for the invasion. and then essentially walked out. he also attacked our next guest, karim khan, chief prosecutor for the international court who has been in ukraine investigating allegations of war crimes. >> translator: we have no confidence in the work of this body. for eight months, we're waiting for steps to be taken against impunity in ukraine, and we don't anything more from this institution or a whole range of other international institutions. >> i'm joined now by karim khan, chief prosecutor for the international court. any response to what he said? >> no. it was interesting. i think you summarized it very accurately. no confidence in international situations, not just international criminal court, but the other institutions as well. all one can do is keep trying to do one's job.

>> let's talk about what you're doing in the ukraine. because it's really extraordinary. this is the biggest operation, field operation for the icc, is that right? >> absolutely. the biggest deployment in the history of the icc was in may. and since then, i've had a continuous field presence in the field, investigating crimes within our jurisdiction. >> can you explain how you are working? obviously, we've seen images of horrible things happening in ukraine. you have to figure out a chain of command. you have to figure out what is something you can gather evidence and prosecute. how do you go about that? >> you know, divide it up and try to have a structural investigation, and looking at the information we receive and trying to verify it. i have identified certain priorities. i'm trying to partner with the ukrainians, other national authority, and i've got people on the ground. one has seen a clear -- you've been all over ukraine. you've seen the bodies in bucha,

and you've seen the destruction of buildingss and want to see clear allegations that i think have a solid basis to what appears to be the targeting of hospitals and schools. and one is focusing on those and look at the children, thousands of children have apparently been moved into ukraine. so focused on those and trying to look at the different reservoir of evidence, witnesses, but other evidence as well to see what is the truth. and that's what it's about. it's not about politics. it's about getting to the bottom line of what's going on. >> something you said in your speech today really struck me. you said in any conflict there are responsibilities. anybody who picks up gun, anybody who fires a missile must realize that the law is alive and not in slumber, and accountability is absolutely essential, and that requires determined action. that notion that you want russian soldiers, any soldiers in the field know that the law is not in slumber. the law is alive and will apply to them, that they have -- they

have agency over their own actions. >> absolutely. we know from nuremburg, superior orders is no defense. whether you're a senior commander or foot soldier, nobody should labor u.s. misapprehension and get away with it that in the fug of war you can target peaceful people. in tend, there is a multiplicity of sources. that in the end, whatever the difficulties we have record internationally of being able to build a case against those individuals that are most responsible. and we need persistence and determination against national authorities as well. >> you've devoted your life to the law to justice. often in the past, the icc has worked after a conflict is over. you are -- this is ongoing. and is that -- that's got to bring its own challenges. >> it does. but it also brings opportunities. i mean, we're not here for ourselves as lawyers or for

judges. we have to be here for the most vulnerable. and that means whatever the inconvenience, whatever the difficulties we need to be where we're most needed. and unfortunately, when we investigate war crimes, very often the best place to be is in a war zone. and the opportunity is very often battlefield evidence is available, and that persistence, that determination i think allows us to build partnership with different authorities, the united nations and different stakeholders, but actually, grab evidence, collect it and scrutinize it so that we can hopefully get to the bottom of what's going on. >> vladimir putin has announced this mobilization, at least 300,000 russian troops perhaps could be involved. what are you most worried about this conflict escalating? what worries you most about this conflict and about being able to do your job? >> well, i think everybody has multiplicity of worries. from the children that are crossing borders with plastic bags and with mothers or

grandmothers, that's a massive worry, what will happen to their futures. what will happen? will they have something to go back to? but this is also an existential threat in many ways because we have the secretary general of the united nations, never mind president putin and others, have raised the spector of nuclear weapons. this is something that should stop us in our tracks, not to be diverted or to be bullied, but to realize this is a very pivotal moment. what we need to do is understand that the rule of law and accountability has a part to play. it's not going to solve, you know, all the issues in the world. but it's -- we need to realize that that is one of the anchors of stability and security. and to try to deliver on promises made since nurenburg. i mean, we keep saying never again. we keep lamenting and crying when we see rwanda and we see yugoslavia and we see bombed out hospitals and schools and shelters and refugees, you know, in bangladesh, from the

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won this county with more than 83% of the vote in 2020. >> the united states of america. >> reporter: every week, a group of retired veterans meets at the route 220 diner to meet coffee and talk politics. >> these are people that are running businesses and saying let us run our own show, and we may not have all the education that you do, and we may not know all of the -- all of the intricate things about economics, but we know how to balance a checkbook. >> reporter: this is the same diner republican senate candidate dr. mehmet oz visited back in february. oz eked out a primary victory after a recount, winning by just 951 votes, and faced the immediate challenge of consolidating the support of a somewhat skeptical pennsylvania gop base. >> oz was trump's candidate. he's not our candidate. people in bedford county are probably going to hold their noses and vote for him because fetterman is a dead loss as a

candidate. >> that's my feeling about oz. i'm sorry that i'm going to have to vote for him, but i'd rather see him as a senator than see fetterman. >> reporter: a recent cbs news poll showed that's what i feel like about oz. i'm sorry i'm going to have to vote for him, but i'd rather see him than see fetterman. >> a recent cbs news poll showed just 36% of oz's supporters say they are, quote, very enthusiastic about voting for him. 64% of republican voters in pennsylvania said they wished someone else had been nominated. still in bedford and neighboring summer set county, where trump won with more than 77% of the vote, most republican voters we spoke with are ready to cast their ballot for oz. more than anything, eager to deny his opponent, democratic lieutenant governor john

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all this week in a series we call champions for change rngs cnn is bringing you stories of everyday people who are changing society and getting things done. my friend jimmy hash is a retired navy seal who is working to avoid the mistakes learned from the war in afghanistan. he's doing it with the help of college students. many of them were just babies at the beginning of the united states' longest war. >> reporter: it's been a long journey for former navy seal jimmy hatch to the halls of yale. at 55, after a lifetime of service, he's finally pursuing his college degree and

investigating the war that nearly cost him his life. we first met jimmy back in 2015. >> rescue stuff is really hard. >> reporter: he was speaking out for the first time about a mission to rescue army soldier b beau berg dahl in afghanistan. he suffer a catastrophic gunshot wound. jimmy had to be rescued. bandaged and bleeding, his 21 years as a navy seal for over. he was awarded the purple heart and bronze star for his actions that night. >> we will not lose this war because that's deep. there's a lot of layers. and we're all blessed. >> reporter: pat was blessed to survive, but his military dog was killed on the mission. he honored the dog and other working dogs who helped save lives by founding spikes k-9 fund, a charity that provides protective gear and training for

working dogs who face danger. in 2017, i first profiled jimmy as a champion for change. he convinced me to go sky diving with him to raise money for spike's k-9 fund. in 2019, after a chance meeting with the yale professor on another sky diving trip, jimmy was encouraged to apply to eli whitney program for non-traditional students with exceptional backgrounds and aspirations. >> a few months later, i received an email saying that i was accepted and i was shocked. and i looked at my wife, and she said, you'd be an idiot if you didn't go. >> reporter: so, age 22, jimmy hatch became the oldest freshman in yale's class of 2023. last year, from the united states' chaotic withdrawal from chaotic afghanistan, i asked jimmy to come on cnn, as someone who fought and lost so much there. >> i think we did a lot of wrong things in afghanistan.

and i think the solution is to figure out how not to do it again. >> reporter: turns out yale university liked jimmy's idea. they designed a year-long class to investigate what went wrong in afghanistan and produce a report of their findings. they invited jimmy, the undergraduate, to not only take the graduate level class but to be an unofficial coprofessor with retired u.s. ambassador ann patterson. >> jimmy was basically the founder behind the course. and he was a huge benefit because jimmy had had on the ground experience in afghanistan. >> my first class was there. >> reporter: jimmy whrks he came to yale, i think showed us that education is service too, that his service to the country didn't end when he stopped being a navy seal and serving in active combat. but his idea that this was a new phase of his service to the country and that he was there to learn something so that the world would be better.

>> reporter: the class spent months speaking to a number of generals, ambassadors, members of the afghan special forces, and even a spokesman for the taliban. >> i do believe that one of the things that need to happen if the military is going to stop being the easy button for how we solve things is we're going to have to talk to people we don't want to talk to. so, for me, the last people in the world i want to talk to was the taliban. >> jimmy hatch hopes the report will inspire americans of all walks of life to hold the country's leaders accountable in america's future conflicts. >> i believe that in a way, a part of the united states of america died in afghanistan and that my classmates and i picked them up and brought them into our classroom and are attempting to bury them with respect and learn their lessons that created them