tv Don Lemon Tonight CNN September 29, 2022 7:00pm-8:00pm PDT
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everyone, thank you so much for watching. our coverage of hurricane ian continues now with don lemon. he's live from orlando. i'm so glad to see that you're safe. we have been watching you all day. >> reporter: what a day it has been. a day of really horrors and danger, but also some good, seeing neighbors coming together helping neighbors. but it's been probably the most interesting day in a long time, and the emotions going back and forth watching and experiencing
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all of this. i'm going to get to it. i'll see you tomorrow night. thanks. this is don lemon tonight, and i'm in orlando florida, and being here, what's really amazing is the amount of water. as i said last night, this has been a water storm. it's all about the water. it's not about the wind. this hurricane dumped so much water on the state of florida. what you see behind me, these trees are usually under water behind me, so people would normally be walking behind me on this path. but now, if you go there, you're at your own risk. the destruction it's caused here is amazing inland, and it didn't even see the worst of hurricane ian. their whole neighbors, homes, everything people had in the world under water right now. also, it's important to talk about the bravery of the first responders risking their own
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lives, rescuing strangers, some of them people who stayed in their homes that were at risk. i went out on a small boat with orange county fire and rescue today. we talked with some of the people who close not to leave their homes. i mean if you look right here, this is a basketball goal 810 feet tall and just poking out of the water here, and you see the jungle gyms and swings and whatever. that gives you an indication of how high the water is. why did you decide to stay? >> a lot of it had to do with -- there weren't many places -- like i know the shelters are open and they're relatively close by, but there wasn't many places we could go with our stuff. i've got my dog in here too. and the flooding is more than we thought it would be. >> and we're still getting some of those winds now. a lot more rain than wind. what you see from the air in community after community, you
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have to see it to believe it. this storm leaving catastrophe in its wake after it made its way across the state. at least 17 people dead tonight. there are fears that number will go up. florida state fire martial says hurricane even is likely the largest natural disaster in the state's history. ian has strengthened to a category one hurricane once again taking aim at the carolina coast. and this just shows you the devastating power of this storm. parts of sanibel completely washed away. now there's no way to get on or off the island except by boat there. i want you to take a look at this rubble all over fort myers beach. just a few days ago, this would have been a vacation paradise. now just take a look at it. unbelievable. i want to get to bill who has
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some of the first images of the hardest hit areas in this storm zone, places now only accessible by boat. it's good to see you safe and sound, my friend. you just got back from some of the hardest hit places, places like pine island. what did you witness, sir? >> it was really rough. pine island, the southern tip there is a town called st. james city, and that is where i saw truly some of the most devastation, not just of what we've seen today in florida but in my career of covering these storms going back before katrina. it was just a jumble of broken homes and cars and sunken boats and rvs and canals. and just the shattered pieces of so many people's lives spread everywhere. really just heart breaking. but on sanibel island where the construction is wealthier and stronger, it was not nearly the
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same level of obvious pain. you know, we walked around a little bit on sanibel. there was kind of the damage you would see in a storm but nothing to the scope as we've seen in some of the working class neighborhoods around here and on the mainland and there in st. james city. it was breathtaking, don. >> talk to me about it a little more because i'm looking at the video of you walking around with parts of the walk way washed away. it's going to take a long time to rebuild, right? >> both. oh, incredible long time. for some of these places. now, you know, the cause way going to sanibel, a good 50-60 foot chunk of that fell into the gulf of mexico. the highway leading up to that is completely ripped away. that is an engineering challenge
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that who knows how long it will take. so the only way to and from that island is helicopter or boat. so yes, that's just one little piece of it, though. we drove down from punta gorda this morning and would drive for a dozen miles and not see a single standing power line. it's not just a few poles that are down. it's all of them for miles. cell service -- i don't know if you've experienced it -- but so many towers are down. it's hard to communicate. there was a study that came out i think this year that over 3 million work days will be lost in 2022 just from flooding. and you got to imagine that that number is going to jump up just based on this one storm, don, because people have just the basic necessities stripped away from them right now. much less thinking about getting back to work and all of that. we did see some amazing signs of pure humanity and help and
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resilience at the same time. and that's what these storms bring out, the best and worst of us. >> in the opening of the show, i was saying the exact same thing. it's amazing to witness. we always do every time we venture out to cover one of these catastrophic events. and you know who's always there as well? the cajun navy making rescues, and you were out with them. tell us about that, bill. >> so these guys -- i remember them back in katrina. there was an unofficial name we called them. they have now sort of officiated their presence as officially a nonprofit a few years ago. the big storm harvey in houston where they really claim into claim. so we went out with them. also guys from project dynamo, pure volunteers coming down here
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on their own dime with their own boats or with donations because these are nonprofits, just to try to save americans. project dynamo are was rescuing americans out of ukraine and the taliban all summer. he's on vacation trying to help americans. but we went to that town i was telling you about, st. james city. we went looking for a couple, their daughter called them, and they had no idea what became of their elderly parents. the father richard is an amputee. so they said can the cajun navy go get them, so that's what we did. and here's a little sound as we made our way back to civilization. >> my son was trying to get ahold -- he says i'm trying to get ahold of the army and this and the sheriff. i said, they say there's not
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going to -- i heard that they weren't going to do anything after the bridge closed down. but my granddaughters are in ohio. and she was crying hysterical when i talked to her on the phone. she was like, we were thinking you got hurt. i said, no, there's no service. >> that's the thing. the uncertainty brings so much fear and stressed. >> i knew it. that had me more worried than what i was going through at the time because i knew my family was worried. >> i saw your neighborhood. my god, what was it like to go through that? >> no. it was worse. there was two trucks that came and they cleared everything. >> it was worse than what we saw? >> it was all on the road. and they came and they asked us if we needed anything, and we said, we're okay. she was trying to get ahold of my phone. didn't have no phone service either.
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you know. but overall, we got nervous, but i wasn't like terrified. i don't know. for some reason, i have faith in god, and i said, we're going to make it. >> that's nancy and robert. they were so grateful to get that boat ride to shore, don. and it was so nice to see these volunteers who say, look, for us, it's thursday. for them, it's the worst day of their lives. and much of the way when you call the fire department, nobody asks you who you vote for, they come to help you. and there's that spirit now we're seeing where after storms like this where people suffer together, it really draws the best out of folks and neighbors helping neighbors and strangers helping strangers. it was really uplifting on what was a brutal day for so many people. >> right on, bill.
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you're right. no one asked today who we voted for or who we worked for. they were happen if i we were there to show the world what was happening to them and how they were getting along even at the worst of times. bill, great work. thank you. keep it up and be safe, my friend. so i want to show you this. you're looking at video, and it's coming into cnn of orange county officials. they're rescuing 200 people today. first responders have been working nonstop all across florida to help people who are in danger. these people are really doing god's work. earlier today, i got an up close look at what they're dealing with. watch this. this is what we're seeing now in orlando. rescues from people who have been stuck in their homes. one of the boats they're using -- if you go around here, you can see all the folks on
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scene and the people who have been rescued here. how are you doing? what do you think about all this? >> it's kind of crazy. i've been trained for a community response team, and we did the training here in the park for this type of thing, but no one can plan for this type of thing. >> there are people waiting in this very dangerous water to try to get these people out. the water in some places neck deep for some of these folks. and it's dangerous because we're being told to be careful because there are gators in this water. we're out with lieutenant fernando. >> at least 200 starting at about 4:30-5:00 this morning. >> so you launch here, and you don't know what's under this water. how deep it is or what you're going to hit. >> absolutely not. part of the issue we had was
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navigating these waters. even though we know we're in a neighborhood and the streets dictate where we go, we've got hidden mailboxes. >> you can see where they are. some are covered and some are peeking out of the top here. so explain how this area is prone to flooding, but it's gotten more water this time. i think the highest water level so far. >> this is the highest it's ever been. it happened some five years ago, and these three lakes, these small lakes that join together by small canals, they crested sometime early this morning, and this whole area here is a super lie-lowing area. >> this is a basketball goal. you know, eight, 10 feet tall just poking out of the water here, and you see the jungle gyms and swings. that gives you an indication of
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how high the water is. what are folks saying? i understand, lieutenant, that the pumps went out and they said they had electricity, but the pumps went out before the electricity. >> i think that's what it was, that the pumps failed. >> i believe so. >> how much water do you think they've gotten in here so far? >> we're looking -- just from looking right now, we're looking at 8 feet of water. six to 8 feet of water at minimum. the neighborhood we were at this morning, single-family dwellings over here were halfway under water. >> this is usually a street. this looks look a river that you usually navigating through on a boat. that's not meant to be, you know, a waterway. but we're also told that many people decided to stay. what are they saying when they get on the boat? >> a lot of them want to stay because it's their home.
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it means a lot of them. a lot of these people have lost a lot. so those that do come into the boat are very thankful we were there to help them. there's the folks right there. the mailbox, the car still in the driveway. imagine a malfunction with the battery or whatever, and the lights are still on. >> we've run into that all day. when we started this morning, it was in the pitch dark, and all the cars were just, all of them, alarms going off, lights going on, no control at all. >> some of them you can just barely see the top of the roof. >> i mean, it's unbelievable if you turn around here. look at these cars and the mailboxes. and there are people who are still inside of some of these homes. alex, why did you decide to stay? >> a lot of it had to do with -- there weren't many places. like i know the shelters are open and they're relatively close by, but there wasn't many
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places we could go with our stuff. i've got my dog in here too, and the flooding is more than we thought it would be, but i don't feel terribly, terribly like my house is about to float away. it's pretty sturdy. been through things before. >> this much water, though, ever? >> this much water, no. like i said, the level that it's at right now is very surprising. it came in very fast. i was awake last night, and it was still in the road by 6:00, and by 7:00, it was up to the first stair right here, so it did rise very fast. it's been decently stagnant for the past few hours. >> has it reached your floor? >> no. it's not inside yet. there's people around. we have all been waving and checking in on each other. we're all mainly concerned about our cars because our cars are shot. >> it's really fascinating because you understand how people feel that they don't want to leave their homes and
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belongings, but you know they are putting their lives at risk. it's really their choice. as i have been reporting since yesterday, the fire department had been going around in fire trucks blowing on horning urging people, pleading with them to leave their homes before the worst came in. at a certain point, you can't leave. you're stuck there. i have not gone back to that neighborhood to check on people. but the water was still rising. it was still raining. and they said if it got to a point where they could leave, they would get on a boat. but at a certain point, the boats don't come anymore. i hope they're okay. at this point, we know there are still rescues going on all over orlando and the region right now. let's get straight to tom in the weather center. tom, i appreciate you joining us this evening once again. ian has strengthened again to a
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category one. what does this mean for south carolina at this point? >> don, it means our third land fall. the first one in cuba knocking out power to the entire country, we know what happened in southwest florida, and now they're bracing along the south carolina coastline, which is extremely vulnerable to these types of tropical systems, especially hurricanes. we have in red here our hurricane warnings. it's down to the border of georgia. notice in blue here, this is a tropical storm warning. that means tropical storm forces and conditions will be well inland. there's going to be some power outages. we've got tens of thousands of search and rescue teams all throughout florida not just at land fall but where we had so many crazy rain events. it doesn't look very impressive. last couple of frames trying to show some red, it's trying to gettist to organize. the rain has just about left the
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peninsula right now. we still have a northeast wind, so still trying to push that water on shore, not like it did earlier. but all of the rain is on the northern and northwestern flank. it's still a hurricane, it's just not as well organized, but it's still going to bring the same effects. it will not bring this, however. this is that northern flank right here. this is where we talk about two 1/2 to three months worth of rain fell in this area. the odds of that happening, a one in 1,000 year event. we've got a category one. now, timing means everything with this. we believe it will be some time after noon. we want it to be later. the reason we want it to be later is their high and low tide. it's much different on the atlantic coastline than it is on the gulf.
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charleston floods if you get 4 inches of rain fall. elevation is zero. but the high and low tide mean everything. at 11:41, it's high tide. if this land fall is at noon, that means that surge will be four to 7 feet in. if it's at low tide, then maybe just maybe we'll only get a couple of feet. look at the inundation map in charleston where you can see how much all the rivers, anybody who lives along these water ways is looking at three to 6 feet. again, don, you know historic charleston, they are going to be inundated, and i know that emergency services are standing by because we may have many more 9 911 calls, many more water rescues, and don, the winds are 600 miles wide for tropical storm force winds.
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that's twice as wide as it was at land fall. there will be hurricane winds with this as well moving in to the historic city of charleston. >> it is just incredible, tom. we'll check back. tom, thank you very much for that. i want to show you again where we are. these trees aren't usually in the water here. about 50 feet out is where the lake usually starts. this is a walking or running path. normally you would see folks here. this is an event space. i don't know if you can see it, but there's an event space to my left that is usually not under water, and it is under water right now. so you can see how this has affected downtown orlando, the downtown orlando area. listen, i have been living through hurricanes for 50-some-odd years and covering them for at least 20 years. i've never seen such a rain
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event as this. ian sat on top of florida and dumped buckets and bucuckets an feet of feet i in rain in hours. let's get baback to what's happening inin florida. now in florida, catastrophic damage in fort myers. a lot of folks don't have homes to go back to. derek is on the scene. that is next. we'll be right back. hey, i just got a text from my sister. you remember rick, her neighbor? sure, he's the 76-year-old guy who still runs marathons, right? sadly, notnymore. w. so sudden. um, we're not about to have the "we need life insurance" conversation again, are we? no, we're having the "we're getting coverage so we don't have to worry about it" conversation. so you're calling about the $9.95 a month plan -from colonial penn? -i am.
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we're back now live. hurricane ian causing catastrophic damage in fort myers florida. derek is on the scene. derek, good evening to you, sir. fort myers there, boats flipped over and on shore. businesses torn apart. tell us what you have seen today. >> yeah, don, using the words of the fort myers mayor saying that his city looks like a war zone, and my team and i as we approach this area, we can echo that sentiment. what you're looking at behind me is just a drop in the bucket of the devastation that was unleashed on this particular city, especially in the fort myers beach area, which is about 16 miles to my south and southeast.
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the city of fort myers did not fair that well either. you can clearly see behind us what has happened here at the yacht base and along the river side. it's inkreb. there's a boil water notice for the city. the drinking water is no longer usable. there is also a mandatory curfew through tomorrow evening for this particular area, and you can imagine why. just driving around with my producer earlier this evening, and we saw traffic signals, traffic lights dangling in the middle of intersections completely darkened. it came across us so quickly. you can imagine how dangerous that is. what you're looking at behind me is the fort myers yacht base, and these boats behind me have literally been tossed around like toys by the storm surge. it's important you see this from the sky as well because we're going to take you there. this footage just shows you how mo
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mother nature's force and fury unleashed itself on this area. it tossed these boats like they were toys into several blocks inland from the fort myers location, in fact, one of the docks made out of concrete was actually pushed inland, and there was also boats wedged in between buildings. they had seven to 8 feet of storm surge here. some of the gauges broke in naples, so there's still going to be some assessments to determine how high that storm surge was. but it was a terrifying night talking to some of the residence dens who rode out this storm. they can't stay here. there's no food, no water, and the communication is sparse at best. we have certainly experienced that as well. running off of generator power as we speak. it's been a difficult time for people here. it's going to take not weeks, not months, potentially years to recover from a disaster of this
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decimated. florida's governor says some homes are now just concrete slabs. joining me now is dan, the city councilman for fort myers beach, and he joins me now via phone. i appreciate you joining us, dan. i really do. i know it's an incredibly busy and emotional time for everyone here in florida. fort myers beach has been devastated. you have been out in the community, and you've taken some pictures of the aftermath. how extensive is the damage, sir? >> i've made it about 2/3 down the island. i would say 90% of the island is pretty much gone unless you have a high rise condo or a newer concrete home that is built to fema standards today, your house is pretty much gone as well as businesses. it's pretty devastating. >> 90%, dan?
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wow. >> that would be my estimate. i walked, like i said, probably four or five miles down the island. from what i saw just -- and our island is only seven miles long. about 2/3 of it, every home pretty much on the beach is gone. there's craters where the main road that runs through our island has caved into the craters that have been sucked out into the gulf. some of the homes on the side streets are completely gone, and there's nothing but a hole with water. some homes just have pillars standing there, some concrete grade level homes, the block is completely gone, and just a pile of rubble. it's like something i've never seen. >> yeah. what about the loss of life, dan? do you know anything about that? what can you tell us? >> we've had -- i know there's been -- i don't know the numbers, but we've had some
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confirmed deaths. i don't know how many. i know we were able to get one person out of a house earlier today as i was walking around, two people had spotted the person or heard the person, and myself and three others were able to get him out, and he seems to be doing okay. i guess he was taken in, and he'll be fine. but i fear there's many, many more that are not going to be so lucky. >> well, awful. dan, i want to put up those images for our viewers to see. these are before and after images of fort myers beach. you believe it's 90% gone. you rode out this storm on higher ground, and you discovered your own home was lost as well. >> yeah, i was able to make it down there early or late this morning just to at least get some eyes on it, and everything
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obviously inside was gone. the structure itself seems to still be there. seems like we may be able to rebuild, so we were one of the to fortunate ones that our home was on grade level and not on stilts. many others are not. it was very interesting depending on how your street faced and the street i went down, some were completely devastated. one street, i believe there were three houses left on it. another street you went down, and there were a couple that looked like they were barely touched, but they had severe water damage on the inside. it's just a matter of -- our entertainment industry, some of the businesses that have been there for decades are gone. there's nothing but sand. the pillars are gone, it's like they were never there. >> dan, i'm not exactly sure what i'm picking up in your voice. i don't know if it's fatigue or
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it could be a combination of fatigue, if it's just result of the fact of what happened. but what are you feeling now? what do you want people to know about what you're going through and your neighbors and friends and loved ones? >> well, it's not so much about what i'm going through. i'm able to get out there and see and talk to people and hear their stories and help where i can help. and as i said, i was fortunate. i was able to ride out the storm in a fairly safe home. my wife and i were safe. we didn't have any issues even though the water came up to about the second floor. a lot of our friends and island residents were not so lucky. they were in a second level home, but it wasn't to current fema standards, and unfortunately, those are the people that lost their lives. and by the time the water starts coming into that level, it's too
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late for them. all they can do is hope. i've heard stories of people getting in freezers and floating the freezers to another home and being rescued by higher homes. i've heard the gentleman that we pulled out from under the rubble, he clinged to his mattress and tried to float his mattress out of the house before it collapsed on him and ultimately pinned him down. i've heard countless stories of people that have lost everything. and people think, well, when the house is gone, you think, well, the stuff is gone, but no, these houses are legitimately gone. they're nowhere to be found. the main roads in the back bay are solid with homes and debris and boats. search and rescue has been out all day nonstop flying out overhead, rescuing who they can. they're still flying over. we've started to see some coast
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guard medical helicopters now flying over. there's people from all different counties here helping, and it's just a -- it's just catastrophic. >> yeah. dan, i'm so sorry. and we really appreciate you joins us. you be well. take care. and again, we're sorry for what you're having to deal with. we appreciate you sharing your stories and others, your community with the world.. thank you so much. >> i appreciate itit. thank you. >> thanks. so multiple deaths from hurricane ian reported in charlotte county, florida. what's being done to help people there. i'm going to talk to the county commissioner. that is next. desk jobs out there, but this is myappy place. there are millions of ways to make the most of your land. learn more at deere.com
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bringing serious destruction all across florida. charlotte county among the many areas suffering from ian's wrath. city seeing significant damage include port charles and punta gorda. the roof completely torn off of some of the businesses there. others are experiencing severe flooding. i want to bring in charlotte county commissioner. i appreciate you joining us. sorry for what has happened in your community. cnn has the death toll in charlotte county at at least eight to nine people. what information do you have for us? >> don, thanks for having me. i really do appreciate the devastation that's happened everywhere. i just heard that last segment from fort myers beach, and it's just been incredible. we had a death toll con if you remembered this morning of six. it has risen to ten now. a lot of these deaths or most of these deaths are not related to direct flooding or damage to
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homes, but more because people sheltered and that ems crews when the storms got really bad could not get to folks. i myself heeded to evacuation warning. i'm right by where we thought we were going to get flooding, so i evacuated to the east coast. i'm also a physician in town, and i work at the hospital where the roof was compromised, and it was very surreal to see a colleague plead with her pleads for help on your network. just very heart breaking to see all of that going on. and now unfortunately, we have three hospitals, and now we're down to one. we evacuated one of the hospitals in punta gorda because we thought that was going to be under a surge situation. fortunately for us, unfortunately for our neighbors to the south, they got the brunt of it.
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so now if we can get power and water back to that hospital facility, we can ease some of that pain, but right now, we are swamped. and it just doesn't even begin to talk about the issues we're having county wide. >> we are looking at some of the damage now from that hospital. can you talk to us more about the damage there and how much harder it's making the search and recovery efforts? >> so we're working at trying to open up the roadways. our primary and secondary roads are fairly open, but we're probably only out estimated 30 to 40%. we're still trying to get into those back neighborhoods. there's been a lot of flooding. a lot of folks don't have power or water. hopefully tomorrow will be a better day. we're hoping that folks don't return if they're in a safe
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place because we're trying to get the crews to be on the roads and do the assessments. we're standing up with the help of the national guard, locations which will soon be disclosed for water and ready to eat meals and things of that fashion and stage locations around the county because we know that's going to be the next urgent need. >> yeah. chris, you take care, and i hope you guys get the help that you need, and we're so sorry about the devastation, the destruction, the death you're dealing with. you be well. thank you. >> thank you, sir. appreciaiate you having us on. >> a resident of englewood florida returning to her home this morning only to find massive destruction. she had to clear debris just to get into her own house. her story is next.
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joining us. what is going on right now? and how are you and your family holding up? >> right now, we're doing okay. it was pretty rough. i've lived through this for over 20 years, i've been through charlie, i've been through irma. this one was a big one. the wind it felt like a train coming through, the roof going off. just seeing our friends houses that disappeared. our local -- sorry. our local theater for the kids, that's gone. it's just, i don't even know how to explain it. power lines down, i don't know. >> i gotta ask you.
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from just listening to you, andrea. how are you doing? >> i'm doing okay, it's just taking it in. because, you know, we've been through storms, and it seemed like a normal thing and we will cup today and it was just completely different than what we've ever been through. >> that's all the way i can describe it. >> you say, you know, a similar sentiment as many of the people i spoke to today, they said they lived here all their lives, they've never seen anything like it. you just said you've been there for 20 years. >> exactly. and our work, where i work, it's closed for at least a month. power and water they're saying it's going to be weeks. so, i have no idea. >> yeah. yeah. are you still gonna get paid? >> no. now where i'm working. it's local, they can't afford
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that. >> what are you gonna do to make ends meet and survive? >> well, there's not much you can do. there's nothing open. so, i will volunteer, you know, and help clean everything up to get it going faster. other than that, i don't know. i don't want to evacuate. >> you have damage. yeah you have damage to your home? >> i live in englewood, -- >> going into a story. >> i live in englewood -- >> there's a delay, i understand your home is damaged but you also said your boyfriend's brother lives next door, his home is completely gone at least severely damaged? >> it's severely damaged, it's going to be completely done. the whole community that we live in probably, 75% of the community is just done.
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just wiped out. >> yeah. well, andrea, we want you to take care and as i've been saying to all of my guests, we're so sorry that you're having to deal with this. we are being told by every single person who's in official and people who live here, this is a once in a lifetime event. let's hope it's the only time in your lifetime will have to deal with something this severe. >> absolutely. we appreciate you and we appreciate the national guards that came through to check on us to. >> yeah, i agree with you one hunted percent. thank you. >> thank you. >> back in a moment.
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kevin: i've fought wildfires for twenty years. here's the reality we face every day. this is a crisis. we need more firefighters, more equipment, better forest management to prevent wildfires and reduce toxic smoke. and we need to reduce the tailpipe emissions that are driving changes to our climate. that's why cal fire firefighters, the american lung association, and the california democratic party support prop 30. prevent fires. cut emissions. and cleaner air. yes on 30.
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