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just poisonings. i spoke with the dea administrator in april, and she said that fentanyl is the most deadly and addictive drug that is widespread in the united states right now. you can learn more at songforcharlie.org. >> thank you so much, kate, for doing this report. join us tomorrow night 8:00 p.m. eastern for the remarkable stories of "champions for change," only here on cnn. thanks very much for watching. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. unthinkable, before and after pictures of a ukrainian commander just released from russian custody. the united states tonight warns putin, don't dare use your nukes. and trump's secret fight to block the jury investigating january 6th.
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good evening, i'm erin burnett. out front tonight, the horror. ukraine's ministry of defense releasing these jarring and grotesque images. this is before and after. the soldier here is ukrainian. the image on the left is him taken during the siege of the azostal steel plant. that is when they were hunkered down not getting the full food and water that they needed. but there he was fighting. and on the right four months later, that is him now, starved, deformed. it is not even possible to imagine what happened to that man. and yet that picture is the reality. it is how russia is treating human beings. and you can't look the other way when you see that. it comes as putin has taken the war to a whole new level today running a sham election in parts of ukraine that are kind of under russian control. i'll show you the ballot.
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it reads just one question. the wording varies depending on the region. are you in favor of seceding from ukraine and joining the russian federation? and down at the bottom, as you can see, yes or no. that's it, one question, one answer. well, what do you think the percentage is going to be on no? the ballots are being handed out by election workers accompanied by heavily armed russian soldiers. here's video of them showing up. oh, hey, check the box, here's a russian soldier making sure people vote. i want to mention that while cnn cannot verify the location of the actual video that you're looking at here, it was uploaded today in. a statement president biden says the u.s. will never recognize russia's sham referenda. it claims the president calls them a farce. but the reality is it's hugely significant because once these areas are declared russian territory by putin, putin will claim the right to retaliate as those areas are taken in the ukrainian counteroffensive. and that word retaliate, it's not just an image you saw before
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and after. it now can mean nuclear weapons. it comes as there's a chilling prediction is putin is about to flood the war zone with many hundreds of more thousands troops than the initial 300,000 that he said he would draft this week. here's president zelenskyy. >> translator: the russian army wants to call up to 1 million people. we know that they're going to take everyone without any difference. >> a million. they said 300,000. a million. remember, the original invasion of ukraine in february was 150,000 troops. and now we're talking about possibly 1 million. matthew chance is out front live in london. and, matthew, obviously you've spent so much time on the ground reporting from moscow as well as ukraine. what more are you learning now about those trying to avoid what appears to be a mass mobilization in russia? >> yeah.
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it does. i've not seen people in russia as alarmed in this as recent years as the sort of levels of anxiety they're expecting right now. thousands of them, we're seeing the images, are still struggling to get out of the country to avoid being pressed into military service in what the kremlin calls its partial mobilization. that's happening still now as we speak tonight. but having said that, though, there are many thousands of people that are being called up and are heeding that kremlin call to arms. in the darkness, russian men being wrenched away to fight. these are heart-breaking scenes from dagistan in southern russia where wives and mothers are wailing in despair.
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the kremlin says this is just a partial mobilization. but rights activists tell cnn ethnic minorities in remote regions of russia are being disproportionately called up. one way, perhaps, of hiding the impact. [ chanting ] across the entire country, though, an eruption of anger that putin's forced mobilizations are having protesters risking jail, even direct conscription into the ranks. people here are simply terrified of loved ones being sent to kill or be killed in ukraine. >> translator: i've got two kids of conscription age. i brought them up alone, and i don't want to lose them. and for what, asks her friend. just so they can kill the sons
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of other mothers, she answers. there are growing concerns, too, the kremlin is violating its own pledge that any reserviced with military experience will be called up. but men like this man, coal miner in siberia who recorded himself on the military bus taking him away, insists he's never served. it was officially summoned like many other workers to join up during his shift. i just didn't know what to do, he says. and thousands of russian men are fighting age and are desperate to avoid that fate. cramming into trains like this one to neighboring kazakhstan or driving to the nearest border crossing. cheap flights have quickly sold out.
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everyone is on the run from russia, this man's voice says, amid endless cars now making for the exits. escaping the trauma of being sent to putin's war. well, erin, there's more controversy tonight in russia referring to exactly about how many people are going to be called up in this mobilization. it's not just volodymyr zelenskyy of ukraine saying it's a million. local media in russia is quoting their sources saying that that's the figure they've been told as well. the kremlin says that's lies, but we will see. >> thank you very much, matthew chance. powerful piece. now the executive director and lead russia investigator at bellingcat, which has uncovered so much of the truth of what's happening here in putin's war. and retired army lieutenant general. thanks to both of you. just watching that powerful piece by matthew chance.
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you know, we hear that there is disproportionate callup of certain ethnic minorities. clearly the number doesn't seem to be 300,000 reserviced. and the russia state media themselves are saying 1 million. what more are you learning is happening with the mobilization? >> one thing we see is indeed the disproportionate recruitment of people that are from ethnic minorities. we see that if we take the average of moscow being, we have evidence is that 30,000 people will be called up in this wave of moscow. that's about 1% of the stated 300,000. but if you look at what percentage of the people are being called up in dagistan, that's about five times more than in moscow. because of the poor nature of those regions, a lot more people have sort of prior military experience because they needed a job. but, in any case, this leads to disproportionate attack on minorities in terms of who is going to die in the first wave of this mobilization.
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the second thing, we're finding, is obviously the complete randomness and chaos of the recruitment process, the mobilization process. clearly this was not something that was prepared well. we can account for a lot of incompetences in the russian army based on what we saw in the first six, seven months of the war. but this is really incompetent. one person was 63 years old and he was brought in to be mobilized clearly outside of any range of being allowed by law. somebody who had body damage, somebody who had a missing limb was recruited. so clearly they had some incomplete random information, which leads to a conclusion that putin did not really prepare for this mobilization. this mobilization, as matthew said, is causing a major social explosion. and putin was doing everything possible to avoid that. >> that's what he has. and i think those words are powerful, social explosion. general seems to indicate that putin did this quickly and did
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it with his back against a wall. clearly they're not prepared. the images that are coming in of how they're mobilizing and where they're sleeping. this is insane. no professional would do it this way. it comes as we're hearing more and more threats of nukes from putin. and cnn is reporting that the u.s. has privately urged russia not to use nukes. does that warning mean anything? >> it does, erin. if i may, i'll comment on what he just said, first. you used the words chaotic, dysfunctional, insane. and i will say this is a recurring theme. watching these pictures -- it's unbelievable to me. i knew it was going to be bad. again, i'm going to say we didn't know it was going to be this bad. this is horrific. two lessons i learned as a soldier. erin, there was a time when our
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unit was asked to stay three months longer in iraq. i was sent back to germany to talk to the spouses and the family members of the soldiers that had to stay beyond their 12-montour. it was horrible for me to do it. but it was something that i learned very early on, don't ever piss off wives or mothers. what putin has done is pissed off 300,000 wives or mothers. this is not going to end well. the whole threat of nuclear weapons, that's something that has to be addressed because it is horrific to even tlehreaten use those weapons. i think the administration is handling that in the right way to issue warnings, deterrent, and maybe some nuanced approaches on what might happen if mr. putin decides to do another insane thing. >> when we look at that before and after image, i can't imagine why the russians, putin would even release soldiers in that
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case. deformed, tortured, starved. these are pictures out of auschwitz is what we're essentially looking at. you have been geolocating and specifically tracking war crimes. >> i have to say that my own feeling is that after this war is over, the whole international law on war crimes will have to be rewritten because the russians are coming up with new ways that haven't even been foreseen in existing legislation. part of that is because there are so many unchartered, not only wagner, there may be more. they're recruiting people from jails, from prisons who are given a free-out-of-jail card if they die on the battlefield. so all of this is almost unseen before. what we see is at this very moment we've counted more than 1,500 incidents of civilian harm. the large majority of that comes
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from russian indiscriminate shelling, targeting residential areas, torture, execution. and that's just -- it's hard to go through those pieces of evidence and be objective when you have all of that. >> it is. and, general, let me, again, show the side-by-side pictures of the ukrainian soldier before and after, in azovstal and then after. what do you see when you look at this picture? it brings honestly chills when you look at that. >> there are two specific articles of the geneva convention. one addresses the attack against civilians, another one addresses the treatment of prisoners of war. with all of the evidence that we've seen thus far of the attacks against civilians, the killing of civilians, the hands bound behind backs, the murder with bullets through the head, those people can't talk. corpses don't talk.
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but now what we have is a prisoner of war who is obviously in very bad condition who has returned from that fight. they can testify. >> general, why do you think they released him? what's the reason that they would release and allow someone to speak? that's the one thing i'm confc confounded by. >> it surprised me too. as i've read unclassified reports, it was because putin wanted back certain prisoners from the ukrainians. he was able to see that one individual who was a critically important element of putin's campaigns and he has a lot of information. so he was evidently willing to give back these prisoners that he's treated so badly. and, remember, part of the azovstal fighters were in a barricks that were thermobarrickly bombed.
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he's going to be able to talk about the treatment he received, plus probably some other things that he saw in a prisoner of war camp. >> thank you both very much. and, next, new details about trump's secret court battle to keep his former aides from sharing information about january 6th with the federal grand jury. plus, an emotional moment. two americans captured in ukraine arrived back on american soil this afternoon. and one of the biggest mysteries in the world, u.s. government officials in several countries suffering from a debilitating illness, vertigo, memory loss. so what's causing it? dr. sanjay gupta investigates.
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a cnn exclusive, donald trump's secret court fight. trump's legal team in a major battle to block a federal grand jury from getting information about the events surrounding january 6th. this is according to people familiar with the matter, which marks trump's most aggressive steps yet to assert executive and attorney/client privilege to keep witnesses from cooperating with a criminal investigation, with the doj probe. evan perez is out front. until today and until your reporting, no one knew about this legal battle. what else do you know about it? >> the former president is trying to build a firewall around some of his inner circle. people who were around him, obviously, in those weeks after the election as he was trying to find a way to remain in office despite losing the election. and the justice department is
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trying to get testimony, and they're trying to compel some of that testimony from people who've already gone to the grand jury, who have asserted his claims of executive and attorney/client privilege. and this is now what is a judge here in washington is going to have to decide. now, we expect that the former president's going to fight as much as he can because these people saw everything. people like pat cipollone, his deputy also in the white house counsel's office. mark short, greg jacob who have already gone to the grand jury. and of course there's another white house lawyer who was scheduled to go in on september 2nd, and he has been postponed as a result of this fight that is playing out in the d.c. courthouse. we saw these lawyers emerge from the courtroom yesterday, from the courthouse yesterday. take a look at what they were talking about. >> can you tell us what you're doing here today? >> we don't have any comment.
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>> as you can tell, erin, not trying to -- they're under seal here, and they're under an order not to say exactly what they're there for. but we've been watching this play out over the last few weeks in court. >> there is also news involving republican congressman matt gaetz. the justice department prosecutors have recommended against charging him in a federal sex trafficking investigation. what do you know about what's behind that decision? >> well, the problem for the justice department in this case, erin, is the quality of the witnesses. we know that some of the witnesses have already pleaded to similar charges as matt gaetz
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is under investigation for. we know that at this point there is no final decision, but that's the biggest issue for prosecutors and investigators is when you have witnesses whose truthfulness was going to be attacked in court, that makes it very difficult to present a case. again, no final decision has been made and probably won't be done until after the election. >> thank you very much, evan. i want to go now to democratic congresswoman zoey lofgren, who is investigating january 6th. so, congresswoman, i want to get to your committee's work in just one moment. but, first, what is your interpretation of this new reporting of evan's about donald trump's secret court fight to block witnesses from testifying before a federal grand jury? >> well, all i know about that is what i've heard in the news that the committee has no information about it. but, clearly, the ex-president attempted to overthrow the
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government, at least one federal judge in the eastman case found that it was more likely than not that mr. eastman and mr. trump violated federal laws. and obviously the attorney/client privilege is defeated if the consultation is in furtherance of a crime, which is what that judge found with the eastman case. but i don't have any information more than what you've just given, it sounds like, the former president is up to his knees in trouble. >> so your colleague jamie raskin just said that the select committee has more to reveal specifically about roger stone's connection with domestic extremist groups and his involvement in january 6th, which is significant. raskin said he's someone who saw where things are going. and a possible meeting with stone on the eve of january 6th,
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which could be hugely significant. a lot of investigative work is being done on that front. what else can you tell us? >> well, we don't have the details of the communications between the ex-president and mr. stone. but we know that they exist. when stone came in he took the fifth amendment repeatedly. we do know from telephone records that there was communication between the two, just as there was between the ex-president and steve bannon. so, the fact that stone had deep connections with these insurrectionist groups, i think it's significant. >> very much so. and you're saying so you do know that there were contacts after those meetings, and i'm putting in the word after, you didn't, but after those meetings. >> i didn't say after. >> i know, i'm putting in that word. but were those known communications between trump and stone after the meetings even
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though you don't know what was in the communications. >> the rules don't permit us into the committee to go into the details. i'll just say this. we know that stone and the ex-president had communications. we know that the ex-president, mr. bannon, had communications. we can show stone's close connection with these extremist groups who played a big part in the violence on january 6th. >> so, i spoke the other day, congresswoman, to the ceo of airbnb. he saw a huge surge of bookings after the inauguration, led him to believe there could be more violence at president biden's inauguration. >> we canceled every reservation in d.c. for the inauguration, and we decided to still pay out the host. and so it was a couple hundred thousand dollars and we ate the cost. >> what did the mayor and the governors do when you called them and alerted them to the
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surge? >> they said thank you for reaching out and they really appreciated the partnership. and we said, well, how can we help? we want to be on the right side, not the wrong side. they said we're very concerned with public safety and we didn't want to contribute to a safety incident. and obviously january 6th was really, really scary. >> congresswoman, i don't know if you were aware of that surge in bookings, their cancelations. but what do you make of that, and do you think it's a matter of time before there is another january 6th-like event? >> well, we were monitoring closely who hotels. it was not possible to monitor airbnb bookings. but certainly the violence that existed on january 6th was always a potential on inauguration day itself, as i'm sure you recall, we had a very strong presence. fencing, national guard, to make sure that the official transfer of power on the 20th was able to occur. and thank god it did. so, all of us need to be
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vigilant about those who think violence has a place in our democracy. it does not. >> congresswoman lofgren, thank you so much. >> thank you. and, next, president biden making an important speech just weeks from the midterms. but one major issue he did not bring up tonight. plus, the two americans who were captured in ukraine are with their families tonight. >> he had a beard yesterday! okay, well, that's a brand-new image. ♪ ♪ alright, limu, give me a socket wrench, pliers, and a phone open to libertymutual.com they cusmize your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need... and a bltorch. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. lirty. liberty. ♪
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tonight, president biden making a major political speech where he talked about protecting abortion rights and passing an assault weapons ban. one word that biden never mentioned, immigration. it is of course an issue that has plagued him since taking office. and it is gaining new attention after republican governor ron desantis flew nearly 50 migrants from texas to martha's vineyard to make a political point about the crisis at the southern border. phil mattingly is out front. >> reporter: days after taking off as president biden signaled
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a sharp turn from his predecessor on immigration. >> this is about how america is more prosperous when we have a fair, orderly, and humane legal immigration system. >> reporter: 19 months later, an explosive mix of legal, policy, and political disputes left biden last week to tacitly acknowledge a work still in progress. >> we have a process in place to manage migrants at the border. we're working to make sure it's safe and orderly and humane. >> reporter: annual border arrests surpassed 2 million this month, already a record in a single year. republican governors eager to draw attention to the scale of the tumult. >> this is a crisis now getting a little bit more attention. >> reporter: have transported thousands of migrants to liberal u.s. enclaves, drawing a sharp rebuke from democrats and biden. >> republicans are playing politics with human beings using them as props.
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what they're doing is simply wrong. >> reporter: but also elevating a critical political vulnerability for democrats less than 50 days from the midterm election, with republicans now holding a 17-point edge on immigration and a 36-point edge on border security, according to an nbc survey last week. it's a political issue at the center of gop campaign ads. >> this is joe biden's america, an invasion at our southern border. >> reporter: one that has claimed victim more than two decades of major bipartisan attempts to clinch immigration reform. >> i've asked for a few minutes of your time to discuss a matter of national importance. the reform of america's immigration system. >> reporter: a multi-year push by republican president george w. bush eviscerated by his own party as talk radio drove conservative outcry. in 2013 a bipartisan break-through moment in the senate. >> the bill as amended is passed. >> reporter: destroyed by a single house republican primary defeat where the issue loomed
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large. even donald trump, who built an entire campaign on anti-immigrant positions and, of course, this -- [ chanting ] was on the cusp of a major breakthrough, only to kill the proposal with a single tweet. biden's own comprehensive immigration reform bill remains on the shelf in the democratic controlled house and senate. internal administration battles have led to departure and some disillusionment for some aides and acute frustration from biden himself. all as the makeup of migrant flows continues its own rapid shifts, posing entirely new challenges. >> what's on my watch now is venezuela, cuba, and nicaragua. and the ability to send them back to those states is not rational. >> reporter: officials now scrambling to deal with 175% increase from the year prior in migrants from three countries with little or no u.s. relations, and a strong claim to
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asylum. >> citizens in those three countries are struggling under the weight and yolk of the repressive governments of those three countries. and they are trying to get out. >> reporter: a reality that complicates the role of vice president kamala harris whose immigration mandate has been to focus on the root causes of central american migration. >> if you come to our border, you will be turned back. >> reporter: leaving harris open to attacks from messages like this. >> the border is secure, but we also have a broken immigration system and in particularly over the last four years before we came in-and it needs to be fixed. >> reporter: with the president's own home becoming a dropoff point. >> if they are not going to the border, we're taking the border to them. >> reporter: just the latest accelerant in the decades-long political war ripping the parties away from the only area of actual agreement about the u.s. immigration system. >> it is not built to manage the current levels and types of
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migratory flows. only congress can fix this. >> reporter: some white house officials i've talked to have watched this issue elevate and thought, to some degree, it may be considered overreach, particularly by independent voters even as it moves back into center stage. the reality, though, is it's certainly not going to end any time soon. white house officials are fully expecting more flights, more buses in the weeks ahead, 46 days till the midterms. >> phil mattingly, thank you very much. and, next, homebound, two americans who were captured fighting alongside ukrainian forces held hostage for months are now, tonight, back home. and elon musk faced a major backlash when he asked workers to go back to work full-time or quit. the ceo of airbnb says that's not the right thing and it's not the future. he's out front.
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and we need to reduce the tailpipe emissions that are driving changes to our climate. that's why cal fire firefighters, the american lung association, and the california democratic party support prop 30. prevent fires. cut emissions. and cleaner air. yes on 30. tonight, back on u.s. soil, you're looking at new pictures of the two americans who were captured in ukraine by russian-backed forces taken earlier after they arrived back in america. 106 days since they went missing. kylie atwood is out front with an update on a story we've been following closely. >> reporter: pure joy. family members of two americans who are prisoners of war held by russia receiving a selfie from the men finally on u.s. soil.
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>> you did shave overnight. he had a beard yesterday. okay, well, that's a brand-new image. >> reporter: alex drueke and andy huynh, two americans to fight against the russian invasion were captured by russian-backed proxies for more than three months. tonight they're in new york, and these family members plan to see them tomorrow in alabama. >> i think we're all just going to cry and cling to each other. >> reporter: they were released as part of a swap of prisoners of war between the ukrainians and the russians. while they were held, their families knew very little about the condition of their captivity. >> was constant worry and what do we not know and what are we not hearing, what are they going through that they can't tell us? >> reporter: alex and andy first stopped in saudi arabia who helped to facilitate their release, staying at an apartment together while they saw u.s.
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diplomats and underwent medical checks. >> we know that they're speaking, they are breathing, they are ambulatory, and they sound like themselves. >> reporter: the two veterans didn't know one another before they met in ukraine. and these two women were strangers just months ago. now sharing a bond unlike any other. >> we foresee a lot of dinners, meeting in the middle and fishing trips for the guys and, you know, family reunions for all of us to get together. and we've got a wedding to plan. >> reporter: andy's fiancé joy black telling "outfront" earlier this week that she would have andy's favorite meal ready for their first night at home. >> andy's already requested when he comes back to our house for spaghetti with meat. he's been craving it ever since he went to ukraine. >> reporter: the state department has warned u.s. citizens not to travel to ukraine while the war rages on. but secretary of state tony blinken welcomed the news of
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alex and andy's release earlier this week thanking the saudis for brokering the deal that also secured the release of prisoners from the uk, morocco, sweden and croatia. despite what the two men have been through, their family members say they have no regrets about supporting the ukrainians. >> he wanted to get it known that they totally are proud of going there. they love the ukrainian people. they really want people to understand that ukraine needs our support. they need the support of all democratic nations. they need democracies to come together and push putin back. >> now, of course, u.s. officials are welcoming the release of alex and andy. but, unfortunately, it doesn't seem like this swap for these prisoners of war that was brokered by the turks and the saudis is at all impacting what are these ongoing negotiations to try and get home those
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americans who are wrongfully detained in russia. because those are talks that are happening directly between the united states and russia. and so far they haven't gone anywhere. >> brittney griner and paul whelan. thank you so much, kylie atwood. and, next, quiet quitting? >> it's about refusing to go above and beyond at work. >> the ceo of airbnb says it's not a fad. he's out front. and u.s. officials around the globe with debilitating sicknesses, some with longlasting symptoms, dementia-like memory loss. and u.s. intelligence can't figure out why. our dr. sanjay gupta investigates.
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(fisher investments) it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same, but at fisher investments we're clearly different. (other money manager) different how? you sell high commission investment products, right? (fisher investments) nope. fisher avoids them.
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(other money manager) well, you must earn commissions on trades. (fisher investments) never at fisher investments. (other money manager) ok, then you probably sneak in some hidden and layered fees. (fisher investments) no. we structure our fees so we do better when clients do better. that might be why most of our clients come from other money managers. at fisher investments, we're clearly different. tonight, new data showing the highest number of workers are back in the office since early 2020, as more companies are cracking down on work-from-home policies. an average of 48% of the prepandemic workforce commuted to their physical office last week. earlier i spoke to the ceo of airbnb about this. so, brian, last week, the numbers came in that said almost half of the prepandemic workforce is back in the office. this is according to castle systems. they basically track those security card buzz-ins that we
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all do when we come in the office every day. no change in pay for any of your 6,000 employees depending on where they work. are you making any changes to that? >> no. i still think that flexibility is here to stay. a year ago we talked, and i said after compensation, flexibility will be the most important benefit to employees. i think that's here to stay. after two years of all of us being apart, i think a lot of people do want to come back to the office and connect with one another. but i don't think they want to come back five days a week. i don't think people miss the commutes. and i think the very best talent is going to be everywhere. >> so, as you know, elon musk disagrees with you and in a pretty aggressive manner. he is reportedly getting detailed spreadsheets on employee attendance and says if you don't spend a minimum of 40 hours a week in the physical office, resign. now, cnbc reports that they've lost some top employees over this. what do you make of that approach? >> well, they're in hardware and
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manufacturing so that might make sense for them. but i kind of feel like the way to understand the future is to look to young people, to young companies. and if you do, the trend line is unmistakable, that the next generation of workers want to control where they work, how they work, what time they work. and we are going to be competing for the i think companies hauling people back to the office are going to have less talent. we're trying to lean into the future. i don't think, by the way, the future is purely remote. i think occasionally you want to get employees back. >> it's a hybrid of some sort. >> we chose one week a quarter you can live wherever you want. you can live in any of 170 countries on airbnb for 90 days at to time. if you move anywhere within your country we don't change your pay. and by the way the last two years working remote have been the most productive days in hurrace. we did an ipo on zoom and it's
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been successful. >> young people, people who don't have children and those other issues -- oh, only people with kids will take advantage of this. that's not true. >> i think take gen-z, that zenez generation they're going to move to different countries. this sawhole different generation we're going to see. >> we're also hearing the concept now of quiet quitting. >> it's about refusing to go above and beyond at workch. >> the purpose of quietly quitting is separate yourself from the stress of your job. >> workers are taking back their time and their extra time and their mental space to allow for more than just work in their lives. >> now, there was a poll that came out that said about 50% of u.s. employees could fall under this definition. 50%, this is how people define it themselves.
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do you think this is a real phenomenon for employers to be worried about? >> i think what it's describing is maybe a mass alieniation amongst many workers and i think there's a number of reasons why. i think they want flexibility but also want purpose. they want to feel like the company they work for is aligned with their values and want to feel like they're progressing in their career and i think there's a lot of trends you have to be concerned about. you need to be able to give people atonmy, like empow rtment and have a connection to the purpose of their work. i think people do want to work. the old way isn't going to work. we're not going back to 2019 anymore than we're going back to 1950. and i think we'd be all be better if we step into the future. >> brian, thank you very much i appreciate it. >> thank you very much for having me. and next u.s. officials around the world struck by a sudden illness. dr. sanjay gupta investigates. real good. all of k knorr's high quality pasta and rice sides are now made with no artificial flavors or prereservatives.
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tonight, medical mystery. u.s. government officials around the world hit by debilitating sudden illness and the intelligence community can't
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figure out why. some cases so severe they forced officials to retire, and those affected have had concussion like symptoms, vertigo, severe memory loss. suspected cases even reported near the white house. and former trump white house communications director alyssa farah griffin thinks she could be one of them. >> it hit me like a wave where i just immediately felt disoriented and dizzy and lasted about 30 minutes. it was striking. i remember i went home that night and said to my husband this is scary, like this happened again and i don't understand what's going on. >> that seems really frightening to me as a citizen. >> it's horrifying. >> outside the white house. out front now with dr. sanjay gupta, our chief medical correspondent. and sanjay, this has been, you know, a huge mystery. and you have looked into it as much as you are able to figure out what is really going on. there is a cnn special report you have produced airing thirs
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sunday. so what have you learned? >> it's been unlike anything i've ever covered because it's been so clear that something happened to the brains of several of these individuals in havana. weren't sure at the beginning. was it actually something objective or not? we talked to the doctors who examined these patients and two things really jumped out. one is that there's a comppulsion of symptoms these people had that there were findings on the exam, doctors believed there was a concussion sort of scenario. two is the whole idea of directed energy weapons, to be honest erin, i really knew nothing about this and again this is my area of expertise, but the idea you could take energy somewhere along the electro magnetic spectrum, they believe micro energy in this case, direct it meters away and possibly be targeted it to a single individual that was also something they're very clear on. you can weaponize directed energy this way. >> i mean it is incredible.
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it's terrifying, and obviously as a neuro surgeon, you're looking at something actually targeted to disrupt the brain whether it be links to the nervous system, links to memory, everything. i mean what are the symptoms that you are seeing? >> you know what's interesting? this is sort of a novel pattern of things. and sometimes, you know, i find we're not comfortable with novel things so we want to put it in a bucket of something we understand, which is what doctors are doing. it most closely resembles a concussion. the difference is there's no blow to the head. you think about a fall injury or car accident. it could be someone standing at their sink doing the dishes and all of a sudden they would have this terrible on set of symptoms, headaches, dizziness, their nauseated and vomiting. for some people it would go away within minutes. in fact, if they just moved the symptoms would go away. for others including the initial
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investigators who went down there, the symptoms can last for years. just like concussion some people recover right away, others take a long time. >> it's going to be incredible and of course your special report on sunday. thanks very much. and don't miss the special report e"immaculate concussion, the truth behind havana syndrome" this sunday at 8:00 p.m. thank you for joining us ac 360 starts now. good evening. we begin tonight with a large part of florida under a state of emergency. the storm system that does not even have a name yet but is heading straight at florida and could be a major hurricane if and when it arrives. je jennifer is tracking this storm. when, jennifer, can florida expect to start to feel the effects of this? >> well, they'll start to feel the impact as early as monday night into tuesday if you're in the keys, but then it's going to basically parallel the coast before making landfall somewhere along that western coast o