...an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the number one pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. (snorting) if you struggle with cpap... (groan) (growling) (chuckle) ...you should check out inspire. no mask. no hose. just sleep. (beeping) learn more and view important safety information at inspiresleep.com. not flossing well? then add the whoa! of listerine to your routine. new science shows it gets in between teeth to destroy 5x more plaque above the gumline than floss. for a cleaner, healthier mouth. listerine. feel the whoa! >> the news continues. time to hand it over to don lemon tonight. >> this is don lemon tonight. we've got news on documents the former president took with him to mar-a-lago. i want to talk about the other

stories. but the washington post is reporting that the former president asked one of his lawyers to tell the national archives earlier this year that he had returned everything that they had requested. that lawyers name is alex cannon, refused, because he wasn't so sure that it was true. more to come on this, a little bit later on in the broadcast. plus, 39 days until the midterms, can you believe it? and the former guy who is not on the ballot anywhere is attacking, this is the story, what do you think about this one? attacking senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, claiming that he has a, quote, death wish slamming his wife in a racial slur, not even spelling his name correctly. you see that, xiao xiao. there you go, that is racism. the casual mark about a death wish, not even two years after a blood thirsty mob attacked the united states capitol, hunting for lawmakers in the halls. well, there is no other way to put it, all right? it's despicable. it's disgusting.

every single republican ought to be able to say, loud and clear, or loudly and clearly, that violence is wrong. racism is wrong. >> it's never ever okay to be a racist. it's, you know, i think you always have to be careful, you know, you are in the public eye, and how you say things. you want to make sure you are appropriate. i hope no one is racist. i hope no one says anything that's inappropriate. >> how about what donald trump said and did was wrong? it is beneath the dignity of anyone, especially a former elected public official, president. it's wrong. he shouldn't do it. he hopes someone says anything inappropriate. he probably does not even begin to cover it for a former president, or an ex president, who says that the top republican in the senate has a so-called, death wish.

and then, goes on to slander his wife with racist garbage. but what do you expect from a man who launched his political career we must keep reminding people, launched his political career with a racist birther lie that barack obama was not born in this country. the wall street journal had no trouble saying that the former president has gone too far, and i quote here, the death wish threat rhetoric is ugly, even for mr. trump standards, and deserves to be condemned. it's all too easy to imagine some fanatic taking mr. trump seriously, and literally, attempting to kill mr. mcconnell. many supporters took mr. trump's rhetoric about former vice president, mike pence, all too seriously are generous. jenny we six. and then, there is susan collins telling the new york times, another quote, i wouldn't be surprised if the senator or house member or killed. what's started with phone calls is now translating to active

threats of violence and real violence. and, then there is liz cheney. still out there, telling the truth, while so much of her party is living in fear of a twice impeached, disgraced, one term former president. >> when you see former president trump, just in the last 24 hours, suggesting in a pretty thinly veiled way, using words that could well cause violence against republican leaders in the senate, saying he has a death wish, and then, you know, launching absolutely despicable, racist attacks against secretary chao, leader mcconnell's life. and then, you watch the fact that nobody in my party will say that is unacceptable. i mean, everybody ought to be asked whether or not that is acceptable. and everybody ought to be able to say no, that is not acceptable. >> she's right.

imagine where we would all be right now if more republicans were just willing to tell the truth. alex burns is here, cnn political analyst, and coauthor of this will not pass. also, cnn political analyst and talk show author, and former republican congressman, charlie dent. good evening. charlie, shaking your head in agreement, shaking your head in agreement. here is my why. you know, this is why i don't ask you. republicans get so upset, right? and trump apologies when you say, this is the party right now, right? but no one defense it, loudly and clearly. the majority of the party does not defend it. if you don't, isn't that your party? >> i'm afraid you may be right about this. look, for too long, too many had chosen silence -- >> they don't speak out about it. >> yeah, silence is a form of consent, and silence is not creating an alternative narrative.

that has always been the problem. there can be just a few people standing up there speaking the truth. a leader with no followers is just a guy taking a walk, and there are too many who are just taking a walk. we need critical mass. they've never had. and how hard it is to call out the violence. i mean, steve scalise was nearly killed. gap givens, i mean, these numbers, since i left, there were plenty of members now who had a security detail, capital sullied police security detail, protecting them when they're not around the capitol. so, to go out and say that mcconnell has a death wish, that is sending a signal. of course, the attack on his wife is just hideous, and that is very easy for anyone to condemn. this is a horrible thing. in so many ways, he's gone after muslims, he's gone after hispanics, he is gone after all sorts of people, you know, all sorts of racially and ethnically incendiary inflammatory comments. and this is just one more. >> i mean, offensive remarks. why aren't we hearing, shouldn't we hear something, chowchilla, calling elaine chao, chattel, coco chao?

what? why are we hearing a stronger course from the right? i understand we've been through the last seven years or so, i get it. but why? i gotta ask the question, why? >> we're not hearing basically any voices at all. we're not hearing any particularly strong solo performances denouncing trump on this. and really, very simple, right? they are scared of him. they're scared of his political impact in the political base. when you talk to members of, congress at least the ones who are relatively self aware, not all charlie dent level, but relatively where, they are up front that they find this kind of thing traumatizing. they don't see any drug personal benefit in saying that anything about it. while so many republican lawmakers, and certainly candidates in the current midterm campaign have not been to necessarily lock arms with donald trump when he saw something like this and not to condemn it, but just kind of

shrug it to the backdrop, and hope nobody asks it about that to directly. it is obviously a really painfully unconvincing political performance. >> and then, trying to generalize it into something. i mean, it's -- >> gonna say they are scared of him, but also, donald trump is doing what his followers sent him to do, right? they want him to say the things that other people are quote on quote afraid to say, or won't say anymore in the circle, politically correct environment. so -- >> he's going on to say, is that appropriate, cocoa chao? >> i believe it when they hear that, they will look and say, look, he isn't afraid. he's gonna state how he really is. he's calling out mitch mcconnell in a way that should have happened a long time ago. and they justify it, because, you know, this is about power. this is about maintaining power. but i really believe that as charlie said, this is just a long line of insults that have become so normalized that we almost don't even blink

anymore. i mean, people, went on twitter and express express their outrage. but i would be really surprised that donald trump said this. this is not the bottom for him. this is not the bottom. >> am i surprised? yeah. i'm surprised. i was like, how long before he says the n-word, publicly? that's my question. how long before he does that. if you can get away with saying coco chao for the top, mitch mcconnell is like the number one republican, isn't that right? he's the most supported republican in the country. john? >> absolutely. and to attack his wife like that, i mean, i just don't know why people -- >> this is why it's so infuriating. because an attack on one of us is an attack on assault assault us all. for someone to say that about an asian person, you must be outraged, if you are someone, right? who has a conscience. if someone says something doug watery about a woman, about a black person, about an asian

person, jewish person, then you have to have the same outrage, the same energy. and people don't have that energy. so, i, as a black person, i am infuriated that he would say something like that about an asian person. and this wasn't veiled. i've heard people say, you know, allegedly, what appears to be -- no, this was a racist attack. and we should all be speaking out. i think democrats should be speaking about that and saying this is wrong. i think you hear more democrats saying this is wrong than republicans. but do you think i'm wrong with that? >> of course not. i do think it's important to sort of contextualize this as well. elaine chao is a member of president trump's canned cabinet. what he said would be abhorrent even if she were not a public official. she's a member of his cabinet, and also, she was a member of his cabinet who resigned after january 6th. and what we know about former president trump is that he supports people into these categories, after the access hollywood, you are with me, or against me. on the day of january 6th, you are with me or against me, after january six, were you with me or against me? and this is part of what

republican elected elected officials into submission. it's also a part of donald trump's political base is shrinking. because he keeps on subjecting, not just republican officeholders and candidates, but ordinary republican, voters, to these increasingly outrageous subjects. and we've obviously seen that far too many people will go along with it, but it is a steadily shrinking community of people in this country who are totally comfortable with that. >> i'm gonna read you something where they say, we are against two, are we gonna get to that day? >> to alex's point, the base is shrinking. look, if you want to be just like donald trump. look at doug mastriano. look at him in pennsylvania. his base is shrinking. he's speaking to a very small sector of the electorate. he's going to lose, in a year, when actually are public and should win, walking away, he's gonna lose. because he's very narrow, nativist, kind of speaking to the ugliest element of the human spirit. and that's not what leaders should be doing. and that's what's happening. trump has always known that.

these are career ending comments, and they've been uttered by anyone else. if they marginalize steve king for making racial and incendiary comments, that is destroyed him politically. they should've done this to marjorie taylor greene and to the donald trump's. we couldn't have this problem right now, but they normalize it. >> there's no consequences. mcconnell had an opportunity to hold trump accountable, and he voted not to impeach him, because he wanted him to stay in power. and now, look who's coming for his life? >> yes. >> ridiculous! >> if he stays quiet about this, if he stays -- i just want to get this, because i think it's important as well. speaking about the danger level, and then, the killing. marjorie taylor greene said that democrats want republicans a dead, and they are already starting the killings. i mean, we already know this is dangerous rhetoric, charlie. what goes through your mind after hearing those remarks? >> i thought that was insane. why would anybody say something like that? knowing the threats against

sitting members of congress -- >> because it must be working, no? >> i guess it works for her. she's able to monetize her notoriety. this is what happens when they marginalized people. she should have never been welcomed into the house republican conference. she should have never been assigned a committee. and they should have defeated her at the primary. that's how she dealt with her. and instead of bringing her back, she's able to normalize it, and monetize it. and now, she raises gobs of money by making outrageous remarks like that. >> marjorie taylor greene was right behind mcconnell in the center stage, when he rolled out the gop's agenda, exactly on this front. so, she standing behind him. right? there it is, right there. she is standing right behind him. doesn't that mean she's part of the mainstream? >> she's in. listing it out of kinzinger are out. honorable people are pushed out, and bringing in people like her. >> alex, i want to talk about this audio that was released by maggie haberman. she is a book coming out. this interview with donald trump for a new book.

she asked about january 6th. take a listen. >> what were you doing when -- how did you find out that there were people storming the capitol? >> i had heard that afterwards, and actually, on the late side, i was having meetings. i was also with mark meadows and others. i was not watching television. i did not have the television. >> you weren't, okay. >> i didn't usually have that television on, and i had it on if there was something. ivan later turned it on, and i saw what was happening. i also had confidence that the capital who didn't want these 10,000 people -- >> a capitol police, you mean? >> to be able to control these things. and you don't realize that, you know, they did lose control. >> so, the law and order president blaming the police there for what happened. >> how could that be? as he rallied the crowd, right?

it's almost bible -- >> the president claiming this didn't happen. >> and let them to the capitol, but did not want that detail to be published by the way. there is some intent, behind that. >> we know stephanie grisham who was a former aide to the former president, she said he was watching the television on january six, watching it, even kind of smiling. does anybody believe that donald trump was not watching cable news on that day? >> of course not. his tv watching habits were something lied about again and again, as president. in the audio you heard with maggie, after leaving the presidency, he is sensitive about that clearly for some reason. but almost everything he said and that audio clip we just heard, it's either an obvious lie, or probably not the truth, right? it really does capture the essence of that moment -- >> what's the distinction there? an obvious liar -- >> an obvious liar, or sometimes like a fog machine, you know, not quite a reality.

and it does really capture the way he has dealt with january six overtime, right? first, he was silent. then, there was this pro denunciation, and he got further and further away from it. he created this increasingly farfetched mythology about what happened that day, who was responsible for it, obviously, not him. and that lie about these capitol police, congressional leaders, often talking about nancy pelosi and other elected officials on capitol hill, having letting their guard down, and running up on general six, to blame the victim there. it's obviously is a strategy to push away responsibility from herself as much as he could. >> considering everything we just talked about, when you talk about elaine chao, and all of this rhetoric, is it surprising -- it says more about the country, right? that there are people who would want someone like that who say some stuff like that to be the president. and people who imitate him, as well, little trump. >> you made a really powerful

point about someone does something to a member of the asian community, or the african-american community, we should all be outraged. but not everyone believes that we are truly part of the same community and the same fabric. there are a lot of people who believe that the country is worse for having diversity. so, even though we say this is who we are, deep down, there is this ugliness that persists. people who say, actually, no, you are not part of our community, where we say america. that's why they think they are the patriots, right? even as they tear democracy apart in the process. >> the republicans, if you don't want your party to be called racist, or bigoted, or whatever it is, then you've got to speak out against this stuff. otherwise, you get tarred by the same brush as with donald trump just said. thank you, appreciate it. he said he returned everything in the archives. he said the documents in the boxes at mar-a-lago were newspaper clippings, and we

know how that went out. now, the washington post is reporting, one of the former presidents own lawyers refused to back him up. more on that, next. and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. ♪ ♪ woah, surprised to see you here. how's your head? all good man. [vacuum cleaner] advil targets pain at the source. when pain comes for you, come back fast with advil liquid gels. sometimes you're so busy taking care of everyone else you don't do enough for yourself, or your mouth. but eventually, it will remind you. when it does, aspen dental is here for you. we offer the custom dental treatments you need, all under one roof, right nearby. so we can bring more life to your smile... and more smile to your life... affordably. new patients without insurance can get a free complete exam and x-rays, and 20 percent off treatment plans.

schedule your appointment today. because i trust their quality. they were the first to be verified by usp... ...an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the number one pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. >> tech: at safelite, we take care of vehicles with the latest technology. we can replace your windshield ...and recalibrate your safety system. >> customer: and they recycled my old glass. >> tech: don't wait. schedule today. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ before & bath fitter. now's the time to call bath fitter to get a beautiful "after." with our unique tub over tub process, there's no mess or stress. bath fitter. it just fits. visit bathfitter.com to book your free consultation. ♪ ♪

oh, davante adams! what's up, man? we need to talk about that lucky jersey. haven't washed it in years. multiple years? i don't see any stains. it's lucky. - it's dirty. - lucky. - dirty. - lucky. - dirty. - dirty. - lucky. - ha! maybe lucky? no. dirty. you know what to do. good luck out there! bro, no. listen. it's dirtier than it looks. it's got to be tide hygienic clean. now get $15 back when you spend $45 on tide and downy.

your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire >> we have a new development tonight. sources confirmed to cnn that

former president trump asked one of his lawyers, back in february, to tell the national archives that the documents they requested had been returned. that lawyer, alex cannon, refused, because he did not believe the statement was true. it turns out, thousands of additional documents, including some marked top secret, were later discovered at mar-a-lago. i want to discuss now with cnn legal analyst, elie honig. he is here. elie, good evening. yet another twist and turn in these document saga, alex cannon, trump's attorney, pressed to say all the material were returned to the national archives. but then, refused. it turns out, there was still thousand more documents at mar-a-lago. trump knew that, and then, if that is the case, what does that mean? >> this is crucial evidence of donald trump's knowledge and intent. and these are key things that prosecutors look for. let's play this out. donald trump says to his lawyer, hey, i want you to tell the archives that we have now returned everything to them. this is after they returned that initial batch of 15 or so boxes. that is false. we know that's false.

we know there were not just a few documents scattered around mar-a-lago, but thousands of documents left. and then, trump's lawyer responds by saying, i can't or i won't do that. now, the only reason a lawyer would say that is because the lawyer knows their respects. it's not true. lawyers cannot lie to investigators. so, at that point, donald trump certainly knows that his lawyer believes, this is a false statement. so, to me, this is important evidence that prosecutors ought to take a closer look at. >> we had a similar conversation, i believe, it was last week, when we talked about this lawyer who was sidelined for donald trump. and i said, maybe, they did not have a real rational argument to come up with. and you said, well, they could always come up with something. is that what we're seeing thing out here once again, a similar thing? >> it's more of the same, don. this is a waving red flag, anytime donald trump says something publicly, or ones to argue something in court, and his lawyer say, no can do. the reason is, yes, as we

discussed, lawyers have a very broad alert latitude and the kind of things they are allowed to argue. you have a duty to argue vigorously, as a lawyer, for your client. however, you cannot lie to a court, under court ethics rules. and you sure cannot lie to investigators, whether there from the archives, or the fbi, because that is a federal crime, to make a false statement to federal investigations, potentially, obstruction of justice, as well. so, anytime we see this pattern, don, you are right, it's a recurring pattern. trump refuses to say something publicly, then -- >> elie, this is fascinating, because the washington post is reporting that trump himself back the boxes that were returned in january. what are the implications of that? >> so, that's actually really important, because one of the questions is how do these boxes get from the white house down to mar-a-lago? and then, who sort of put them together for the piecemeal return that was made to the archives, and then, doj? and what this tells us is that donald trump, hey, he is a hands on guy, i guess.

he physically put together those 15 boxes, according to this reporting of documents. so, somebody, and if you followed this reporting, it would be donald trump. he said, okay, these 15 boxes, we are going to get back to the archives. well, inherent in that, it's not the rest of these documents, not the other documents that are gonna remain at mar-a-lago until the doj gets involved. so, again, that shows me some intentionality in the mind of donald trump, some conscious decision making, give them the documents, but not those. >> the post is also pointing out here that if trump continue to pressure that, that trump, i should say, if he continued to pressure aids to make false statements, even after the justice department was involved in retrieving documents, that could be seen as obstruction of justice. do you agree with that? if trump continued to pressure aids, that would be seen as obstruction of justice, he did speak to that? >> i do agree with that. if that reporting proves out, it is a crime to making a false statement yourself to investigators. it also is a crime, just the same, to pressure others to

make a false statement. that would be sort of an accessory to the fall statement, and also, if donald trump was aware that there was a thorough investigation going on, or that a federal investigation was fairly likely, then, there also could be obstruction of justice. keep in mind, don, these are very closely related, in some instances, the exact crimes the doj cited when they went to a judge to get that search warrant in august. so, it seems like doj is taking a long, thinking along these lines as well. >> elie honig, thank you, sir, appreciate it. >> thanks, don. >> just back from florida, right, on friday. i came back. the death toll now from hurricane ian, now at least 105 people. and questions are being raised over whether evacuation orders were issued early enough. ♪ i got into debt in college and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. so i consolidated it into a low-rate personal loan from sofi. get a personal loan with no fees, low fixed rates, and borrow up to $100k. sofi. get your money right. research shows that people remember ads with young people having a good time. so to help you remember

that liberty mutual customizes your home insurance, here's a pool party. look what i brought! liberty mutual! they customize your home insurance... so you only pay for what you need! ♪young people having a good time with insurance.♪ ♪young people.♪ ♪good times.♪ ♪insurance!♪ only pay for what you need. ♪liberty liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ hybrid work is here. it's there. it's everywhere. but for someone to be able to work from here, there has to be someone here making sure everything is safe. secure. consistent. so log in from here. or here. assured that someone is here ready to fix anything. anytime. anywhere. even here. that's because nobody... and i mean nobody... makes hybrid work, work better.

>> tech: at safelite, we take care of vehicles with the latest technology. we can replace your windshield ...and recalibrate your safety system. >> customer: and they recycled my old glass. >> tech: don't wait. schedule today. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪ [ coughing/sneezing ] [ door knocking ] dude, you coming? because the only thing dripping should be your style! plop plop fizz fizz, winter warriors with alka-seltzer plus cold & flu relief.

you might have heard of carvana and that we sell cars online. we believe buying a car should be something that gets you hyped up. and that your new car ought to come with newfound happiness and zero surprises. and all of us will stop at nothing to drive you happy. we'll drive you happy at carvana.

>> hurricane ian's destructive path through florida has now claimed at least 101 lives. tonight, there are growing questions whether more lives could've been saved if evacuation orders were issued earlier especially in hard hit lee county. >> when that evacuation order came, 24 hours, that's not a lot. but you know, what kind of make it. and it wasn't until wednesday morning when we woke up and saw the had made another adjustment, at that point, it was just too late. >> joining me now by phone is dana ferguson. she rode out the hurricane and fort myers. dana, thank you so much. i appreciate it. we're glad you're okay. you are at work the last day that -- well, actually the day they sent the evacuation notice.

you didn't get home till 6:30. what we are options at that point? >> well, i told my husband by the time 8:00 rolled around, i was like, oh, so -- no one is allowed on the street. we have about an hour and a half to go somewhere. well, i guess we're just, gonna and upstate in here. >> so, at this point, you didn't think it was going to -- obviously, be as bad as it was. but it wasn't even gonna come as close to you? >> yeah. there was so much confusion as to where i was gonna go. and so, what me and my husband did, you know, we kind of just, you know, i don't know, just kind of prepared ourselves. i mean, it is hurricane season, so we need to have our generators up and running, and a lot of water, and make sure our kids had food, and they said that there was that

possible storm surge, so we made sure the kids had their life jackets just in case. i have never seen a storm surge in fort myers ever, my entire life. so watching the water come in our house was unbelievable. >> i'm sure. listen. the question everyone home asking is why did you leave? why did you not leave? would you have left sooner if you have been notified earlier? >> i believe we would have evacuated, if we would have known sooner. >> dana, thank you. i'm glad you're okay. all right? >> thank you. >> i appreciate it. i wanna bring in juliette kayyem, cnn national security analyst. she's the author of the devil never sleeps: learning to live in the age of disaster. julia, thank you so much. you just heard from dana. riding out the storm, the hurricane in fort myers. hindsight is always easier.

should officials have warned residents sooner, in these hard-hit areas like lee county? >> i think so. and i'm one of the last people to do monday morning quarterbacking, so to speak. i've been in a room with these calculations are being made, whether it's a snowstorm and calling a school day, where evacuation when you basically looking at modeling that's difficult. you're weighing the risk of an evacuation. they come with some risks. also, if you do it too much and there's no storms, people won't do it if there's a real storm. i want to raise the counter. in this case, looking at the totality of the facts -- we knew a couple things. the model was getting better and getting closer to them, so they definitely had some time. surrounding jurisdictions had some effect -- so you kind of wonder, what are they looking at, would you second guess yourself looking around you? but third, and their own emergency management planning has a trigger point for evacuation. that trigger point had already

been met, even by, say, the least risky modeling. and they should have called it, so, in some ways, they put a judgment over a plan that probably would have been exceptionally, was exceptionally thorough and sophisticated. i don't see the point in the governor, defending this at this stage. we have to learn and see what they were thinking, and determining, just because we all know there's gonna be more hurricanes. we have to figure out whether these planning and training's are good to get people to make these decisions sooner. >> look, no matter how much you see this destruction, juliet, i'm sure you can attest to this. it's unbelievable. you just can't believe this. >> unbelievable! >> as we are watching these boats just sort of strewn about. is that part of the problem, though? these hurricanes change so much that a lot of people don't believe that this is really going to hit? >> right. i mean, we are still talking in terms of, once in a lifetime hurricane. and you know, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to simply

just be a scientist and look at the data. we are looking now at likely, i'm looking at these numbers now. this is what i do. and just in terms of what we're seeing now, this could be half a trillion dollar disaster. you can't survive -- i mean, you can't get the economy moving when you are under that weight. those numbers come from the fact that it's gonna be hard to get people to live there. it's gonna be harder to get insurance, and that has nothing to do with disaster relief. so, we need to find a more strategic way that we are thinking about these areas, in terms of how we ensure, how we protect the uninsured, where people live, how we build, and whether we build more resilient. all of these questions are, they have to be asked now. i don't know if anyone has the exact answer, and we have to work with the communities there. but the idea that our disaster relief money is just gonna go out there, with no conditions that people learn, communities learn, mayors and governors learn, to build a better, it seems like a perfect waste of

money because i know one thing, there's gonna be more hurricanes, right? >> yeah. do expect, sadly, the death toll to rise, in more areas? >> yes, i do. we are sort of far enough away that i'm not anticipating any surprises. i don't think there's going to be 100 people found that we don't know. there is enough connectivity that we certainly know what these numbers look like. but there's two types of deaths where we're looking at isolated people, or communities that were already abandoned whose bodies might be found, so getting it into the ones and twos. and then the others, which we talked about last week, the accidental deaths, or the deaths that are occurring, not in the hurricane, but because of the hurricane. if someone has a trauma, someone can't get access to medicine they want, either some deprivation of food or water, that's why you are seeing this massive surge of just essential services at this stage, just to head off any of those later deaths that occur, that would

not have occurred had not been for the hurricane. so, those are the numbers we try to get. you have to keep those lower as well. >> juliet, thank you. really appreciate it. >> thank you, and thank you for covering the recovery. because everyone thinks it's over, it's not over. >> yeah, i agree, thank you so much, juliet. ukraine is making more gains against russia in territory that russia has claimed as its own. what is putin's next move? fareed zakaria is here in studio to talk about it, next. there you are! >> they asked me to come up right now. >> so good to see you. cidin is the #1 doctor recommended cold and flu brand. specially designed for people with high blood pressure. be there for life's best moments. trust coricidin.

before & bath fitter. now's the time to call bath fitter to get a beautiful "after." with our unique tub over tub process, there's no mess or stress. bath fitter. it just fits. visit bathfitter.com to book your free consultation. ♪ ♪ all across the country, people are working hard to build a better future. so we're hard at work, helping them achieve financial freedom. we're providing greater access to investing, with low-cost options to help maximize savings.

from the plains to the coasts, we help americans invest for their future. and help communities thrive. (vo) at viking, we are proud to have been named the world's number one for both rivers and oceans by travel and leisure, as well as condé nast traveler. but it is now time for us to work even harder, searching for meaningful experiences and new adventures for you to embark upon. they say when you reach the top, there's only one way to go. we say, that way is onwards. viking. exploring the world in comfort. if you have this... consider adding this. an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan from unitedhealthcare. medicare supplement plans help by paying some of what medicare doesn't...

and let you see any doctor. any specialist. anywhere in the u.s. who accepts medicare patients. so if you have this... consider adding this. call unitedhealthcare today for your free decision guide. ♪ after my car accident, wondnder whahatmy c cas. so i called the barnes firm. i'm rich barnes. youour cidedentase e woh than insurance offered? call the barnes firm now to find out. yoyou ght t beurprpris

ci had no idea how muchw i wamy case was worth. c call the barnes firm to find out what your case could be worth. we will help get you the best result possible. ♪ call one eight hundred, eight million ♪ >> ukrainian forces are making further gains in the south, pushing towards the occupied city of kherson. that's just days after ukraine pushed the russian military from the strategic city of lyman. this comes as we're learning

the u.s. is considering how to respond to a possible escalation from russians, including the potential use of tactical nuclear weapons. fareed zakaria, the host of fareed zakaria gps joins me now. good to see you. >> leisure, in person. >> in person, that's great. listen, so, russia is trying to make their territorial claim, but clearly, they are facing these major setbacks in the conflict. i'm gonna roll this video, because you can see, fareed, the ukrainian troops driving through the nearly reclaimed lyman. how do you see the sham referendum playing out on the battlefield? >> it's looking like a disaster now. lyman strategically very important. it's a key logistical hub. the fact that they've got it makes it much easier for the ukrainians to keep moving in the east. kherson is where the heart of the battle is. if they win in kherson, and they're moving forward every hour, they've gained 20 or 30 miles. that some islands like a small amount, but it's a lot. it takes a lot of 20 or 30 miles. kherson is the heart of the battle. if they start moving through the russian position south, and means ukraine will be a viable

country no matter what happens afterward. because they get back to the coast. it becomes impossible for the russians to take odesa, or or it becomes a very very difficult. so it's almost like a pincer movement. this is very very important. this is probably, we are witnessing the turning point of the war. if the kherson advances continue, because if they ukrainians, keep moving, they are essentially driving the russians out of the most important games they have made in 2022. there's a whole bunch of stuff they did in 2014 and 2015, which is a separate issue. but off the stuff they took this year, kherson, this area, it's the most important in the south. it's what blocked access to the sea. it's why the ukrainians could not export their grain, export food, so, if they are able to continue to do this, it's huge.

and as you say, putin says he has annexed territories, but his spokesman says, we don't know exactly how much we have annexed. we have to have discussions with the that pop it rulers of those regions. one of those puppet rulers, the rule of chechnya -- so they have to find somebody else to have a conversation. >> so, what's going on with him? where is he? because if he does not have an understanding of what's going on, right? and he is the guy at the top, right? he is the puppet master there, does anyone really have an understanding of what's going on? >> you would have to imagine what's happening here. it's highly centralized power structure anyway. you know, those kinds of highly dictatorial, highly centralized power structures, bad news does not go up. who's the person who wants to go to putin and say, your idea, to invade or to take kyiv was a bad idea. your idea to do this, these were all bad ideas, so that's not what he's hearing. he's hearing probably the most sugar coated version of all this. but at the end of the day, the

thing about, you know, wars, if you are losing territory, it's very hard to sugarcoat that. so, to add to the last question, he's been ratcheting up the sort of nuclear saber rattling, with these tactical nuclear weapons, and sources briefed on the most recent intelligence tine cnn they've been developing contingency plans in the u.s.. the u.s. is taking this very seriously. >> oh, the u.s. has to take it very seriously. russia's 2000 tactically likelier weapons. putin has twice now said he will defend this land using any means possible. so the biden administration is taking it very seriously, and i'm sure they are developing a specific responses. i haven't talked to them about the specific thing, so i don't want people to think, oh, this is some kind of -- looking at what the biden administration is going to do. but my sense, based on previous

discussions with senior officials about what to do -- because most likely the united states would not respond to a technical nuclear strike by the russians within nuclear strike of its own. the ideas, they may be irresponsible, we are not going to behave irresponsibly. >> what they would do would be a massive conventional response. so the u.s. could, just to give you an example, it could do an air bombardment campaign, which would essentially destroy every russian military position in ukraine. effectively ending the war. the ukrainian troops with then walk into those positions. so, if it were decided that it was serious enough, the u.s. has that capacity, i don't think the russians will be able to stop it, the u.s. has much bigger and better air capacity, but they wouldn't use nuclear weapons. >> listen, we just talked about it, but i think it's important here, this is for mercy i a

director david petraeus when he was asked about how the u.s. would respond. we were talked about, it but let's hear it. >> just give you a hypothetical. we would respond by leading a nato, a collective effort that would take out any rushing conventional force we can see and identify on the battlefield in ukraine, and also in crimea. >> that's what you said, but remember this would be a brutal plan. i think it's important to talk about 50,000 russian troops. -- last week on my program, lloyd austin, the secretary of defense, indicated that he had commuted today gated to his russian counterpart, the nature of the response, and probably not the specifics of it. so i think the russians are aware, my own senses, look, we've all gotten putin wrong,

but right now i think lloyd austin said this, which i think is correct, he's going to try this mobilization first. it's been a very politically painful thing, it's been very popular in russia. remember, none of them are out there yet, so first is gonna try that. he's gonna see -- this is why the ukrainians are going to have to keep pressing forward, because the russians are going to try to take back the ground they're losing using these new troops. so the ukrainians have to keep pushing forward, but i think they have a fundamental strategic advantage, it's their country. which, means when you have a conquering army coming in, the conquering army has to keep lots of troops in all the cities it takes, because it is holding the cities against the will of the people. when deliberating army comes in, it doesn't need to do as much of that, because the people are securing the city for them. we saw this in world war ii, when they're not cities were taking -- they had to use huge numbers of troops to hold them.

the allies didn't. -- it does, theoretically, if russia did more conscription, big country, 150 million people. they have 300,000 called out now, they can call up another. >> if there are more organized? >> the whole thing -- the incompetence here, part of what we're seeing here is that russia, kissinger said this, russia is a military power, its reputation has suffered a devastating role. what was russia's claim to power? oil and guns. well, what we're seeing is that the russian military is just not that good, so i tell my friends in india, the indian military has fought for long decades, has bought all its advanced military equipment from the russians. are you watching how that's not his performance on the battlefield? are you really willing to do this. i predict in the next 15 years the indian military will start

buying a lot of french, american, and british -- this is been a devastating blow to the russians. the military equipment doesn't function, the men don't want to fight, there are soldiers want to fight. it's a disaster, but that is why your question about the nuclear weapons is so relevant, because putin is not going to sit still, he's going to fight back. my guess, is he will first try to take out ukraine's energy infrastructure, and bomb the power plants, and put those cities into darkness in the winter. so this may be a very tough period for those ukrainians, they're gonna be without heat, they're gonna be without light, but they will fight. >> always a pleasure, make us all smarter, especially when you sit here to talk to me. thank you, fareed. so, she is one of the most high-profile celebrities and influencers in the world. now, a kardashian is facing it i have to find over an instagram post. we'll explain, next.

and only 24-hour steroid free spray. while other allergy sprays take hours astepro starts working in 30 minutes. so you can... astepro and go. you love closing a deal. but hate managing your business from afar. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire all across the country, people are working hard to build a better future. so we're hard at work helping them achieve financial freedom. we're proud to serve people everywhere, in investing for the retirement they envision. from the plains to the coasts, we help americans invest for their future. and help communities thrive.

>> tech: at safelite, we take care of vehicles with the latest technology. we can replace your windshield ...and recalibrate your safety system. >> customer: and they recycled my old glass. >> tech: don't wait. schedule today. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

kim kardashian shares a lot with her 331 million instagram followers. tonight, she is notably silent about her legal troubles. the reality tv star was charged by the mixture -- she was paid $250,000 for the post. she added a hashtag ad, but the fcc says that's not enough to comply with laws around touting investments. kardashian agreed to pay nearly one point $3 million to settle. she is also promoting -- she is also promising to cooperate with the sec's ongoing investigation, and can't promote any crypto securities for three years. it's a steep fine, but according to forbes, kardashians estimate and net worth is at 1.8 billion dollars. new developments in the mar-a-lago documents scandal, sources telling cnn that

trump's lawyers refuse the former presidents request in february to tell the national archives, that all documents were returned. what it means for the investigation, next. call bath fitter to get a beautiful "after." with our unique tub over tub process, there's no mess or stress. bath fitter. it just fits. visit bathfitter.com to book your free consultation. ♪ ♪ ♪ my relationship with my credit cards wasn't good. i got into debt in college and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. between the high interest, the fees...

i felt trapped. debt, debt, debt. so i broke up with my credit card debt and consolidated it into a low-rate personal loan from sofi. i finally feel like a grown-up. break up with bad credit card debt. get a personal loan with no fees, low fixed rates, and borrow up to $100k. go to sofi.com to view your rate. sofi. get your money right. ♪ because i trust their quality. they were the first to be verified by usp... ...an independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards. nature made. the number one pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand.

making time for the dentist isn't easy. but when your mouth says it's time, you listen. so do we. aspen dental was built around your life. so come on in, no matter how long it's been. we're not just on your corner... we're in your corner. with smarter, more affordable care. that'll bring more life to your smile... and more smile to your life.