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the news continues. time to hand it over to don lemon. this is don lemon tonight, and we have a cnn exclusive speaking of the news never stopping, right? we have a cnn exclusive because our sources are telling us here at cnn the former president's legal team is fighting a secret court battle to block a federal grand jury from getting information from his ex-aides about his efforts to overturn the election. well, it's not a secret anymore because we know. we saw three of his lawyers there they are right there
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coming out of court yesterday. so more on that in a moment, but it has been a no good, terrible, very bad week for the ex-president and his legal team. his own hand picked special master telling him he can't just declassify documents with his mind. he's got to have proof. he can't just make wild accusations the fbi somehow planted evidence during that search of mar-a-lago. he's got to say exactly what he claims they planted. and oh, there is the new york state attorney general filing a monster civil fraud lawsuit against trump, three of his adault children, and the trump organization, one that could cost them a quarter of a billion dollars. remember that? it's been quite a week. and there's more. tonight the intelligence community has restarted its review of the potential damage from those classified documents being moved to mar-a-lago. and ahead of the january 6th committee hearing next week committee member jamie raskin
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says they have more to reveal about roger stone as well as trump's attempt to keep power after the attack. let's remember the biggest question in all of this -- the biggest questions in all of this are still unanswered. what is the former president trying to keep under wraps and why? and speak of no good, terrible, very bad, it was another very terrible day on wall street. sorry. investors taking a bath. 401k as well, stocks falling to their lowest levels since november of 2020. is the fed overcorrecting is the question? and what does it mean for you putting food on the table, paying your bills, saving for retirement or getting a mortgage? and there's the latest on the crazy story of an nfl legend, a former state official, and welfare funds that ended up where they weren't supposed to go. lots more to come on all of that tonight so stay tuned over the next cup of hours. i want to first bring in, though, nixon white house counsel john dean, robert lipp,
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former general council for national intelligence. gentlemen, good evening to both of you. thanks for joining. the secret court battle we see video of his lawyers leaving court, they're trying to block a federal grand jury from getting information about trump's former close aides to get information about the election. how do you see this turning out? what's going on here? >> well, i think a couchal things are going on. one, it seems to always be in mr. trump's interest to try and delay things. the reporting -- your reporting suggests he waited until the very last minute to file this motion, and i think his hope is let's draw it out. the other thing going on is i think this is going to be another example like the special master and the 11th circuit where he's going to be told to put up or shut up. for months and longer he has made vague statements about the possibility of executive privilege, the possibility of
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attorney-client privilege, and i think the judge in this case is going to say, okay, if you think there's executive privilege here what is it with respect to and why is it executive privilege? the problem is all of this is in secret, and so we're not going to know it except that you may be able to see witnesses going in and out of the courthouse. >> i wonder, bob, you know, trump is using to gaming the system and gaming the legal system by dragging things out and especially economically, like -- if you're going to fight lawsuits, right, from people in his business who sued him or he sued them it costs a lot of money and many times he's drop them or wait them out. is this a different level than he's used to dealing with? he also doesn't have that special presidential cloak he had before because he's not the president of the united states. it seems like a whole new game for him, so to speak, a whole new legal realm for him he's just not used to, and he's got to suffer the consequences of for him actually telling the
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truth. >> i think that is absolutely right. he's been used for decades to being able to wear the other person down with constant delays and constant lawyer pettifogging. and in this case he's up against a determined department of justice and judges who aren't taking any crap from him. >> john, let's talk about this executive privilege. i want you to weigh in on this, and you can weigh in on the question i asked bob as well, but this executive privilege is a tough hurdle for prosecutors. they've gotten over it before. the justice department gained access to nixon watergate tapes for a grand jury. that's something you're familiar with. is this a similar situation? >> this is not a friendly form in some ways for trump to raise the executive privilege issue because it's been resolved at both the court of appeals and with several cases after nixon's case. so i think what trump is doing
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here is there was a case in january that was resolved by the supreme court called thompson or trump vs. thompson, and it was the effort to invoke executive privilege for the january 6th committee. trump lost that and had to turn over information. but in doing so justice kavanaugh put a statement out when the supreme court went along with the lower court saying it's okay since biden has not invoked executive privilege there is none. kavanaugh said, listen, that's an unresolved issue and i think former presidents should have the ability to invoke executive privilege in certain situations. so i think that's what trump is going after. and if they could get some hooked where they could get this up to the supreme court as bob said this is delay, and he can get a lot of delay if he could get in his case headed in that
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direction. i think that's what he's trying to do. >> but delay until what? until there's a new -- >> well, until another day. until another day to see what happens, see if he gets a break, see if something happens in his favor. it's been his playbook his entire adult life to use the court and then delay as long as he can particularly when he is the defendant or the case is against him. he has -- he's had a lifetime of using this tactic, and it's worked pretty well for him. >> but as i understand as a person i don't think it's like he's writing the check himself. this is coming out of funds he's raised over time from his campaigns? >> it's campaign money, exactly. and he just hired a new lawyer, paid him $3 million retainer. the guy obviously was smart enough to get it up front. and so he's got plenty of
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lawyers and plenty of money to pay lawyers, so he can play this game for a long time. not as long as the feds can. >> it's become a business, an industry to represent donald trump. a lot of lawyers are making money off of that. bob, former white house counsel, pat cipollone, and his deputy recently appeared before the grand jury but negotiated topics that they wouldn't answer questions -- topics they wouldn't answer because of trump's privilege claims. what happens if they can talk to them about how involved trump was in trying to toss out the election results and stay in power? what happens then? >> well, i think that's partly what this proceeding is all about before this secret proceeding before the chief judge in the district of columbia. i think the justice department would like to be able to ask people like pat philben and pat cipollone more questions. i expect they anticipated
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eventually they'd be back before the court getting a broader resolution of the kinds of issues john was talking about, whether a former president can invoke a privilege against a sitting president, whether -- whether these conversations are protected by executive privilege at all. and i think the justice department is hopeful they'll get a rule from the court that enables them to go back and get complete testimony from these earlier witnesses. >> yeah. john, you talked about this a little bit in your previous answer that he keeps getting smacked down. but we keep seeing these put up or shut up moments with trump. in the case of the mar-a-lago documents, a special master ordering trump's team to back up evidence there. is it getting tougher to protect trump in these cases or in this case? >> absolutely. absolutely. the -- the idea of a special master probably was a stall, again. and they selected the special master and they got the one they selected, and he's an honest
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judge. and he is doing what a good judge would do is he's going to get verification for the kind of information they put forward. in other words this judge who's the special master said, listen, if you're saying the fbi planted information, tell us -- tell me why and i want to know if you're going to invoke executive privilege against the incumbent president tell me the basis on which you're going to do it. so he's being very specific, and he wants document by document, page by page delineated so he knows where they're coming from, what privilege is involved and can they not resolve it themselves? if so, he will resolve it, and then he'll report onto judge canon what he thinkicize the situation with these documents. >> john, bob, thank you so much. have a good weekend, gentlemen. protests in the streets, russians trying to escape vladimir putin's call-up of
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president biden saying today the united states will never recognize ukrainian territory as anything other than ukraine after russia's sham referendum. we're also learning that u.s. officials have been engage in private communications with russia for the past several months warning that there will be consequences if moscow chooses to use a nuclear weapon. joining me the former defense secretary william cohen. good to see you. thank you for joining us, sir. it was just a few days ago putin made a veiled nuclear threat -- i don't know how veiled you thought it was -- but now we're seeing him try to talk him down for several months.
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are you concerned putin could make good on his threat? >> well, he's made the threat before. almost in the very beginning of this war so he started the war. he's now losing the war and what he's doing by these statements is he's wrapping himself in a nuclear suicide vest and saying either i win or you all die. so this is basically he's saying surinder or i'll create a holocaust. i think the united states is communicating to him as president biden did at the united nations, don't, don't, don't. there'll be consequences. i don't think we have to spell them out in advance but i can assure you the pentagon, the department of defense, is making every contingent plan for what may take place in the future. and frankly it would be a catastrophic mistake i think -- excuse me -- for president putin to think about using nuclear weapons. so we are where we are at this point, but we can't back down and reward someone blackmailing the entire western world with a
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nuclear weapon because he's losing something he never should have started in the first place. >> right on. right, right. you were defense secretary. you know what these kinds of back channel talks were like. is there anything the u.s. can do or say, frankly, that will pull putin back? >> i don't think it's as much the united states as it is the rest of the world. this past week or so we've had the chinese who have had this new special relationship with russia say they do not support anyone conducting warfare in another country using force to extend their boundaries. you had india also a major partner but at least an affiliation over the years with russia to buy much of their equipment from russia and a lot of their oil from russia saying that they were worried about what was russia was doing and very concerned about it. so two very powerful countries have now come out indicating putin is making in essence a mistake. i think that plus the united states and nato staying
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together. i met this week with the danish prime minister. she was strong about the commitment of nato. and i think that's strong as long as we show unanimity. and the growing support for the world saying stop this. you are putting the world in peril by making these kinds of statements. we have to take it seriously. we can't treat it as a bluff, but we have to be prepared and let the russians know and also let the indians, the chinese and others know that we mean business as well. if he should start something like this, then there's very -- it's very dangerous to have an escalation take place very quickly and try to manage that. so everybody is at risk, so therefore we have to make sure that message is not only to russia but to our other allies and friends throughout the world. >> you know, secretary, we talked about this, right, during the beginning of the war and
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still about the -- how the media there, the people of russia don't really see media. there's not a free media there, so they're getting propaganda. but russians have been attempting to flee the country since putin's announcement of this partial mobilization. there have been protests in the streets. is the anger and the dissent going to get too big for putin to control? because i think people are -- the truth is starting to trickle out there. am i wrong? >> the russians have a record iron curtain like they did in the past. this one is to prevent digital information from getting through to the russian people. that is starting to happen as body bags come home, when mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters don't see their loved ones coming back from this special mission. and the more bodies that come back, the greater the discontent is going to be at the street level. and the more -- he's basically creating a draft.
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he may call it something else, but it's basically a draft. and he's going around house to house looking for the men in there. so you're seeing men really fleeing russia, and it's really quite a contrast to seeing the women fighting in iran and the russian men trying to get out. >> i want to talk to you about iran. can we talk about iran? >> sure. it's a nice juxtaposition. >> yeah, it is. if people take to the streets over the killing of the 22-year-old, she died last week in the custody of iran's so-called morality police, which enforces mandatory head scarves -- a mandatory head scarf law. could these protests lead to real change in iran? >> i think it's quite possible. i thought of in watching the film of this the song i am woman, hear me roar. and they're starting to roar now
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because they're saying these restrictions are going too far. the fact this lady had too much hair showing under a hijab resulted in her death. women are rising up in anger and they're a force to contend with in iran, in the united states and russia as well. and again i want to come back to russia for a moment. look at those young people out in the streets in their teens, men and women, boys and girls demonstrating against what putin is doing. they don't want to go to war. and so that is building up in the street. and what we have to do and what ukraine is continuing to do, pedal to the metal, keep pushing, accelerate the equipment that we're giving the ukrainians. make it as difficult as possible for russians to justify what they're doing by sending more and more young to their deaths. it's a sad thing to say but they're being used as fodder right now, and what putin is doing is saying i want more fodder. i'm going into the rural areas to get the poor people, get the
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criminals out of jail and force them into the front lines where they will become human fodder just like the other anywhere from 60 to 80,000 russian soldiers have become casualties. >> secretary, always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> great to talk to you, don. pleading guilty mississippi's former head of welfare admitting to one of the biggest public corruption cases in state history, a case that has swept up nfl player brett favre. stay with us.
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a dramatic new turn in the welfare scandal linked to former nfl star brett favre. this morning the former director of mississippi's welfare agency pleading guilty for his part in a multi-million dollar fraud scheme that auditors say misused welfare dollars funneling funds linked to prominent mississippians like prom independent nfl star brett
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favre. cnn's diane gallagher has the latest on the story. >> reporter: john davis didn't have much to say as he left the court on thursday. the former head of mississippi's welfare agency pleading guilty to state and federal charges connected to one of the largest public corruption cases in state history. >> it's been justice delayed but not justice denied. >> reporter: a conspiracy that according to the auditor and court documents saw at least $77 million meant for needy families in the nation's poorest state instead be funneled through nonprofits to pet projects of the politically connected and celebrities like pro-football hall of famer brett favre. in a release announcing davis' guilty pleas for one count of conspiracy and one count of theft from programs receiving federal funds, the department of justice said davis worked with four unnamed coconspirators, writing that he directed the welfare funds to two nonprofits and then directed those nonprofits to award contracts for social services that were
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never provided. >> mr. davis, as relates to count one, conspiracy, how do you pleel plead? guilty or not guilty? >> guilty. >> as it relates to count two fraud against the government how do you plead guilty or not guilty? >> guilty. >> reporter: davis entered that guilty employee 18 times. five counts of conspiracy and 13 counts of fraud against the government, admitting, for example, he spired with former pro-wrestler brett divisi. he received welfare funds and was supposed to teach classes about drug abuse but instead used the money to pay for among other things a stay at a rehabilitation center in malibu. >> it was not okay, and i can't tell other than it shouldn't have been okay. i should not have allowed that to happen. i should have stopped it. >> reporter: davis has agreed to cooperate with state and federal investigators and testify against others.
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>> we're still looking directly through the text messages, and we also continue to work with federal authorities of washington and in mississippi to continue to move forward. john davis is critical as the ladder continues to move up. >> reporter: text messages were released last week as part of the state's ongoing civil litigation by attorneys for a non-profit who has already pleaded guilty in connection with the welfare scheme. they show nancy new and brett favre working to obtain millions of dollar for a volleyball center at brett favre's alma mater where his daughter played the sport at the time. they repeatedly referenced john davis and updated each other on their meetings with him. in 2017 john t texting john mentioned 4 mellian and not sure if i heard him right, very big deal and can't hear you enough. however, favre does not face any criminal charges. his attorney told cnn that the former quarterback did not know
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the money came from welfare funds. >> it could have been more honorable. he he had no idea where it came from. >> reporter: the former governor has not been charged nor is he a defendant in any suit. in the past he's denied any knowledge of the scheme. all of the multiple investigations into the fraud scheme remain ongoing. >> i can tell you this on my end we're going to continue to make sure this case is thoroughly investigated. as everyone knows we have turned over every piece of evidence that we have over to federal investigators. >> reporter: john davis is set to be sentenced in federal court early next year. >> diane, thank you very much. >> house republicans announcing their agenda less than 50 days to the mid-terms, but will it actually move the needle? that's next.
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how far away the mid-terms are tonight. voters are worried about everything from inflation to immigration to abortion to protecting democracy itself. the republicans and democrats are rolling out their message for the bitterly divided electorate. >> they control washington. they control the house, the senate, the white house. they control the committees. they control the agencies. it's their plan, but they have no plan to fix all the problems they created. so you know what? we've created a commitment to america. >> house minority leader kevin mccarthy went to pennsylvania and unveiled what he calls a commitment to america. that's a thin series of policy goals with little or no detail that he says republicans are going to pursue if they regain control of the congress. >> let's discuss now. cnn's senior legal political analyst ron brownstein is here and former republican guessman charlie dent.
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you saw him announcing this commitment to america plan four pillars here. they are the economy, fighting inflation, making the nation safer, empowering parents, and taking on big tech, holding the government accountable and protecting freedoms. that's a whole lot of topics, but biden's criticizing if as thin on policy. what do you think? >> well, yeah, it is thin on policy, but remember what they rolled out today i'm sure was focus group and poll testing. so much of this stuff is pretty benign, more funding for the police, border security, and that's primarily their agenda. nothing there really controversial. is this going to make a difference in the mid-term? absolutely not because the mid-term is really about the other party, if you're the opposition party it's about not really what you're for. the democrats remember in '06 had their six for '06.
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everybody's forgotten what that was and even republicans in 2010 i was there for that, too, and nobody remembers it. nothing controversial here but something else they can talk about it. >> ron, i heard you sort of let out a grown. i don't know if there's agreement or disagreement when he said that's not going to make a difference. go on. why were you doing that? >> first of all, i'm going to tell -- i could tell charlie -- but short of that i basically agree. i mean this is not specific enough to have much of an impact one way or the other. it gives you a sense of direction that they would want to pursue but there really isn't a lot of meat on these bones. and, don, the basic dynamics of this election are set in place. and it goes back really it your introduction and in a way and case slightly different place than charlie. on the one hand you have a lot of voters who feel the democrats have mishandled the economy with
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inflation, who don't think the democrats are doing well on crime or immigration. they have a lot of questions about democratic performance and the role of government. and on the other hand, in the other direction you have a lot of voters who view the trump era republican party as a threat to their rights, their values and d democracy itself. and they have changed the frame. it isn't simply an election that is a referendum on the party in power. what's happened since the beginning of the summer largely because of the abortion decision but also because of the january 6th hearings and the other legal problems with trump is that there are now a significant number of voters not only asking what have democrats done but what would republicans do if given power again? and the answer is not just the benign banalities in the commitment to america but also things on potentially a national ban on abortion. >> listen to what mccarthy said and then we'll talk. here it is. >> as we went across this country listening we heard the
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same thing kitchen table to dining room table to inside the factory. can i afford it? can i afford to fill up my tank? can i afford the food, the milk. can i find baby formula? you know i ask everybody across tis country. >> so he's not wrong. this is what voters are talking about, right? >> they're talking about inflation, but you have to remember what republicans want this election to be about. they want it to be about inflation, crime, border security. they feel that gives them advantage. as ron correctly pointed out republicans aren't talking about these issues in a vacuum that because of the abortion issue, because of january 6th and trump's unhelpful interventions and looking backwards and forwards this is an unusual environment. i don't think anyone really is quite sure how this plays out. this is not going to be a mid-term where it's a referendum on the party in power. it may become a choice election.
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we'll see. i wouldn't bet against history but i think you're going to see a rather slim republican majority in the house. the democratic losses will be mitigated largely over the dobbs decision and i think trump's unhelpful interventions. this is not anything republicans wanted. >> this is unscientific but i hear people talking about the border, right, about immigration i should say. and also really about sort of democracy and more so than the economy than before. usually it's the economy. >> look, don, we're having two elections, and charlie's right about this being unprecedented. i mean, i've talked to pollsters. it is remarkable the extent to which voters in the republican coalition are focused on inflation, crime and immigration. and voters in the democratic coalition are focused on abortion, gun violence, climate, health care, and
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communicating a different set to voters. this could be comparable. look at what the president said today. i think he was more explicit than ever before in saying -- this was a quite. if you give me two more democratic senators referring to manchin's and cinema -- we will codify a national right to abortion. as you saw in arizona today a judge restored a territorial era of complete ban on abortion. it's not just a referendum. a question of basing rights. >> listen, we had a whole segment on that coming up a bit later. and i forgot crime. crime is important as well, but people are talking about the craziness happening with the former president, crime, and i find immigration. those the three topics i hear
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tonight a retired navy seal working to avoid the mistakes of war in afghanistan and future american conflicts, and he is doing it with the help of college students many of whom were just babies at the beginning of the united states longest war. here's anderson cooper. >> reporter: it's been a jimm y rescue an army soldier. he had suffered a catastrophic gunshot wound. >> it went out the back of my leg. >> jimmy had to be rescued. bandaged and bleeding his 21 years as a navy seal were over. he was awarded the purple heart
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and bronze star for his actions that night. >> we'll not lose this war because that's deep. there's a lot of layers. >> hatch was blessed to survive, but his military dog was killed on the mission. he honored his and other worker dogs who helped save lives by founding a charity that helped provide gear for working dogs who faced danger. in 2017 i first profiled jimmy as a champion for change. he convinced me to go skydiving with him to raise money for spike's canine fund. in 2019 after a chance meeting with a yale professor on another skydiving trip, jimmy was encouraged to apply to yale's eli whitney program for nontraditional students with exceptional backgrounds and aspirations. >> and a few months later i received an e-mail saying i was
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accepted, and i was shocked. and i looked at my wife and she said you'd be an idiot if you didn't go. >> reporter: so age 52 jimmy hatch became the oldest freshman in yale's class of 2023. last year from the united states' chaotic withdrawal from afghanistan, i asked jimmy to o come on cnn as some fought and lost so much there. >> i just think we did a lot of wrong things in afghanistan. >> reporter: turns out yale university liked jimmy's idea. and in a matter of weeks they designed a yearlongs class to investigate what went wrong in afghanistan and produce a report of their findings. they invited jimmy, the undergraduate, to not only take the graduate level class but to be an unofficial cook professor with retired u.s. ambassador anne patterson. >> jimmy was basically the founder, the grandchild behind the course. and he was a huge benefit
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because jimmy had on the ground experience in afghanistan. >> my first class was -- >> jimmy when he came to yale i think showed us that education is service, too. that his service to the country didn't end when he stopped being a navy s.e.a.l. and serving in active combat, but an idea this was a new phase of his service to the country and he was there to learn something that the world would be better. >> the class spent months speaking to a number of generals and ambassadors, members of the afghan special forces and even a spokesman for the taliban. and t.
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>> i believe that in a way, a part of the united states of america died in afghanistan. in my classmates, and i, pick them up and brought them into the classroom and are attempting to bury them with respect and learn the lessons that created them. >> with me now, good to see you, the report you mentioned, it was just published, hoping that they can you know, not repeat in future conflicts. >> jimmy and ella students and those who took part in the report, looking back at the 20 year war, one of the big takeaways they had, the one afghanistan is a 20 year war but really 21 years, and many
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people cycled through, and one year cycles. every year, the diplomats would change, and the commanders might change, it was the 20 year war where institutional knowledge was passed from year to year, it was new people coming in it every time in the afghan saw that and i member going out in the province, marines who risked their lives to get to some remote village, and convince the elders to get off the fence and support, and they knew the u.s., they're going to leave eventually and the taliban is here to stay, that's one of the big lessons and congress looking over the pursestrings, a lot of folks in afghanistan were making a lot of money, a lot of cash came into the country and disappeared. >> extraordinary.>> and a navy seal for his entire life. got the opportunity to be 5455-
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year-old graduate at a gray college, and he's making the most of it. >> thank you. >> today, saturday, 8 pm eastern, champions for change, one hour special, loss after loss for the former president, we will look at all the investigations right after this. >> champions for change, charles schwab, following the stories of pioneers you are challenging the status quo, cnn.com/champions to learn more about the stories that highlight bright examples of humanity and give hope and inspiration.
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strike a devastating week of those for the for president, agree letting the doj to continue the investigation of documents, the special master that trumps own team asked for sitting deadlines and asking the provide proof of their wild claims, and a civil lawsuit from the new york ag, against trump and his children in their business alleging hundreds of inches is -- instances of fraud. exclusive reporting to tell you about, trumps team has been waging a secret court battle to block a federal grand jury from getting information from the ex- aides about his efforts to overturn election.
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former assistant special watergate prosecutor, nick ackerman, cnn political commentator scott jennings and errol lewis. good evening to one and all. this is a lot. i told you guys the break, really concentrating on which trump legal situation. >> you need a scorecard. >> let's talk about it, because of reporting but this is a very bad week of the for the president, what is your assessment? >> bad legally and politically, bad because this complaint from the ag's office is absolutely devastating, basically going to put them out of business, asking for $250 million, and he really has no defense because on every single one of those allegations, i'm convinced the ag got them to take the fifth amendment on each one of those, meaning that a truthful answer would tend to incriminate him,
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and on that basis, a judge or jury has no choice but to basically find him guilty on those charges. >> use other sources in the trump world. >> north carolina he had a rally for ted but for u.s. senate down there, using this as part of his speech to the crowd, the witchhunt, the rafters again, he has effectively done this since he started. >> that's lisa's been public but behind the scenes? >> will behind the scenes i think that it is not just him, there's a whole world of people around him were also obvious the -- if our were one of his lawyers dealing with the mar-a- lago issue right now i guess i'd be worried, because some of them are on the hook for some the statements that were made, so i'm sure it is anxiety inducing for a lot of them in on top of everything else, they're watching politically, if you look at the national polls have come out lately, even though his base r
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