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keeps moving and moving and even friday, saturday, sunday. >> doesn't matter what day. aren't you exhausted? aren't you exhausted by the con constant of it all? >> look, i am 17 years old. look at me since i've done this show. the past eight and a half years -- >> 17 again. good for you. >> it's been rough. the entire over the entire cycle with the administration, the entire news cycle has changed and you never know what's going to happen. you're rolling with it. you're doing a good job. >> it's fri-yay. >> she's like don, stop talking to me. i'm ready to get out of here. enjoy your weekend. take care. >> you, too. this is "don lemon tonight" and we have a cnn exclusive because our sources are telling us here at cnn the former president's legal team is fighting a secret court battle to block a federal grand jury from getting information from his ex aides about his efforts

to overturn the not a secret. we saw through of his lawyers coming out of court yesterday so more on that in a moment but it's been a no good, terrible, very bad week for the ex president and his legal team. his own hand picked special master telling him he can't just declassify documents with his mind. he's got to have proof. he can't just make wild acquisitions the fbi somehow planted evidence during that search of mar-a-lago, he's got to say exactly what he claims they planted and oh, there is the new york state attorney general filing a monster civil fraud lawsuit against trump, three of his adult children and the trump organization. one that could cost them a quarter of a billion dollars. remember that? it's been quite a week. there is more, the intelligence committee started the damage from the classified documents

being moved to mar-a-lago and ahead of the january 6th committee hearing next week, committee member jamie raskin says they have more to reveal about roger stone as well as efforts to keep trump in power after the capitol attack and the on going threats to democracy. but let's remember the biggest question in all of this, the biggest questions in all of this are still unanswered. what does the former president try to keep under wraps and why? and speaking of no good, terrible, very bad, it was another terrible day on wall street. sorry. >> investors taking a bath. 401 ks and stocks falling to the lowest since november 2020. what does that mean for you putting food on the table, paying bills, saving for retirement or getting a mortgage? there is the latest on the crazy story of an nfl legend, former state official that ended up where they weren't supposed to

go. lots more to come so stay tuned. i want to bring in john dean. the former general counsel. good evening to both of you. thanks for joining. bob, the secret court battle donald trump's lawyers are fighting right now, we see this video of his lawyers leaving court. they're trying to block a federal grand jury from getting information from close trump aides about his efforts to overturn the election. it's a fight over privilege. how do you see this turning out? is going on here? >> a could things are going on. one, it seealways seems to be i trump's favor. he waited until the last minute to file this motion and i think his hope is let's draw it out. the other thing going on is i think this is going to be another example like the special

master like the 11th circuit where he's told to put up or shut up. for months and longer he's made vague statements about the possibility of executive privilege, the possibility of attorney client privilege and i think the judge in this case is going to say okay, if you think there is executive privilege here, what is it with respect to and why is it executive privilege. the problem is all this is in secret and so we're not going to know it except that you may be able to see witnesses going in and out of the courthouse. >> i wonder, bob, you know, trump is used to gaming the system, right and gaming the legal system by trdragging thin out economically. if you're going to fight lawsuits from people in his business who sued him or he sued them, costs a lot of money and many times people would drop them or wait them out. but is this a different level for him that he's not used to dealing with, he also doesn't have that special presidential cloak that he had before because he's not the president of the united states? it seems like a whole new game

for him so to speak, a new legal realm that he's not used to and he's got to suffer the consequences of for him telling the truth. >> i think that's right. he's been used to for decades being able to wear the other person down with constant delays, and constant lawyer ped peddifogging and justices not taking any crap from him. i want you to weigh in on this so you can weigh in on the question i asked bob as well. this executive privilege is a tough hurdle for prosecutors. they got over it before. they gained access to nixon's watergate tapes for a grand jury. is this a similar situation? >> this is not a friendly forum

in someways for trump to raise the executive privilege issue because it's been resolved at the court of appeals and several paces to nixon's case. i think what trump is doging here, there was a case in january resolved by the supreme court called trump versus thompson and it was the effort to invoke executive privilege for the january 6th committee. they -- trump lost that and had to turnover information but in doing so, justice kavanaugh put a statement out when they -- the supreme court went along with the lower court saying it's okay that since biden has not invoked executive privilege, there is none, kavanaugh said listen, that's an unresolved issue and i think former presidents should have the ability to invoke executive privilege in certain situations. so i think that is what trump is

going after and if they get this hook as bob said, this is delay and he can get a lot of delay if he could get in his case headed in that direction. that's what he's trying to do, i think. >> delay until what? until there is a new -- >> well, until another day and see what happens, if he gets a break, if something happens in his favor. his been his playbook his entire adult life to use the court and delay as long as he can, particularly when he is the defendant or the case is against him. he's had a lifetime of using this tactic and it's worked pretty well for him. >> as i understand, personally, i don't think he's writing the check himself. it's coming out of funds he's raised over time from his campaigns? >> it's campaign money, exactly.

and he just hired a new lawyer, made him $3 million retainer. the guy obviously was smart enough to get it up front and so he's got plenty of lawyers and plenty of money to pay lawyers so he can play this game for a long time. >> yeah -- >> not as long as the feds can. >> it's become a business, an industry to represent donald trump. a lot of lawyers are making money off of that. >> bob, pat cipollone and his deputy recently appeared before the grand jury but had negotiated topics they wouldn't answer questions, topics they wouldn't answer because trump's privilege claims -- of his privilege claims. what happens if they can talk to him how involved trump was trying to toss out the election results and stay in power? what happens then? >> i think that's partly what this proceeding is all about before the secret proceeding before the chief judge in the district of colombia. i think the justice department would like to be able to ask

people like pat cipollone more questions and get as much testimony as they could on the record but i expect that they anticipated that eventually they'd be back before the court getting a broader resolution of the kinds of issues john was talking about whether a former president can invoke the privilege against a sitting president, whether these conversations protected by executive privilege at all and i think the justice department is hopef ful they'll get a ruling from the court that enables them to go back and get more complete testimony from these earlier witnesses. >> yeah. john, you talked about this a little bit in your previous answer that he keeps getting smacked down but we keep seeing these put up or shut up moments with trump in the case of mara lo d -- mar-a-lago documents, he seems skeptical over trump's declassification claims. is it getting tougher to protect trump in these cases or in this

case? >> absolutely. absolutely. the idea of a special master probably was a stall again and they selected a special master and they got the one they selected and he's an honest judge and he's doing what a good judge would do is he's going to get verification for the kind of information they put forward. this judge who is the special master said listen, if you're saying that the fbi planted information, tell me why and i want to know if you're going to invoke exec utive privilege against the income bent president, tell me the basis on which you're doing it. he's being very specific and wants document by document, page by page, dellinuated so he knows where they're coming from and the privilege involved and if they can't resolve it themselves

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joe biden said today the united states will never recognize ukrainian territory as anything other than ukraine after russia's sham referendum. we're also learning that u.s. officials have been engage income private communications with russia for the past several months warning that there will be consequences if moscow chooses to use a nuclear weapon. joining me the former defense secretary william cohen. good to see you. thank you for joining us, sir. it was just a few days ago putin made a veiled nuclear threat -- i don't know how veiled it was but now the u.s. is trying to talk him down for several months. are you concerned putin could make good on his threat? >> well, he's made the threat before. almost in the very beginning of this war so he started the war.

he's now losing the war and what he's doing by these statements is he's wrapping himself in a nuclear suicide vest and saying either i win or you-all die. and so this is basic ly basical saying surrender or i'll create a holocaust. the united states is presenting to him like president biden did at the united nations, don't, don't, don't. there will be consequences. i don't think we have to spell them out in advance but i can assure you the pentagon, department of defense is making every contin gent plan for what might take place in the future. it would be a catastrophic mistake for president putin to use nuclear weapons. we're at this point but we can't back down and reward someone blackmailing the entire western world with a nuclear weapon because he's losing something he never should have started in the first place. >> right on.

right. right. you were defense secretary. you know what these types of back channel talks are like. is there anything the u.s. can do or say to pull putin back? >> i don't think as much the united states as the rest of the world. this past week or so, we've had the chinese who have had this new special relationship with russia saying they do not support anyone conducting warfare in the another country using force to extend their boundaries. you had india also a major not partner but at least affiliation over the years with russia to buy much of their equipment from russia and a lot of their oil from russia. so saying they're worried about what rush wassia was doing and concerned about it and now coming out saying putin was making a mistake. i think that plus the united states and nato staying together.

i met this week with danish prime minister. she was strong about the commitment of nato and i think that strength, as long as we show unanimity in the growing support for the world community saying stop this, you are putting the world in paril by making these statements. we have to take it seriously but we have to be prepared and let the russians know and also let the indians, chinese and others know we mean business as well if he should start something like this, there is very dangerous to have an escalation take place quickly and try to manage that so everybody is at risk so therefore we have to make sure that message not only for russia but to the other allies and friends throughout the world. >> you know, secretary, we talked about this, right? during the beginning of the war and still, about the -- how

media there, the people of russia don't really see this. there is not a free media so they're getting propaganda. russia has been attempting to flee the country since putin's announcement of this partial mobilization. there have been protests in the streets. is the anger and descent going to get too big for putin to control because think people are starting to -- the truth is starting to trickle out there, am i wrong? >> the rucssians have a record f an iron curtain. this is to prevent digital information from getting to the russian people. that's starting to happen as body bags come home. when mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters don't see loved ones coming back from the special mission and the more bodies that come back, the greater the discontent is going to be at the street level and

he's creating a draft. he's going around house to house looking for men. you're seeing men really fleeing russia and it's really quite a contrast for seeing the women fighting in iran and the russian men trying to get out. >> i want to talk to you about iran. can we talk about iran? >> sure. >> people -- >> it's a nice position. >> if people take to the streets in protest over the killing of the 22-year-old, she died last week in the custody of iran's so-called morality police, which enforces mandatory heat scarves, mandatory head scarf law. can these protests lead to problems with iran? >> i think it's quite possible. in watching the filming of this, helen "i am woman, hear me roar." their starting to roar saying

the restrictions are going too far. the fact this young lady had too much hair showing under a hijab results in her death? women are rising up in anger and they are a force to contend with in iran in the united states, in russia, as well and again, i want to come back to russia for a moment. look at the young people out on the streets in thirteens, men and women. boys and girls. demonstrating against what putin is doing. they don't want to go to war and so that is building up on the street and what we have to do and what ukraine is continuing to do, pedal to the medal. keep pushing. accelerate the equipment that we're giving the ukrainians. make it as difficult as possible for the russians to justify what they're doing by sending more and more young to the deaths. it's a sad thing to say but they're being used and what putin is doing i want more. i'm going into the rural areas to get the poor people and get

the criminals out of jail and force them to the front lines where they will be human shields like anywhere from 60 to 80,000 russian soldiers have become ch casualties. >> secretary, always a pleasure, thank you, sir. pleading guilty, mississippi's former head of welfare admitting to one of the biggest corruption cases in state history, a case that swept up nfl player brett favre. stay with us. president biden signed the inflation reduction act into law this afternoon. ok, so what exactly does it mean for you? out ofocket costs for drugs will be capped. for seniors, insulin will be just $. families will save $2,400 on health care preums. energy costs, down an average of $1,800 a year for families. and it's paid for by making the biggest corporations

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. dramatic turn in the welfare scandaled linked to nfl scar brett favre. this morning the director of the

welfare agency pleading guilty to his part in a multi million dollar scheme that says misused dollars from projects linked to prominent miss issippi people like brett favre. >> reporter: john davis didn't have much to say as he left federal court on thursday. >> do you have anything to say to the taxpayers of mississippi? >> reporter: the head of the welfare agency pleading guilty to state and federal charges con connected to one of the largest public corruption cases in state history. >> it's been justice delayed but not justice denied. >> reporter: a conspiracy according to the auditor and court documents saw at least $77 million meant for needy families in the nation's poor est state be be funneled for a project and celebrities like brett favre in a release announcing the guilty pleas for conspiracy and one

count of theft from programs receiving federal funds, the department of justice said davis worked with four unnamed co-cons co-conspirators. he said he directed those non-profits to award contracts for social services never provided. >> mr. davis, as it relates to count one conspiracy, how do you plead guilty or not guilty? >> guilty. >> as it relates to count two fraud against the government, guilty or not guilty? >> guilty. >> davis entered the guilty plea 18 times in a courtroom also on thursday, conspiracy and 13 counts of fraud against the government. admitting for example, he conspired with former prowrestler brett who was also already pleaded guilty in the scheme. he received welfare funds and was supposed to teach classes about drug abuse. but instead, used the money to pay for among other things, a stay at a drug rehabilitation center in malibu. >> it was not okay and i can't

tell you other than it shouldn't have been okay. i should not have allowed that to happen. when i knew the money was being used, i should have stopped it. >> reporter: davis agreed to cooperate with state and federal investigators and testify against others. >> we're still looking through records and text messages and continue to work authorities washington and miss issippi to continue to move forward. the letter continues to move up. >> reporter: text messages were released as part of the on going civil litigation by attorneys for a non-profit founded by nancy new already pleaded guilty in the connection to the scheme. they showed nancy, former mississippi government and brett favre working to obtain funds for a multi million dollar volleyball center at brett favre's alma mater university of southern mississippi where his daughter played the sport at the time. favre and new repeatedly referenced john davis and update each other on their meetings with him. in 2017 favre texting john

mentioned 4 million and not sure if i heard him right, very big deal and can't thank you enough. earlier this year, the state filed civil suit against 38 people and entities including brett favre. however, f favre doesn't face criminal charges. >> he couldn't have been more honorable. he had no idea where it came from. >> reporter: he's not been charged and not a defendant in a civil suit. in the past he's denied any knowledge of the scheme, all of the multiple investigations on the fraud scheme remain on going. >> we'll continue to make sure this case is thoroughly investigated as everyone knows, we've turned over every piece of evidence we have over to federal investigators. >> john davis is said to be sentenced in federal court early next year. diane gallagher, cnn, charlotte, north carolina. >> thank you very much. house republicans announcing their agenda less than 50 days until the midterms but will it

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46 days, 46 days, that's how far away the midterms are tonight. voters are worried about everything from inflation to immigration to abortion to protecting democracy itself. republicans and democrats are rolling out their message for the literally divided electret. >> they control washington. they control the house, the senate, the white house. they control the committees. they control the agencies. it's their plan. but they have no plan to fix all the problems they created. so you know what? we've created a commitment to america. >> house minority leader kevin mccarthy went to pennsylvania and unveiled on what he calls a commitment to america. that's a thin series of policy

goals with little or no detail that he says republicans will pursue if they regain control of the congress. >> let's discuss, senior political analyst ron brownstein is here and carly dent. good evening, gentlemen. charlie, we'll start with you. announcing a commitment to america plan, four pillars here. they are the economy and fighting inflation, making the nation safer and empowering parents and taking on big tech, holding the government accountable and protecting freedoms. that's a lot of topics with biden criticizing it as thin on policy. what do you think? >> well, yeah, it is thin on policy but remember, what they rolled out today i'm sure was focus group and poll tested. so most of this stuff is pretty benign, more funding for the police and border security and, you know, higher defund the irs or don't fund to the degree democrats want to and that's primarily their agenda.

knothing there really contro controversial. the mid teterm is about the opposition party against them. it's really not what you're for. we saw this with newt gingrich and democrats in '06 had the six for '06. everybody forgot what that was and even republicans in 2010 when i was there as well for that, we had a plan, too. nobody remembers it but it was about the other side. nothing controversial here but it's something they can talk about, nice to have on your hip pocket. >> ron, i heard go -- groan. >> we could probably wake up rob emanuel and he could tell you six. short after that, i basically agree. this is not specific enough to have much of an impact one way or the other. it gives you a sense of direction they want to pursue but there isn't a lot of meat on

these bones and don, the basic dynamics of this election are set in place. it goes back really to your introduction and in a way takes you to a slightly different place than charlie. on the one hand, you have a lot of voters who feel that democrats have mishandled the economy with inflation, who don't think the democrats are doing well on crime or immig immigration. they have a lot of questions about democratic performance and the roll of government and on the other hand, you have a lot of voters that view the trumptr trump era republican party as a threat. those forces are contending and changed the frame. it isn't simply an election that's a referendum on the party in power. what happened since the beginning of the summer because of the abortion decision and january 6th hearings and other legal problems of trump there are now a significant number of voters who are not only asking what have democrats done but what would republicans do if given power again and the answer

is not just the benign commitment to america. it's things like a national ban on abortion. >> this is more of what mccarthy said. let's let him talk. >> as we went across the country listening, we heard the same thing. kitchen table to dining room table to inside the factory. can i afford it? can i afford to fill up my tank? can i afford the food, the milk? can i find baby formula? i ask everybody across this country. >> so he's not wrong. this is what voters are talking about, right? >> they're talking about inflation but you have to remember, what republicans want this election to be about, about inflation. they want it to be about crime. they want it to be about border sec security. they feel that gives them advantage but as ron pointed out, republicans aren't talking about these issues in a vacuum because of the abortion issue

and january 6th and trump's unhelpful interventions, this is an unusual environment and i think we have to talk about this midterm with a certain degree of humility because nobody is quite sure how this plays out. this won't be a traditional midterm referendum on the party in power. it may become more of a choice election. we'll see. i wouldn't bet against history but you'll see a rather slim republican majority in the house. the democratic losses will be mitigated over the dobbs decision and i think trump's unhelpful interventions we never had a former president so active and midterm. this is not anything republicans wanted. >> i hear people -- this is unscientific. i hear people talking about the border, right? about immigration i should say. and also really about democracy and more so than the economy than before. usually it's the economy. >> look, we're having two elections. i talked to pollsters.

it is remarkable the extent to which voters in the republican coalition are focused on inflation, crime and immigration and voters in the democratic collision are focused on abo abortion, gun violence, health care and democracy. each side is in effect communicating a different set of choices to their voters with the potential of an enormous turnout again. 2018 was the biggest turnout for a midterm since before women had the right to vote. this could be comparable. look what the president said today. he was more explicit than ever before in saying -- this a quote. if you give me two more democratic senators, referring to manchin and sinema we'll codify a right to abortion. as you probably saw in arizona today, a judge restored a territorial era of complete ban on abortion even in cases of rape and incest that will immediately go into effect. it's not just a ref runerendum

the question of basic rights. >> we have a whole segment on that coming up later on. i forgot crime. crime is important, as well. people are talking about the craziness happening with the former president, crime and immigration. those are three topics i hear people talking about the most. thank you both. 21 years as a navy seal, purple heart and bronze star but what is he doing now? what he's doing now will change the military. that's next. at the top of the hour, trump's no good, very bad week. blatche nowhere, causing inflammation that can leaead to asthma attac. but no matter what type e of severe asthma you have, tezspire™ can help. tezspire™ is an add-on treatment for people 12 and over... that proactively reduces inflammation... ...which means you could have fewer attacks, breathe better, and relieve your asthma symptoms. so, you can be you, whoever you are. tezspire™ is not a rescue medication.

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. all this week in champions for change, cnn is bringing stories of everyday people changing society and getting things done. jimmy hatch is a retired navy seal working to avoid the mistakes of the war in afghanistan and future american conflicts and he's doing it with the help of college students. many of whom were just babies at the beginning of the united

states longest war. here is anderson cooper. >> reporter: it's been a long journey for former navy seal jimmy hatch to the halls of yale. at 55 of a lifetime of service. he's finally pursuing his college degree and investigating the war that nearly cost him his life. we first met jimmy in 2015. >> hostage rescue stuff is really hard. >> reporter: he was speaking out for the first time about a mission to rescue army soldier bow bergdahl in afghanistan. on the mission jimmy suffered a catastrophic gunshot wound. >> hit me on the knee and sent the bone out the back of my leg. >> reporter: jimmy had to be rescued, bandaged and bleeding his 21 years as a navy seal were over. he was awarded the purple heart and bronze star for his actions this night. >> we will not lose that war because that's deep. there's a lot of layers and we're all blessed. >> reporter: hatch was blessed to survive but his military dog

remco was killed on the mission. he honored remco and other working dogs who helped save lives by founding spike's canine fund, a charity that provides protective gear and training for working dogs that face danger. in 2017 i first profiled jimmy as a champion for change. he convinced me to go sky diving with him to raise money for spike's canine fund. in 2019, after a chance meeting with a yale professor on another sky diving trip, jimmy was encouraged to apply to yale's eli whitney program for non-traditional students with exceptional backgrounds and aspirations. >> a few months later, i received an email saying i was accepted and i was shocked and i looked at my wife and she said you would be an idiot if you didn't know. >> reporter: so age 52, jimmy hatch became the oldest freshman in yale's class of 2023.

last year, during the united states's chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan, i asked jimmy to come on cnn, someone that fought and lost so much there. >> we did a lot of wrong things in afghanistan. >> reporter: turns out yale university liked jimmy's idea. they designed a year-long class to investigate what went wrong in afghanistan, produce a report of their findings. they invited jimmy, the under graduate to not only take the graduate class but be an unofficial co-professor. >> jimmy was basically the founder, the brain child of the course and he was a huge benefit because jimmy had on the ground experience in afghanistan. >> my first class was. >> jimmy, when he came to yale i think showed us that education is service, too, that his

service to the country didn't end when he stopped being a navy seal and serving in active combat but his idea this is a new phase in service to the country and he was there to learn something so that the world would be better. >> reporter: the close spent months speaking to a number of generals, ambassadors, members of the afghan special forces and even a spokesman for the ta taliban. >> i do believe that one of the things that needs to happen if the military is going to stop being the easy button for how we solve things is we have to talk to people we don't want to talk to so for me, the last people in the world i want to talk to was the taliban. >> reporter: jimmy hatch hopes the report will inspire americans of all walks of life to hold the country's leaders accountable in america's future conf conflicts. >> i believe that in a way, a part of the united states of america died in afghanistan and that my classmates and i picked

them up and brought them into our classroom and attempting to bury them with respect and learn their lessons that created them. >> anderson is with me here now. i understand the report you mentioned was just published. what do they hope they can, you know repeating future conflicts. >> it's looking back at the 20-year war and a take away people think of it as the war in afghanistan was a 20-year war but it was 21-year wars and many people cycled through and one year cycles and every year the diplomats would change and the commanders on the ground might change and so it wasn't this 20-year war where institutional

knowledge was passed from year to year, it was new people coming in every time and the afghans saw that and i remember going in the province with marines and they would risk their lives to get to a remote village to convince elders to get off the fence and spupport the u.s. the u.s. knew they would leave eventually and the taliban is here to stay. i think that's one of the big lessons and also, just lack of the congress looking over the folks in afghanistan with the government made a lot of money. there was a lot of cash being thrown into the country that just kind of disappeared into their arms. >> jimmy, extraordinary. you were saying. >> great guy, yeah. >> at yale -- >> yeah, navy seal for his entire life and got this opportunity to be a 54, 55-year-old under graduate at a great college and he's making the most of it. >> he deserves to be. thanks, anderson. so make sure you tune in saturday 8:00 p.m. for "champions for change." a one hour special.

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we win. you lose. a devastating week of blows for the federal government. a special master that trump's own team asked for setting deadlines and demanding they provide proof of his wild claims. then there is a new york attorney general announcing a sweeping civil lawsuit against trump. three of his children and his

business alleging hundreds of instances of fraud. and tonight a cnn exclusive reporting to tell you about. trump's team has been waging a secret court battle to block a federal grand jury from getting information about his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. let's bring in special watergate prosecutor nick ackerman and errol lewis. good evening, one and all. this is a lot. i have to really concentrate on which trump legal issue i'm talking about. >> you need a scorecard. >> what did you say? >> you need a scorecard. >> you do need a scorecard. this is a very bad week for the president. what's your assessment of this week? >> terrible. it was bad legally and bad politically. bad because this complaint from the a.g.'s office is absolutely devastating.

it's basically going to put him out of business. it's asking for $250 million and he really has no defense because on every single one of those allegations, i am convinced that the a.g. got him to take the fifth amendment on each one of those, meaning that a truthful answer would tend to incriminate him. and on that basis, a judge or jury has no choice but basically to find him guilty on those charges. >> you still have sources in trump world, right? >> well, tonight in north carolina he had a big rally for ted bud, the u.s. senate down there. he was using that for his speech for the crowds, witch hunts, they're after us again. >> that's what he's saying publicly. but behind the scenes. >> behind the scenes, it's not just him. there's a whole world of people around him who are also -- if i were one of his lawyers dealing with this mar-a-lago issue right now, i guess i'd be worried because some of them