good evening. we begin tonight with a large part of florida under a state of emergency. the storm system that does not even have a name yet but is heading straight at florida and could be a major hurricane if and when it arrives. jennifer gray is tracking this storm at the moment known only as tropical depression 9. she joins us. when, jennifer, can florida expect to start to feel the effects of this? >> well, they'll start to feel the impact as early as monday night into tuesday if you're in the keys, but then it's going to basically parallel the coast

before making landfall somewhere along that western coast of florida by midweek or so. so we'll be talking about this for a couple of days, early part of next week especially. so this starting small, 35 mile per hours, gusts to 45, moving west-northwest at 15. we already have tropical storm watches, hurricane watches in effect. the water is very warm in the caribbean as well as the gulf of mexico, so this is going to provide the storm with a ripe environment to thrive. we are going to see this storm intensify rapidly once it gets into the gulf of mexico, and that's the huge concern. this could be a category one storm as it crosses over cuba and a category 2, possibly three, and maybe even higher as we get closer to florida. but the national hurricane center is forecasting right now with 115 mile per hour winds by wednesday afternoon. and i wouldn't be surprised if those models go even higher.

a lot of the forecast models agree on this forecast as well. >> and hurricane fiona and expected to be the largest storm to hit the nova scotia area in almost 50 years. when is that storm expected? >> they're already feeling the impacts right now, so by tomorrow morning we'll see this storm make landfall. winds at 110 miles per hour right now with gusts 55. it could go down as one of the strongest storms ever to hit canada. we're already seeing lots of rainfall. we could see up to a foot of rain. we could see up to 8 feet of storm surge and 26 to 40-foot waves. so this storm is really a beast. it's going to slow down significantly and really batter this entire region tonight, tomorrow, and then on into the weekend, anderson. >> jennifer gray, i appreciate it. now exclusive new cnn reporting on the high stakes legal battle that until today had been unfolding in total secrecy. it's the fight being waged by attorneys by the former president to keep long time close aides from giving testimony to the federal grand jury investigating the 2020 election. senior staffers that could have a lot to say.

cnn's jessica schneider joins us now with more. what exactly is going on? because we know certain former aides to the former president among them white house council pat cipollone had already appeared before the grand jury, so who's the trump team trying to block? >> anyone in the future, anderson. so what trump's legal team is trying to do here is create this firewall, a situation where this circle of former trump aides, former white house aides, if they're called before a grand jury in the future they would have this broad ability to deflect questions under this premise of either executive privilege or attorney-client privilege. and like you said we already know at least four former officials had been before the grand jury regarding january 6th. they've declined to answer at least some questions citing executive privilege, but the broader question is, you know, how broad are these privilege claims? and that's exactly what doj and trump's lawyers are right now litigating. and our team was actually tipped off to this when they saw several of trump's lawyers leaving the d.c. federal courthouse yesterday.

and since then, anderson, our team has recovered e-mails from eric hirschman. he's a lawyer who worked with trump and he in these e-mails expressing frustration because he was told by the trump team to assert privilege over anything he could and resist answering questions. now because of this his grand jury subpoena is actually on hold while this fight plays out about how broadly privilege can be asserted. and interestingly, anderson, you know, if trump's team loses this fight it could actually mean those four white house officials that you mentioned before including former white house council, pat cipollone, they could actually be called back to the grand jury to give more detailed information. that's if trump's team loses this. >> what is the best case scenario for the trump legal team? is it just to keep dragging out the claims over privilege and stall the investigation? >> that's probably a part of the strategy, right? so the best case scenario here is if they win this they'd be able to severely restrict what these former officials and aides are able to tell the grand jury about what trump might have done around january 6th. in the short-term, though,

they're definitely buying some time by forcing notably eric hirschman's grand jury testimony, for example, to be put on hold. you know, it's still a very big hurdle for trump's team. you know, notably privilege can be overcome if it touches on criminal wrongdoing. you know, history also court precedent not on trump's side here because as we know the supreme court allowed nixon's tapes to be handed over to the grand jury in the '70s because it was a criminal investigation. so this is a bit of a different scenario that has not been fully tested in the courts, so we're going to see how quickly here, how quickly the court decides what they decide. but crucially, anderson, this is all being done under seal, in secret, so we're really not getting a lot of information as to how this is proceeding. maybe we will once a decision comes down. >> all right, jessica schneider, thanks so much. joining us now cnn contributor john dean. john dean who served as richard nixon's star council and later senior legal analyst and foalso

cnn senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor elie honing. to what extent that is almost moot given cipollone and others have already testified? >> anderson, it tells me that the former president, first of all, is trying to delay, and he's trying to limit the testimony that key advisers can give. it also tells me that doj is aiming to get the most sensitive, most important conversations that they can get. and let me give people a concrete example of how this will make a difference. we saw pat cipollone testify in front of the january 6th committee. it was a videotaped deposition. they played some of those excerpts at the hearing, and there were these moments cipollone would be testifying and then he'd be asked what did you discuss with donald trump, and cipollone would then look at his attorney and say executive privilege and he would refuse to answer. if doj prevails in these fights pat cipollone would have to answer those questions, and those to me, anderson, are the most important questions. so they're willing to go to court. they're fighting for that right

now. >> how long could that take, john? >> could take a good while. i think what's going on here is trump has -- sees the light down at the end of the tunnel where justice kavanaugh in a prior executive privilege fight over a scope of discovery to be done by the january 6th committee, a case of trump versus thompson, kavanaugh issued a separate statement, and he said i'm one who believes that courts cannot prevent former presidents being blocked from using executive privilege just because an incumbent president says he's waiving the privilege, and that's really the issue here. biden has waived any privilege. he says there is none. trump is trying to claim a privilege. this could go all the way to the supreme court, anderson. >> elie, the fact that based upon the new cnn reporting one of the would-be grand jury witnesses the trump team is seeking to block is the former white house attorney eric hi

hirschman, who again has already testified before the january 6th committee. why try to block him from testifying before the grand jury? is there stuff maybe he didn't say? >> i think donald trump is trying to limit his testimony and keep him from saying the most damaging things. as a prosecutor you can keep people back. i put people back in a grand jury two, three, four times. and john dean, of course, is correct. it is quite clear in the courts that it is very difficult for a former president to invoke executive privilege. it's not quite impossible, but it is an uphill climb legally. >> john, how does the latest reporting align with the former president's overall legal strategy? because whether it's 2020 election case, the mar-a-lago documents, the tactics seem to be preventing investigators from getting information instead of actually defending himself on the merits of the case. and when being asked to actually provide evidence on the merits of the case or on claims like, oh, they were planting

documents, there's crickets. >> i think we're seeing the standard trump playbook, which is stall, delay, stall, delay, deflect. and that has been his playbook for decades now. and he's very good at it. his lawyers burn out and he gets a new crew and they do the same thing over again. i think this is a repeat performance. >> elie, these privilege claims are at play in several different investigations in several jurisdictions. how likely does it make there could need to be a sort of landmark judicial ruling to bring clarity once and for all? or do you think it'll continue to be dealt with piecemeal? >> well, anderson, we don't have a whole lot of pres dependent when it comes to executive privilege. it's really come up only a few times in our history, of course, notably with the watergate era. it came up several times in the bill clinton investigation and a handful of times in between. it's important to understand this, invoking executive privilege is one thing, winning

on an executive privilege claim is something else entirely. generally what the supreme court told us back with the nixon tapes is executive privilege is designed to protect legitimate policy and strategy conversations that a president might have with, say, his secretary of defense, his chief of staff. it is not designed as a shield to protect against evidence of wrongdoing or criminality. and for that reason i think doj's in good shape here when it comes to the merits. >> john, what kind of clock is the doj up against right now? mid-terms are obviously a little more than six weeks away. if doj doesn't make major moves before election day, how much longer do you think the investigation could go on? >> i think it could go on a good while. this is actually a good opportunity because they're not going to do anything during this election season, so this is a good time to sort out these kinds of arguments while they're being done en camera or closed sessions before the chief judge to resolve what the jury can and cannot hear. grand juries are under seal by nature. this is good time to work these problems out, and i don't think they'll delay the investigation but rather sort out the scope of

the testimony. and it's very important for the justice to get as much as they can. >> yeah, john dean, ellie honing, appreciate it. an update now to a story we've been following on republican congressman matt gaetz. a source tells cnn federal prosecutors have recommended against charging gaetz in connection with their long running sex trafficking investigation. one reason according to the source doubts whether their central witness would be perceived as credible by a jury. that said we're told no formal or final decision has been made. next a live report from ukraine as people from occupied areas facing russian soldiers going door-to-door demanding their vote to become part of russia. we'll talk to a dissident journalist for her take on vladimir putin's future. and later alex jones on trial and silent in the face of the sandy hook parents victimized with his lies. more ahead.

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people in russian occupied parts of ukraine began voting, some with armed troops looking on in stage referenda on becoming part of russia. in a statement late today president biden called them a sham and a flagrant violation of international law. they are, however, part of vladimir putin's escalation of the war he launched which this week included a new round of nuclear saber rattling, which the white house responded to today as well. >> we obviously take these threats very seriously, but we have not seen any reason to adjust our own nuclear posture at this time. >> the other aspect of russian escalation putin's military call up, it continues to fuel an exodus as the border with georgia, and that's a line of cars nearly 9 miles long with people trying to get out of russia. in a moment my conversation about vladimir putin and russia's future with a leading independent russian journalist, an incredibly brave woman who has to get out of russia for you for her own safety. but first i want to take you

inside ukraine and day one of of the voting. cnn's nick paten walsh is there. >> reporter: as russia faces a fake choice and a sham vote on occupied ukrainians, elsewhere igor and zina make a deadly choice of their own. they must brave the shelling to go and get food. they've heard of russia's staged referendums here, but moscow makes itself felt here with artillery rather than imposing a ballot likely having entered the city's east. streets in a strange quiet as if in the eye of a storm when nobody is in control. they'll still have to fight their way in. a sign how fast things are changing here. ukrainian forces have blown the bridge in the middle of the city in the last day or so.

russian forces getting close. the people left ask us not to film the outside of shelters as the russians will target them, and they've already gone underground as much as they can. saying some of these things are taken from buildings that are being bombed and brought here. a lot of people want the back of their head filmed possibly because they're concerned in the days ahead they may be under russian control. he tells me perhaps 20,000 people are still hiding out here, but there's no real way to know. the choice russia imposes on ukrainians here is spending nights underground and scurrying between shelter. days of hot words from putin haven't cooled ukraine's advance, though. the threat of nuclear annihilation carries slightly less horror here on the road to liberated izium where it looks like the apocalypse has already

come bar the radiation. ten days ago russia was kicked out of here amid the heavy fighting. even the russian orthodox church has collapsed. the devastation seems to almost spur them on. announcements in moscow about partial mobilization haven't really changed the dynamic here of an army that feels it's moving forward. they've heard about russia's mobilization and nuclear bombast here, too. it'll have a role, he says, but you need to train and supply people so it won't make much difference as we destroyed most of their armor. there's nothing worse than nuclear war, another says, but you must understand these decisions aren't taken by one person. and we see in russia not everyone supports these moves. this liberated road is where donetsk region begins, ukraine

already taking back the places putin made central to his goals and where faked ballot boxes and absurd claims of official russian sovereignty cannot change who owns and who scar the land. >> nick's back. what's it like -- what's likely to be the impact of these referendum on the areas of ukraine and what it would mean for putin's larger war? >> reporter: yeah, we know the results, right? middle of next week we're going to get probably a resounding yes from these occupied areas whether they've been forced to vote or even voted at all. this will likely lead to very fast recognition of these areas as part of russia. what does that then mean? well, there were original thoughts before this mobilization perhaps it was about allowing conscripts to be deployed to russia. but that partial mobilization put that to one side, so there are thoughts now possibly this

may be about enabling putin to use russia's current nuclear doctrine to suggest those terrifying weapons can be brought into play to protect occupied areas. it may not be as drastic as that. it may be simply he wants to give ukraine and its western supporters the whiff of that idea. we don't really know, but it is also about russia's constant desire to show that there's some sort of popular will behind things, which clearly nobody in areas concerned actually want. a hangover from the soviet era, frankly. a very dark week ahead as we see exactly what these referenda are for in terms of longer-term criminal policy in this war. >> nick paten walsh, thanks. perspective now. she's editor-in-chief and founder of the independent russian news weekly for the new york times and forced to get out of russia last month. when did you decide you needed

to leave russia? >> i decided to leave russia when my lawyers told me i had to leave yesterday. at the end of july i was accused on three misdemeanor charges of intentional spread of disinformation about russian army. this intentional spread of disinformation was the publication of stories about the fact the russian army bombed ukrainian cities. >> and that's a crime. >> that's a crime. and judge in his verdict wrote that -- that i was guilty because disinformation wasn't published on the minister of defense website. and why it wasn't published on the minister of defense website because commanding chief, that is mr. putin, said special military preparation, there is

no war. >> what does it say to you vladimir putin is now talking about mobilizing as many as 300,000 russian troops. >> it says that vladimir putin is trying to setup a bargaining table with volodymyr zelenskyy. >> that's what this is? >> exactly because he's losing the war. he knows he's losing the war. basically putin is fighting now for his survival as a president and as a person because he's a dead body. he failed to deliver to his corporation, you know and to the rest of the world. he's losing to ukraine and his to be sure his government it's a collection of billionaires and millionaires. so now because of sanctions they lost their properties. they lost -- >> you think he's vulnerable to

being will killed. >> absolutely, he's very vulnerable. >> we saw demonstrations when he talked about calling up 300,000 reservests. given what they saw happened to the demonstrators months ago at the start of the war that's incredibly brave. is that a sign of widespread dissatisfaction? >> it is a sign that some people in 34 cities of the russian federation in all of our 11 time zones dare to protest. they know almost 1,400 were arrested. the majority of them, those who are male are going receive a draft card and move to the army. others will be accused of spreading disinformation about the russian army and most likely will get in jail or fined an exuberant rate. so it is really -- there are real heroes, and it's very, very dangerous for people to protest

now. however, the real protest is silent. you would see it at the land borders in the crossings between russia and the georgia caucuses, russia kazakhstan, russia mongolia, russia and china. you see stratagems, 5, 10 kilometers long. people are running there. it's impossible to get a flight ticket. all tickets are sold to the end of october. people are paying, you know, 3, 4, $5,000 just to get to armenia. it's a 4-hour flight. so it is to say that hundreds of thousands of people they're trying to escape russia because they don't want to be drafted, because i hope my fellow citizens understand that they cannot kill, they shouldn't kill, that putin is trying to involve thousands and thousands of my fellow citizens in this crime of killing innocent people

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examine him. his second defamation trial for the lies he told about sandy hook massacre is now under way in a connecticut courtroom. it's about 20 minute drive from there where about 20 children and six adults were murdered. now, the reason his team decided he shouldn't say more at least today about the conspiracy theories jones has fueled or the money he's made while calling the murders staged and phony may have something to do with his first day of testimony thursday. he said the trial was nothing more than an ambulance chasing. he called it a, quote, deep state situation. and he compared the proceedings to the public terror and intimidation campaigns of the regime in china asking at one point if this was a, quote struggle session, and said if we were in china. he also said he's done apologizing. quote, i'm done saying i'm sorry, although in truth he's never fully apologized for his lies and the terror he's inflicted on grieving families. outside the courtroom jones has acted no differently. today he said this. >> this is totally rigged, absolute total fraud. we gave all the discovery they wanted over four years.

they found nothing there that showed that we've lied about sandy hook or we premaiditatively did anything. so now they found me guilty, the judge did, and i'm in bankruptcy and almost personally out of money. this is not about these families. they're using these families as pawns and claiming i made money off sandy hook, but they have no proof of that. >> almost personally out of money and yet he has a lot of black suvs and security guards you see very well-dressed standing around him. a key aspect of these trials is not just determining what he owes financially having been liable for his comments, it's also an opportunity for them to tells jones in his face how it turned unbearable tragedy into living terror where they must endure threats along with a loss that never goes away. our next guest her son was killed in new town, and she just

got the opportunity to confront jones during that first trial in texas. this is a moment from that testimony. >> i think you know that sandy hook is real and that it happened. i know you're shaking your head no, but i think you know that it's real. i know that you know it's real, but i don't think you understand at all because the people that work for you don't understand the repercussions of going on-air with a huge audience and lying and calling this a hoax and a false lie. you don't understand the repercussions to individuals lives. you don't understand the net that is cast in a negative way. you don't understand that. you don't understand. >> scarlett lewis who founded the choose love movement after new town joins me now.

thanks so much for joining us. you said before you think alex jones could make different choices going forward, that sometimes greed gets in the way. from what you've seen so far in this civil trial in connecticut including outside the courthouse, he's continuing to profit off this. do you still think it's possible for him to make things right? >> i think there's hope for everyone, anderson. but from his actions thus far he is not making good choices. he is, unfortunately, continuing down the same path. and it's just really frustrating. >> on the stand you were saying to him i think you -- i think you know this, i think you just don't understand. do you really believe that -- i mean, it speaks well of you as a person that you would believe that. but isn't it possible that he is just a horrible human being who does understand the misery he's causing others, the terror he's causing others but just doesn't

care? >> i can't imagine anyone doing to victims' families what he's done intentionally. the problem now we've been through this whole court process in austin two weeks. he heard from us exactly the -- the negativity that he's cast on our lives for the last almost ten years. it's incredible. and he has not changed his ways, so i -- there's hope for everybody, but he is is a really tough case. he really is. i mean i -- i have to say that i feel compassion for him because i think that -- i think he's trying to fill a void in his life with audience, with greed, with lies.

i think a lot of people try to do that, and it doesn't work. it gets deeper. he's digging himself a really deep hole. he's risking losing everything that he's worked for, and it's a dark path that he's going down right now. >> i know alex jones approached you. he approached you in court back in august at your trial in texas. he handed you a note. can you share what it said? >> yeah, he came the last day to literally -- literally i think give neil and i two separate notes. and it said i am truly very sorry, i want to make it right. i want to help with the choose love movement. i was able to share what i have created following jesse's murder with him while i was testifying, and he gave me his cellphone number. >> and have you called it? >> no, i haven't. i mean, those are words as of

right now. but words have to be followed up with actions, and to date i've not seen that at all. >> yeah, in the wake of the murder of your sweet son you founded this choose love movement, helping kids and communities learn to practice courage and gratitude and forgiveness and compassion. i've been thinking and learning about grief and loss recently, and i wonder how in the wake of what happened to your son and faced by this, you know, bloated, damaged person in court, this half a human, how strong you must be to embrace gratitude and forgiveness and compassion. >> you know what? this is a formula for choosing love, for being able to thoughtfully respond in any situation, circumstance, or interaction by choosing love. that is the strongest response. i practice this formula every single day. i've been strengthened by that

and post traumatic growth, something else we teach in the choose love movement. using pain and hurt as an opportunity for growth, and it works. my feeling compassion for alex jones did help me on the stand. i don't want to give my personal power to somebody who is so hurtful, and i did that through forgiveness and compassion, but it doesn't mean that his words and actions don't make me angry. and, you know, honestly getting on the stand is something i felt like i had to do. i didn't want to do it. it was the hardest thing that i've done since jesse's murder, but i think that when your bully doesn't stop, i mean this is literally facing the biggest bully i've ever faced. you have to do that so that he doesn't do this to other people. and i think about jesse, you know, he faced adam who was the sandy hook shooter and he saved nine of his classmates lives before losing his own.

so i kept thinking about that while i was on the stand and thinking this was the easier of the two. and if he could do what he did at 6 years old i certainly could do this. >> yeah. scarlett lewis, it's such a pleasure to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you. coming up a new show here at cnn. we'll talk to chris wallace all about it ahead. ♪ this... is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward.

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he's a legendary newsman who cannot only hold his own in a tough interview on a debate stage, but also a man who can carry a tune with shania twain. the man is my colleague chris wallace and his new show premieres on cnn this sunday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. very pleased that chris could be here this evening. chris, congratulations on the new show. it's a remarkable series of conversations particularly your interview with retired supreme court justice stephen breyer. it's his first interview since stepping down, and just for our viewers i want to play a clip. >> you had a bad final year,

some of the most important cases on the court, abortion, guns, the power of the epa to regulate the climate. you were on the losing side. was that frustrating for you to lose important case after important case? >> yes. >> how frustrating? >> very frustrating. >> when the court undoes a right that people have lived with for half a century doesn't that very much shake the authority of the court? >> did i like the lou daubs decision, of course i didn't. was i happy about it? not for an instant. did i do what i could to persuade people, of course. of course. but there we are, and now we go on and we work to get daub on. it's a little corny what i think but i do think it.

>> i'm fascinated to hear a supreme court justice talk like that, even a retired one. what stood out to you about talking with him? >> well, i agree with you. i think he was remarkably forthcoming and remarkably open and honest about his feelings, which were clear distress about the dobbs decision that overturned roe v. wade and took away a constitutional right for an abortion for women. you know, it's interesting. he didn't take shots at his colleagues except kind of in a veiled way. and at one point he said when the court writes too rigidly, he said the world things change and things are complicated, and it'll come back around and bite you in the back. and i think he feels that in the dobbs decision the court by just taking away this right as opposed to, for instance, from saying from viability down to 15 weeks, that they took a step that's going to hurt the court's credibility and hurt the

country. >> what i'm so looking forward to about this show is just the sheer range of people you're going to be talking to. and i'm sure that after years of reporting on politics and current events that's one of the thrilling things to do both on hbo max and cnn. this weekend you have tyler perry, shania twain, justice breyer. that mix is always interesting. >> it is such a delight. you know, for 18 years i was doing a talk show, and each week myth be an incremental change between last week and this week and the build back better plan. and that's important. and i enjoy current events and topical news and will have people like justice breyer, you know, to talk about things that are on the news. but like you i've got a lot of interests. i'm interested in sports. i'm interested in business and entertainment. and to be able to do that, remember, i mean you know this network larry king -- the great larry king used to do this

every night for years, and it's kind of missing in the tv landscape not just in cnn but across television, streaming and linear. and i'm delighted to be doing it, and it's my dream job. >> you know, having actual conversations between two human beings, it sounds so simple and yet, "a," it's a difficult thing to do and it's rare on television. so i'm so glad you're doing it. there's no one who does it better. chris wallace, thank you so much. >> thank you, anderson. i appreciate it. >> you can catch who's talking to chris wallace this sunday night on cnn. the show is also available on hbo max. still ahead see how the wonderful artist is helping those new in the art world. he's don lemon's champion for change next. and find the answer that was right under their nose. or... his nose. my active psoriatic arthritis can slow me down. now, skyrizi helps me get going

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all this week in a series we call "champions for change" we've been bringing you people making a positive difference in the world. percy johnson is an extraordinarily talented artist. he's don lemon's friend and he's a champion for change. >> rasheed johnson's heart is in major museums all over the world. it's always engaging.

it always pulls you in, beautiful, stirring, infuriating. rasheed and i have become friends over the last couple of years. and this journey we have gone in as a country, over politics and the state of the world, we've sort of ridden that together. >> i think what your job is, right, is to tell us what's happening. my job is to listen and translate over the next few years. a big part of what my work speaks about is anxiety and fear and the stresses of occupying space in a world we currently live in. i started making these. i'm calling them broken men. >> it's very personal for me. some of the mirrors, you can fully see yourself. others are cracked and broken. others are scarred. when i look at it, it makes me think about all the slings and arrows that come at me, and it makes me very proud that i survived those. >> from an early age, i knew

there were incredibly important black voices. when i gravitated toward the art world and i saw fewer of them in some of these larger cultural institutions, i knew that something was missing. >> so many people, especially people of color, were locked out of the arena for so long. >> he's a champion for change because rasheed is not just looking out for rasheed. rasheed is doing what our ancestors told us to do as descendants of slaves. each one, teach one. >> one of the things i'm interested in, outside of helping younger artists, is how institutions function. who are the gate keepers, and who lets who in. what artworks are invited into the conversation? >> here at the guggenheim, he has worked to diversify the board and making sure we create a much broader story around history, including black

artists, transartists, including much more women. he created a program, supported it financially, and making sure everyone across any class and education spectrum has the ability to take on an entry level job at this institution. >> my mother was an academic, but she was also a poet. my father was a painter/sculptor. when i went to art school, it's one of the rare scenarios you hear a kid goes to art school and his parents feel like they accomplished something. >> i remember seeing a show of rasheed's in london in 2012. instead of taking over both floors with his art, he would actually give the second floor over to a show of artists that he could support. >> rasheed is a peer, mentor, brother, teacher. >> i'm speaking to a very successful artist about a very successful artist. >> we're artists but we're also kind of small businesses.

and we're not prepared for a lot of rapid growth that happens. it really is super helpful to have rasheed give practical, professional resources and advice. >> i've been in rooms with rasheed johnson with the most recognizable people in the world. and, oh, my gosh, there's beyonce, there's jay-z, whatever. when rasheed walks into the room, all of those people go, oh, my gosh, there's rasheed johnson. rasheed johnson is living in his success, which is a rarity in this business, especially for a man of color. and everyone wants to be a part of that. why is that so important for you to lift people up? >> it's the right way to be. generosity is something that i think lives in most artists. and i think it's the natural way of kind of giving back after you've been rewarded for your vision. >> don joins us now. it's -- i love his work. i've looked at his work for

years. >> you would love him in person too. >> he seems like such a lovely, lovely person. there's so many artists who it is a very competitive business, and it is a big business for some artists, if they're lucky. and to have an artist who is not only so talented but who also wants to bring others along with him is extraordinary. >> it is. it's extraordinary. it is a business, and that's what he teaches artists, that it's a business. he teaches them how to navigate that world. he was obviously talented and lucky enough to be able to achieve the success that he's had in the art world. that's a rarity, especially among african american artists. at least it used to be more so in the last ten years, as we were discussing in the piece, it's been an explosion of black art and history. to be able to not feel that you're in competition with other

people and not feel that, you know, you have to sort of protect yourself in a way that pushes others out of the business, he brings people along. as you heard, you know, he'll give a floor of an exhibition to artists who have been locked up. that's pretty incredible. >> i'm so glad you did this. >> i just left his birthday party. i told him i was coming to speak to you. he said, okay, tell anderson i allowed you to leave early so you could come and talk to him. but he's amazing. make sure to tune in 8:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow for champions for change. a one hour special right here. we'll be right back.

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the news continues. time to hand it over to don lemon. this is don lemon tonight, and we have a cnn exclusive speaking of the news never stopping, right? we have a cnn exclusive because our sources are telling us here at cnn the former president's legal team is fighting a secret court battle to block a federal grand jury from getting information from his ex-aides about his efforts to overturn the election. well, it's not a secret anymore because we know. we saw three of his lawyers there they are righthe