out of business. it's asking for $250 million and he really has no defense because on every single one of those allegations, i am convinced that the a.g. got him to take the fifth amendment on each one of those, meaning that a truthful answer would tend to incriminate him. and on that basis, a judge or jury has no choice but basically to find him guilty on those charges. >> you still have sources in trump world, right? >> well, tonight in north carolina he had a big rally for ted bud, the u.s. senate down there. he was using that for his speech for the crowds, witch hunts, they're after us again. >> that's what he's saying publicly. but behind the scenes. >> behind the scenes, it's not just him. there's a whole world of people around him who are also -- if i were one of his lawyers dealing with this mar-a-lago issue right now, i guess i'd be worried because some of them are on the

hook for some of the statements that were made. so i'm sure it's anxiety inducing for a lot of them and on top of everything else that they're watching politically, which if you look at any of the national polls that have come out lately, even though his base has remained solid, you see incremental degradation with the general electorate. losing to joe biden. i'm sure some republican is going to come along and make that point in the primary. >> we've seen very bad weeks for him before and he's managed to publicly at least in the court of public opinion he's been able to skirt around it. this feels different to me. >> and it may be different. first of all, when it comes to public opinion, something like 60%, 61% of the country does not want him to run in 2024. his base is solidly behind him and the republican voters are solidly behind him but the independents have walked away. in fact, the number goes up to 67% for independents don't want him to run.

so things are not working that well for him politically. in the commercial sphere, which is what the heart of the attorney general general case in new york is against him, this is going to hamper his business operations. if you are a lender, if you're a counterparty, if you're a vendor, are you going to just sign on to help him build a new golf course or apartment complex or something knowing that the attorney general is asking for a quarter of a billion dollars from him, knowing they're making allegations he's committed widespread fraud on the valuation of his property over the course of a decade? you can't just say, sure, let's give him another hundred million line of credit. >> i never thought about his business having had this happen. nick, i want to talk about the behind-the-scenes court battles to talk to aides, how crucial is this going forward?

>> it's extremely crucial. it's one he's going to lose. there is no privilege here for any of these people. they're trying to claim attorney/client privilege. the fact of the matter is the people like the white house counsel were not his personal attorneys. they cannot claim attorney/client privilege for those conversations. as to executive privilege, that's been decided in u.s. versus nixon back in 1974. you cannot claim a privilege when you're talking about overthrowing the government. that is not covered by a privilege. it is not an absolute privilege, executive privilege. and generally with respect to any kind of privilege, whether it's attorney general, executive p privile priv privilege, marital privilege,

are exempt from that privilege. >> the scuttlebutt behind the scenes in the trump world and how concerned the people in his world are associated with him and the exposure they possibly have here? >> absolutely. they're keeping total watch here. what they wound up doing was basically paying everybody's attorneys' fees and as a result i'm almost certain they entered into a joint defense agreement, which is a common thing to do when you've got multiple individuals who have what's known as a common interest involved. the individual and lawyers can exchange information and it's all covered by a privilege. as we found out from the january 6th committee, that was abused, that this was used to find out who was snitching to the january 6th committee, who was cooperating. you saw with cassidy hutchinson

that she had to change lawyers because of that because she didn't feel comfortable with the lawyer that they had provided her and were paying for. so they did that and they were on top of that and they're on top of this whole issue of trying to keep people in line by having them assert privilege. you departmidn't see the januar committee actually zero in on that because they have a much more limited life span in the sense they're assuming they could well be out of business by the end of the year because of the election and they don't want to let these guys run the clock so they let people like cipollone come in and testify to certain things and he refused to testify to others, particularly conversations with donald trump. but the d.o.j. doesn't have that issue. and they've got the ability to immediately go before the primary judge in the district of columbia, before the chief judge and press these issues. i don't see them winning on any

of them. these are all losers. >> listen, scott, nobody knows where this is all going to end up, these legal blows for the former president. but with even some grope senat can he paint himself as a victim here, even when asked? he's the one who asked for the special master. >> well, can he? yes, he can. >> yes, he will. >> correct. and he's doing it as we mentioned tonight at the rally. the average republican would probably look at all this and say, you know, i've been hearing this since before he was sworn in. there was a plot to impeach him twice, always on the brink of indictment, the walls were always closing in and somehow nothing ever happens to donald trump. the line of demarcation will be if he ever actually gets indicted. if something beyond just a bad week happens. we sat through a lot of bad weeks and ultimately he got away

on all the issues that supposedly were going to bring him down. i think he will continue to play the victim status until we crossed that line of it's taken the next step. >> 2016, this new entity and everyone thought he was this renegade and then he was an unknown. now it's a known and i get the feeling, i get the sense that people in the party feel like he's a drag on the party. and even the voters are like i'm tired of it. you heard what errol said about the polling, enough already. we're sick of him. we like his antics but enough already. there i think it's 50/50, half the people love him and wouldn't want him back and the thing is he doesn't take half the republicans in a general election to sink the party. it just takes a few. that's what happened in 2020 pup had center right-leaning voters who decided to not vote for him

or to vote for biden. it will be a bigger chunk next time. i see a little path for him to win a nomination. >> next week he'll probably declare something. i don't believe he's going to run. i've been saying that for a while. but next week he'll probably say i'm going to run for president and we'll see. i think what's happening with the new york attorney general is probably the most aggravating for him because he is way concerned about his personal brand always. and i have billions of dollars, i'm a billionaire and i'm the best businessman, powerful, whatever. is this the most aggravating for him? >> sure. this is something he built up over decades he would sue people. he sued writers at publications that would say he's worth a certain amount and he would accuse them of defamation. it's going to be clear and already is clear it if you read through the court papers that

he's valuing mar-a-lago at $739 millions saying it's worth that much when he could develop hundreds of houses and he got conservation easement and he cannot build it and the attorney general says it actually worth 75 million, which is maybe an understatement but that's the kind of trouble that he's in. it also something he can't let go. let's say he decide not to run for reelection, as you are predicting. well, then what's left? what's left is the trump organization. if you're going after the trump organization and barring him from doing business and asking him for a quarter of a million dollars he may or may not have in liquid assets. >> to your point, it's already been exposed. when you look at the valuations and see what he's done over time, then future people who may want to do business with him may not want to do business with him. >> exactly right. >> thank you. good to see you. up next, the worst day on wall

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a brutal day on wall street, plunging to its lowest level since 2020 among fears that rate hikes could land the u.s. economy in a recession. mark stuart, appreciate you joining us. it was a day after a day of markets being in the red this entire week. what is creating all this economic fear? >> all right, don, let's just take a step away from the numbers and talk about the

broader narrative that's at play. supposed you're on a road trip. you always are looking for a place to stop to get a bite to eat, to fill up your car, to spend the night, but sometimes you get bumps in the road and that's what's happening with the economy right now. the economy basically has an unknown road map for the future. as you mentioned, it was a really rough week. earlier this week we heard from the federal reserve expressing concern that the high inflation that we're feeling when we pay our rent, when we go grocery shopping, even household supplies could linger for a bit longer, perhaps even a lot longer we're dealing with so much uncertainty right now with the war in ukraine. that could cause these low gas prices that we've seen to rise once again. and then the wall street bank goldman sachs just today felt the outlook for the future

economy was somewhat murky. it makes people's stomachs turn, makes them not want to invest money. that's likely why we saw a rough day on wall street although, don, one economist said today he felt this was a bit of an overreaction. >> okay, well, we'll see what happens with the markets on monday, right? a lot of people see these numbers and they know that they're bad, but the big problem is are we headed toward a recession? >> so the indications are not necessarily encouraging that we avert one. as we've talked before, don, i hear from economists with so many different perspectives that, yes, we could see a recession because things are not so encouraging. i should point out this is not just an american problem. this high inflation that we are seeing is also happening in england. it's happening in turkey, it's happening in south america, in argentina. so this is really a global

problem. so not only are we facing the threat of a recession here in the united states but also globally and that's a sentiment that i've heard from economists from so many different political perspectives. so i think it's fair to say, yes, there is reason to concern. >> so the fed chair has admitted that the job market will have to get worse if we want inflation to fall and the u.s. economy could grind to a near halt this year to combat historic inflation. should people be worried about their jobs? and how will this impact their finances? shouldn't they be worried about that? >> that is a concern that i think people on wall street and main street are sharing. what does this mean for the job market? already this year we have seen layoffs and no matter what industry you make, no matter how much money you make, if you use your job, it certainly hurts. however, i have been hearing from some economists who focus specifically on labor issues. they have some feelings of

optimism. and what i mean by that, don, it has taken so long for companies to get their staffing levels back to, quote unquote, normal levels. it was a real struggle. so while we may not necessarily see mass layoffs, it's something that i think a lot of companies from what i'm hearing may want to avoid. we may not necessarily see jobs be filled that are vacant, we may not see listings, plans for future hiring may be put on hold. that's where we're at right now. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> see you, don. >> a source telling cnn today federal prosecutors are recommending against charges for florida congressman matt gates. the justice department was investigating gates for allegations involving sex trafficking and prostitution, including whether gates had a sexual relationship with a 17-year-old girl. gates has repeatedly denied any

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new tonight an arizona judge ruling a 1901 ban on nearly all abortions in the state can be enforced. the ruling effectively outlaws all abortions except when necessary to save the mother's life. arizona joins the growing list of the most restrictive laws o since the overturning of roe v. wade. arizona joins the states with the most restrictive abortion laws in the country and what does it mean for women in arizona and quite frankly across this country? >> it means, don, this ruling will take women back 158 years.

that was before the shoot-out at the o.k. corral. i guess not surprising since they were taken over by the supreme court. this will continue to mobilize women. when you tell women they can't do something and you take away a right that they had for more than 50 years, they are going to do something about it. and arizona, don, granddaughters today will have less rights, will be less than the full citizens than their grandmothers were. that is just insanity. so you're going to see in november women are going to use their right to vote to make things right. >> we'll talk about the politics of it all but i want to get your reaction, anna, because this 1901 ban has no exception for rape or incest. women didn't even have the right

to vote in the united states in 1901. what do you think about this rule? >> it's somewhat shocking. it jarring that something that was passed in 1901 when arizona wasn't even a state, that's the year when the first transatlantic radio signal was received. and i guess we're glad they didn't go back to when people were walking on all fours. we've seen some. horrible, heartbreaking, shocking consequences, the 10-year-old raped girl who couldn't get an abortion. the woman made to carry the baby without a skull. so she gave birth to him so she could bury him. we've seen what it's meant for women having miscarriages and

not able to get a d & c and we've seen what it means to ivf and birth control. we've seen what it means to doctors having to think twice and some of them denying critical services to women because they're afraid that they're going to be prosecuted. the consequences have been killing, sobering and i think they are going to result in women taking to the polls in massive, massive numbers. >> what's your reaction, alice? >> i think there should be exception for rape and incest when we're talking about abortion. what this really means is pro-life advocates have been fighting for for decades since roe v. wade, the issues are back in the hands of the legislature. i applaud the judge for putting this back in the hand of elected officials and not unelected

justices. if people don't like the outcome of this, then it is their prerogative to vote people into office that represents their views and values on this. and the key thing here is protecting the sanctity of life, protecting the unborn and the fight for overturning roe v. wade was to not make this a federal issue or national ban on abortion policy but to put this back where it should be best served, which is at the state level and that's exactly what is happening here. clearly we have pro-choice advocates that will appeal this decision. this is not by any stretch of the imagination the final ruling on this but this from a pro-life standpoint is a step in the right direction. >> the people may have a final ruling. i said we'll talk about the politics. go ahead, anna. i know you want to jump in. >> what alice said, the purpose of it, it not being federalized,

not being national policy, is exactly what people like lindsey graham and the only thing standing in the way is chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. i think this is going to mean women all over the country, it's very hard as to who they vote for and what that's going to mean when it comes to who is going to hold that gavel in the senate and the house. >> i think -- >> to that point, don, to that point i think this is going to have more repercussions than just arizona because women are going to look at this and say, wow, this could happen in my state. and so to the point of the mid-term elections, i think this is absolutely going to boost democratic energy mobilization and the chances that we will not only keep the senate, don, but add several seats to our senate majority for exactly this reason

because women are not going to take this. >> if i could just follow up on anna's point with regard to lindsay lindsey graham, what he is proposing, i think it's a huge mistake. he does not have public support. pro rights advocates spiked the football and you can't move the goalpost now. i don't see that proposal getting any speed. >> i want to talk to anna about something, all of you. but i'm going to start with you, anna. arizona is almost among the battleground states where according to "the new york times," they make up as high as a 20% of the voters in arizona and nevada and more than 20% of the registered voters in state with highly competitive house races like california, florida, texas. how much could this group sway the outcome of these critical races? >> oh, listen, i'm in a

district, district 26 in florida where certainly the latino vote makes or breaks who is going to end up representing that district. and, you know, on governor races and senate races, there are some close races in all of those states, including arizona where i think frankly the only person that benefits from this ruling today, and i'm sure he doesn't want it, is mark kelly, the democrat senator running for reelection. the latino vote is -- for me it's been somewhat of a frugs because so often we talk about the potential of the latino vote and we've talked about it as a sleeping giant. i do think that latinos finally waking up and coming to their own. they're not a home genius block. not everybody is on the same page when when it comes to

abortion. not everybody is conservative. not everybody is a pork will be rahal. and people need to understand that. >> i want to talk about that. polling from "the new york times" shows that democrats have strong support from latino voters but they are losing ground. 56% said they would be more likely to and according to pure research, why do you think the is happening and should democrats be worried? i actually think the polling may be for latinos becoming more conservative, it may be a. >> i disagree, don. i actually think this whole narrative that latinos are running into the hands -- into the arms of republicans is completely overblown.

i think we actually had issues in 2020 in places like miami dade and places like the rio grand fall. >> you think that's an anomaly among latinos? >> it was an anomaly in those two places for several reasons. in miami dade and in florida in general there was a massive misinformation and disinformation campaign that focused on smearing joe biden and the democrats as socialists. in the rio grand charlie, there was a big uptake that donald trump and the trump republicans showed. so we absolutely have work to do, don. you know i have said this many times on your programs that democrats cannot rest on our laurels. we have to treat it as a swing vote and do hfrg we can there

now have been two national latino polls by pollsters who know how to poll the latino community in this country and abortion has become a top priority issue. this is astounding and it is completely different to the and it has been exactly the opposite. >> that's got to be the last word. tbc. to be that shaped. in we're going to sit down with the founder of "rolling stone" that's next. under budget too! and i i get seven days to love t or m my money back... i love it! [laughs] we'll drive you happy at carvana.

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the music bible, that's how a whole lot of people refer to "rolling stone" magazine. tonight the man who started it all when he was just 21 years old joins us, author of "like a rolling stone." we can talk all about your career but what has this journey

writing this been like for you? writing a book is a tough thing. is this like a -- >> i enjoyed it enormously. i discovered to write well and to get the descriptions right, you have to really bring yourself fully back to that moment. you were thinking about it, and had to put yourself in that frame of mind. and i think what did i really feel or think that was going on? you end up reliving it all, a few moments with people. >> this is a big book. 1967 is when you founded "rolling stone" magazine. the impact that music had on the culture then, i'm not sure it was realized then but now it does. does it still have that same cultural impact? >> the current music has enormous relevance to iets

younger audience today. it came at a time at a moment of great change in america, with the youth culture, it spoke to them in a way that nothing else did. today you can hear lots of messages from lots of different places, on the internet, everywhere, but then you could hear only in the music it was a tribal telegraph. >> this was the civil rights movement. it was the gay rights movement. it was women's lib. it was the vietnam war. you had a lot going on and music was speaking -- >> to all those. and the message of music are so in favor of music impacted and spoke to and told people how to care about and think about how their relationship to other people were and pow.

let take one album i think that had a huge influence, the early marvin gay. i did a documentary on the album "what's going on." it was about racism, poverty, it became a protest anthem. does it still speak to the marginalized and owe prosed the way this did? >> no, not like that. this is a different time and era. my impression of what i see in art today is not as intense as it was when you. >> there was much more on the line there? >> i think there was. it's not still a passion or as new as it was then. >> that's what what you say. these were people who were going

against the system. they're they created the pathway for the people who are going now. >> sam cook sang "a change is going to come." passion is powerful than ever. in fact, more so. >> the aides crisis ban in the early 1980s. talk to me about the social stig ma and and and i started reading about it in "the new york times." small items about some strange disease. so we put a report out about

nine months a year and sent it out to find out what he we talked about to like -- you know, impact was severe. news troubling. and now we see the. >> the silver lining of the crowd is there's a lot more dig tee and an d respect. ims. >> then it was. >> now, as i said, i mean the curse of it is off between the

medical treatments available and just the significant in a is off. just as the skiing ma is off being gay. >> well, speaking of that, you ended your marriage to your wife, jane, after 26 years. you now have been with your current husband. his name is matt nye, 1995. you didn't come out as a gay man until your 50s. tell meyour journey. >> i don't think it's that different than anybody else. i think the story coming up has been told many times by many people. and there's always difference in the details it wasn't i was perfectly happy. a good marriage, three kids, houses i loved and a wife i

lived. i knew when i was young, in the 50s and early 60s, you could go to jail for being gay. people didn't talk about it. there was nothing on tv. you didn't even know what gay was. up just knew something was bad or you're clear, something like that. so, ah, i don't know why. >> probably one of the most influential magazines in rye if i mean, to start to unravel that strieng, i feel so lucky for where i am being heal nm.

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was stalked by a man who threatened to kid nap, rape, kill and then dismember her and her young daughter. he sent detailed letters threatening explicit sexual violence signed freddie kruger, a fictional serial killer. >> hellish, nightmarish, deviant, perverse, sick letters. >> reporter: the fbi shared the letters with us. >> so from one of them he specifically said my main mission in life is to stalk you, rape you and to terrify. i want to make your life so miserable that you can't stand it. >> reporter: approximately 49 letters in all. >> every time he would find us we would move. >> reporter: you sold your house. >> sold my house, yeah. sold my house. >> reporter: when the letters began eva played an investigator on csi miami, but in real life she was dependent on investigators to save her. there was evidence. >> and the defendant licked the letters in the envelope he left traces of dna.

>> reporter: but the perpetrator's dna didn't match any database. >> so we are playing the fact we have this technology and we catch everybody, but in real life the technology had not been invented yet. >> reporter: then the science of genetic genealogy emerged. investigators granted cnn an exclusive interview about the procedure, first used on the state level in california to identify the golden state serial killer. >> we use it as an investigative tool to reverse engineer family trees and figure out who he was. >> reporter: investigators compared dna on the stalker's letters with dna in public databases like those with consumers trace their family connections and ancestry consenting their dna could be used by law enforcement. >> family trees and identify common ancestors between matches and your suspect and you build down until you find the person that had the right age, lived in the right location and maybe matched the physical description of the suspect at the time. >> reporter: and you knew that

the letters were coming from ohio? >> the letters were all postmarked. >> reporter: meanwhile the stalker was becoming even more threatening, now targeting her daughter at her school. >> now he's tracking down the high school that the victim goes to, a 17-year-old girl, and calling that school. >> so this is a recording from a voice message left at the high school. >> hello. i want to leave a message for kylea callahan. this is the man who's going to rape her, molest her and kill her. >> reporter: the investigation had ramped up. they had a suspect. his real name, james david rogers. so when this last recorded call came in we hit the gas pedal as quickly as we could. >> reporter: agents took a public tour of the suspect's workplace at a nursing care and assisted living facility. they saw the type of item they would need for dna comparison. >> it's actually an arby's cup

and straw. they watched him dispose of some trash into a trash receptacle. they were able to pull that track and we took the dna off the arby's straw to compare on the dna on the letters, and it was a 100% match. >> reporter: rogers was arrested in an early morning fbi raid at his home last november. >> we decided to arrest him because we weren't sure what he was going to do. >> reporter: rogers pleaded guilty to federal crimes range from stalking to mailing threatening communications and was sentenced to 40 months in prison. >> this happened from the time my daughter was 5 years old. this happened during her formative years. >> feeling okay now we know where he is for the next three years. we know we're safe for the next three years. i feel okay. >> that's nice to feel. >> reporter: the fbi says if you are the victim of a stalker reach out to your local fbi office. and even if you don't know who's doing this, the fbi has resources that can help solve

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good evening. we begin tonight with a large part of florida under a state of emergency. the storm system that does not even have a name yet but is heading straight at florida and could be a major hurricane if and when it arrives. jennifer gray is tracking this storm at the moment known only as tropical depression 9. she joins us. when, jennifer, can florida expect to start to feel the effects of this? >> well, they'll start to feel the impact as early as monday night into tuesday if you're in the keys, but then it's going to basicallll